Guest guest Posted April 4, 2006 Report Share Posted April 4, 2006 dear prashant ji from your mails i could see you having decades of astrological experience in the traditional ways. one good thing noticed in this thread is that basic etiquettes are exhibited by ALL members with a sambodhana. any mail without a sambodhana smacks arrogance on part of the writer and it does not warant a response. in a public group some "sabha maryada" needs to be followed. in private chatrooms these etiquettes are not followed. it is worth noting that all members knowing these basic etiquettes always address mails with proper sambodhana while writing to members or querents alike. be it this group or any other group, even the owners and moderators of the groups and all learnt astrologers have been following this basic decency in all their mails. as you correctly observed not all mars+venus or even sun+venus combinations spoil the character of a girl. be it this or manglik dosha or several other doshas, in many cases (not all cases) they are all saved by the benign aspect or conjunction of jupiter. if a person is childess, there are 1001 reasons including curses from various quarters where jupiter is not in the picture. analysis of charts of childless people is different to jupiter's respect as the most benefic planet in the solar system. unfortunately the original thread of debating on this status of jupiter has now been turned into discussion of childlessness that too caused by jupiter. putra karaka jupiter was described best in ALL SCRIPTURES and what we are all quoting is only a fraction of what has been described in these scriptures. i am worried the day is not far when researches paint this "PUTRAKARAKA" AS "PUTRANASHAKA". may jupiter's benign divine light shine on all members. with best wishes arjun , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: > > Guru-Bashing in 5th > The right path to research is give full details like birth details of the wife as well, dates like married on, miscarriage/s, anyone or two other events in their life with a date. Without more data to work on can limit myself to this much. > > > 17th march 1972, 17.20. Delhi, > > Well there has to be appropriate time for any event to happen, dasha, transit support and also other factors w.r.t 5th house, karaka etc. > > > > Here I see him having a child between 12-6-06 and 12-10-07, the delivery can be when JUPT is transiting JUPT and in trine to Natal Moon, and Venus in whose start JUPT is. > > > 28th april 1972, 15.00, Delhi > > It is so obvious there will be miscarriages here, Mars aspecting by 8th aspect the 5th house and its lord, karaka Jupiter. > > In Bhava Rahu+Guru r there together, I am sure many works will support the same reading. > > > 8th July 1974, 13.20, Delhi > > HERE IT IS SO OBVIOUS > > Here it is Tula Lagna and Guru in 3rd? and Guru takes the cross! > > The 5th lord Satn in 8th with 8th lord > 5th house aspected by sani from the 8th house > and Mars from 10th house by 8th aspect. > I also feel inspite of the hard way children have come to this man his marriage is likely to end between 8-6-7 to 6-2-10, thes eeds can be sown between 2/7/06 to 8-6-7. > I assume this man is an electronic, electrical engineer.or working in such places. > > > AND GURU ALONE IS THE CULPRIT NONE OF THE other points? Even a partial acknowledgement that other factors r there and yet it is in the basket of Guru's malefic nature. > > I HAVE NOT SAID RESEARCH IS NOT GOOD, I SAY IN THE NAME OF RESEARCH ALL WILD THINKING MUST NOT GET SUJBECT IN DISARRAY. > > PLEASE LOOK AT ROBERT HAUCK'S ASTROLOGY OF DEATH, the way he has done research, like wise CEO Carter, we need research like the westerners do a comprehensive look at a chart no piecemeal effort. > > I remember in ICAS Group discussions people in back benches talking about a women's chart if Mars+Venus was there "why does she need marriage….! (impish laughs)" when anxious parents wanted to know when their daughter will get married. Is this research are all Mars+venus women whores? > RESEARCH FOR RESEARCH SAKE IS AS BLIND AS SUPERSTITIONS ARE, IT MUUT BE OPEN AND FRANK ON ALL ASPECTS. > RESEARCH MUST BE COMPREHENSIVE IN ALL ASPECTS ALL HOUSES, LORDS SHIPS YOGAS, GOCHARA, STRENGHTS ETC. IN SOME DETAIL and the point emphasized in any research head must be highlighted. > MR. A V Sundaram of Madras IIT did some research on infidelity in various walks of life including IIT and brought his wife along to the discussion too just in case people doubted his work, that he was also a pervert that is how he came to know some close details of others. > > I would welcome readers to write on this if my view of research is not fair. > > > Prashant > > > astrologerashutosh <astrologerashutosh wrote: > Dear Tatvam and all, > I am giving some birth details of men where jupiter in fifth house has caused child-birth related problems. > > 1. 17th march 1972, 17.20. Delhi, > > Married since last four years, no kids despite best efforts. Notice jupiter in its own sign. > > 2. 28th april 1972, 15.00, Delhi, > > Married since last ten years, first son born after two miscarriages, second son born after two miscarriages again. Jupiter in own sign in fifth. > > 3. 