astro A Bonds hindering <promoting, I say!> spiritual progress

[Guest guest]

Surya,

 

I realize what you are saying and in the worldly reality, the analogy

and framework works. But though bliss must be experience by one in

the worldly realm, it may not come from it!

 

Just as periods of awake reality and dream reality are part of all

human experience, so also carnate reality and spiritual reality are

part of the SOUL EXPERIENCE. It is all about the present point of

power and present point of awareness/attention.

 

In the end cost and gratis are the two sides of the same coin.

 

When someone willingly gives alms to a beggar, or a pan-handler, the

side of the same coin facing the giver represents cost, while the

other face facing the receiver represents gratis, gift, gain.

 

But both sides represent bliss and joy. For different reasons, the

giving of the coin represents the same joy to both parties, the giver

and receiver, for very different reasons!

 

RR

 

 

, "surya" <dattapr2000

wrote:

>

> If anything is given freely, it will not have any value. But once

its

> value or worth is realised after putting enough effort then only we

> will enjoy the bliss and do not misutilise it also.

>

> We will give Rs 100/- note to a child, when he realises the worth

of

> hundred rupees. Otherwise he will mis-utilise it and may get

destroyed

> also. If bliss is free, the whole creation would have been in

bliss,

> which means sinners also will be in bliss. The fruit of sin is

> sufferance which only brings realisation. Instead of that if you

give

> him bliss he will continue to do sins for which others will

suffer.it

> means others bliss will get disturbed.

>

> Nothing is free. If lord gives bliss freely, people treat Him as

fool.

> But He is wiser than the wisest.

>

> at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

> surya

> www.universal-spirituality.org

>

> "crystal pages" <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >

> > Bliss must come without a price/cost or it would not be bliss!

> > It would be called payment!

> > Work need not be a *chore* always or for all.

> > Work can be blissful too!

> > Been there done that!

> > As I am sure all can relate to, I am sure on this august forum!!

> >

> > RR

>

[Guest guest]

dear sirs

 

The most serious sin done in this world is forgetting the Lord who

gave so many facilities in this world without any selfishness.

Eventhough people are praying the Lord, their love is with

selfishness only. The love is not true if selfishness exists. There

is no light if darkness exists. Therefore the human being is

committing this greatest sin and is receiving the result of this sin

in this life itself because the sin is so serious! However, the

atheists are going to be punished in the upper world only for this

greatest sin. The reason is that they are used to examine the faith

of the devotees of the Lord. A devotee should not be misled by

seeing the happy life of an atheist in this world.

 

at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

surya

www.universal-spirituality.org

 

vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

>

> how come we term some as sinner.Are they the people find no

descrmination between good and bad.sometimes the perspectve of good

also changes.At that time why do we forget sinner?There is no

hardline drawn between them.may be due to maya that makes us blind

folded to overlook issues,can't we exercise caution and ward of sins

not to become a sinner

> krishnan

[Guest guest]

Surya,

 

I see that you talk of 'The Lord'. This is your firm belief or a

simplification. Is there only one God? Then how come all religions

define different ones. At least one religion defines more than one.

 

While simplifying, this one lord concept can be confusing too to many

forum members.

 

Perhaps before we talk about what the lord wants and so on, let us

hear about the lord himself. How would you describe/define this lord?

I realize that words will fail and thought would meet its limitations

soon because it would be like the brain understanding itself and

perhaps even more complex than that.

 

But how can we be sure that the lord wants and expects all these

things you write about from us, when we are not even sure about the

definition of this lord or how many are there and what they look like

etc. Often described in the image of man/woman or other finite shapes

and forms that we see, none of these descriptions sound real and even

a bit contrived and patronizingly coming from those who think they

know better than others.

 

So, you will be more effective in your mission if you begin at the

beginning and before telling us what God wants us to do, etc -- first

tell us about God and then we will deal with our sins and

deficiencies by the mathematical function of subtraction!

 

Hopefully you are willing to help us ...

 

RR

 

 

 

 

, "surya" <dattapr2000

wrote:

>

> dear sirs

>

> The most serious sin done in this world is forgetting the Lord who

> gave so many facilities in this world without any selfishness.

> Eventhough people are praying the Lord, their love is with

> selfishness only. The love is not true if selfishness exists. There

> is no light if darkness exists. Therefore the human being is

> committing this greatest sin and is receiving the result of this

sin

> in this life itself because the sin is so serious! However, the

> atheists are going to be punished in the upper world only for this

> greatest sin. The reason is that they are used to examine the faith

> of the devotees of the Lord. A devotee should not be misled by

> seeing the happy life of an atheist in this world.

>

> at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

> surya

> www.universal-spirituality.org

>

> vattem krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote:

> >

> > how come we term some as sinner.Are they the people find no

> descrmination between good and bad.sometimes the perspectve of good

> also changes.At that time why do we forget sinner?There is no

> hardline drawn between them.may be due to maya that makes us blind

> folded to overlook issues,can't we exercise caution and ward of

sins

> not to become a sinner

> > krishnan

>

[Guest guest]

dear friends

 

i had been there in the life of nivrutti and have experienced the

bliss in samadhi state both in the himalayas and in the concrete

jungle of delhi, but chose to walk backwards to pravritti and remain

in the midst of the suffering and make as many people happy as i can

in my limited capacity. so what all sermons am preaching here are

practiced.

 

any person who is in nivritti would never come into the internet, so

one can blindly construe that we all discussing various things in

the net are at best only in pravritti.

 

in fact as suryaji rightly pointed out, swami vivekananda even after

attaining nivritti, did not keep quiet and have been serving the

humanity in his own pravritti ways.

 

surya ji, you have been preaching liberally to worship guru or

surrender to guru. may i request you to kindly prefix the

word "sat" to guru as only a "sat guru" is equated to god. these

days there are so many bogus godmen pretending as gurus and have

seen several people in delhi who left their jobs and families and

joined the ashrams to serve these bogus gurus and only after few

years they achieved "guru realisation" by which time everything is

lost both materially and spiritually. there is such a godman in the

south to whom hundreds of beautiful girls left their education, jobs

and families to serve that godman. some FIRs and investigations are

going on to liberate those who surrendered themselves to those gurus.

 

as regards labelling someone as sinner, it smacks ignorance. no one

can brand others as sinners. you are the best judge and your future

is in your own hands. you are god. in the higher planes of

metaphysics, there is no difference between good and bad and both

god and devil is one.

 

the subject of spirituality and god, good and bad is unending, for

the same god is permeating and pervading in all sentient beings.

great is the one god, wise men see him as many.

 

as written once in the previous posts, if a person speaks truth in

mind, word and deed, god dwells in his word and whatever he says

becomes truth. so, the best way to bring god into your every action

is to speak truth always and at all times.

 

may jupiter's light shine on all.

with best wishes and regards

pandit arjun

 

 

, vattem krishnan

<bursar_99 wrote:

>

> sir,

> how come we term some as sinner.Are they the people find no

descrmination between good and bad.sometimes the perspectve of good

also changes.At that time why do we forget sinner?There is no

hardline drawn between them.may be due to maya that makes us blind

folded to overlook issues,can't we exercise caution and ward of sins

not to become a sinner

> krishnan

>

> surya <dattapr2000 wrote:

> If anything is given freely, it will not have any value. But

once its

> value or worth is realised after putting enough effort then only

we

> will enjoy the bliss and do not misutilise it also.

>

> We will give Rs 100/- note to a child, when he realises the worth

of

> hundred rupees. Otherwise he will mis-utilise it and may get

destroyed

> also. If bliss is free, the whole creation would have been in

bliss,

> which means sinners also will be in bliss. The fruit of sin is

> sufferance which only brings realisation. Instead of that if you

give

> him bliss he will continue to do sins for which others will

suffer.it

> means others bliss will get disturbed.

>

> Nothing is free. If lord gives bliss freely, people treat Him as

fool.

> But He is wiser than the wisest.

>

> at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

> surya

> www.universal-spirituality.org

>

> "crystal pages" <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >

> > Bliss must come without a price/cost or it would not be bliss!

> > It would be called payment!

> > Work need not be a *chore* always or for all.

> > Work can be blissful too!

> > Been there done that!

> > As I am sure all can relate to, I am sure on this august forum!!

> >

> > RR

>

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[Guest guest]

Blisss in this worldly reality......a moment of time where there is

neither sorrow nor joy nor expectations nor desire, but then it is

more of a function of the energy or soul and cannot be quantified or

measured.....

 

, "crystal pages"

<jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> Surya,

>

> I realize what you are saying and in the worldly reality, the

analogy

> and framework works. But though bliss must be experience by one in

> the worldly realm, it may not come from it!

>

> Just as periods of awake reality and dream reality are part of all

> human experience, so also carnate reality and spiritual reality

are

> part of the SOUL EXPERIENCE. It is all about the present point of

> power and present point of awareness/attention.

>

> In the end cost and gratis are the two sides of the same coin.

>

> When someone willingly gives alms to a beggar, or a pan-handler,

the

> side of the same coin facing the giver represents cost, while the

> other face facing the receiver represents gratis, gift, gain.

>

> But both sides represent bliss and joy. For different reasons, the

> giving of the coin represents the same joy to both parties, the

giver

> and receiver, for very different reasons!

>

> RR

>

>

> , "surya" <dattapr2000@>

> wrote:

> >

> > If anything is given freely, it will not have any value. But

once

> its

> > value or worth is realised after putting enough effort then only

we

> > will enjoy the bliss and do not misutilise it also.

> >

> > We will give Rs 100/- note to a child, when he realises the

worth

> of

> > hundred rupees. Otherwise he will mis-utilise it and may get

> destroyed

> > also. If bliss is free, the whole creation would have been in

> bliss,

> > which means sinners also will be in bliss. The fruit of sin is

> > sufferance which only brings realisation. Instead of that if you

> give

> > him bliss he will continue to do sins for which others will

> suffer.it

> > means others bliss will get disturbed.

