Guest guest Posted April 4, 2006 Report Share Posted April 4, 2006 Dear Prashant, I do not know which software you are using, but in this horoscope, 8th july 1974, 13.20, Delhi, the lagna is libra, but moon-jupiter are in fifth house in aquarius. Different planets act differently for men and women. Mars excites and increases the reproductive capabilities in men, while, in women, its aspect can weaken the uterus' ability to hold on the embryo. I have done a lot of research on this topic. I am not challenging anyone's astrological knowledge, but the efforts are to clarify the effects of jupiter in fifth house and the reasons why it has been called as "bhavnashak" by seers. You will not find a more zealous researcher than me. I believe something only when it is found to be applicable and correct. Regards, Ashutosh [The services of this astrologer are free on this group but off-group consultations may be chargeable] - Prashant Kumar G B Tuesday, 04 April, 2006 16:20 Re: Having Guru in the 5th.RESEARCH path is important 4/4/06-2 Dear asutosh, I am sorry about the 3rd chart yr I used was `wrong i used 72 instead of 74, stand corrected. as reearch must be verified for every detail and sorry that i missed this. other 2 charts i check and found them ok. chart 3 : 8/7/74 @ 13.20 hrs, Delhi Tula lagna, Jupt in 4th with Moon? Here as I see the role of Guru has only helped the issue here as he still aspects the 5th lord satn. loss of a few by misscarriage is due to Merc also being 12th lord and as said in Abhinav Mishras' reply when 5th lord goes to satrun, or MErc sign children r an issue, with some effort, in many cases no children. I had quoted 4 classics to support it there also. and if the aspect of Mars on the 5th affects a women and not a man I am surprised is the `putra shoka' just a womens sin? doesn't the man also siffer some grief, emotional pain so it has to reflect in man's chart also. in woen as she delivers the child either live or dead adds more to it. Robert Hauck whom I had quoted has analysed every memeber of a family in his research to draw the same result did not find one and fit the rest to present his case. he quotes how if a maraka planet corsses a Eclipse point death occurs [a nearest eclipse and wheneveer the maraka corosses it] it can take yrs, but has to cross it. this will dismiss Prof Yeshpal Sharma who ridicules Indian astrology does eclipses kill people never no scripture said so [it does affect people in someway in +ve constellations good happen and -ve ones evil results]. no, it does when the time for it arises. *-*-* I am adding this part below as u have ben analysing many charts and helping people, I am sure u wud have seen this point too. they can plan some events in family to keep their paternal circles wishes fulfilled in the time they have. back to chart 3 briefly for whatever reason I said he will seperate it still stands strangely 26-11-06 to 20-4-09 can see some set backs to paternal circles even death. but between 20-4-9 to 23-4-12 cansee his marriage in trouble as it is also Ashtama shani time as well and dissaster to happen some role of Ardha ashtama, ashtama or 7 1/2 sani must be there to aid it. I had quoted other aspects also in my mail on abhinava Mishra and Guru in gen pl write back even to personal ID no problemm. Prashant astrologerashutosh <astrologerashutosh wrote: Dear Prashant, We all are aware that wife's horoscope is needed under such circumstances. But, the main topic was of jupiter in fifth in any individual's horoscope. There is a lot in astrology and a lot deeper one can go. But, a wise person can still infer much from the given details only. Re-check the horoscopes which you are getting out of the birth details I gave. You have got two of them wrong. All these horoscopes are of men, husbands. Mars' aspect on fifth is harmfull for childbirth in the horoscope of a woman not a man. Anyway, I never wanted to get into this argument, but as I have commited the folly of jumping in fire, I must feel the heat too. Quoting myself: Of course, there are other factors responsible along with the jupiter in fifth, like the position of planets in other vargas, the fifth lord's placement, etc. But, all the so called blind beliefs in jupiter's beneficience have been proven wrong. Why is no one is reading full messages here, word by word. Arguements for the sake of arguements can go endlessly. This is my last post on this topic. Regards, Ashutosh [The services of this astrologer are free on this group but off-group consultations may be chargeable] - Prashant Kumar G B Tuesday, 04 April, 2006 11:28 Re: Having Guru in the 5th house...RESEARCH path is important 4/4/06-1 Guru-Bashing in 5th The right path to research is give full details like birth details of the wife as well, dates like married on, miscarriage/s, anyone or two other events in their life with a date. Without more data to work on can limit myself to this much. 17th march 1972, 17.20. Delhi, Well there has to be appropriate time for any event to happen, dasha, transit support and also other factors w.r.t 5th house, karaka etc. Here I see him having a child between 12-6-06 and 12-10-07, the delivery can be when JUPT is transiting JUPT and in trine to Natal Moon, and Venus in whose start JUPT is. 28th april 1972, 15.00, Delhi It is so obvious there will be miscarriages here, Mars aspecting by 8th aspect the 5th house and its lord, karaka Jupiter. In Bhava Rahu+Guru r there together, I am sure many works will support the same reading. 