8th July 1974, 13.20, Delhi, > > First conception ended up in miscarriage, second one ended when the embryo mysteriously dissolved into the uterus. The third conception, done under astrological guidance, was successfull last year. The child, a boy, is healthy. > > This last case has similarities with Abhiram Mishra's case. Even the horoscopes have some similarities. I have many other such cases in my database. Whatever statement I give is based upon my experiences and observations in my daily practice as an astrologer. > > > Of course, there are other factors responsible along with the jupiter in fifth, like the position of planets in other vargas, the fifth lord's placement, etc. But, all the so called blind beliefs in jupiter's beneficience have been proven wrong. > Regards, > > Ashutosh > > > - > Tatvamasi > > Monday, 03 April, 2006 20:59 > Re: Having Guru in the 5th house....Sad commentry > > > Friends, > I found some sly remarks by a member about researchers of today. > Please remember that everything which is written is not always right and everything that present day people research is not wrong. > > When I say Bhava Nasha Karo Jeeva, it also means a father having Guru in 5th bhava might have a son but it is possible that he would never get along well or stay away from son/vice versa. > I would sight an example, > Male > DOB: 12th June 1949 , at 14.00 hrs, Sholapur. > He has a son and two daughters. > He cannot see eye to eye with son and a daughter. Son has lived away from him since last six years . > > Thus Guru plays a role here in different capacity. > > I wish people tread all that I have to post before branding terms in astrology. > > Tatvam-Asi > > astrologerashutosh <astrologerashutosh wrote: > Dear K.Gopu, > > Guru in fifth house is only one of the several factors which can give child-birth related problems. We are looking for astrological explanations here. The bio-medical reasons are known to all. > > Scepticism is okay, but one should also keep in mind the whole purpose of the discussions. This is an astrological group, remember?!! > > > Ashutosh > > - > K Gopu > > Monday, 03 April, 2006 16:40 > Re: Having Guru in the 5th house > > > dear ashutosh ji, > I fail to understand as to why only guru in 5th should cause noprogeny? 5th house if it is afflicted may lead to delayed or no progeny. today in our country IVF(in vitro fertilisation) clinics/hoslitals are increasing. > People who go to these clinics, will there 5th house be badly afflicted, it has to be studied. and in case of Sri abhiram mishra, if the fifth house is strong in his wife's chart then definitely she can give birth to a child. Unexplainable miscarriages are rejection of the paternal cells by the mother, this is based on immunorejection theory. this is one of the reason they say for which some degree of successful treatment is > available. > Undoubtedly adopting a child is a very noble > proposition. > > my good wishes to shri abhiram mishra to be blessed > with a child. > k.gopu > > > Prashant > > > Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2006 Report Share Posted April 4, 2006 Dear Freinds, I have read this thread with interest.It assures persons like me to believe that there is great future for research oriented studies.I am happy to note that oversimplification and dogmas would not cloud the vision and due weight shall be given to relativity of different kinds like shadabala,asthakvarga, yogas,different vargas, afflictions etc.recognised by our great seers. Jupiter in 5th would be in 360 degrees;in one rasi alone in 60 shastiamsa,9Navamsa,7Saptamamsa, in Pushkar Amsa, Pushkar Navamsa,and Mrtubhagas. Naturally Jupiterin 5th in Capricorn would not give similar result as Jupiter in Cancer, Dhanu or Meena. Nor the results would be the same,if Jupiter is Kshaar Saptamamsa as it is expected in Khseer, Aajya and,Dadhi saptamasa. One should not try to generalise results of Mars - Venus Combinations to prnounce judgements on anybody's character, without considering its multidimensional relative position, alongwith Atmabal and Manobala. With best wishes, Jyotishbandhu --- panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote: > dear prashant ji > > from your mails i could see you having decades of > astrological > experience in the traditional ways. one good thing > noticed in this > thread is that basic etiquettes are exhibited by ALL > members with a > sambodhana. any mail without a sambodhana smacks > arrogance on part > of the writer and it does not warant a response. in > a public group > some "sabha maryada" needs to be followed. in > private chatrooms > these etiquettes are not followed. it is worth > noting that all > members knowing these basic etiquettes always > address mails with > proper sambodhana while writing to members or > querents alike. be it > this group or any other group, even the owners and > moderators of the > groups and all learnt astrologers have been > following this basic > decency in all their mails. > > as you correctly observed not all mars+venus or even > sun+venus > combinations spoil the