> >

> > Nothing is free. If lord gives bliss freely, people treat Him as

> fool.

> > But He is wiser than the wisest.

> >

> > at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

> > surya

> > www.universal-spirituality.org

> >

> > "crystal pages" <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Bliss must come without a price/cost or it would not be bliss!

> > > It would be called payment!

> > > Work need not be a *chore* always or for all.

> > > Work can be blissful too!

> > > Been there done that!

> > > As I am sure all can relate to, I am sure on this august

forum!!

> > >

> > > RR

> >

>

[Guest guest]

exactly!

And even if it may be experienced in the same 'reality' it may not

arise in the same reality!

 

Kind of like enjoying imported foods!

 

RR

 

, "rishi_2000in"

<rishi_2000in wrote:

>

> Blisss in this worldly reality......a moment of time where there is

> neither sorrow nor joy nor expectations nor desire, but then it is

> more of a function of the energy or soul and cannot be quantified

or

> measured.....

>

> , "crystal pages"

> <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >

> > Surya,

> >

> > I realize what you are saying and in the worldly reality, the

> analogy

> > and framework works. But though bliss must be experience by one

in

> > the worldly realm, it may not come from it!

> >

> > Just as periods of awake reality and dream reality are part of

all

> > human experience, so also carnate reality and spiritual reality

> are

> > part of the SOUL EXPERIENCE. It is all about the present point of

> > power and present point of awareness/attention.

> >

> > In the end cost and gratis are the two sides of the same coin.

> >

> > When someone willingly gives alms to a beggar, or a pan-handler,

> the

> > side of the same coin facing the giver represents cost, while the

> > other face facing the receiver represents gratis, gift, gain.

> >

> > But both sides represent bliss and joy. For different reasons,

the

> > giving of the coin represents the same joy to both parties, the

> giver

> > and receiver, for very different reasons!

> >

> > RR

> >

> >

> > , "surya" <dattapr2000@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > If anything is given freely, it will not have any value. But

> once

> > its

> > > value or worth is realised after putting enough effort then

only

> we

> > > will enjoy the bliss and do not misutilise it also.

> > >

> > > We will give Rs 100/- note to a child, when he realises the

> worth

> > of

> > > hundred rupees. Otherwise he will mis-utilise it and may get

> > destroyed

> > > also. If bliss is free, the whole creation would have been in

> > bliss,

> > > which means sinners also will be in bliss. The fruit of sin is

> > > sufferance which only brings realisation. Instead of that if

you

> > give

> > > him bliss he will continue to do sins for which others will

> > suffer.it

> > > means others bliss will get disturbed.

> > >

> > > Nothing is free. If lord gives bliss freely, people treat Him

as

> > fool.

> > > But He is wiser than the wisest.

> > >

> > > at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

> > > surya

> > > www.universal-spirituality.org

> > >

> > > "crystal pages" <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Bliss must come without a price/cost or it would not be bliss!

> > > > It would be called payment!

> > > > Work need not be a *chore* always or for all.

> > > > Work can be blissful too!

> > > > Been there done that!

> > > > As I am sure all can relate to, I am sure on this august

> forum!!

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

And then there may be moments when it touches this

same 'reality', like a brilliant seven colored

rainbow..only for this reality, the rainvbow

disappears; but for the energy, the soul, this rainbow

continues in perpetuity.....am I right?

 

--- crystal pages <jyotish_vani wrote:

 

> exactly!

> And even if it may be experienced in the same

> 'reality' it may not

> arise in the same reality!

>

> Kind of like enjoying imported foods!

>

> RR

>

> ,

> "rishi_2000in"

> <rishi_2000in wrote:

> >

> > Blisss in this worldly reality......a moment of

> time where there is

> > neither sorrow nor joy nor expectations nor

> desire, but then it is

> > more of a function of the energy or soul and

> cannot be quantified

> or

> > measured.....

> >

> > , "crystal

> pages"

> > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Surya,

> > >

> > > I realize what you are saying and in the worldly

> reality, the

> > analogy

> > > and framework works. But though bliss must be

> experience by one

> in

> > > the worldly realm, it may not come from it!

> > >

> > > Just as periods of awake reality and dream

> reality are part of

> all

> > > human experience, so also carnate reality and

> spiritual reality

> > are

> > > part of the SOUL EXPERIENCE. It is all about the

> present point of

> > > power and present point of awareness/attention.

> > >

> > > In the end cost and gratis are the two sides of

> the same coin.

> > >

> > > When someone willingly gives alms to a beggar,

> or a pan-handler,

> > the

> > > side of the same coin facing the giver

> represents cost, while the

> > > other face facing the receiver represents

> gratis, gift, gain.

> > >

> > > But both sides represent bliss and joy. For

> different reasons,

> the

> > > giving of the coin represents the same joy to

> both parties, the

> > giver

> > > and receiver, for very different reasons!

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > >

> > > , "surya"

> <dattapr2000@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > If anything is given freely, it will not have

> any value. But

> > once

> > > its

> > > > value or worth is realised after putting

> enough effort then

> only

> > we

> > > > will enjoy the bliss and do not misutilise it

> also.

> > > >

> > > > We will give Rs 100/- note to a child, when he

> realises the

> > worth

> > > of

> > > > hundred rupees. Otherwise he will mis-utilise

> it and may get

> > > destroyed

> > > > also. If bliss is free, the whole creation

> would have been in

> > > bliss,

> > > > which means sinners also will be in bliss. The

> fruit of sin is

> > > > sufferance which only brings realisation.

> Instead of that if

> you

> > > give

> > > > him bliss he will continue to do sins for

> which others will

> > > suffer.it

> > > > means others bliss will get disturbed.

> > > >

> > > > Nothing is free. If lord gives bliss freely,

> people treat Him

> as

> > > fool.

> > > > But He is wiser than the wisest.

> > > >

> > > > at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

> > > > surya

> > > > www.universal-spirituality.org

> > > >

> > > > "crystal pages" <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Bliss must come without a price/cost or it

> would not be bliss!

> > > > > It would be called payment!

> > > > > Work need not be a *chore* always or for

> all.

> > > > > Work can be blissful too!

> > > > > Been there done that!

> > > > > As I am sure all can relate to, I am sure on

> this august

> > forum!!

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Methinks that it is only of late...in terms of

infinite time...when the human population of the world

crossed the number of 64 crores of Gods which dharma

envisages. Otherwise, we could say one person, one

god...each person has a personal God.

regards

rishi

 

--- crystal pages <jyotish_vani wrote:

 

> Surya,

>

> I see that you talk of 'The Lord'. This is your firm

> belief or a

> simplification. Is there only one God? Then how come

> all religions

> define different ones. At least one religion defines

> more than one.

>

> While simplifying, this one lord concept can be

> confusing too to many

> forum members.

>

> Perhaps before we talk about what the lord wants and

> so on, let us

> hear about the lord himself. How would you

> describe/define this lord?

> I realize that words will fail and thought would

> meet its limitations

> soon because it would be like the brain

> understanding itself and

> perhaps even more complex than that.

>

> But how can we be sure that the lord wants and

> expects all these

> things you write about from us, when we are not even

> sure about the

> definition of this lord or how many are there and

> what they look like

> etc. Often described in the image of man/woman or

> other finite shapes

> and forms that we see, none of these descriptions

> sound real and even

> a bit contrived and patronizingly coming from those

> who think they

> know better than others.

>

> So, you will be more effective in your mission if

> you begin at the

> beginning and before telling us what God wants us to

> do, etc -- first

> tell us about God and then we will deal with our

> sins and

> deficiencies by the mathematical function of

> subtraction!

>

> Hopefully you are willing to help us ...

>

> RR

>

>

>

>

> , "surya"

> <dattapr2000

> wrote:

> >

> > dear sirs

> >

> > The most serious sin done in this world is

> forgetting the Lord who

> > gave so many facilities in this world without any

> selfishness.

> > Eventhough people are praying the Lord, their love

> is with

> > selfishness only. The love is not true if

> selfishness exists. There

> > is no light if darkness exists. Therefore the

> human being is

> > committing this greatest sin and is receiving the

> result of this

> sin

> > in this life itself because the sin is so serious!

> However, the

> > atheists are going to be punished in the upper

> world only for this

> > greatest sin. The reason is that they are used to

> examine the faith

> > of the devotees of the Lord. A devotee should not

> be misled by

> > seeing the happy life of an atheist in this world.

>

> >

> > at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

> > surya

> > www.universal-spirituality.org

> >

> > vattem krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote:

> > >

> > > how come we term some as sinner.Are they the

> people find no

> > descrmination between good and bad.sometimes the

> perspectve of good

> > also changes.At that time why do we forget

> sinner?There is no

> > hardline drawn between them.may be due to maya

> that makes us blind

> > folded to overlook issues,can't we exercise

> caution and ward of

> sins

> > not to become a sinner

> > > krishnan

> >

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Who is Lord?

As per definition in Veda, Lord or God is who does the creation of

the universe, maintaining (ruling or Sthithi) and destroy (Layam).

All the three will be done by only one God and this is satisfied in

Lord Dattatreya or Datta. Hence we follow Lord Dattatreya. Through

His three faces (creation through Brahma face, maintaining through

Vishnu face and destroying through Shiva face) He only does all

these three.

 

Veda says three characteristics for Lord

1) Satyam Jnanam Anantam Brahma He can preach 'true infinite

knowledge'.

2) Rasovaisah (epitome of Love) means by His preaching He generates

love (devotion) towards Him

3) Anando Brahma (epitome of bliss) by His preaching He gives bliss

to the devotees.

 

4) and can perform miracles

 

Of all these, Knowledge is the topmost which was never told by

demons but they have shown miraculous powers. Ofcourse Lord can show

His power also. My main idea of saying is that Lord is omnipotent

and an individual soul is only a part of creation. But such an

omnipotent lord comes in human form like Rama, Krishna, Shridi sai,

Jesus, Prophet, Paramahamsa etc. and preaches the divine knowledge.