8th July 1974, 13.20, Delhi HERE IT IS SO OBVIOUS Here it is Tula Lagna and Guru in 3rd? and Guru takes the cross! The 5th lord Satn in 8th with 8th lord 5th house aspected by sani from the 8th house and Mars from 10th house by 8th aspect. I also feel inspite of the hard way children have come to this man his marriage is likely to end between 8-6-7 to 6-2-10, thes eeds can be sown between 2/7/06 to 8-6-7. I assume this man is an electronic, electrical engineer.or working in such places. AND GURU ALONE IS THE CULPRIT NONE OF THE other points? Even a partial acknowledgement that other factors r there and yet it is in the basket of Guru's malefic nature. I HAVE NOT SAID RESEARCH IS NOT GOOD, I SAY IN THE NAME OF RESEARCH ALL WILD THINKING MUST NOT GET SUJBECT IN DISARRAY. PLEASE LOOK AT ROBERT HAUCK'S ASTROLOGY OF DEATH, the way he has done research, like wise CEO Carter, we need research like the westerners do a comprehensive look at a chart no piecemeal effort. I remember in ICAS Group discussions people in back benches talking about a women's chart if Mars+Venus was there "why does she need marriage..! (impish laughs)" when anxious parents wanted to know when their daughter will get married. Is this research are all Mars+venus women whores? RESEARCH FOR RESEARCH SAKE IS AS BLIND AS SUPERSTITIONS ARE, IT MUUT BE OPEN AND FRANK ON ALL ASPECTS. RESEARCH MUST BE COMPREHENSIVE IN ALL ASPECTS ALL HOUSES, LORDS SHIPS YOGAS, GOCHARA, STRENGHTS ETC. IN SOME DETAIL and the point emphasized in any research head must be highlighted. MR. A V Sundaram of Madras IIT did some research on infidelity in various walks of life including IIT and brought his wife along to the discussion too just in case people doubted his work, that he was also a pervert that is how he came to know some close details of others. I would welcome readers to write on this if my view of research is not fair. Prashant astrologerashutosh <astrologerashutosh wrote: Dear Tatvam and all, I am giving some birth details of men where jupiter in fifth house has caused child-birth related problems. 1. 17th march 1972, 17.20. Delhi, Married since last four years, no kids despite best efforts. Notice jupiter in its own sign. 2. 28th april 1972, 15.00, Delhi, Married since last ten years, first son born after two miscarriages, second son born after two miscarriages again. Jupiter in own sign in fifth. 3. 8th July 1974, 13.20, Delhi, First conception ended up in miscarriage, second one ended when the embryo mysteriously dissolved into the uterus. The third conception, done under astrological guidance, was successfull last year. The child, a boy, is healthy. This last case has similarities with Abhiram Mishra's case. Even the horoscopes have some similarities. I have many other such cases in my database. Whatever statement I give is based upon my experiences and observations in my daily practice as an astrologer. Of course, there are other factors responsible along with the jupiter in fifth, like the position of planets in other vargas, the fifth lord's placement, etc. But, all the so called blind beliefs in jupiter's beneficience have been proven wrong. Regards, Ashutosh - Tatvamasi Monday, 03 April, 2006 20:59 Re: Having Guru in the 5th house....Sad commentry Friends, I found some sly remarks by a member about researchers of today. Please remember that everything which is written is not always right and everything that present day people research is not wrong. When I say Bhava Nasha Karo Jeeva, it also means a father having Guru in 5th bhava might have a son but it is possible that he would never get along well or stay away from son/vice versa. I would sight an example, Male DOB: 12th June 1949 , at 14.00 hrs, Sholapur. He has a son and two daughters. He cannot see eye to eye with son and a daughter. Son has lived away from him since last six years . Thus Guru plays a role here in different capacity. I wish people tread all that I have to post before branding terms in astrology. Tatvam-Asi astrologerashutosh <astrologerashutosh wrote: Dear K.Gopu, Guru in fifth house is only one of the several factors which can give child-birth related problems. We are looking for astrological explanations here. The bio-medical reasons are known to all. Scepticism is okay, but one should also keep in mind the whole purpose of the discussions. This is an astrological group, remember?!! Ashutosh - K Gopu Monday, 03 April, 2006 16:40 Re: Having Guru in the 5th house dear ashutosh ji, I fail to understand as to why only guru in 5th should cause noprogeny? 5th house if it is afflicted may lead to delayed or no progeny. today in our country IVF(in vitro fertilisation) clinics/hoslitals are increasing. People who go to these clinics, will there 5th house be badly afflicted, it has to be studied. and in case of Sri abhiram mishra, if the fifth house is strong in his wife's chart then definitely she can give birth to a child. Unexplainable miscarriages are rejection of the paternal cells by the mother, this is based on immunorejection theory. this is one of the reason they say for which some degree of successful treatment is available. 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