character of a girl. be it > this or manglik > dosha or several other doshas, in many cases (not > all cases) they > are all saved by the benign aspect or conjunction of > jupiter. > > if a person is childess, there are 1001 reasons > including curses > from various quarters where jupiter is not in the > picture. analysis > of charts of childless people is different to > jupiter's respect as > the most benefic planet in the solar system. > unfortunately the > original thread of debating on this status of > jupiter has now been > turned into discussion of childlessness that too > caused by jupiter. > > putra karaka jupiter was described best in ALL > SCRIPTURES and what > we are all quoting is only a fraction of what has > been described in > these scriptures. i am worried the day is not far > when researches > paint this "PUTRAKARAKA" AS "PUTRANASHAKA". > > may jupiter's benign divine light shine on all > members. > > with best wishes > arjun > > , Prashant > Kumar G B > <gbp_kumar wrote: > > > > Guru-Bashing in 5th > > The right path to research is give full > details like > birth details of the wife as well, dates like > married on, > miscarriage/s, anyone or two other events in their > life with a > date. Without more data to work on can limit myself > to this much. > > > > > > 17th march 1972, 17.20. Delhi, > > > > Well there has to be appropriate time for any > event to happen, > dasha, transit support and also other factors w.r.t > 5th house, > karaka etc. > > > > > > > > Here I see him having a child between 12-6-06 > and 12-10-07, the > delivery can be when JUPT is transiting JUPT and in > trine to Natal > Moon, and Venus in whose start JUPT is. > > > > > > 28th april 1972, 15.00, Delhi > > > > It is so obvious there will be miscarriages > here, Mars > aspecting by 8th aspect the 5th house and its lord, > karaka Jupiter. > > > > In Bhava Rahu+Guru r there together, I am > sure many works > will support the same reading. > > > > > > 8th July 1974, 13.20, Delhi > > > > HERE IT IS SO OBVIOUS > > > > Here it is Tula Lagna and Guru in 3rd? and > Guru takes the > cross! > > > > The 5th lord Satn in 8th with 8th lord > > 5th house aspected by sani from the 8th > house > > and Mars from 10th house by 8th aspect. > > I also feel inspite of the hard way > children have come to > this man his marriage is likely to end between > 8-6-7 to 6-2-10, > thes eeds can be sown between 2/7/06 to 8-6-7. > > I assume this man is an electronic, > electrical engineer.or > working in such places. > > > > > > AND GURU ALONE IS THE CULPRIT NONE OF THE > other points? > Even a partial acknowledgement that other factors r > there and yet > it is in the basket of Guru's malefic nature. > > > > I HAVE NOT SAID RESEARCH IS NOT GOOD, I SAY > IN THE NAME OF > RESEARCH ALL WILD THINKING MUST NOT GET SUJBECT IN > DISARRAY. > > > > PLEASE LOOK AT ROBERT HAUCK'S ASTROLOGY OF > DEATH, the way > he has done research, like wise CEO Carter, we need > research like > the westerners do a comprehensive look at a chart > no piecemeal > effort. > > > > I remember in ICAS Group discussions people > in back benches > talking about a women's chart if Mars+Venus was > there "why does she > need marriage….! (impish laughs)" when anxious > parents wanted to > know when their daughter will get married. Is this > research are all > Mars+venus women whores? > > RESEARCH FOR RESEARCH SAKE IS AS BLIND AS > SUPERSTITIONS > ARE, IT MUUT BE OPEN AND FRANK ON ALL ASPECTS. > > RESEARCH MUST BE COMPREHENSIVE IN ALL > ASPECTS ALL HOUSES, > LORDS SHIPS YOGAS, GOCHARA, STRENGHTS ETC. IN SOME > DETAIL and the > point emphasized in any research head must be > highlighted. > > MR. A V Sundaram of Madras IIT did some > research on > infidelity in various walks of life including IIT > and brought his > wife along to the discussion too just in case > people doubted his > work, that he was also a pervert that is how he came > to know some > close details of others. > > > > I would welcome readers to write on this if > my view of > research is not fair. > > > > > > Prashant > > > > > > astrologerashutosh <astrologerashutosh wrote: > > > Dear Tatvam and all, > > I am giving some birth details of men where > jupiter in fifth house > has caused child-birth related problems. > > > > 1. 17th march 1972, 17.20. Delhi, > > > > Married since last four years, no kids despite > best efforts. > Notice jupiter in its own sign. > > > > 2. 