Human beings have to identify Him and serve Him to please.

 

Krishna in Bhagavat Gita told 'Vaasudeva Sarvamidam ...', which

means son of Vasudeva (He is referring to Himself) is only the total

Lord. All the human beings are not the sons of Vasudeva. Also

anybody's son is not Vaasudeva. Hence Lord Krishna clearly stated

that He is only the Lord and there is nobody above Him whose

permission is required if He wants to grant a boon or punish a

sinner. Thus Lord Krishna in general is referring to the human

incarnation i.e., Lord in human form (or Satguru)as the final.

(Dharma samsthapanaardhaaye sambhavaami yuge yuge...)

 

I am disciple of His Holiness Shri Datta swami. The knowledge sofar

posted here and discussed is the knowledge preached by Him only. He

is the human incarnation. He has already preached a huge amount of

divine knowledge which is now being propagated all over the world.

There is a divine discourse of Swamiji covering all your questions

which is ~13 pages. How can i send the file to you?

 

Regarding the help you mentioned, that you will get in plenty.

 

at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

surya

www.universal-spirituality.org

 

"crystal pages" <jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> Surya,

> I see that you talk of 'The Lord'. This is your firm belief or a

> simplification. Is there only one God? Then how come all religions

> define different ones. At least one religion defines more than one.

>

> While simplifying, this one lord concept can be confusing too to

many forum members.

>

> Perhaps before we talk about what the lord wants and so on, let us

> hear about the lord himself. How would you describe/define this

lord? I realize that words will fail and thought would meet its

limitations soon because it would be like the brain understanding

itself and perhaps even more complex than that.

>

> But how can we be sure that the lord wants and expects all these

> things you write about from us, when we are not even sure about

the definition of this lord or how many are there and what they

look like etc. Often described in the image of man/woman or other

finite shapes and forms that we see, none of these descriptions

sound real and even a bit contrived and patronizingly coming from

those who think they know better than others.

>

> So, you will be more effective in your mission if you begin at the

> beginning and before telling us what God wants us to do, etc --

first tell us about God and then we will deal with our sins and

> deficiencies by the mathematical function of subtraction!

> Hopefully you are willing to help us ...

> > RR

[Guest guest]

dear friend

 

Lord in human form preaches the true knowledge. But miracles are

required to convert atheists into theists. Sometimes people approach

gurus, who show powers thinking to exploit those powers for their

selfish end. They want to use that power to cure some big diseases

of family members, to get solutions of their long-standing family

problems etc. Such people are not bothered of Lord but concentrate

on His power. They are in hurry to get their problems solved. They

will finally end up in such people, who in turn loot them.

 

When one is desirous of lord only without selfish intention, He will

definitely find Him (Satgur or Lord in human form) only. Our pious

desire attracts Him and our selfish bad odour repels Him Going to

Satguru (Lord in human form) is nor for erecting empires and

dynasties on earth, in which case we are not eligible to go near to

Him. Like any real disciple expects a Satguru, a Satguru expects a

Sath-sishya (real devotee), who wants to serve Him without any

desire.

 

Mostly people love Lord for their desires to be fulfilled. If

something goes wrong or if things are out of control then we rush to

lord and start prayers etc. This devotion is like a prostitute

loving her customer. If one really loves Lord without any desire,

then only Lord will be pleased. When a beggar approaches us, we

generally offer him whatever is least useful to us. But, when a

relative comes to our house, we provide him with good food,

facilities and even ask him to stay for some more time. Why is the

difference in our approach? Beggar comes to us for what we give. He

is not having any love on us. Whereas a relative has not come for

our food and facilities, he has come to see us. This shows the love.

So, our approach to Lord should be with love and affection as

relative but not like beggar, who approaches us only for satisfying

the desires. We should not worship lord only to satisfy our desire.

Prayers by words, meditation by mind and intelligence in spiritual

discussions form a preliminary level of worship. The devotee should

search for a Satguru or Lord in human form (like Jesus, Krishna and

Prophet Mohammed) to learn the divine knowledge. After gaining the

divine knowledge from the Lord in human form, at His directive only

he should participate in His service in the mission.

 

His mission is to uplift the human beings by preaching the divine

knowledge. Service consists of donating money and physically

participating in His mission of divine knowledge propagation. Such

real service is the only proof of our real love towards Lord. We are

serving our family by spending hard earned money for them and also

serving physically. Where as when we come to Lord, we express our

love by prayers, meditation and spiritual discussions only, which

are given freely by Lord to everybody.

 

Hence God is not even comparable to family members but in prayers we

project Him on top.

 

at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

surya

www.universal-spirituality.org

 

"panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004 wrote:

>

> dear friends

>

> any person who is in nivritti would never come into the internet,

so one can blindly construe that we all discussing various things

in the net are at best only in pravritti.

>

> in fact as suryaji rightly pointed out, swami vivekananda even

after attaining nivritti, did not keep quiet and have been serving

the humanity in his own pravritti ways.

>

> surya ji, you have been preaching liberally to worship guru or

> surrender to guru. may i request you to kindly prefix the

> word "sat" to guru as only a "sat guru" is equated to god. these

> days there are so many bogus godmen pretending as gurus and have

> seen several people in delhi who left their jobs and families and

> joined the ashrams to serve these bogus gurus and only after few

> years they achieved "guru realisation" by which time everything is

> lost both materially and spiritually. there is such a godman in

the

> south to whom hundreds of beautiful girls left their education,

jobs

> and families to serve that godman. some FIRs and investigations

are

> going on to liberate those who surrendered themselves to those

gurus.

>

> as regards labelling someone as sinner, it smacks ignorance. no

one can brand others as sinners. you are the best judge and your

future is in your own hands. you are god. in the higher planes of

> metaphysics, there is no difference between good and bad and both

> god and devil is one.

>

> the subject of spirituality and god, good and bad is unending, for

> the same god is permeating and pervading in all sentient beings.

> great is the one god, wise men see him as many.

>

> as written once in the previous posts, if a person speaks truth in

> mind, word and deed, god dwells in his word and whatever he says

> becomes truth. so, the best way to bring god into your every

action is to speak truth always and at all times.

>

> may jupiter's light shine on all.

> with best wishes and regards

> pandit arjun

[Guest guest]

Nivrutti starts after the entry of Lord in human form in one's life.

Regarding the points you have raised about gurus, first of all you

should be a sath-sishya and then expect a satguru. Amongst the

gurus, you have to identify the Satguru by the knowledge preached by

Him not by seeing miracles performed. even demons like Ravanasura

also performed miracles.

 

Vasistha told Jnana Vasistham, Krishna preached Gita, Sankara

preached Bhashyam, Jesus preached Bible, Prophet preached Quran.

They have simultaneously shown powers also.

 

When the work is possible through the process that follows the laws

of nature, supernatural power of God is not used. Only demons

exhibit the supernatural powers even if there is no necessity. They

want to draw the attention and attract the people for their name and

fame. Their aim is not to uplift the humanity. Such attraction

creates attention in the people. But it simultaneously creates

tension also. The realization and natural love (Devotion) cannot be

created in excited state of tension. The devotion should be

spontaneous and should be developed in the ground state only, which

alone is sweet. This entire universe is created by the Lord only for

tasting such real natural sweet devotion of devotees. The exhibition

of miracles always creates fear and tension and a natural flexible

state is not possible, in which only the sweet devotion can be

tasted. The tension will block your mind and you will not dare to

clear your doubts. It is not congenial for the growth and expansion

of divine knowledge. Unless there is a bare necessity the Lord will

not perform miracles. When the work is not possible through natural

phase, then only the supernatural power lightens. Even if the

miracle is performed the Lord will try to hide it so that the

natural state is balanced. When Lord Krishna covered the sun with

His divine wheel, He interpreted it as the cover of cloud. The

intention of the Lord is not self exhibition like a demon. The same

supernatural miracle performed by a demon is used for his self

projection. The Lord likes to be loved by the devotees without

exhibiting His supernatural wealth.

 

The son of a king who is good and humble likes to win the heart of a

girl without exposing his identity. He does not like to exhibit his

wealth to win her heart. Similarly the God likes to attract the

hearts of devotees by His divine knowledge which is His eternal

divine beauty. If the son of the king has no self-merit, he tries to

attract her by cheap exhibition of his identity and wealth. Thus a

demon like Satan tries to attract the human beings by cheap

exhibition of the supernatural powers and tries to convert them as

his devotees. Satan tried to attract Jesus by showing his kingdom.

Jesus attracted people by His divine knowledge. When it becomes

inevitable to do a miracle which cannot be hidden, the Lord tries to

neutralize the tension by exhibiting strong negative qualities. Lord

Krishna lifted the mountain and protected the villagers from the

rain. Such miracles cannot be hidden and misinterpreted. To bring

them to the normal state the Lord exhibited very strong Rajas and

Tamas like stealing butter and dancing with girls. In the case of

Lord Rama there was no necessity of such exhibition of miracles.

There was no need for Him to show the negative qualities. Thus the

Lord is associated with all the three qualities to be used wherever

and whenever necessary.

 

All the discoveries of science are only due to grace of God. The

computer technology is the gift from God to humanity. Some are

earning their livelihood through this technology. Livelihood is

essential and is the basis of the body, which is the instrument of

all spiritual efforts. This technology is used for the spiritual

service. Are you objecting the creator of this technology to use it

for His own work? You must be grateful to the Lord. You can use it

for your worldly purpose but you should atleast express your

gratefulness by using it for His service also. Every scientific

benefit is granted by God with primary purpose of using it in the

spiritual line only. Majority of top scientists believe in God and

accept their discoveries as the results of grace of God only. A

discovery is always experienced as an accidental incident like a

flash. It is not the result of the continuous hard work. During the

hard work a flash strikes to the brain of the scientist. The

scientist gets disgusted during his hard work and suddenly a flash

in the brain results in the discovery. If the discovery is the fruit

of hard work, it should naturally come at the end of the hard work

without any flash. Such flash is due to the grace of the Lord.

