Having Guru in the 5th.RESEARCH - 4/4/06-4

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Dear asutosh,

 

well it is within that spirit, scope u also mentioned we need to draw Guru not

condem it for all the ills facing the chart.

 

and as u also said classics also talk of Putra Shoka not putrika shoka when

Guru is in 5th, i find it ridiculous that some papers being represented in

dubbing Guru a malefic on every cont, house. when an approach like what we r

in is needed., w.r.t times they r having some impact and as my earlier threads

have said it is slow, preserver of order,v alues, right path no compromises and

as such less prosperous or black money. all wealth is righeous means as long as

Guru is unaflicted.and u have also said similar things.

 

 

and many have some problem or the other if 12th house is also aflicted not

otherwise as 12th is 8th to 5th and otehr aflicitons esp timing of dasa must

suit it.

 

in other cases they r fine children do well and live indiferent places,

overall relationship prety smooth.

 

I also agree with u on with other planets it is good and he enhances their

energies too

except in SUKRA's case. as there is conflict betwen the spiritual and

materialsitic trains of them.

 

it gives a lot of finiacial strength, status, assets a rich spouse but....

i will mail u, arjun, krishnan personally not on group as u do help people

more and request not to use it as I am hhere is like a nuke bomb.

 

 

abt mine as u said the from early days i had made up my mind if i succed well

in life will adopt a child, so the earliest book I read on adoption was in

80-81 that gave hint was Bhavartha ratnakara by raman i read it from a library

don't have it still

later sanketha nidhi in my guru's place don't have a copy still

and the missing links on Hindu astrology- in it one book Gopala ratnakara

deals with it same way

Gulika in 11th adoption I have it

 

[personally I, love kids have given intense care to 23 children from my 5th

yr to now and have enjoyed every bit of them and have no desire for my own

anytime]

4 siblings after me, 8 cousins and 2 nephews and 1 niece, 8 tenants kids]

 

 

astrologerashutosh <astrologerashutosh wrote: Dear Prashant,

 

You have summarised very well that one way or the

other, jupiter reduces the benefits of fifth house.

 

Your horoscope, along with all others you have provided, is very

interesting. The noticeable factor is the conjunction of jupiter-saturn in

fifth house, and both are retrograde. Your are presently going through a

favorable period of marriage. If you are apprehensive about passing on the

genes to next generation, you can go for adoptions, if you feel comfortable

with it.

 

Your horoscope shows that you will be very comfortable with adoptions.

 

One major factor which have noticed in people who had jupiter in

fifth is that, in most such cases, the male child brought pain and grief to

them, not the female child. Jupiter expects unusually high moralistic behaviour

from children and does not tolerate any human weaknesses.

 

Jupiter alone is more harmfull than when it is with planets like sun,

venus, mars and moon. Venus effectively controls the malefic influence of

jupiter in fifth.

 

 

Regards,

 

Ashutosh

 

 

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Prashant Kumar G B

Tuesday, 04 April, 2006 17:32

Re: Having Guru in the 5th.RESEARCH - 4/4/06-3

 

 

Dear Asutosh,

 

sorry again it is 5th but typed it as 4th i use Parashara Lught ver 6.0,

this was a typing mistake. [this time read every word a few times]

 

I did not doubt the gen theory or ur abliities; but only the theory that

Guru spoils his sign, even the aspected house etc

 

it is more like u said can bring some grief or sons not staying with them

kind more than no children.

 

my grandfather data.

 

22-8-1916. 14.16 at 17 40 N, 82 37 E Narsapur AP.

Dhanur Lagna, Guru in Mesha.

 

he has 9 living children 3 daughters and 6 sons, the 2nd his favourite

-tormented him in his last yrs-even took him to court. threw him out of his

own estate.

 

next his 1st grandson

 

27/9/54, 6.11 pm Hamsavaram 17 21, 82 33

Meena Lagna Guru in Kataka.

has a son only who survived a car crash where both parents died mother on

the spot he 4 days later.