28th april 1972, 15.00, Delhi, > > > > Married since last ten years, first son born after > two > miscarriages, second son born after two miscarriages > again. === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2006 Report Share Posted April 4, 2006 dear friend jyotishbandhu it is true that, for micro level analysis of "what" a chart predicts, other than the lagna chart, divisional charts, shadbala, ashtakavarga and various yogas formed are reckoned. to predict "when" or timing of the events, dasa systems and gochara is reckoned. however, lagna chart alone gives "marco" level overview of the native. lalkitab has only one chart and yet its predictions based on this lone chart (akin to lagna chart in vedic) are incredibly true. for predicting any negative trait like mars-venus, any astrologer shall do micro level reading to see whether such negative traits would indeed happen, or like potential opportunities or only tendencies and inclinations. with best wishes arjun , Kapoor Shankar <jyotishbandhu wrote: > > Dear Freinds, > > I have read this thread with interest.It assures > persons like me to believe that there is great future > for research oriented studies.I am happy to note that > oversimplification and dogmas would not cloud the > vision and due weight shall be given to relativity of > different kinds like shadabala,asthakvarga, > yogas,different vargas, afflictions etc.recognised by > our great seers. > > Jupiter in 5th would be in 360 degrees;in one rasi > alone in 60 shastiamsa,9Navamsa,7Saptamamsa, in > Pushkar Amsa, Pushkar Navamsa,and Mrtubhagas. > Naturally Jupiterin 5th in Capricorn would not give > similar result as Jupiter in Cancer, Dhanu or Meena. > Nor the results would be the same,if Jupiter is Kshaar > Saptamamsa as it is expected in Khseer, Aajya > and,Dadhi saptamasa. > > One should not try to generalise results of Mars - > Venus Combinations to prnounce judgements on anybody's > character, without considering its multidimensional > relative position, alongwith Atmabal and Manobala. > > With best wishes, > > Jyotishbandhu > --- panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote: > > > dear prashant ji > > > > from your mails i could see you having decades of > > astrological > > experience in the traditional ways. one good thing > > noticed in this > > thread is that basic etiquettes are exhibited by ALL > > members with a > > sambodhana. any mail without a sambodhana smacks > > arrogance on part > > of the writer and it does not warant a response. in > > a public group > > some "sabha maryada" needs to be followed. in > > private chatrooms > > these etiquettes are not followed. it is worth > > noting that all > > members knowing these basic etiquettes always > > address mails with > > proper sambodhana while writing to members or > > querents alike. be it > > this group or any other group, even the owners and > > moderators of the > > groups and all learnt astrologers have been > > following this basic > > decency in all their mails. > > > > as you correctly observed not all mars+venus or even > > sun+venus > > combinations spoil the character of a girl. be it > > this or manglik > > dosha or several other doshas, in many cases (not > > all cases) they > > are all saved by the benign aspect or conjunction of > > jupiter. > > > > if a person is childess, there are 1001 reasons > > including curses > > from various quarters where jupiter is not in the > > picture. analysis > > of charts of childless people is different to > > jupiter's respect as > > the most benefic planet in the solar system. > > unfortunately the > > original thread of debating on this status of > > jupiter has now been > > turned into discussion of childlessness that too > > caused by jupiter. > > > > putra karaka jupiter was described best in ALL > > SCRIPTURES and what > > we are all quoting is only a fraction of what has > > been described in > > these scriptures. i am worried the day is not far > > when researches > > paint this "PUTRAKARAKA" AS "PUTRANASHAKA". > > > > may jupiter's benign divine light shine on all > > members. > > > > with best wishes > > arjun > > > > , Prashant > > Kumar G B > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > Guru-Bashing in 5th > > > The right path to research is give full > > details like > > birth details of the wife as well, dates like > > married on, > > miscarriage/s, anyone or two other events in their > > life with a > > date. Without more data to work on can limit myself > > to this much. > > > > > > > > > 17th march 1972, 17.20. Delhi, > > > > > > Well there has to be appropriate time for any > > event to happen, > > dasha, transit support and also other factors w.r.t > > 5th house, > > karaka etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > Here I see him having a child between 12-6-06 > > and 12-10-07, the > > delivery can be when JUPT is transiting JUPT and in > > trine to Natal > > Moon, and Venus in whose start JUPT is. > > > > > > > > > 28th april 1972, 15.00, Delhi > > > > > > It is so obvious there will be miscarriages > > here, Mars > > aspecting by 8th aspect the 5th house and its lord, > > karaka Jupiter. > > > > > > In Bhava Rahu+Guru r there together, I am > > sure many works > > will support the same reading. > > > > > > > > > 8th July 1974, 13.20, Delhi > > > > > > HERE IT IS SO OBVIOUS > > > > > > Here it is Tula Lagna and Guru in 3rd? and > > Guru takes the > > cross! > > > > > > The 5th lord Satn in 8th with 8th lord > > > 5th house aspected by sani from the 8th > > house > > > and Mars from 10th house by 8th aspect. > > > I also feel inspite of the hard way > > children have come to > > this man his marriage is likely to end between > > 8-6-7 to 6-2-10, > > thes eeds can be sown between 2/7/06 to 8-6-7. > > > I assume this man is an electronic, > > electrical engineer.or > > working in such places. > > > > > > > > > AND