Almost all top scientists agree to this truth. Only a few egoistic

scientists do not agree to this.

 

at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

surya

www.universal-spirituality.org

 

"panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004 wrote:

> dear friends

> i had been there in the life of nivrutti and have experienced the

> bliss in samadhi state both in the himalayas and in the concrete

> jungle of delhi, but chose to walk backwards to pravritti and

remain in the midst of the suffering and make as many people happy

as i can in my limited capacity. so what all sermons am preaching

here are practiced.

>

> any person who is in nivritti would never come into the internet,

so one can blindly construe that we all discussing various things

in the net are at best only in pravritti.

>

> in fact as suryaji rightly pointed out, swami vivekananda even

after attaining nivritti, did not keep quiet and have been serving

the humanity in his own pravritti ways.

>

> surya ji, you have been preaching liberally to worship guru or

> surrender to guru. may i request you to kindly prefix the

> word "sat" to guru as only a "sat guru" is equated to god. these

> days there are so many bogus godmen pretending as gurus and have

>>

> may jupiter's light shine on all.

> with best wishes and regards

> pandit arjun

[Guest guest]

The rainbow finds its existence objectified and 'REALized' only in

human perception, Rishi, perhaps just as God does!

 

RR

 

, rishi shukla

<rishi_2000in wrote:

>

> And then there may be moments when it touches this

> same 'reality', like a brilliant seven colored

> rainbow..only for this reality, the rainvbow

> disappears; but for the energy, the soul, this rainbow

> continues in perpetuity.....am I right?

>

> --- crystal pages <jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> > exactly!

> > And even if it may be experienced in the same

> > 'reality' it may not

> > arise in the same reality!

> >

> > Kind of like enjoying imported foods!

> >

> > RR

> >

> > ,

> > "rishi_2000in"

> > <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Blisss in this worldly reality......a moment of

> > time where there is

> > > neither sorrow nor joy nor expectations nor

> > desire, but then it is

> > > more of a function of the energy or soul and

> > cannot be quantified

> > or

> > > measured.....

> > >

> > > , "crystal

> > pages"

> > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Surya,

> > > >

> > > > I realize what you are saying and in the worldly

> > reality, the

> > > analogy

> > > > and framework works. But though bliss must be

> > experience by one

> > in

> > > > the worldly realm, it may not come from it!

> > > >

> > > > Just as periods of awake reality and dream

> > reality are part of

> > all

> > > > human experience, so also carnate reality and

> > spiritual reality

> > > are

> > > > part of the SOUL EXPERIENCE. It is all about the

> > present point of

> > > > power and present point of awareness/attention.

> > > >

> > > > In the end cost and gratis are the two sides of

> > the same coin.

> > > >

> > > > When someone willingly gives alms to a beggar,

> > or a pan-handler,

> > > the

> > > > side of the same coin facing the giver

> > represents cost, while the

> > > > other face facing the receiver represents

> > gratis, gift, gain.

> > > >

> > > > But both sides represent bliss and joy. For

> > different reasons,

> > the

> > > > giving of the coin represents the same joy to

> > both parties, the

> > > giver

> > > > and receiver, for very different reasons!

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , "surya"

> > <dattapr2000@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > If anything is given freely, it will not have

> > any value. But

> > > once

> > > > its

> > > > > value or worth is realised after putting

> > enough effort then

> > only

> > > we

> > > > > will enjoy the bliss and do not misutilise it

> > also.

> > > > >

> > > > > We will give Rs 100/- note to a child, when he

> > realises the

> > > worth

> > > > of

> > > > > hundred rupees. Otherwise he will mis-utilise

> > it and may get

> > > > destroyed

> > > > > also. If bliss is free, the whole creation

> > would have been in

> > > > bliss,

> > > > > which means sinners also will be in bliss. The

> > fruit of sin is

> > > > > sufferance which only brings realisation.

> > Instead of that if

> > you

> > > > give

> > > > > him bliss he will continue to do sins for

> > which others will

> > > > suffer.it

> > > > > means others bliss will get disturbed.

> > > > >

> > > > > Nothing is free. If lord gives bliss freely,

> > people treat Him

> > as

> > > > fool.

> > > > > But He is wiser than the wisest.

> > > > >

> > > > > at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

> > > > > surya

> > > > > www.universal-spirituality.org

> > > > >

> > > > > "crystal pages" <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Bliss must come without a price/cost or it

> > would not be bliss!

> > > > > > It would be called payment!

> > > > > > Work need not be a *chore* always or for

> > all.

> > > > > > Work can be blissful too!

> > > > > > Been there done that!

> > > > > > As I am sure all can relate to, I am sure on

> > this august

> > > forum!!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Surya,

 

How does this Lord you described or your Swami described or Vedas

described (or all three did) differ from the GOD described and

followed by Christians, Jews and Muslims? And Buddhists, and Pagans

and how about those whose culture goes back even further back than

civilized scriptures as we know them, the religion of the aboriginals?

 

Are you absolutely certain that all of these are praying to ONE GOD?

 

I will wait for your answer, but as you may have guessed -- you are

bright -- I have a follow-up question to your next answer ;-)

 

RR

 

, "surya" <dattapr2000

wrote:

>

> Who is Lord?

> As per definition in Veda, Lord or God is who does the creation of

> the universe, maintaining (ruling or Sthithi) and destroy (Layam).

> All the three will be done by only one God and this is satisfied in

> Lord Dattatreya or Datta. Hence we follow Lord Dattatreya. Through

> His three faces (creation through Brahma face, maintaining through

> Vishnu face and destroying through Shiva face) He only does all

> these three.

>

> Veda says three characteristics for Lord

> 1) Satyam Jnanam Anantam Brahma He can preach 'true infinite

> knowledge'.

> 2) Rasovaisah (epitome of Love) means by His preaching He generates

> love (devotion) towards Him

> 3) Anando Brahma (epitome of bliss) by His preaching He gives bliss

> to the devotees.

>

> 4) and can perform miracles

>

> Of all these, Knowledge is the topmost which was never told by

> demons but they have shown miraculous powers. Ofcourse Lord can

show

> His power also. My main idea of saying is that Lord is omnipotent

> and an individual soul is only a part of creation. But such an

> omnipotent lord comes in human form like Rama, Krishna, Shridi sai,

> Jesus, Prophet, Paramahamsa etc. and preaches the divine knowledge.

> Human beings have to identify Him and serve Him to please.

>

> Krishna in Bhagavat Gita told 'Vaasudeva Sarvamidam ...', which

> means son of Vasudeva (He is referring to Himself) is only the

total

> Lord. All the human beings are not the sons of Vasudeva. Also

> anybody's son is not Vaasudeva. Hence Lord Krishna clearly stated

> that He is only the Lord and there is nobody above Him whose

> permission is required if He wants to grant a boon or punish a

> sinner. Thus Lord Krishna in general is referring to the human

> incarnation i.e., Lord in human form (or Satguru)as the final.

> (Dharma samsthapanaardhaaye sambhavaami yuge yuge...)

>

> I am disciple of His Holiness Shri Datta swami. The knowledge sofar

> posted here and discussed is the knowledge preached by Him only. He

> is the human incarnation. He has already preached a huge amount of

> divine knowledge which is now being propagated all over the world.

> There is a divine discourse of Swamiji covering all your questions

> which is ~13 pages. How can i send the file to you?

>

> Regarding the help you mentioned, that you will get in plenty.

>

> at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

> surya

> www.universal-spirituality.org

>

> "crystal pages" <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >

> > Surya,

> > I see that you talk of 'The Lord'. This is your firm belief or a

> > simplification. Is there only one God? Then how come all

religions

> > define different ones. At least one religion defines more than

one.

> >

> > While simplifying, this one lord concept can be confusing too to

> many forum members.

> >

> > Perhaps before we talk about what the lord wants and so on, let

us

> > hear about the lord himself. How would you describe/define this

> lord? I realize that words will fail and thought would meet its

> limitations soon because it would be like the brain understanding

> itself and perhaps even more complex than that.

> >

> > But how can we be sure that the lord wants and expects all these

> > things you write about from us, when we are not even sure about

> the definition of this lord or how many are there and what they

> look like etc. Often described in the image of man/woman or other

> finite shapes and forms that we see, none of these descriptions

> sound real and even a bit contrived and patronizingly coming from

> those who think they know better than others.

> >

> > So, you will be more effective in your mission if you begin at

the

> > beginning and before telling us what God wants us to do, etc --

> first tell us about God and then we will deal with our sins and

> > deficiencies by the mathematical function of subtraction!

> > Hopefully you are willing to help us ...

> > > RR

>

[Guest guest]

Q) Where is the existence of all the deities (Devas)?

 

A) Veda says `Yavateervai Devataah' which means that all the deities

are present in Satguru who can preach the true meaning of Veda. In

this Mantra, Satguru is referred as Brahmana. Brahmana means the

Satguru who knows Brahman. Brahman means Veda. The Lord alone knows

the true meaning of Veda as said in Veda (Brahmavit Brahmaiva). The

Lord comes in human form and appears before the eyes of the human

beings here itself as said in Veda (Yat Saakshaat Aparokshaat).

Therefore such a human form of the Lord is the abode of all the

deities. Arjuna could see all the deities in the Viswa Roopa of Lord

Krishna. Arjuna saw the Viswaroopa with the help of `Divya Netra',

which is also called, as `Jnana Netra', which is the eye of

Knowledge. The eye of knowledge means Knowledge itself. The word

Deva means form of light. Light means the Sattvam quality and

Sattvam means `Jnanam' (Knowledge). Knowledge means the various

ideas made of awareness. The awareness is like gold and the various

ideas are like different golden ornaments.

