Guest guest Posted April 4, 2006 Report Share Posted April 4, 2006 Dear Krishnan, you have put the current picture well and we need to keep re-reading classics as u said and sure we can rediscover new meanings to them everytime. and as the base for all the works later the older ones must be seen time and again. some more works r there. lke sanketha Nidhi- this work gives us how to predict a child from conception to delivery u can also rectify birth time backwards from delivery to conception. e.g the rasi at conception is Lagna at delivery and lagna at conception is rasi at delivery. u canwork it on any chart a useful work also on adoption , choldren, children related issues, the suffering they can inflict is also well covered ** NN Krishna Rao has done a great job in a book called Missing Links in Hindu astrology )which is a collection of 13 other works less known but rare works), apart from his other works on BPHS, SARAVALI, KERALA SUTRAS, NAKAHATRA AND TITHI PHALA, HORA RATHNA MALA etc. if anyone has access to Sivananda Ashram u can find it as he has gifted the books to the ashram and did not sell them as originally Planned his son UK Iyer lives in Madras who has sold a few reprints on select works. ** Jataka marthanda- by Akella Venkata shastri, Kondapalli Venketaiah Press, RJY, telugu is a great work where amonng manythings the death time environment, thithi, natshatra, karna etc r well illustrated. and has been tested on some. these r used only in terminally ill people where such info was a boon to them not to other cases. like wise Bhavaphala Bodhini in Kannada gives a good interpretation on various Bhava results. we need modern works, esp the R&D methods to test and reuse them for our times as most of them were written when materialism was not at levels it is today. MAHENDRA PRATAP SINGH-Planets in transit (orbit) is a great work on interpreting transits, from Varanasi the fact that many westerners r doing a lot of good research in our tradition's, works is a good thing and the lead they have given must be a base for us also to work along. we can never do lab model but can surely can make some standard method, ICAS has done a great job till date and wish some of their works r publicised with some fanfare, reviews in every journal , group even here. the course is well balanced, blended with modern and classical works. and the 2 yr dimploma is q good time for people to evolve. earlier generations had just either gurus to give them knowledge on one2one basis or self study. this is a huge effort and many others have modelled on this and doing even better. WE CAN HOPE BETTER TIMES FOR SUCH SUBJECTS. Prashant vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: Dear Sir, Progressively Jyotish is catching to the imagination of educated people.people evince interest not only just 'coz of personal interest but also find many vague issues bothering them. un like some other lighter branches of futuristic explorartions,jyotish particularly vedic jyostish needs some regimentation to learn more through phladeepika,sarvardha chintamani and Brihat parasarhora. As we read some of these books and basics are clear,you will get many other aids to help in understanding jyotish. ceratinly the ongoing works in Astrology(particularly sideral) and even in fixed zodiac etc are no doubt interesting but their value addition to resolve problems and find consistency is a mute point.when questions are asked and apprehensions are made known,we have to take rescue of the fundamentals.unflinching faith is rudimenatary to vedic jyotish and various pariharas have significance. To speak of an instance one of my colleague worried much for not having progeny even after 13/14 years of married life,has atlast been blessed recently.Though frustated due to various interrogations,it was really difficult to have answered.At 40s to fulfil wish of having a child is difficult to explain.I know the parents at coimbatore in their old age must be greatly delighted.This has taken place with faith and ofcourse awareness of jyotish.the lady,my friend had done all kind of poojas.the blessings were delayed but not denied. The soldier approach of ICAS was helpful as to grind the principles.once the element of confidence is instilled,we are able to decipher and speak palnetary language.i think curiosity is momentary to know of the issues involved.when however serious bother many people and find no logic,we have to pound through basics and resolve. Ecclestical approach,is always helpful and KP is more specific of the stellar roles in resolving many issues and helps in application.Clarity is fundamental to explore futuristic studies and these approaches that supplement are of great value additions krishnan crystal pages <jyotish_vani wrote: Dear Krishnan ji, I thought ICAS trained jyotishis but you say soldiers! :-) Pardon my levity!! I myself am indebted to Prof. Raman's scholarly written books and articles which was pretty much what was written in lucid and logical english. There were books in hindi and other authors in english too but let us not go there. More importantly, I am indebted to his ayanamsha which together with K.P. opened my mind to the real possibility of using vimshottari dasha and I am indebted to Sri Nirmal Chandra Lahiri for his value without which I would not have seriously opened my eyes to dasa durations other than the conveniently prevailing norm imposed by recent Masters