GURU ALONE IS THE CULPRIT NONE OF THE > > other points? > > Even a partial acknowledgement that other factors r > > there and yet > > it is in the basket of Guru's malefic nature. > > > > > > I HAVE NOT SAID RESEARCH IS NOT GOOD, I SAY > > IN THE NAME OF > > RESEARCH ALL WILD THINKING MUST NOT GET SUJBECT IN > > DISARRAY. > > > > > > PLEASE LOOK AT ROBERT HAUCK'S ASTROLOGY OF > > DEATH, the way > > he has done research, like wise CEO Carter, we need > > research like > > the westerners do a comprehensive look at a chart > > no piecemeal > > effort. > > > > > > I remember in ICAS Group discussions people > > in back benches > > talking about a women's chart if Mars+Venus was > > there "why does she > > need marriage….! (impish laughs)" when anxious > > parents wanted to > > know when their daughter will get married. Is this > > research are all > > Mars+venus women whores? > > > RESEARCH FOR RESEARCH SAKE IS AS BLIND AS > > SUPERSTITIONS > > ARE, IT MUUT BE OPEN AND FRANK ON ALL ASPECTS. > > > RESEARCH MUST BE COMPREHENSIVE IN ALL > > ASPECTS ALL HOUSES, > > LORDS SHIPS YOGAS, GOCHARA, STRENGHTS ETC. IN SOME > > DETAIL and the > > point emphasized in any research head must be > > highlighted. > > > MR. A V Sundaram of Madras IIT did some > > research on > > infidelity in various walks of life including IIT > > and brought his > > wife along to the discussion too just in case > > people doubted his > > work, that he was also a pervert that is how he came > > to know some > > close details of others. > > > > > > I would welcome readers to write on this if > > my view of > > research is not fair. > > > > > > > > > Prashant > > > > > > > > > astrologerashutosh <astrologerashutosh@> wrote: > > > > > Dear Tatvam and all, > > > I am giving some birth details of men where > > jupiter in fifth house > > has caused child-birth related problems. > > > > > > 1. 17th march 1972, 17.20. Delhi, > > > > > > Married since last four years, no kids despite > > best efforts. > > Notice jupiter in its own sign. > > > > > > 2. 28th april 1972, 15.00, Delhi, > > > > > > Married since last ten years, first son born after > > two > > miscarriages, second son born after two miscarriages > > again. > === message truncated === > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 Dear Jyotishbandhu ji, Yes you are right, in my view. This is exactly why modern savants like Raman and the entire line following thereafter, have endorsed that view and tried the best they could. Many of the attempts might have been less than perfect but even if we pick up a small sample and examine it without preconceived notions, research gets accomplished, supercillious remarks regarding wild ideas and so on notwithstanding. Socrates received the cup of hemlock for his wild ideas, Galileo was condemned for challenging Copernicus, I believe, though ironically we jyotishis also utilize the geocentric view of astronomical reality and that is the first clue to some that while astrology cannot function without some astronomy (to get the planets put in their right place, for instance) somewhere soon thereafter the physical reality must turn over the information to the mental reality which uncomfortably flexible to some is better equipped to study and describe the 'astrological reality' which is really not physical but like some psychosomatic ailment recently described by someone here can control the physical reality and life itself! RR , Kapoor Shankar <jyotishbandhu wrote: > > Dear Freinds, > > I have read this thread with interest.It assures > persons like me to believe that there is great future > for research oriented studies.I am happy to note that > oversimplification and dogmas would not cloud the > vision and due weight shall be given to relativity of > different kinds like shadabala,asthakvarga, > yogas,different vargas, afflictions etc.recognised by > our great seers. > > Jupiter in 5th would be in 360 degrees;in one rasi > alone in 60 shastiamsa,9Navamsa,7Saptamamsa, in > Pushkar Amsa, Pushkar Navamsa,and Mrtubhagas. > Naturally Jupiterin 5th in Capricorn would not give > similar result as Jupiter in Cancer, Dhanu or Meena. > Nor the results would be the same,if Jupiter is Kshaar > Saptamamsa as it is expected in Khseer, Aajya > and,Dadhi saptamasa. > > One should not try to generalise results of Mars - > Venus Combinations to prnounce judgements on anybody's > character, without considering its multidimensional > relative position, alongwith Atmabal and Manobala. > > With best wishes, > > Jyotishbandhu > --- panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote: > > > dear prashant ji > > > > from your mails i could see you having decades of > > astrological > > experience in the traditional ways. one good thing > > noticed in this > > thread is that basic etiquettes are exhibited by ALL > > members with a > > sambodhana. any mail without a sambodhana smacks > > arrogance on part > > of the writer and it does not warant a response. in > > a public group > > some "sabha maryada" needs to be followed. in > > private chatrooms > > these etiquettes are not followed. it is worth > > noting that all > > members