 

Therefore the different deities mean the different feelings of the

human form of the Lord, which are different forms of His awareness.

The true knowledge of such Satguru is Brahma. His love, which rules

the devotees, is Vishnu. His anger to punish His devotees for their

ignorance is Rudra. His auspicious bliss, which does not change by

the worldly matters, is Shiva. His preaching is Saraswati. The Guru

Dakshina given to Him is Lakshmi. His super power is Parvati. His

capacity to finish His mission inspite of obstacles is Ganapati. His

courage without any fear is Hanuman. His severe anger to punish the

atheists is Veera Badhra. Removal of the dark ignorance by His

preaching is Surya. Enjoying the role through ignorance is Rama.

Attraction of the devotees is Krishna. Removal of the sins of His

devotees by transferring them on Him is Venkateswara. His ordering

capacity is Sastha. His nature to give the results to all the living

beings according to their deeds is the nine planets. Like this the

Satguru in human form is the composite of all the deities. Such

human form of Lord is coming in every human generation so that He is

not partial to a particular human generation only. The entire world

is in His body. There is nothing outside.

 

Everything is in the Satguru. People are worshipping the external

inert forms without knowing the real nature of Satguru. "Bahirmukha

sudurlabha" means that there is nothing in this external

world. "Antar Mukha Samaradhya" means that the internal form of the

human incarnation is the real Lord. The human body of the Lord

called as Satguru is the modification of Maya and He is Prakruti

itself. Such human body follows the rules of nature and is behaving

like any other human body, which is weak and is called as Lalita.

The word Lalita means the Prakruti which represents the human body

of the Lord and that is tender without any divine strength. There is

no other way than to worship the external form of human incarnation

because the internal form is beyond imagination. Therefore Lalita

(human body) is only the alternative to worship the Lord.

 

The Lord with human body is called Saguna Brahman, which means the

Lord associated with Guna (Quality). The quality is depending on the

substance only and is surrounding the substance. The super power

Maya is the root deity. The different forms of the Maya are the

different deities. Maya is called Para Sakthi, which means simple

awareness. The different forms of awareness are the different

feelings. These feelings are the different deities. Therefore the

Satguru (Lord) can show the form of any deity just by getting that

feeling. His will materializes as the form of the deity and you can

look Him as that deity. You must have firm faith on such Satguru and

this firm faith is the entire essence of your spiritual effort

(Sadhana). Surya (Sun) can remove only darkness but not the

ignorance. The Sun is the inert planet, which is a model for

ignorant people. As the Sun removes darkness, the Lord removes the

ignorance. Therefore the real deity form of Sun is the Satguru and

not the inert Sun. Such Satguru enlightens the intelligence as said

in Veda (Dheeyo yonah). Such Satguru is compared to the Sun

(Savita). The inert Sun can only remove sleep of the body but the

preaching of Satguru removes the ignorance that covers the

intelligence. Therefore it is told "Na Guroradhikam, Gurussakshaat

Parabrahma" i.e., nobody is greater than the Satguru and the Satguru

is the final Lord.

 

at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

surya

www.universal-spirituality.org

 

rishi shukla <rishi_2000in wrote:

>

> Methinks that it is only of late...in terms of

> infinite time...when the human population of the world

> crossed the number of 64 crores of Gods which dharma

> envisages. Otherwise, we could say one person, one

> god...each person has a personal God.

> regards

> rishi

[Guest guest]

In this world, people belonging to any religion think that their

religion only is the true religion. They think that the God of their

religion can alone give the salvation and the worship of that God

should be according to their religion only. They also condemn other

religions and invite people to convert people into their religion.

They do lot of work to establish their religion only in the entire

world which shows their ambition. It is just like Alexander's

ambition to make the entire world his kingdom. Alexander wanted to

extend his kingdom. But, even he returned back after fighting with

Porus (Purushotama) on seeing the loss of life in the battle. But,

the ambition of religious fanatics is not subsided on seeing any

amount of loss of life. Religion is considered to be backed with

spiritual knowledge and the religious people are expected to be free

from ambition. We can excuse ambition of any ignorant person like

Alexander. The heart of a religious fanatic will not change by any

amount of kindness or love expressed in the appeals. Such appeals

can change only the heart and the change in the heart is always

temporary. Change in the intelligence brought by knowledge based on

logic is always real and permanent.Intelligence (Buddhi) is

considered to be the driver of this body, which is like a chariot

running by the senses, which are like the horses. If the driver is

convinced, the entire chariot along with the horses is in the

correct path.

 

The terrorist will not change by love or kindness shown to him. He

becomes the terrorist due to the wrong knowledge that enters his

brain. He was convinced by that knowledge. That knowledge can be

changed only by the right knowledge. A diamond can only be cut by

another diamond. Similarly, one type of knowledge can only be

replaced by another type of knowledge. Then only, he will be

convinced and changed forever. So far, the trials made to change the

terrorist were beating around the bush and therefore, they did not

have much effect. This knowledge, which is given below, hits the

bird directly in the bush and so this should be spread all over the

world. Today, SRI GURU DATTA is giving the right knowledge to remove

the religious conservatism. I am giving the right knowledge taking

the Hindu terrorist as an example. But, the question put by me

applies to all the religious fanatics who become terrorists. If I

take the terrorists of other religions, they may misunderstand me,

thinking that I am criticizing their religion. Since I am born in

this Hindu religion, the fellow Hindus consider me as a Hindu. So,

Hindus consider me as their man and will also not misunderstand me.

Really, I do not belong to any religion. I belong to all religions

equally. Now, the real knowledge is explained here. I am in the role

of a foreigner talking with a Hindu terrorist.

 

Hindu terrorist: You will get salvation only if you worship God

Narayana. No other God can give salvation. Oh foreigner! Leave your

religion and accept my religion. You will get salvation; otherwise

you will go to hell.

 

Foreigner (Myself): I will certainly convert myself and become

Hindu. I will definitely worship God Narayana and get salvation.

But, one question. About 1000 years back, our country came to know

about India. Before that, our forefathers did not know about the

existence of India, not to speak of God Narayana. Therefore, my

forefathers could not worship God Narayana. It was not their fault

in not knowing God Narayana. Had they known God Narayana, atleast

some of them would have worshipped Him and got salvation. But, for

no fault of them, they had gone to hell. At that time, God Narayana

was introduced to all over India. So God Narayana was partial to

India and He is prejudiced. Therefore, you charge your own God

Narayana to prejudice? You are poking your eye with your own finger.

 

Hindu Terrorist: This defect applies to your religion also. Your

religious fanatics also say that those who did not worship your

religious God will go to hell. This blame is common in all the

religions.

 

Foreigner (Myself): Because this defect is present in all religions,

this defect cannot become merit. A defect is always a defect,

whether it is present in one person or in several persons. If this

defect is not cleared, Gods of all religions are blamed and so God

in general is blamed. Showing the defect in all is not the solution.

We have to prove that God in general is always impartial. That means

God of any religion should be impartial.

 

Hindu terrorist: When there is no solution, you have to neglect this

aspect.

 

Foreigner (Myself): But there is a solution. In all the religions,

the same God is worshipped in different forms. So, God in general

i.e., God in every religion is impartial. Since the same God

expressed Himself in different parts of the world at the very

beginning of this creation itself and gave the same message in

different languages, all the people got the equal opportunity from

the beginning of this creation. At no time, no part of the world was

favored particularly. Hence, Gods of all our religions i.e. God in

general, becomes impartial. Except this solution, there is no other

solution to solve this problem. Hence, this solution must be

accepted. In such a case, there is no need of conversion from one

religion to another religion. Since, the same syllabus of a

particular class is present in all the languages, there is no use of

changing the language. Even if the student changes the language, he

will be in the same class. All classes are present in all the

languages. So, you need not change the language at any stage. You

have to go from a lower class to the higher class in the same

language. Similarly, every religion contains the lower, higher and

highest levels of spiritualism. You can achieve the goal by rising

vertically to the higher level in your own religion. What is the use

of travelling horizontally by leaving your own religion and

accepting another religion? By doing so, you are at the same

distance from the goal.

 

I have given the Hindu terrorist as an example here. Please do not

forget that the same analysis applies to the terrorists (religious

fanatics) of all the other religions also.

 

at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

surya

www.universal-spirituality.org

 

"crystal pages" <jyotish_vani wrote:

> How does this Lord you described or your Swami described or Vedas

> described (or all three did) differ from the GOD described and

> followed by Christians, Jews and Muslims? And Buddhists, and

Pagans and how about those whose culture goes back even further

back than civilized scriptures as we know them, the religion of the

aboriginals?

> Are you absolutely certain that all of these are praying to ONE

GOD? I will wait for your answer, but as you may have guessed -- you

are bright -- I have a follow-up question to your next answer ;-)

>

> RR

[Guest guest]

{Om Namo Narayanaya}

Sri Suryaji,

When advocating sacrifice of wealth of all sorts where does the

question of 'wanting' enjoying bliss freely arise. Does God expect

something in return for the atmananda one derives when we chant his

name, when we give the hungry and the cold, food and clothes, when

we help an old person walking in the hot sun a ride in our car.

SWami Vivekananda was a great saint, he was a Sanyasi. He worked for

the order and propagated spirituality abroad. But what of the house

holder, he cannot be expected to do the same. Btw, is he idle? Is he

not performing the duties assigned? Is he not living by the name of

the Lord every moment, truly distressed in not being able to savour

it all the while? Is the householder not doing the duties without

expecting any returns? Do we raise our children because they will

look after us in our old age?

AS for donation as said earlier, is not giving to the needy, the

donation of the highest order? It is giving God Himself. That would

be the best act of Dharma, God would approve.