 

male

17/06/66, 21.31, 17 21 , 82 33

Kumbha, Guru in Mithuna

 

has a son only. but had 3 misscarriages b4.

 

male

31-2-54, 5.51 am BANGALORE HAS 2 SONS

Makara Lagna, Guru in Vrushaba

is running sani-guru now for over a decade told him when this period

comes none of them will live with him irrespective of his riches both sons r

NRI's.

 

this man has 7 other siblings 6 have Guru in 5th [ this one has in Lagna

has an adopted girl]. rest have natural sons and daughters.

 

so we can provide many charts either way there can be some grief or

Putra shoka associated with children esp sons, including denial with other

relevant factors playing their part.

 

 

I am born on 5/8/61, 9.16 am, Madras

and have Guru in 5th with sani but single want to defer till I

can.[being an albino did want to make sure that unless the odds r limited if

not eliminated in passing it to next generation we must stay away from family

set ups, lineage etc]

 

But i know many with same lagna includuing Philips India -CEO who has

same combination with sons.many charts of the same period date lagna also have

sons. so my case must not be a reason for no sons itself again.

 

Prashant

 

astrologerashutosh <astrologerashutosh wrote: Dear

Prashant,

 

I do not know which software you are using, but in

this horoscope, 8th july 1974, 13.20, Delhi, the lagna is libra, but

moon-jupiter are in fifth house in aquarius.

 

Different planets act differently for men and women. Mars

excites and increases the reproductive capabilities in men, while, in women,

its aspect can weaken the uterus' ability to hold on the embryo.

 

I have done a lot of research on this topic. I am not

challenging anyone's astrological knowledge, but the efforts are to clarify

the effects of jupiter in fifth house and the reasons why it has been called

as "bhavnashak" by seers.

 

You will not find a more zealous researcher than me. I

believe something only when it is found to be applicable and correct.

 

 

Regards,

 

Ashutosh

 

 

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Prashant Kumar G B

Tuesday, 04 April, 2006 16:20

Re: Having Guru in the 5th.RESEARCH path is important

4/4/06-2

 

 

Dear asutosh,

 

I am sorry about the 3rd chart yr I used was `wrong i used 72

instead of 74, stand corrected. as reearch must be verified for every detail

and sorry that i missed this.

 

other 2 charts i check and found them ok.

chart 3 : 8/7/74 @ 13.20 hrs, Delhi

 

Tula lagna, Jupt in 4th with Moon?

 

Here as I see the role of Guru has only helped the issue here as he

still aspects the 5th lord satn.

 

loss of a few by misscarriage is due to Merc also being 12th lord

 

and as said in Abhinav Mishras' reply when 5th lord goes to satrun,

or MErc sign children r an issue, with some effort, in many cases no

children.

 

I had quoted 4 classics to support it there also.

 

and if the aspect of Mars on the 5th affects a women and not a man I

am surprised is the `putra shoka' just a womens sin? doesn't the man also

siffer some grief, emotional pain so it has to reflect in man's chart also.

in woen as she delivers the child either live or dead adds more to it.

 

Robert Hauck whom I had quoted has analysed every memeber of a

family in his research to draw the same result did not find one and fit the

rest to present his case.

 

he quotes how if a maraka planet corsses a Eclipse point death

occurs [a nearest eclipse and wheneveer the maraka corosses it] it can take

yrs, but has to cross it.

this will dismiss Prof Yeshpal Sharma who ridicules Indian astrology

does eclipses kill people never no scripture said so [it does affect people in

someway in +ve constellations good happen and -ve ones evil results].

 

no, it does when the time for it arises.

 

*-*-*

 

I am adding this part below as u have ben analysing many charts and

helping people, I am sure u wud have seen this point too. they can plan some

events in family to keep their paternal circles wishes fulfilled in the time

they have.