knowing these basic etiquettes always > > address mails with > > proper sambodhana while writing to members or > > querents alike. be it > > this group or any other group, even the owners and > > moderators of the > > groups and all learnt astrologers have been > > following this basic > > decency in all their mails. > > > > as you correctly observed not all mars+venus or even > > sun+venus > > combinations spoil the character of a girl. be it > > this or manglik > > dosha or several other doshas, in many cases (not > > all cases) they > > are all saved by the benign aspect or conjunction of > > jupiter. > > > > if a person is childess, there are 1001 reasons > > including curses > > from various quarters where jupiter is not in the > > picture. analysis > > of charts of childless people is different to > > jupiter's respect as > > the most benefic planet in the solar system. > > unfortunately the > > original thread of debating on this status of > > jupiter has now been > > turned into discussion of childlessness that too > > caused by jupiter. > > > > putra karaka jupiter was described best in ALL > > SCRIPTURES and what > > we are all quoting is only a fraction of what has > > been described in > > these scriptures. i am worried the day is not far > > when researches > > paint this "PUTRAKARAKA" AS "PUTRANASHAKA". > > > > may jupiter's benign divine light shine on all > > members. > > > > with best wishes > > arjun > > > > , Prashant > > Kumar G B > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > Guru-Bashing in 5th > > > The right path to research is give full > > details like > > birth details of the wife as well, dates like > > married on, > > miscarriage/s, anyone or two other events in their > > life with a > > date. Without more data to work on can limit myself > > to this much. > > > > > > > > > 17th march 1972, 17.20. Delhi, > > > > > > Well there has to be appropriate time for any > > event to happen, > > dasha, transit support and also other factors w.r.t > > 5th house, > > karaka etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > Here I see him having a child between 12-6-06 > > and 12-10-07, the > > delivery can be when JUPT is transiting JUPT and in > > trine to Natal > > Moon, and Venus in whose start JUPT is. > > > > > > > > > 28th april 1972, 15.00, Delhi > > > > > > It is so obvious there will be miscarriages > > here, Mars > > aspecting by 8th aspect the 5th house and its lord, > > karaka Jupiter. > > > > > > In Bhava Rahu+Guru r there together, I am > > sure many works > > will support the same reading. > > > > > > > > > 8th July 1974, 13.20, Delhi > > > > > > HERE IT IS SO OBVIOUS > > > > > > Here it is Tula Lagna and Guru in 3rd? and > > Guru takes the > > cross! > > > > > > The 5th lord Satn in 8th with 8th lord > > > 5th house aspected by sani from the 8th > > house > > > and Mars from 10th house by 8th aspect. > > > I also feel inspite of the hard way > > children have come to > > this man his marriage is likely to end between > > 8-6-7 to 6-2-10, > > thes eeds can be sown between 2/7/06 to 8-6-7. > > > I assume this man is an electronic, > > electrical engineer.or > > working in such places. > > > > > > > > > AND GURU ALONE IS THE CULPRIT NONE OF THE > > other points? > > Even a partial acknowledgement that other factors r > > there and yet > > it is in the basket of Guru's malefic nature. > > > > > > I HAVE NOT SAID RESEARCH IS NOT GOOD, I SAY > > IN THE NAME OF > > RESEARCH ALL WILD THINKING MUST NOT GET SUJBECT IN > > DISARRAY. > > > > > > PLEASE LOOK AT ROBERT HAUCK'S ASTROLOGY OF > > DEATH, the way > > he has done research, like wise CEO Carter, we need > > research like > > the westerners do a comprehensive look at a chart > > no piecemeal > > effort. > > > > > > I remember in ICAS Group discussions people > > in back benches > > talking about a women's chart if Mars+Venus was > > there "why does she > > need marriage….! (impish laughs)" when anxious > > parents wanted to > > know when their daughter will get married. Is this > > research are all > > Mars+venus women whores? > > > RESEARCH FOR RESEARCH SAKE IS AS BLIND AS > > SUPERSTITIONS > > ARE, IT MUUT BE OPEN AND FRANK ON ALL ASPECTS. > > > RESEARCH MUST BE COMPREHENSIVE IN ALL > > ASPECTS ALL HOUSES, > > LORDS SHIPS YOGAS, GOCHARA, STRENGHTS ETC. IN SOME > > DETAIL and the > > point emphasized in any research head must be > > highlighted. > > > MR. A V Sundaram of Madras IIT did some > > research on > > infidelity in various walks of life including IIT > > and brought his > > wife along to the discussion too just in case > > people doubted his > > work, that he was also a pervert that is how he came > > to know some > > close details of others. > > > > > > I would welcome readers to write on this if > > my view of > > research is not fair. > > > > > > > > > Prashant > > > > > > > > > astrologerashutosh <astrologerashutosh@> wrote: > > > > > Dear Tatvam and all, > > > I am giving some birth details of men where > > jupiter in fifth house > > has caused child-birth related problems. > > > > > > 1. 17th march 1972, 17.20. Delhi, > > > > > > Married since last four years, no kids despite > > best efforts. > > Notice jupiter in its own sign. > > > > > > 2. 