During the Tsunami, the homeless, hungry, nude masses needed only

three things most, food, clothes, shelter, and in that order. If the

act of giving them food and clothes gave you bliss, would God grudge

it? , say it is undeserved and theoritcal worship?

Of course not, for that is what God would do, and expect you to do.

If that bliss is theortical result, be it so. That Ananda is enough

to sustain the soul, for now.

Regards

nalini

{Om Namah Shivaya Namah Mallikarjunaya}

, "surya" <dattapr2000

wrote:

>

> why you want to enjoy the bliss continuously without doing

anything?

> Why you want bliss freely? What is that you will do in return to

make

> the lord happy. This leads to idle nature. Swami Vivekananda is a

> great saint. He identified the Satguru (Lord in human form i.e.,

> Paramahamsa)and realised & pleased the Lord. After realisation, He

did

> not sit idle and enjoyed the bliss.

>

> He participated in the divine knowledge propagation at the order

of

> His Satguru. He worked for 17-18 hours/day. The very nature of

Lord

> Datta is to donate. Lord is in bliss means, the true devotees who

> approached Him will be in bliss by attracting their sins on

> Himself.But He gives bliss to those devotees, who reached that

state

> where they participate in His mission without expecting anything

in

> return but not to all.It is a sacrifice in both the directions.

Lord

> enjoys the devotion (practical sacrifice of devotee)and devotee

enjoys

> the bliss given by Lord. Otherwise theoretical worships give

> theoretical results.

>

> at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

> surya

> www.universal-spirituality.org

>

> "panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> >

> > dear rishi ji

> >

> > as you observed rightly, the saga of visiting and revisiting is

> > never ending till the person is realised. once the person is

> > realised, he needs no more, knows no more, wants no more and

> > experience the eternal bliss.

>

[Guest guest]

You can identify Jesus also by the knowledge preached by Him. Veda

did not mention about the language, the dress, the place of

preaching. Divine knowledge is the content which is important.

 

Religion is like a medium of instruction and spirituality is the

curriculum. One can get doctorate degree through any medium and a

doctorate will be respected by all over the world equally. Thus we

should pursue to reach higher levels in spirituality in our own

religion. Nobody need not change his religion. Change of religion is

moving horizontally and moving to higher classes in spiritual

curriculum is moving vertically, which is only growth. Spirituality

is beyond religion. Infact any true divine preacher never confined

to any one particular religion, caste, creed etc, because all

require God.

 

at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

surya

www.universal-spirituality.org

 

"crystal pages" <jyotish_vani wrote:

> How does this Lord you described or your Swami described or Vedas

> described (or all three did) differ from the GOD described and

> followed by Christians, Jews and Muslims? And Buddhists, and

Pagans and how about those whose culture goes back even further

back than civilized scriptures as we know them, the religion of the

aboriginals?

>

> Are you absolutely certain that all of these are praying to ONE

GOD?

>

> I will wait for your answer, but as you may have guessed -- you

are bright -- I have a follow-up question to your next answer ;-)

> RR

[Guest guest]

Surya,

 

Though some may argue -- at least hindus believe that their

scriptures are the oldest in this time and space that we know as

reality.

 

If you disagree, then I would not throw a fit, because I cannot read

the AKASHIC records of lobsang rampa!

 

But if you do agree, and hindu scriptures are the oldest and wisest --

then how come they did not describe the religions that were coming

later on and changing the face of the world and so on?

 

Even Nostradamus was more vocal and outspoken than that!

 

RR

 

 

, "surya" <dattapr2000

wrote:

>

> You can identify Jesus also by the knowledge preached by Him. Veda

> did not mention about the language, the dress, the place of

> preaching. Divine knowledge is the content which is important.

>

> Religion is like a medium of instruction and spirituality is the

> curriculum. One can get doctorate degree through any medium and a

> doctorate will be respected by all over the world equally. Thus we

> should pursue to reach higher levels in spirituality in our own

> religion. Nobody need not change his religion. Change of religion

is

> moving horizontally and moving to higher classes in spiritual

> curriculum is moving vertically, which is only growth. Spirituality

> is beyond religion. Infact any true divine preacher never confined

> to any one particular religion, caste, creed etc, because all

> require God.

>

> at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

> surya

> www.universal-spirituality.org

>

> "crystal pages" <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > How does this Lord you described or your Swami described or Vedas

> > described (or all three did) differ from the GOD described and

> > followed by Christians, Jews and Muslims? And Buddhists, and

> Pagans and how about those whose culture goes back even further

> back than civilized scriptures as we know them, the religion of

the

> aboriginals?

> >

> > Are you absolutely certain that all of these are praying to ONE

> GOD?

> >

> > I will wait for your answer, but as you may have guessed -- you

> are bright -- I have a follow-up question to your next answer ;-)

> > RR

>

[Guest guest]

{Om Namo Narayanaya}

Suryaji,

I would differ, but leave alone all over the world, degrees some

times are not recognised in your own country. And I have known

places where, all you degrees, work experience painstakingly

acquired are not worth the ream of paper they are written on ,

whereas an infantile diploma in their own country would certainly

show you employment.

Each to their own,

Nalini

{Om Namah Shivaya Namah Mallikarjunaya}

, "crystal pages"

<jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> Surya,

>

> Though some may argue -- at least hindus believe that their

> scriptures are the oldest in this time and space that we know as

> reality.

>

> If you disagree, then I would not throw a fit, because I cannot

read

> the AKASHIC records of lobsang rampa!

>

> But if you do agree, and hindu scriptures are the oldest and

wisest --

> then how come they did not describe the religions that were

coming

> later on and changing the face of the world and so on?

>

> Even Nostradamus was more vocal and outspoken than that!

>

> RR

>

>

> , "surya" <dattapr2000@>

> wrote:

> >

> > You can identify Jesus also by the knowledge preached by Him.

Veda

> > did not mention about the language, the dress, the place of

> > preaching. Divine knowledge is the content which is important.

> >

> > Religion is like a medium of instruction and spirituality is the

> > curriculum. One can get doctorate degree through any medium and

a

> > doctorate will be respected by all over the world equally. Thus

we

> > should pursue to reach higher levels in spirituality in our own

> > religion. Nobody need not change his religion. Change of

religion

> is

> > moving horizontally and moving to higher classes in spiritual

> > curriculum is moving vertically, which is only growth.

Spirituality

> > is beyond religion. Infact any true divine preacher never

confined

> > to any one particular religion, caste, creed etc, because all

> > require God.

> >

> > at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

> > surya

> > www.universal-spirituality.org

> >

> > "crystal pages" <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > How does this Lord you described or your Swami described or

Vedas

> > > described (or all three did) differ from the GOD described and

> > > followed by Christians, Jews and Muslims? And Buddhists, and

> > Pagans and how about those whose culture goes back even further

> > back than civilized scriptures as we know them, the religion of

> the

> > aboriginals?

> > >

> > > Are you absolutely certain that all of these are praying to

ONE

> > GOD?

> > >

> > > I will wait for your answer, but as you may have guessed --

you

> > are bright -- I have a follow-up question to your next answer ;-)

> > > RR

> >

>

[Guest guest]

:-)

 

, "auromirra19"

<nalini2818 wrote:

>

> {Om Namo Narayanaya}

> Suryaji,

> I would differ, but leave alone all over the world, degrees some

> times are not recognised in your own country. And I have known

> places where, all you degrees, work experience painstakingly

> acquired are not worth the ream of paper they are written on ,

> whereas an infantile diploma in their own country would certainly

> show you employment.

> Each to their own,

> Nalini

> {Om Namah Shivaya Namah Mallikarjunaya}

> , "crystal pages"

> <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >

> > Surya,

> >

> > Though some may argue -- at least hindus believe that their

> > scriptures are the oldest in this time and space that we know as

> > reality.

> >

> > If you disagree, then I would not throw a fit, because I cannot

> read

> > the AKASHIC records of lobsang rampa!

> >

> > But if you do agree, and hindu scriptures are the oldest and

> wisest --

> > then how come they did not describe the religions that were

> coming

> > later on and changing the face of the world and so on?

> >

> > Even Nostradamus was more vocal and outspoken than that!

> >

> > RR

> >

> >

> > , "surya" <dattapr2000@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > You can identify Jesus also by the knowledge preached by Him.

> Veda

> > > did not mention about the language, the dress, the place of

> > > preaching. Divine knowledge is the content which is important.

> > >

> > > Religion is like a medium of instruction and spirituality is

the

> > > curriculum. One can get doctorate degree through any medium and

> a

> > > doctorate will be respected by all over the world equally. Thus

> we

> > > should pursue to reach higher levels in spirituality in our own

> > > religion. Nobody need not change his religion. Change of

> religion

> > is

> > > moving horizontally and moving to higher classes in spiritual

> > > curriculum is moving vertically, which is only growth.

> Spirituality

> > > is beyond religion. Infact any true divine preacher never

> confined

> > > to any one particular religion, caste, creed etc, because all

> > > require God.

> > >

> > > at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

> > > surya

> > > www.universal-spirituality.org

> > >

> > > "crystal pages" <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > How does this Lord you described or your Swami described or

> Vedas

> > > > described (or all three did) differ from the GOD described

and

> > > > followed by Christians, Jews and Muslims? And Buddhists, and

> > > Pagans and how about those whose culture goes back even

further

> > > back than civilized scriptures as we know them, the religion

of

> > the

> > > aboriginals?

> > > >

> > > > Are you absolutely certain that all of these are praying to

> ONE

> > > GOD?

> > > >

> > > > I will wait for your answer, but as you may have guessed --

> you

> > > are bright -- I have a follow-up question to your next answer ;-

)

> > > > RR

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

A poor man is suffering and poverty is the punishment given for the

previous sin committed by the soul. If such a poor person is helped,

it amounts to interference in the administration of God. The

punishment is given for a change and you need not sympathise it. The

parental love of the Lord is greater than your brotherly love. Only

the grace of God can end the punishment forever. Therefore you

preach divine knowledge and devotion and then assist that poor

person. The divine knowledge and devotion will bring a change in him

and you have served the purpose of the punishment. Then God is

pleased with you and also will show grace on that poor person. The

poverty will vanish forever. Therefore social service must be

integrated with spiritual mission.