and Lords. I have already written about illustrious Sri KN Rao and I am fast approaching the line-limit that irritates some minds. It was nice of you to share your thoughts about your gurus. They are/were all great men and great souls. My sense is, though, that none of them would be happy if we turn jyotish into some holy shrine where questioning is not permitted and curiosity is squashed. I would consider that akin to infanticide! RR , vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > Sir, > I am ICAS trained soldier as far jyotish aspects are concerned.my unflinching faith in late B.V.Raman's approach (was very good)makes to pursue jyotish from research and academic point of view. > .i have little to say on the controversies of ayanamsa.In ICAS it is not certainly Raman's ayanamsa which was not given really given any crdence. > .Some how recognition in 90s earned by shri K.N.Rao (when was in his peak days) and decided to settle down to Bharateeya vidya bahvan's Institute and start on his own,the justification made by him to differ with shri B.V.Raman)was never taken kindly even today. > it is ofcourse,the stars that play a vital even in the life of learned men.Today however he is the one who is very quite and ceratinly the year 2002 was also disappointing from predictions point of view for many many astrologers in the circuit as what really happened from mudane perspective was never an easy task to corroborate with jyotish theory.any way these stories now form part of history. > Between two different poles(ICAS vs K.N.rao's school of thoughts) iam able to put up and continue.My reverences to Shri K.N.rao as my guru are unmistakable.we meet on different fora and i get his blessings with whcih iam happy. > The ICAS today works more silently and is fulfiling it's objectives with out media glare.where as my guru is now often made busy by various T.V and print media.Probably he airs his views very strongly however unconvincing might be.For me Shri.K.n.rao is man of strong convictions and his style is totally different and is not at all client oriented.we are happy with his teachings as he aims in all of us to understand jyotish in most prudent and convincing ways.gives lot of emphais on statistical methods.His earnest desire today is that this spirit and interest evinced should be furthered.From this perspective he is a moving spirit for us > krishnan > > crystal pages <jyotish_vani wrote: > Dear Krishnanji, > > I have never been fortunate to be Shri KN Rao ji's student but my ... > is he a breath of fresh air ever that blew over the stale plains of > complacent jyotish? Despite his fairly strong and to some irritating > views, some almost consider them abrasive -- I have never had any > problems in accepting his fire for his sincerity and passion is so > obvious and visible. Lord knows I have given him hard times almost to > the point of confornting him on Ben's list and questioning about his > statistics and sources (82% he said publicly and not 85 but small > difference) and yet there is no other modern jyotishi who after B.V. > Raman has done what KN Rao has done to revive jyotish globally since > the early 90s! If you read his postings, and I have followed his for > some years, his personal reverence for Raman and what he has done is > unmistakable, as is his love for truth, no matter what, at least as > he sees it and no one should ever be blamed for that. > > It has always pained me to my core to hear/read Shri Rao talk rather > negatively about contemporary jyotishis in India and elsewhere -- but > though originally astounded and dumb-founded the more I see, the more > I see what he has talked about when he talks about the 'jyotish' > scenario! > > It is up to all of us, one and all, successful or not, high or low on > the ladder, accomplished or not, to question, question and question > and if someone low or high gets upset or insulted by that or attacks > us -- well obviously we have pressed some buttons rightly and > prevented those from getting complacent and rusted! > > As PVR says, May Jupiter's LIGHT shine upon us, one bulb at a time! > > RR > > , vattem krishnan > <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > Dear Friends, > > In my contacts with Shri K.N.Rao at his residence I always found > him not very happy to volunteer for making any prediction .certainly > through paraasara light he makes a chakra on his own computer and > assigns an Id but never gave yes or no immediately to problems.we > all know his theory and principles of jyotish were never found > wanting and in some cases hea made revealing forecasts which > normal,ordinary astrologer would not have made. > > But to us as his students and discipels he always advised to be > systematic and also pragmatic.he insisted that accuracy of data is > always to be checked and tested.somehow he always felt that in 85% of > cases data accuracy was questionable that makes predictions go > awary.ceratinly he was never comfortable with the the success rate of > predictions. > > So if this could be the feeling we as novices and always with > several if and buts always safe to depend on parrots from accuracy > point of view than to count on individual abilities.it is not that > principles of jyotish are wrong.our predictive techics need > refinement.This will always be a question mark and we need to be > dediacted to the cause even if we feel and convince that jyotish can > hand out 60--65% > > of correct predictions.the safe bet ceratinly nature's gift in a > parrot.this should not be controversial issue how ever good and bad > our forecasts abilities appear to be > > krishnan > > auromirra19 <nalini2818@> wrote: > > Rishiji, > > Sad isnt it, but true. though I would refute that we are both in > the > > same rung of the ladder. I am far down and all others are way up > and > > I have vertigo! and confusion to confound it. > > It all started innocently, I read a few files/posts/articles of > > learned members in the fora. Now I am back to where I started. Why > is > > this? Where have I gone wrong? I hate to be "all sound and fury" > but > > no susbtance. But I dont give up, shall prod on, let it take this > > lifetime. > > Regards > > Nalini > > , rishi shukla > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > The parrot is a good learner. > > > Us beginners in Jyotish not so good as parrots so we > > > get confused with ayanamshas, the nodes, the vargas, > > > the dasha years ..the list can go on merely > > > illustrative and not exhaustive. > > > So there we go again, counting the stars in the skies > > > till eons. > > > regards > > > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > --- crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > I hate it when it comes to duel between the psychic > > > > parrot or the pot- > > > > bellied astropundit! The parrot in some instances > > > > may be more > > > > accurate, demands fewer resources, a few fistfuls of > > > > bengal gram, a > > > > few pecks at the gulabi amrud and a few handfuls of > > > > green chillies as > > > > opposed to the pundit (let us not go there, > > > > please!)--- In > > > > , rishi shukla > > > > <rishi_2000in@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > True, Sir, but that exactly is the point, either > > > > you > > > > > predict through a set of principles or you predict > > > > > through intutive methods. The prediction through a > > > > set > > > > > of principles need an understanding of the > > > > principles > > > > > and when a variety of views float, which is but > > > > > natural then confusion gets compounded. > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > --- crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rishi ji and interested others, > > > > > > > > > > > > As Shri K.N. Rao ji has expressed on Ben's list > > > > a > > > > > > few times and I > > > > > > hope I am not quoting him incorrectly or out of > > > > > > context: The only > > > > > > true test for jyotish and jyotishi is through > > > > > > prediction and only > > > > > > through consistently correct predictions. To > > > > which I > > > > > > add -- who needs > > > > > > further proof or discussion and only silence can > > > > > > prevail! > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes -- difficult to impossible for most of us > > > > but > > > > > > something to strive > > > > > > for by those who respect and admire Mr. K.N. > > > > Rao. > > > > > > > > > > > > rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > "rishi_2000in" > > > > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Welcome, naliniji, to the club wherein > > > > realities > > > > > > and shadows merge > > > > > > > and create confusion for beginners like us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is so interesting that while various > > > > approaches > > > > > > to Jyotish can > > > > > > > glibly explain the same chart accurately in > > > > > > various forms, its > > > > > > still > > > > > > > contending with major issues > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > Rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > "auromirra19" > > > > > > > <nalini2818@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -[Om Namo Narayanaya] > > > > > > > > Dear Divya, > > > > > > > > When it comes to learning or knowledge, age > > > > is > > > > > > no criterion. I > > > > > > > > welcome your advice. Yes I have been mixing > > > > up > > > > > > too many things. I > > > > > > > > thought it prudent to start my study of > > > > jyotish > > > > > > diligently, > > > > > > > > systematically on a particular muhurta. I > > > > shall > > > > > > certainly , as > > > > > > > > advised by you start only from the > > > > > > basics/classics. > > > > > > > > I did read a couple of articles/lectures of > > > > > > learned members in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > fora, both of Jaimini and Parashara. The > > > > > > assimilation part was > > > > > > ok, > > > > > > > > should have slotted them in the respective > > > > > > places but > > > > > > > inexperienced > > > > > > > > that I am, have bungled. And you know the > > > > net > > > > > > result, confusion. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > God Bless > > > > > > > > Nalini > > > > > > > > -- In , > > > > Divya > > > > > > <touchbase_divya@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Naliniji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What I am writing is little off the > > > > topic of > > > > > > discussion. > > > > > > Also, > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > am no expert on the topic. But, being a > > > > beginner > > > > > > student myself, > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > am able to understand why you are feeling > > > > > > confused. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The topic of discussion was whether Rahu > > > > and > > > > > > Ketu have > > > > > > > aspects. > > > > > > > > > You felt that since Ketu is described as > > > > > > Mokshakaraka, it > > > > > > must > > > > > > > > be important. Also you wondered if it is > > > > > > considered as a planet > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > all. Later you have also added the word > > > > Chara > > > > > > Karaka. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we should go step by step. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is important is - What is a Graha > > > > and > > > > > > what forms the > > > > > > > basis > > > > > > > > of aspects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why did you feel that being a Karaka, is > > > > > > related to aspects? > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > thought Karaka was a separate topic. Are we > > > > not > > > > > > mixing up too > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > things? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The reason I wrote the earlier mail > > > > (asking > > > > > > you to > > > > > > > concentrate > > > > > > > > more on the word Graha rather than 'planet') > > > > > > was, that I feel > > > > > > > > sometimes the English words (which do not > > > > > > exactly fit) take our > > > > > > > line > > > > > > > > of thought in a different direction. Later > > > > they > > > > > > cause more > > > > > > doubts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But, if we concentrate on 'Graha', their > > > > > > nature, why Rahu - > > > > > > > Ketu > > > > > > > > are called Chaya Graha, also their nature, > > > > then > > > > > > it is a little > > > > > > > > easier to grasp the concept. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, one thing I have realised (the > > > > hard > > > > > > way) is that if I > > > > > > > > study basics first and then read the > > > > comments of > > > > > > learned members > > > > > > > > here, I am able to learn and understand > > > > better > > > > > > than if I try the > > > > > > > > other way round. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I thought I'll share my experience with > > > > you. > > > > > > If there's > > > > > > > anything > > > > > > > > you didn't like, then being elder to me, > > > > please > > > > > > forgive it as my > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > > > > > > Terms of > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Messenger with Voice. 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Guest guest Posted April 4, 2006 Report Share Posted April 4, 2006 Dear Shri Prashant Garu, iam just spell bound when i went through the treasure of information provided by you. My whole hearted regards and venerations for this valuble information that is worth preserving for years to come krishnan Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: Dear Krishnan, you have put the current picture well and we need to keep re-reading classics as u said and sure we can rediscover new meanings to them everytime. and as the base for all the works later the older ones must be seen time and again. some more works r there. lke sanketha Nidhi- this work gives us how to predict a child from conception to delivery u can also rectify birth time backwards from delivery to conception. e.g the rasi at conception is Lagna at delivery and lagna at conception is rasi at delivery. u canwork it on any chart a useful work also on adoption , choldren, children related issues, the suffering they can inflict is also well covered ** NN Krishna Rao has done a great job in a book called Missing Links in Hindu astrology )which is a collection of 13 other works less known but rare works), apart from his other works on BPHS, SARAVALI, KERALA SUTRAS, NAKAHATRA AND TITHI PHALA, HORA RATHNA MALA etc. if anyone has access to Sivananda Ashram u can find it as he has gifted the books to the ashram and did not sell them as originally Planned his son UK Iyer lives in Madras who has sold a few reprints on select works. ** Jataka marthanda- by Akella Venkata shastri, Kondapalli Venketaiah Press, RJY, telugu is a great work where amonng manythings the death time environment, thithi, natshatra, karna etc r well illustrated. and has been tested on some. these r used only in terminally ill people where such info was a boon to them not to other cases. like wise Bhavaphala Bodhini in Kannada gives a good interpretation on various Bhava results. we need modern works, esp the R&D methods to test and reuse them for our times as most of them were written when materialism was not at levels it is today. MAHENDRA PRATAP SINGH-Planets in transit (orbit) is a great work on interpreting transits, from Varanasi the fact that many westerners r doing a lot of good research in our tradition's, works is a good thing and the lead they have given must be a base for us also to work along. we can never do lab model but can surely can make some standard method, ICAS has done a great job till date and wish some of their works r publicised with some fanfare, reviews in every journal , group even here. the course is well balanced, blended with modern and classical works. and the 2 yr dimploma is q good time for people to evolve. earlier generations had just either gurus to give them knowledge on one2one basis or self study. this is a huge effort and many others have modelled on this