 

back to chart 3 briefly for whatever reason I said he will seperate

it still stands strangely 26-11-06 to 20-4-09 can see some set backs to

paternal circles even death.

but between 20-4-9 to 23-4-12 cansee his marriage in trouble as it

is also Ashtama shani time as well and dissaster to happen some role of

Ardha ashtama, ashtama or 7 1/2 sani must be there to aid it.

 

I had quoted other aspects also in my mail on abhinava Mishra and

Guru in gen pl write back even to personal ID no problemm.

 

 

Prashant

 

astrologerashutosh <astrologerashutosh wrote: Dear

Prashant,

 

We all are aware that wife's horoscope is

needed under such circumstances. But, the main topic was of jupiter in fifth

in any individual's horoscope. There is a lot in astrology and a lot deeper

one can go. But, a wise person can still infer much from the given details

only.

 

Re-check the horoscopes which you are getting out of the

birth details I gave. You have got two of them wrong. All these horoscopes

are of men, husbands. Mars' aspect on fifth is harmfull for childbirth in the

horoscope of a woman not a man.

 

Anyway, I never wanted to get into this argument, but as I

have commited the folly of jumping in fire, I must feel the heat too.

 

Quoting myself: Of course, there are other factors

responsible along with the jupiter in fifth, like the position of planets in

other vargas, the fifth lord's placement, etc. But, all the so called blind

beliefs in jupiter's beneficience have been proven wrong.

 

Why is no one is reading full messages here, word by

word. Arguements for the sake of arguements can go endlessly.

 

 

This is my last post on this topic.

 

 

Regards,

 

Ashutosh

 

 

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Prashant Kumar G B

Tuesday, 04 April, 2006 11:28

Re: Having Guru in the 5th house...RESEARCH path is

important 4/4/06-1

 

 

Guru-Bashing in 5th

The right path to research is give full details like

birth details of the wife as well, dates like married on, miscarriage/s,

anyone or two other events in their life with a date. Without more data to

work on can limit myself to this much.

 

 

17th march 1972, 17.20. Delhi,

 

Well there has to be appropriate time for any event to

happen, dasha, transit support and also other factors w.r.t 5th house,

karaka etc.

 

 

 

Here I see him having a child between 12-6-06 and 12-10-07,

the delivery can be when JUPT is transiting JUPT and in trine to Natal Moon,

and Venus in whose start JUPT is.

 

 

28th april 1972, 15.00, Delhi

 

It is so obvious there will be miscarriages here, Mars

aspecting by 8th aspect the 5th house and its lord, karaka Jupiter.

 

In Bhava Rahu+Guru r there together, I am sure many works

will support the same reading.

 

 

8th July 1974, 13.20, Delhi

 

HERE IT IS SO OBVIOUS

 

Here it is Tula Lagna and Guru in 3rd? and Guru takes the

cross!

 

The 5th lord Satn in 8th with 8th lord

5th house aspected by sani from the 8th house

and Mars from 10th house by 8th aspect.

I also feel inspite of the hard way children have come to

this man his marriage is likely to end between 8-6-7 to 6-2-10, thes eeds

can be sown between 2/7/06 to 8-6-7.

I assume this man is an electronic, electrical

engineer.or working in such places.

 

 

AND GURU ALONE IS THE CULPRIT NONE OF THE other points?

Even a partial acknowledgement that other factors r there and yet it is in

the basket of Guru's malefic nature.

 

I HAVE NOT SAID RESEARCH IS NOT GOOD, I SAY IN THE NAME

OF RESEARCH ALL WILD THINKING MUST NOT GET SUJBECT IN DISARRAY.

 

PLEASE LOOK AT ROBERT HAUCK'S ASTROLOGY OF DEATH, the way

he has done research, like wise CEO Carter, we need research like the

westerners do a comprehensive look at a chart no piecemeal effort.

 

I remember in ICAS Group discussions people in back

benches talking about a women's chart if Mars+Venus was there "why does she

need marriage..! (impish laughs)" when anxious parents wanted to know when

their daughter will get married. Is this research are all Mars+venus women

whores?