 

Sankara told the same (Loka sevaka matha khandanam) and Mother

Theresa did the same. Mere social service is like a simple boarding

and lodging given to the hostel students without the primary

teaching in the classes. Therefore, the aim of terrorism gives only

temporary and apparent relief whereas the spiritual mission based

social work is a permanent solution. The discoveries of scientists

without any spiritual basis, which were expected to serve the

society, have harmed the society. If one reads, the latest

environmental science, it becomes clear.

 

> When advocating sacrifice of wealth of all sorts where does the

> question of 'wanting' enjoying bliss freely arise.

 

Sacrifice is not leaving a spoon of water at the end of some

worship. Because these fruits are not seen by eyes, the sacrifice

also is not real. True love concept can be understood if we

understand our love to our children. This completely involves

sacrifice. If one sweet is only there, mother sacrifices it to give

her child. Do you eat the sweet and then say 'love comes from

within' or you are sacrificing it for the sake of child.

 

LIkewise, parents physically serve to keep the child in happy mood.

These are practical method of pleasing which we do for our children.

Because we don't have true love on Lord, all these questions and

discussions arise. With this type of devotion, we expect Lord to

give all the worldly pleasures and finally liberation. It is gross

foolishness.

 

Worshiping is to the Lord in human form called human incarnation not

any X, Y or Z. This Lord has come in human form to uplift the

humanity. He should be identified by His special divine knowledge

preached by Him. Service is to that human incarnation not to anybody

else.

 

you care/serve for deprived, Love humanes, care for your next and

when any problem comes to you, go to them for solving your problem.

So where you have put efforts and money, there only you have to see

for the results but not at a different place. I mean do not approach

Lord for your problems. Approach human beings whom you have served.

Also remember, when you are serving human beings, who are equal to

you, there also it internally means you are servant to them. Where

as Lord in human form preaches special divine knowledge and does

miracles also to protect devotees. Normal human beings cannot do

anything.

 

Lord only has to uplift you but not the humanity. You do not have

any ego problem to serve such humanity but you do not want to serve

Lord in human form who can only really uplift you. Lord in any human

form (Jesus, Krishna, Adi sankara, Prophet mohammed etc..) did not

ask you to do the social service.

 

at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

surya

www.universal-spirituality.org

 

"auromirra19" <nalini2818 wrote:

>Does God expect something in return for the atmananda one derives

when we chant his name, when we give the hungry and the cold, food

and clothes, when we help an old person walking in the hot sun a

ride in our car.

> SWami Vivekananda was a great saint, he was a Sanyasi. He worked

for the order and propagated spirituality abroad. But what of the

house holder, he cannot be expected to do the same. Btw, is he

idle? Is he not performing the duties assigned? Is he not living by

the name of the Lord every moment, truly distressed in not being

able to savour it all the while? Is the householder not doing the

duties without expecting any returns? Do we raise our children

because they will look after us in our old age?

> AS for donation as said earlier, is not giving to the needy, the

> donation of the highest order? It is giving God Himself. That

would be the best act of Dharma, God would approve.

> During the Tsunami, the homeless, hungry, nude masses needed only

That Ananda is enough to sustain the soul, for now.

> Regards

> nalini

[Guest guest]

Surya,

 

How about those who take the vow of poverty voluntarily or those who

fast even though the fridge is full of food?

 

Modern human beings have a lot more choice over puritanical people.

This increased range of choices and options, voluntarily to be

engaged into, is an endorsement of what our forefathers have achieved

over hundreds of generations and not simply in one country or

another, or bounded by colour, race, gender or religion!

 

Overall, human beings of today have vastly more opportunities, more

options, more communication and sharing. It is true that individuals

still continue to face problems and no one is saying that it is a

perfect system yet -- BUT it is moving in the right direction,

regardless of what the doom-sayers and KALIYUGA-whiners are preaching!

 

Think for a moment! If you were in grade 1 or kindergarten, would the

TEACHER ask you difficult questions or would the TEACHER give you

really the WORKS in examination when you are in higher grades? OR in

UNIVERSITY?

 

It is so simple that I am surprised that I have to spell it out!

HUMAN BEINGS have progressed and are capable of handling more

difficult problems and situations and this is not a sign of failure.

IT is a sign of progress!!

 

Think about it!

 

RR

 

, "surya" <dattapr2000

wrote:

>

> A poor man is suffering and poverty is the punishment given for the

> previous sin committed by the soul. If such a poor person is

helped,

> it amounts to interference in the administration of God. The

> punishment is given for a change and you need not sympathise it.

The

> parental love of the Lord is greater than your brotherly love. Only

> the grace of God can end the punishment forever. Therefore you

> preach divine knowledge and devotion and then assist that poor

> person. The divine knowledge and devotion will bring a change in

him

> and you have served the purpose of the punishment. Then God is

> pleased with you and also will show grace on that poor person. The

> poverty will vanish forever. Therefore social service must be

> integrated with spiritual mission.

>

> Sankara told the same (Loka sevaka matha khandanam) and Mother

> Theresa did the same. Mere social service is like a simple boarding

> and lodging given to the hostel students without the primary

> teaching in the classes. Therefore, the aim of terrorism gives only

> temporary and apparent relief whereas the spiritual mission based

> social work is a permanent solution. The discoveries of scientists

> without any spiritual basis, which were expected to serve the

> society, have harmed the society. If one reads, the latest

> environmental science, it becomes clear.

>

> > When advocating sacrifice of wealth of all sorts where does the

> > question of 'wanting' enjoying bliss freely arise.

>

> Sacrifice is not leaving a spoon of water at the end of some

> worship. Because these fruits are not seen by eyes, the sacrifice

> also is not real. True love concept can be understood if we

> understand our love to our children. This completely involves

> sacrifice. If one sweet is only there, mother sacrifices it to give

> her child. Do you eat the sweet and then say 'love comes from

> within' or you are sacrificing it for the sake of child.

>

> LIkewise, parents physically serve to keep the child in happy mood.

> These are practical method of pleasing which we do for our

children.

> Because we don't have true love on Lord, all these questions and

> discussions arise. With this type of devotion, we expect Lord to

> give all the worldly pleasures and finally liberation. It is gross

> foolishness.

>

> Worshiping is to the Lord in human form called human incarnation

not

> any X, Y or Z. This Lord has come in human form to uplift the

> humanity. He should be identified by His special divine knowledge

> preached by Him. Service is to that human incarnation not to

anybody

> else.

>

> you care/serve for deprived, Love humanes, care for your next and

> when any problem comes to you, go to them for solving your problem.

> So where you have put efforts and money, there only you have to see

> for the results but not at a different place. I mean do not

approach

> Lord for your problems. Approach human beings whom you have served.

> Also remember, when you are serving human beings, who are equal to

> you, there also it internally means you are servant to them. Where

> as Lord in human form preaches special divine knowledge and does

> miracles also to protect devotees. Normal human beings cannot do

> anything.

>

> Lord only has to uplift you but not the humanity. You do not have

> any ego problem to serve such humanity but you do not want to serve

> Lord in human form who can only really uplift you. Lord in any

human

> form (Jesus, Krishna, Adi sankara, Prophet mohammed etc..) did not

> ask you to do the social service.

>

> at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

> surya

> www.universal-spirituality.org

>

> "auromirra19" <nalini2818@> wrote:

> >Does God expect something in return for the atmananda one derives

> when we chant his name, when we give the hungry and the cold, food

> and clothes, when we help an old person walking in the hot sun a

> ride in our car.

> > SWami Vivekananda was a great saint, he was a Sanyasi. He worked

> for the order and propagated spirituality abroad. But what of the

> house holder, he cannot be expected to do the same. Btw, is he

> idle? Is he not performing the duties assigned? Is he not living

by

> the name of the Lord every moment, truly distressed in not being

> able to savour it all the while? Is the householder not doing the

> duties without expecting any returns? Do we raise our children

> because they will look after us in our old age?

> > AS for donation as said earlier, is not giving to the needy, the

> > donation of the highest order? It is giving God Himself. That

> would be the best act of Dharma, God would approve.

> > During the Tsunami, the homeless, hungry, nude masses needed only

> That Ananda is enough to sustain the soul, for now.

> > Regards

> > nalini

>

[Guest guest]

God is truth. This means that God is infinite power. The creation is

just His imagination and is almost not true. The imagining person is

said to truly exist. The world, which is just His imagination and

which is completely not nothing. The world is made of an iota of

energy of God. God is like the infinite ocean of energy. Compared to

God the world is almost nothing. Thus this entire creation is under

the full control of God. Just like the person doing some imagination

creates an imaginary world in him, God created this imaginary world

in Him. The imagining person can fully control the world. He can

transform any item into any other item. He can raise a dead body in

His imaginary world. All the miracles of human incarnations can be

explained only by this concept.

 

God who is present in the human incarnation does all these miracles

only to establish this concept. If the world is equally true, then

the world is equally powerful to God. In such case God cannot do

whatever He likes. Since the world is least powerful and God is most

powerful, God controls the entire world like a very strong person

controlling very weak person. Thus the word truth indicates the

omnipotent nature of God. When we say that this world is not true,

it indicates the negligible power of the world. Suppose a small ant

is on your shirt, will you say that yourself and the ant are present

in the house? The ant is negligible and is treated as nothing.

Therefore, a person who knows this concept surrenders to God and

accepts Him as the saviour. In his eyes the entire world looks like

an ant before God. You are a tiny particle in this ant-world. You

can understand your position by putting a relative scale.