and doing even better. WE CAN HOPE BETTER TIMES FOR SUCH SUBJECTS. Prashant vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: Dear Sir, Progressively Jyotish is catching to the imagination of educated people.people evince interest not only just 'coz of personal interest but also find many vague issues bothering them. un like some other lighter branches of futuristic explorartions,jyotish particularly vedic jyostish needs some regimentation to learn more through phladeepika,sarvardha chintamani and Brihat parasarhora. As we read some of these books and basics are clear,you will get many other aids to help in understanding jyotish. ceratinly the ongoing works in Astrology(particularly sideral) and even in fixed zodiac etc are no doubt interesting but their value addition to resolve problems and find consistency is a mute point.when questions are asked and apprehensions are made known,we have to take rescue of the fundamentals.unflinching faith is rudimenatary to vedic jyotish and various pariharas have significance. To speak of an instance one of my colleague worried much for not having progeny even after 13/14 years of married life,has atlast been blessed recently.Though frustated due to various interrogations,it was really difficult to have answered.At 40s to fulfil wish of having a child is difficult to explain.I know the parents at coimbatore in their old age must be greatly delighted.This has taken place with faith and ofcourse awareness of jyotish.the lady,my friend had done all kind of poojas.the blessings were delayed but not denied. The soldier approach of ICAS was helpful as to grind the principles.once the element of confidence is instilled,we are able to decipher and speak palnetary language.i think curiosity is momentary to know of the issues involved.when however serious bother many people and find no logic,we have to pound through basics and resolve. Ecclestical approach,is always helpful and KP is more specific of the stellar roles in resolving many issues and helps in application.Clarity is fundamental to explore futuristic studies and these approaches that supplement are of great value additions krishnan crystal pages <jyotish_vani wrote: Dear Krishnan ji, I thought ICAS trained jyotishis but you say soldiers! :-) Pardon my levity!! I myself am indebted to Prof. Raman's scholarly written books and articles which was pretty much what was written in lucid and logical english. There were books in hindi and other authors in english too but let us not go there. More importantly, I am indebted to his ayanamsha which together with K.P. opened my mind to the real possibility of using vimshottari dasha and I am indebted to Sri Nirmal Chandra Lahiri for his value without which I would not have seriously opened my eyes to dasa durations other than the conveniently prevailing norm imposed by recent Masters and Lords. I have already written about illustrious Sri KN Rao and I am fast approaching the line-limit that irritates some minds. It was nice of you to share your thoughts about your gurus. They are/were all great men and great souls. My sense is, though, that none of them would be happy if we turn jyotish into some holy shrine where questioning is not permitted and curiosity is squashed. I would consider that akin to infanticide! RR , vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > Sir, > I am ICAS trained soldier as far jyotish aspects are concerned.my unflinching faith in late B.V.Raman's approach (was very good)makes to pursue jyotish from research and academic point of view. > .i have little to say on the controversies of ayanamsa.In ICAS it is not certainly Raman's ayanamsa which was not given really given any crdence. > .Some how recognition in 90s earned by shri K.N.Rao (when was in his peak days) and decided to settle down to Bharateeya vidya bahvan's Institute and start on his own,the justification made by him to differ with shri B.V.Raman)was never taken kindly even today. > it is ofcourse,the stars that play a vital even in the life of learned men.Today however he is the one who is very quite and ceratinly the year 2002 was also disappointing from predictions point of view for many many astrologers in the circuit as what really happened from mudane perspective was never an easy task to corroborate with jyotish theory.any way these stories now form part of history. > Between two different poles(ICAS vs K.N.rao's school of thoughts) iam able to put up and continue.My reverences to Shri K.N.rao as my guru are unmistakable.we meet on different fora and i get his blessings with whcih iam happy. > The ICAS today works more silently and is fulfiling it's objectives with out media glare.where as my guru is now often made busy by various T.V and print media.Probably he airs his views very strongly however unconvincing might be.For me Shri.K.n.rao is man of strong convictions and his style is totally different and is not at all client oriented.we are happy with his teachings as he aims in all of us to understand jyotish in most prudent and convincing ways.gives lot of emphais on statistical methods.His earnest desire today is that this spirit and interest evinced should be furthered.From this perspective he is a moving spirit for us > krishnan > > crystal pages <jyotish_vani wrote: > Dear Krishnanji, > > I have never been fortunate to be Shri KN Rao ji's student but my ... > is he a breath of fresh air ever that blew over the