Guest guest Posted April 18, 2006 Report Share Posted April 18, 2006 Dear asha we have seen this within our families too, as a brahmin and with a few relatives down the same road u said on the streets in sheer poverty one reason is most brahmins r ordinary income levels if they want to also their fate is itself too meagre I CAN GIVE YOU AN INSTANCE IN 1930's the founder of ANDHRA BANK an orphan disowned by all relatives was given shelter on the condition he change his religion he argued well if you feel my poverty will be assisted I will take it if you insist i chage my belief and remove my poverty HE SAID NO he got aid and paid back the church as he grew in life, this is all we expect from any one who helps us isn't it a friend or relative if there was one who help. and what i was saying the worn gside is the contempt the NEO OONVERTS HAVE not thefaith I habe very good christian friends and muslims the very reason for my computer svy or in gne life theyhave done a lot and they are normal the have faith and respect in our faith and we in theirs from childhood have gone to churches,as I do with temples I ask Muslims abot entry inMosques they refused as they ecpect non belivers not to be clean that is after urinating they have a different way of cleansing [they urinate ona brik or any such thing near the mosque] so they r not sure if we do same this is for India, Pak, B desh other areas no idea. and read my views on this I have appriciated all nobe souls from al faiths abdual satter eddhi of karachi desmond tuto of S., AFRICA the bishop in delhi for his name takes care of street children Sawmi agnivesh Sri Sri Ravi shankar did more for Pak quake than USA's aid untill they brough in military chopers.he is sibgle biggest doner. saty asai baba too has done a lot of poor in water, education, health amata amrutanadamayi etc the JAINS r too good esp mumbai rains oh god ASHA <asha wrote: -Prashant Kumarji, Probably you are right. But when there is nothing and nobody you will probably not mind praying to any God. I am a devout Hindu. But when I needed shelter with my little daughter-all Hindu charitable(so called) trusts refused shelter- because I was a married woman in their eyes-regardless I was on street. But a church and a muslim dargah managed to give me shelter.fed us with what was possible. I am a Brahmin-what use was that? May be some of you have not experienced being on streets literally. I have been there.Noone helped at all.I needed help to start working, again it was a Christian Organization which put me on my feet. They paid me 2500.00 for the artwork, but that was first real money I saw. Pls dont mind my saying this. If its hurt anyone s feelings I am sorry. regards asha -- In , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: > > Dear Asha, Arjun ji > > these cook and bull stories exist in all regions so no use counting on it. > I stuied in St Joseph's Bangalore where were told stories how in Nagaland they spread the light of the church in 6 yrs. > there are 48 hills in nagaland 48 dialects each one is told such story that christ walked somewhere there so each feels unique and none of the 48 see eye to eye or marriy or have any contact, as u r aware the Nagas r 100% christian and were 1st to ask for seperation or Indipendence from India even before 1947. > > Tamil Nadu's so called air of superiority comes form same source. thery were initially told they are dravidian race and aryans invaded and chased them down. > > and part of East India company job was to DESTROY SANSKRIIT, HINDUISM IN 100 yrs > they have destroyed sanskirt like in TN case > where in schools we are taught why use Jalam for water snanam fior bath use local words > even this election (May 06) u can hear that karunadni's family still uses Northern names like Karuna and Nidhi both sanskrit all his famly son, son-in-law nephews Dayanidi maaran all have sanskrit names. > > u will find tamil totally de-sanskritised. currtsy church as tamil had the 1st bible in Indian languages way back in 1640's > > like i said other day how africa is affected by civil war and poverty Asia and India being a sub continent is not ruled out esp with david Huttington's clash of civilisation projection and the DANISH CARTOON CONTROVERSY HAS Proved it is round the corner. > > ANY RELIOGION THAT preaches hate, intolerance of otehr faith even if they are hlping poor in food, water, education in the long frun is trouble like the political parties. we need strong faiths and respect for each irrespective of faith people can change in freewill not bought at 30k per conversion as in AP ,TN is the case. these people later willsell anyting for money. even national interests. > > > > > > ASHA <asha wrote: -there is a book about Jesus in Kashmir. its a paperback. > br > asha-- In , "panditarjun2004" > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > dear friend gopu > > > > it is my personal observation that i appreciated the way > > christianity was expanded. imagine a neglected interior in a > remote > > corner of the country where no government organisation nor any NGO > > is daring to go. for rules sake, there are hundred and one > > government schemes on the paper with crores of rupees allocation > for > > their development. the torchbearers of the hindu religion have > > forgotten the plights of them and the philanthrophers like Tatas > and > > Birlas also construct billions of rupees worth temples and > hospital > > in urban areas. who is there to help the neglected people living > in > > the jungles and remote villages. it is at this juncture where > > christian missionaries have been setting up SCHOOLS, HOSPITALS, > > CHURCHES and gave free clothing, education and medical treatment > in > > return for singing the praise of their lord jesus christ. i find > > absolutely no wrong in doing so. if a starving dying person is > fed, > > clotheed, sheltered and treated and in return asked to sing the > > praise of the god, there is no harm. > > > > only recenlty hindu organisations woke up to this fact and have > > started setting up some relief centres and development works for > the > > neglected people in jungles, hilly areas and remotest corners of > the > > country. > > > > my appreciation of the service of christians is only because of > > their practicing "karma marga" emulating "manav seva = madhav > seva" > > > > as you also pointed out, poverty is the rootcause of all > > conversions. if the god with one name (one religion) could not > > alleviate his poverty and the same god with another name (another > > religion) removes the poverty, what is the harm. > > > > by the way, very few people are aware of jesus christ's connection > > with kashmir and india and most of the real story is sensitive in > > nature. yes, if this hidden truth comes out, kashmir and india > > would become the most holiest place for all christians across the > > globe. i cannot share what all i knew about jesus and kashmir, > for > > i dont have documentary support. > > > > with best wishes and regards > > arjun > > > > , K Gopu <kgopu_24@> wrote: > > > > > > dear contributors, > > > while we are finding out the fanatic approach of the > > > christianity and also some mails talk about the > > > violent approach of Islam, at this juncture I wish to > > > share my views. conversion to christianity was > > > basically because of poverty and not of true devotion > > > to God of that particular religion. After converting > > > themselves they are indoctrinated to do as per the > > > sermons given by the pastor or mullah's. but in spite > > > of all these extreme approach still we have > > > individuals whom we should acknowledge as good souls. > > > For eg the promoter of this web site is a Muslim from > > > Bangla desh, he has developed faith in our religion > > > and he is doing a yeoman service. President abdul > > > kalam is quite conversant with Hindu scriptures. late > > > Ismail ( High court Judge) was well versed with > > > Ramayana and Mahabharatha. Unfortunately the numbers > > > in other religions are few to accept or have faith and > > > tolerance towards other religion. > > > > > > with good wishes, > > > k.gopu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? 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