 

Assume that this ant is Infinite Ocean of energy. You are an iota of

that ocean. This means your power is negligible before the power of

this entire nature. The world is like the ocean and you are like a

drop in it. God is like the ocean and the world a drop in God. You

must understand this simile not in terms of volume but in terms of

the intensity of the power. When we utter the word God, we

immediately imagine Him as a very large figure with unlimited

boundaries. The space is largest but as no power as it is treated

has nothing. The atom bomb is very small but it has enormous power.

Therefore, our idea about God should not be in terms of the three-

dimensional space. When a person imagines a large city, the city is

very huge but the person is very small. But that small person has

created, maintains and finally dissolves this huge city. He can do

anything in this huge city. Infact He is standing outside this huge

city. When He wants to enter into this huge imaginary city, He will

imagine a small form and He identifies Himself with that form. That

small form represents the outside person. This imagined form, which

is identified by the outside person, is treated as the outside

person directly. This imagined small form is the human incarnation.

The outside person is God. The imaginary huge city is this world.

 

Thus God identifies Himself with the human incarnation. From this

angle the human incarnation and the God are one and the same.

 

After all these discussions, can you understand where the

intelligence of human stands in front of Lord's intelligence. Think

of it. Whatever intelligence is shown by Swamiji is just an iota of

His infinite intelligence. I have shared not even 1% of the

knowledge preached by Him.

 

at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

surya

www.universal-spirituality.org

 

"crystal pages" <jyotish_vani wrote:

> Overall, human beings of today have vastly more opportunities,

more options, more communication and sharing. It is true that

individuals still continue to face problems and no one is saying

that it is a perfect system yet -- BUT it is moving in the right

direction, regardless of what the doom-sayers and KALIYUGA-whiners

are preaching!

>

> Think for a moment! If you were in grade 1 or kindergarten, would

the TEACHER ask you difficult questions or would the TEACHER give

you really the WORKS in examination when you are in higher grades?

OR in UNIVERSITY?

>

> It is so simple that I am surprised that I have to spell it out!

> HUMAN BEINGS have progressed and are capable of handling more

> difficult problems and situations and this is not a sign of

failure. IT is a sign of progress!!

> > Think about it!

> > RR

[Guest guest]

Sastra says four parts of authority. 1) Veda (Sruti) 2) Verses which

follow the Veda (Smruti) 3) Yukti (reasoning) 4) Anubhava

(Experience in the world). The fourth part is very strong, which

gives validity to the other three parts. If the fourth is valid,

everybody in the world has to accept. The authority for the true

love is from the experience in the world. You are sacrificing work

and the fruit of your work to your children whom you really love.

Therefore these two are the ways of real love. Hence this concept

gets the final validity from the experience in the world. Your real

love to God also can be proved by such validity only. You are trying

to fool the Lord without practicing these two ways and by practicing

other false ways. Remember that Lord is the genius and knows

everything.

 

Just look at the sky. If you see the infinite number of galaxies,

which are created by Him and with which He is playing, you will

understand His intelligence and capacity. What is your foolish

intelligence before Him? You are chanting His name so many millions

of times. Did He ever reply by uttering a single word? When you call

anyone by his name, he is responding to you immediately. But such a

great Lord who has all the good manners is not responding to you

inspite of your millions of calls. Can't you understand by this, how

much angry He is with you and how much He hates you?

 

He is not after you for your love. You go on with your limited

family and rotate in this wheel of world. Who objected you? The Lord

never asked you to love Him. You yourself went to the Lord and you

want all the benefits from the Lord in this world and in the upper

world. But you want to achieve those benefits through exposure of

false love. You are trying to deceive Him and get those benefits. If

you go to any one and try to deceive Him, will he not be angry with

you? If you go in your way, no body interferes with you. You limit

to yourself and to your family and go for the enquiry in the upper

world and get the corresponding results. The Lord is not bothered

about you. You are after the Lord and trying for His grace. But you

are unable to show even a drop of the true love, which you possess

on your children. You want to sacrifice only words and mental

feelings to the Lord and want all the benefits from Him. By such

cheating you are making the Lord furious. If you really desire for

His real grace, you should show a little of your true love that is

shown on your children by sacrificing a little work and a little

fruit of your work.

 

In such case, the Lord will be equal to your child atleast to a

little extent though not to the full extent. You show atleast a drop

of your true love on the Lord. You put atleast one step in the true

path. What is the use of hundred steps in the false path? What is

the use of your infinite number of feasts to Me in the dream? You

give a handful of rice when you awake from the sleep. That is

sufficient. The first step in true path will lead Him to the true

goal in course of time. The first step in the true path is that, you

should atleast accept your false ways as false and accept the true

way, which I preach as truth.

 

Acceptance is the first step, which will gradually lead to the

practice. You want wealth for your words (prayers) from the Lord.

When the same Lord comes as a preacher He wants wealth (Guru

Dakshina) from you for His words (preaching). You have made this way

previously but now you are not following the same. Your words given

to God were only soaping the Lord. The wealth given by the Lord to

you was also temporary which you have to leave here itself. You are

not benefited in that relationship of Lord and Devotee. But now in

the way of preacher and disciple, you are benefited because by

giving Him your temporary wealth, you are receiving His words, which

will lead you to the permanent goal. In the first relationship, both

your words and the wealth given by Him are temporary. But in the

second relationship you are getting permanent goal for your

temporary wealth. Therefore you are wise only in the second

relationship. Therefore do not ask the temporary benefits like

wealth from the Lord but ask for the permanent knowledge. See the

Lord as a preacher and not as God. The right half of Lord Datta is

preacher (Guru) and the left half is God (Bhagavan). The right half

is always greater than the left half.

 

at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

surya

www.universal-spirituality.org

 

"auromirra19" <nalini2818 wrote:

> When advocating sacrifice of wealth of all sorts where does the

> question of 'wanting' enjoying bliss freely arise. Does God expect

> something in return for the atmananda one derives when we chant

his name, when we give the hungry and the cold, food and clothes,

when we help an old person walking in the hot sun a ride in our car.

> nalini

[Guest guest]

The circle ends or the circle begins again, the moment

you say that it is existing only in indivdual human

perception...

 

--- crystal pages <jyotish_vani wrote:

 

> The rainbow finds its existence objectified and

> 'REALized' only in

> human perception, Rishi, perhaps just as God does!

>

> RR

>

> , rishi

> shukla

> <rishi_2000in wrote:

> >

> > And then there may be moments when it touches this

> > same 'reality', like a brilliant seven colored

> > rainbow..only for this reality, the rainvbow

> > disappears; but for the energy, the soul, this

> rainbow

> > continues in perpetuity.....am I right?

> >

> > --- crystal pages <jyotish_vani wrote:

> >

> > > exactly!

> > > And even if it may be experienced in the same

> > > 'reality' it may not

> > > arise in the same reality!

> > >

> > > Kind of like enjoying imported foods!

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > ,

> > > "rishi_2000in"

> > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Blisss in this worldly reality......a moment

> of

> > > time where there is

> > > > neither sorrow nor joy nor expectations nor

> > > desire, but then it is

> > > > more of a function of the energy or soul and

> > > cannot be quantified

> > > or

> > > > measured.....

> > > >

> > > > ,

> "crystal

> > > pages"

> > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Surya,

> > > > >

> > > > > I realize what you are saying and in the

> worldly

> > > reality, the

> > > > analogy

> > > > > and framework works. But though bliss must

> be

> > > experience by one

> > > in

> > > > > the worldly realm, it may not come from it!

> > > > >

> > > > > Just as periods of awake reality and dream

> > > reality are part of

> > > all

> > > > > human experience, so also carnate reality

> and

> > > spiritual reality

> > > > are

> > > > > part of the SOUL EXPERIENCE. It is all about

> the

> > > present point of

> > > > > power and present point of

> awareness/attention.

> > > > >

> > > > > In the end cost and gratis are the two sides

> of

> > > the same coin.

> > > > >

> > > > > When someone willingly gives alms to a

> beggar,

> > > or a pan-handler,

> > > > the

> > > > > side of the same coin facing the giver

> > > represents cost, while the

> > > > > other face facing the receiver represents

> > > gratis, gift, gain.

> > > > >

> > > > > But both sides represent bliss and joy. For

> > > different reasons,

> > > the

> > > > > giving of the coin represents the same joy

> to

> > > both parties, the

> > > > giver

> > > > > and receiver, for very different reasons!

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ,

> "surya"

> > > <dattapr2000@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If anything is given freely, it will not

> have

> > > any value. But

> > > > once

> > > > > its

> > > > > > value or worth is realised after putting

> > > enough effort then

> > > only

> > > > we

> > > > > > will enjoy the bliss and do not misutilise

> it

> > > also.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > We will give Rs 100/- note to a child,

> when he

> > > realises the

> > > > worth

> > > > > of

> > > > > > hundred rupees. Otherwise he will

> mis-utilise

> > > it and may get

> > > > > destroyed

> > > > > > also. If bliss is free, the whole creation

> > > would have been in

> > > > > bliss,

> > > > > > which means sinners also will be in bliss.

> The

> > > fruit of sin is

> > > > > > sufferance which only brings realisation.

> > > Instead of that if

> > > you

> > > > > give

> > > > > > him bliss he will continue to do sins for

> > > which others will

> > > > > suffer.it

> > > > > > means others bliss will get disturbed.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nothing is free. If lord gives bliss

> freely,

> > > people treat Him

> > > as

> > > > > fool.

> > > > > > But He is wiser than the wisest.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

> > > > > > surya

> > > > > > www.universal-spirituality.org

> > > > > >

> > > > > > "crystal pages" <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Bliss must come without a price/cost or

> it

> > > would not be bliss!

> > > > > > > It would be called payment!

> > > > > > > Work need not be a *chore* always or for

> > > all.

> > > > > > > Work can be blissful too!

> > > > > > > Been there done that!

> > > > > > > As I am sure all can relate to, I am

> sure on

> > > this august

> > > > forum!!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > RR

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

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