stale plains of > complacent jyotish? Despite his fairly strong and to some irritating > views, some almost consider them abrasive -- I have never had any > problems in accepting his fire for his sincerity and passion is so > obvious and visible. Lord knows I have given him hard times almost to > the point of confornting him on Ben's list and questioning about his > statistics and sources (82% he said publicly and not 85 but small > difference) and yet there is no other modern jyotishi who after B.V. > Raman has done what KN Rao has done to revive jyotish globally since > the early 90s! If you read his postings, and I have followed his for > some years, his personal reverence for Raman and what he has done is > unmistakable, as is his love for truth, no matter what, at least as > he sees it and no one should ever be blamed for that. > > It has always pained me to my core to hear/read Shri Rao talk rather > negatively about contemporary jyotishis in India and elsewhere -- but > though originally astounded and dumb-founded the more I see, the more > I see what he has talked about when he talks about the 'jyotish' > scenario! > > It is up to all of us, one and all, successful or not, high or low on > the ladder, accomplished or not, to question, question and question > and if someone low or high gets upset or insulted by that or attacks > us -- well obviously we have pressed some buttons rightly and > prevented those from getting complacent and rusted! > > As PVR says, May Jupiter's LIGHT shine upon us, one bulb at a time! > > RR > > , vattem krishnan > <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > Dear Friends, > > In my contacts with Shri K.N.Rao at his residence I always found > him not very happy to volunteer for making any prediction .certainly > through paraasara light he makes a chakra on his own computer and > assigns an Id but never gave yes or no immediately to problems.we > all know his theory and principles of jyotish were never found > wanting and in some cases hea made revealing forecasts which > normal,ordinary astrologer would not have made. > > But to us as his students and discipels he always advised to be > systematic and also pragmatic.he insisted that accuracy of data is > always to be checked and tested.somehow he always felt that in 85% of > cases data accuracy was questionable that makes predictions go > awary.ceratinly he was never comfortable with the the success rate of > predictions. > > So if this could be the feeling we as novices and always with > several if and buts always safe to depend on parrots from accuracy > point of view than to count on individual abilities.it is not that > principles of jyotish are wrong.our predictive techics need > refinement.This will always be a question mark and we need to be > dediacted to the cause even if we feel and convince that jyotish can > hand out 60--65% > > of correct predictions.the safe bet ceratinly nature's gift in a > parrot.this should not be controversial issue how ever good and bad > our forecasts abilities appear to be > > krishnan > > auromirra19 <nalini2818@> wrote: > > Rishiji, > > Sad isnt it, but true. though I would refute that we are both in > the > > same rung of the ladder. I am far down and all others are way up > and > > I have vertigo! and confusion to confound it. > > It all started innocently, I read a few files/posts/articles of > > learned members in the fora. Now I am back to where I started. Why > is > > this? Where have I gone wrong? I hate to be "all sound and fury" > but > > no susbtance. But I dont give up, shall prod on, let it take this > > lifetime. > > Regards > > Nalini > > , rishi shukla > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > The parrot is a good learner. > > > Us beginners in Jyotish not so good as parrots so we > > > get confused with ayanamshas, the nodes, the vargas, > > > the dasha years ..the list can go on merely > > > illustrative and not exhaustive. > > > So there we go again, counting the stars in the skies > > > till eons. > > > regards > > > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > --- crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > I hate it when it comes to duel between the psychic > > > > parrot or the pot- > > > > bellied astropundit! The parrot in some instances > > > > may be more > > > > accurate, demands fewer resources, a few fistfuls of > > > > bengal gram, a > > > > few pecks at the gulabi amrud and a few handfuls of > > > > green chillies as > > > > opposed to the pundit (let us not go there, > > > > please!)--- In > > > > , rishi shukla > > > > <rishi_2000in@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > True, Sir, but that exactly is the point, either > > > > you > > > > > predict through a set of principles or you predict > > > > > through intutive methods. The prediction through a > > > > set > > > > > of principles need an understanding of the > > > > principles > > > > > and when a variety of views float, which is but > > > > > natural then confusion gets compounded. > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > --- crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rishi ji and interested others, > > > > > > > > > > > > As Shri K.N. Rao ji has expressed on Ben's list > > > > a > > > > > > few times and I > > > > > > hope I am not quoting him incorrectly or out of > > > > > > context: The only > > > > > > true test for jyotish and jyotishi