RESEARCH FOR RESEARCH SAKE IS AS BLIND AS SUPERSTITIONS

ARE, IT MUUT BE OPEN AND FRANK ON ALL ASPECTS.

RESEARCH MUST BE COMPREHENSIVE IN ALL ASPECTS ALL HOUSES,

LORDS SHIPS YOGAS, GOCHARA, STRENGHTS ETC. IN SOME DETAIL and the point

emphasized in any research head must be highlighted.

MR. A V Sundaram of Madras IIT did some research on

infidelity in various walks of life including IIT and brought his wife along

to the discussion too just in case people doubted his work, that he was also

a pervert that is how he came to know some close details of others.

 

I would welcome readers to write on this if my view of

research is not fair.

 

 

Prashant

 

 

astrologerashutosh <astrologerashutosh wrote:

Dear Tatvam and all,

I am giving some birth details of men where jupiter in fifth house

has caused child-birth related problems.

 

1. 17th march 1972, 17.20. Delhi,

 

Married since last four years, no kids despite best efforts. Notice

jupiter in its own sign.

 

2. 28th april 1972, 15.00, Delhi,

 

Married since last ten years, first son born after two

miscarriages, second son born after two miscarriages again. Jupiter in own

sign in fifth.

 

3. 8th July 1974, 13.20, Delhi,

 

First conception ended up in miscarriage, second one ended when

the embryo mysteriously dissolved into the uterus. The third conception,

done under astrological guidance, was successfull last year. The child, a

boy, is healthy.

 

This last case has similarities with Abhiram Mishra's case. Even

the horoscopes have some similarities. I have many other such cases in my

database. Whatever statement I give is based upon my experiences and

observations in my daily practice as an astrologer.

 

 

Of course, there are other factors responsible along with the

jupiter in fifth, like the position of planets in other vargas, the fifth

lord's placement, etc. But, all the so called blind beliefs in jupiter's

beneficience have been proven wrong.

Regards,

 

Ashutosh

 

 

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Tatvamasi

Monday, 03 April, 2006 20:59

Re: Having Guru in the 5th house....Sad commentry

 

 

Friends,

I found some sly remarks by a member about researchers of

today.

Please remember that everything which is written is not

always right and everything that present day people research is not wrong.

 

When I say Bhava Nasha Karo Jeeva, it also means a father

having Guru in 5th bhava might have a son but it is possible that he would

never get along well or stay away from son/vice versa.

I would sight an example,

Male

DOB: 12th June 1949 , at 14.00 hrs, Sholapur.

He has a son and two daughters.

He cannot see eye to eye with son and a daughter. Son has

lived away from him since last six years .

 

Thus Guru plays a role here in different capacity.

 

I wish people tread all that I have to post before branding

terms in astrology.

 

Tatvam-Asi

 

astrologerashutosh <astrologerashutosh wrote:

Dear K.Gopu,

 

Guru in fifth house is only one of the several factors which can

give child-birth related problems. We are looking for astrological

explanations here. The bio-medical reasons are known to all.

 

Scepticism is okay, but one should also keep in mind the whole

purpose of the discussions. This is an astrological group, remember?!!

 

 

Ashutosh

 

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K Gopu

Monday, 03 April, 2006 16:40

Re: Having Guru in the 5th house

 

 

dear ashutosh ji,

I fail to understand as to why only guru in 5th should

cause noprogeny? 5th house if it is afflicted may lead to delayed or no

progeny. today in our country IVF(in vitro fertilisation) clinics/hoslitals

are increasing.

People who go to these clinics, will there 5th house be

badly afflicted, it has to be studied. and in case of Sri abhiram mishra, if

the fifth house is strong in his wife's chart then definitely she can give

birth to a child. Unexplainable miscarriages are rejection of the paternal

cells by the mother, this is based on immunorejection theory. this is one of

the reason they say for which some degree of successful treatment is

available.

Undoubtedly adopting a child is a very noble

proposition.

 

my good wishes to shri abhiram mishra to be blessed

with a child.

k.gopu

 

 

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