28th april 1972, 15.00, Delhi, > > > > > > Married since last ten years, first son born after > > two > > miscarriages, second son born after two miscarriages > > again. > === message truncated === > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 Dear Jyotishbandhu ji, we r in tune with your expressions of atmabal and manobal.But in a palnetary chart we only think in terms of longitudes to find atmakarak and manokarak moon to ventilate feelings. Every human being a biological creature and having some lakshmana rekhas enforced through Guru as well as Sani,the philosopher and guide,is also guided by the mars as well as venus. Further we thinkf of the house sign etc that provide shelter to the planets termed as benific and malefic in nature.ofcourse a thin line of difference between two extreemities.However the enviroment marres along with nodes linking to present and past through tripods(1,5 and9).Anything noise we generate is ceratinly based on classical datas.then to have consistency we have many many spread to the extent we can confirm and reconfirm through our shodasa varga and dasa visleshan. few minutes back spme body was quipping "is it premarital or extra marital relation" that leads due to venus being in 7th in fiery sign and linking up with earthy sign of venus.being a chatushpada sign it has less of intellect and more of prowess. Libra ruled venus is certainly is intellectual being airy sign and satur's imapact as a friend. Mars too is marshy in scorpio and fiery in aries but with different signifiacance of luminaries. You are no doubt right sir!.we too want to be cautious.if we have missed it is not intentional regards krishnan crystal pages <jyotish_vani wrote: Dear Jyotishbandhu ji, Yes you are right, in my view. This is exactly why modern savants like Raman and the entire line following thereafter, have endorsed that view and tried the best they could. Many of the attempts might have been less than perfect but even if we pick up a small sample and examine it without preconceived notions, research gets accomplished, supercillious remarks regarding wild ideas and so on notwithstanding. Socrates received the cup of hemlock for his wild ideas, Galileo was condemned for challenging Copernicus, I believe, though ironically we jyotishis also utilize the geocentric view of astronomical reality and that is the first clue to some that while astrology cannot function without some astronomy (to get the planets put in their right place, for instance) somewhere soon thereafter the physical reality must turn over the information to the mental reality which uncomfortably flexible to some is better equipped to study and describe the 'astrological reality' which is really not physical but like some psychosomatic ailment recently described by someone here can control the physical reality and life itself! RR , Kapoor Shankar <jyotishbandhu wrote: > > Dear Freinds, > > I have read this thread with interest.It assures > persons like me to believe that there is great future > for research oriented studies.I am happy to note that > oversimplification and dogmas would not cloud the > vision and due weight shall be given to relativity of > different kinds like shadabala,asthakvarga, > yogas,different vargas, afflictions etc.recognised by > our great seers. > > Jupiter in 5th would be in 360 degrees;in one rasi > alone in 60 shastiamsa,9Navamsa,7Saptamamsa, in > Pushkar Amsa, Pushkar Navamsa,and Mrtubhagas. > Naturally Jupiterin 5th in Capricorn would not give > similar result as Jupiter in Cancer, Dhanu or Meena. > Nor the results would be the same,if Jupiter is Kshaar > Saptamamsa as it is expected in Khseer, Aajya > and,Dadhi saptamasa. > > One should not try to generalise results of Mars - > Venus Combinations to prnounce judgements on anybody's > character, without considering its multidimensional > relative position, alongwith Atmabal and Manobala. > > With best wishes, > > Jyotishbandhu > --- panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote: > > > dear prashant ji > > > > from your mails i could see you having decades of > > astrological > > experience in the traditional ways. one good thing > > noticed in this > > thread is that basic etiquettes are exhibited by ALL > > members with a > > sambodhana. any mail without a sambodhana smacks > > arrogance on part > > of the writer and it does not warant a response. in > > a public group > > some "sabha maryada" needs to be followed. in > > private chatrooms > > these etiquettes are not followed. it is worth > > noting that all > > members knowing these basic etiquettes always > > address mails with > > proper sambodhana while writing to members or > > querents alike. be it > > this group or any other group, even the owners and > > moderators of the > > groups and all learnt astrologers have been > > following this basic > > decency in all their mails. > > > > as you correctly observed not all mars+venus or even > > sun+venus > > combinations spoil the character of a girl. be it > > this or manglik > > dosha or several other doshas, in many cases (not > > all cases) they > > are all saved by the benign aspect or conjunction of > > jupiter. > > > > if a person is childess, there are 1001 reasons > > including curses > > from various quarters where jupiter is not in the > > picture. analysis > > of charts of childless people is different to > > jupiter's respect as > > the most benefic planet in the solar system. > > unfortunately the > > original thread of debating on this status of > > jupiter has now been > > turned into discussion of childlessness that too > > caused by jupiter. > > > > putra karaka jupiter was described best in ALL > > SCRIPTURES and what > > we are all quoting is only a fraction of what has > > been described in > > these scriptures. i am worried the day is not far > > when researches > > paint this "PUTRAKARAKA" AS "PUTRANASHAKA". > > > > may jupiter's benign divine light shine on all > > members. > > > > with best wishes > > arjun > > > > , Prashant > > Kumar G B > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > Guru-Bashing in 5th > > > The right path to research is give full > > details like > > birth details of the wife as well, dates like > > married on, > > miscarriage/s, anyone or two other events in their > > life with a > > date. Without more data to work on can limit myself > > to this much. > > > > > > > > > 17th march 1972, 17.20. Delhi, > > > > > > Well there has to be appropriate time for any > > event to happen, > > dasha, transit support and also other factors w.r.t > > 5th house, > > karaka etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > Here I see him having a child between 12-6-06 > > and 12-10-07, the > > delivery can be when JUPT is transiting JUPT and in > > trine to Natal > > Moon, and Venus in whose start JUPT is. > > > > > > > > > 28th april 1972, 15.00, Delhi > > > > > > It is so obvious there will be miscarriages > > here, Mars > > aspecting by 8th aspect the 5th house and its lord, > > karaka Jupiter. > > > > > > In Bhava Rahu+Guru r there together, I am > > sure many works > > will support the same reading. > > > > > > > > > 8th July 1974, 13.20, Delhi > > > > > > HERE IT IS SO OBVIOUS > > > > > > Here it is Tula Lagna and Guru in 3rd? and > > Guru takes the > > cross! > > > > > > The 5th lord Satn in 8th with 8th lord > > > 5th house aspected by sani from the 8th > > house > > > and Mars from 10th house by 8th aspect. > > > I also feel inspite of the hard way > > children have come to > > this man his marriage is likely to end between > > 8-6-7 to 6-2-10, > > thes eeds can be sown between 2/7/06 to 8-6-7. > > > I assume this man is an electronic, > > electrical engineer.or > > working in such places. > > > > > > > > > AND GURU ALONE IS THE CULPRIT NONE OF THE > > other points? > > Even a partial acknowledgement that other factors r > > there and yet > > it is in the basket of Guru's malefic nature. > > > > > > I HAVE NOT SAID RESEARCH IS NOT GOOD, I SAY > > IN THE NAME OF > > RESEARCH ALL WILD THINKING MUST NOT GET SUJBECT IN > > DISARRAY. > > > > > > PLEASE LOOK AT ROBERT HAUCK'S ASTROLOGY OF > > DEATH, the way > > he has done research, like wise CEO Carter, we need > > research like > > the westerners do a comprehensive look at a chart > > no piecemeal > > effort. > > > > > > I remember in ICAS Group discussions people > > in back benches > > talking about a women's chart if Mars+Venus was > > there "why does she > > need marriage….! (impish laughs)" when anxious > > parents wanted to > > know when their daughter will get married. Is this > > research are all > > Mars+venus women whores? > > > RESEARCH FOR RESEARCH SAKE IS AS BLIND AS > > SUPERSTITIONS > > ARE, IT MUUT BE OPEN AND FRANK ON ALL ASPECTS. > > > RESEARCH MUST BE COMPREHENSIVE IN ALL > > ASPECTS ALL HOUSES, > > LORDS SHIPS YOGAS, GOCHARA, STRENGHTS ETC. IN SOME > > DETAIL and the > > point emphasized in any research head must be > > highlighted. > > > MR. A V Sundaram of Madras IIT did some > > research on > > infidelity in various walks of life including IIT > > and brought his > > wife along to the discussion too just in case > > people doubted his > > work, that he was also a pervert that is how he came > > to know some > > close details of others. > > > > > > I would welcome readers to write on this if > > my view of > > research is not fair. > > > > > > > > > Prashant > > > > > > > > > astrologerashutosh <astrologerashutosh@> wrote: > > > > > Dear Tatvam and all, > > > I am giving some birth details of men where > > jupiter in fifth house > > has caused child-birth related problems. > > > > > > 1. 17th march 1972, 17.20. Delhi, > > > > > > Married since last four years, no kids despite > > best efforts. > > Notice jupiter in its own sign. > > > > > > 2. 28th april 1972, 15.00, Delhi, > > > > > > Married since last ten years, first son born after > > two > > miscarriages, second son born after two miscarriages > > again. > === message truncated === > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. Vedic astrology Astrology chart Astrology software Visit your group "" on the web. New Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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