is through > > > > > > prediction and only > > > > > > through consistently correct predictions. To > > > > which I > > > > > > add -- who needs > > > > > > further proof or discussion and only silence can > > > > > > prevail! > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes -- difficult to impossible for most of us > > > > but > > > > > > something to strive > > > > > > for by those who respect and admire Mr. K.N. > > > > Rao. > > > > > > > > > > > > rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > "rishi_2000in" > > > > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Welcome, naliniji, to the club wherein > > > > realities > > > > > > and shadows merge > > > > > > > and create confusion for beginners like us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is so interesting that while various > > > > approaches > > > > > > to Jyotish can > > > > > > > glibly explain the same chart accurately in > > > > > > various forms, its > > > > > > still > > > > > > > contending with major issues > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > Rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > "auromirra19" > > > > > > > <nalini2818@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -[Om Namo Narayanaya] > > > > > > > > Dear Divya, > > > > > > > > When it comes to learning or knowledge, age > > > > is > > > > > > no criterion. I > > > > > > > > welcome your advice. Yes I have been mixing > > > > up > > > > > > too many things. I > > > > > > > > thought it prudent to start my study of > > > > jyotish > > > > > > diligently, > > > > > > > > systematically on a particular muhurta. I > > > > shall > > > > > > certainly , as > > > > > > > > advised by you start only from the > > > > > > basics/classics. > > > > > > > > I did read a couple of articles/lectures of > > > > > > learned members in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > fora, both of Jaimini and Parashara. The > > > > > > assimilation part was > > > > > > ok, > > > > > > > > should have slotted them in the respective > > > > > > places but > > > > > > > inexperienced > > > > > > > > that I am, have bungled. And you know the > > > > net > > > > > > result, confusion. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > God Bless > > > > > > > > Nalini > > > > > > > > -- In , > > > > Divya > > > > > > <touchbase_divya@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Naliniji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What I am writing is little off the > > > > topic of > > > > > > discussion. > > > > > > Also, > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > am no expert on the topic. But, being a > > > > beginner > > > > > > student myself, > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > am able to understand why you are feeling > > > > > > confused. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The topic of discussion was whether Rahu > > > > and > > > > > > Ketu have > > > > > > > aspects. > > > > > > > > > You felt that since Ketu is described as > > > > > > Mokshakaraka, it > > > > > > must > > > > > > > > be important. Also you wondered if it is > > > > > > considered as a planet > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > all. Later you have also added the word > > > > Chara > > > > > > Karaka. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we should go step by step. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is important is - What is a Graha > > > > and > > > > > > what forms the > > > > > > > basis > > > > > > > > of aspects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why did you feel that being a Karaka, is > > > > > > related to aspects? > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > thought Karaka was a separate topic. Are we > > > > not > > > > > > mixing up too > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > things? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The reason I wrote the earlier mail > > > > (asking > > > > > > you to > > > > > > > concentrate > > > > > > > > more on the word Graha rather than 'planet') > > > > > > was, that I feel > > > > > > > > sometimes the English words (which do not > > > > > > exactly fit) take our > > > > > > > line > > > > > > > > of thought in a different direction. Later > > > > they > > > > > > cause more > > > > > > doubts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But, if we concentrate on 'Graha', their > > > > > > nature, why Rahu - > > > > > > > Ketu > > > > > > > > are called Chaya Graha, also their nature, > > > > then > > > > > > it is a little > > > > > > > > easier to grasp the concept. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, one thing I have realised (the > > > > hard > > > > > > way) is that if I > > > > > > > > study basics first and then read the > > > > comments of > > > > > > learned members > > > > > > > > here, I am able to learn and understand > > > > better > > > > > > than if I try the > > > > > > > > other way round. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I thought I'll share my experience with > > > > you. > > > > > > If there's > > > > > > > anything > > > > > > > > you didn't like, then being elder to me, > > > > please > > > > > > forgive it as my > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > > > > > > Terms of > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Messenger with Voice. 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