astro A can't appreciate other Ayanamsha unless it can be used easily

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Yes Rishi

You are correct.

WE need to evolve ayanamsha that is compatible to different S/W today

available.

Lahiri, Raman, are being used by almost all including JH, Kundli...

JH 7.0 gives option of different Ayanamsha and these results are quite close

to each other.

One can't appreciate other Ayanamsha if the same does not fit into.

 

Regards

Rps

 

 

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rishi_2000in

Wednesday, April 19, 2006 10:05 AM

Re: Bhava Charts Vs Rashi charts

 

 

Pratap,

Ayanamsha has been a contentious issue amongst most learned of the

astrologers too.Mostly , the ayanamsha named as Chitrapaksha or

Lahiri ayanamsha is followed which was approved by the Indian

Government as a part of Rashtriya Panchang. There are several other

ayanamshas too including the Raman ayanamsha quite commonly used.

Most of these are within plus minus 3 degress of the Lahiri value.

Tarun Chopra claims an ayanamsa 12 degrees away from Lahiri.

It is again a personal experience of his.

regards

rishi

 

 

 

 

, Pratap Kaneria

<pkaneria wrote:

>

> Hi,

>

> I am also a student following your discussions about bhav all

day. If you allow me to pose a new question...

>

> I have come across just recently a new ayamansa proposed by

Tarun Chopra who claims with some proof that his ayamansa is most

accurate compared to the one's in use in present time. Everyone

knows, that accurate predictions depends on precise horoscope and

dasa calculations. If you investigate, you will find that Chopra's

ayamansa produces significantly different charts and dasas.

>

> Has anyone on this list investigated Tarun Chopra's proposal ?

>

> With regards,

>

> Pratap

>

> rishi_2000in <rishi_2000in wrote:

> Actually, I digressed, I am glad that Surya speaks from his

experiences.

> Your reply about spherical trigonometry made me look at another

point

> which has been there in the back of my mind. I am, however, sadly

> lacking in personally experienced positions, just a beginner in

this

> ocean of astrology. Doesn't stop me from imagining fancy conceptual

> designs! Thanks for tolerating the kids on the block regards rishi

> br>, "crystal pages"

> wrote:

> >

> > Perhaps, Rishi, but the clincher would in the end must be -- But,

> > does it?

> >

> > The original poster (Surya) has discovered that in his experience

> > bhava works better than rashi (or something like that). I have no

> > problem with his personally experience position in that matter.

Do

> > you? :-)

> >

> > RR

> >

> >

> >

> > , "rishi_2000in"

> > rishi_2000in@ wrote:

> > >

> > > RRji,

> > > And then the converse should also hold good, if in a part,

letus

> > say

> > > the navamsha, a 180 degree difference exists it can get

transposed

> > > to a 20 degree difference in the rashi chart, it actually

happens

> > in

> > > calculations.

> > > Logically, then the interpretations of a seventh house

relationship

> > > in navamsh should also be an interpretation for the

> > > 20/60/100/140/180/220/260/300/340 in the rashi chart?

> > > Your personal opinion sought,

> > > regards

> > > rishi

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , "crystal pages"

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Rishi,

> > > >

> > > > If you are asking my personal opinion then it has been

simple:

> > The

> > > > planetary system bears a remarkable resemblance to the

structure

> > of

> > > > an atom as science understands it. As above, so below. The

parts

> > > must

> > > > follow the pattern on which the whole is based. The progeny

must

> > > bear

> > > > resemblance to the progenitor.

> > > >

> > > > However, the truth as I see it may not be everyone's truth --

and

> > I

> > > > try not to get in their way! Why else would the map be made

so

> > > > complicated and so many paths to the same end-goal. I never

> > > question

> > > > that! After all I am not paying for the petrol!

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > > , "rishi_2000in"

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Tell me, Sir, when we delve in varga charts aren't we again

> > > > > mathematically fine tuning the zodiac particularly in

inter-

> > > > planetary

> > > > > relationship?

> > > > > regards

> > > > > rishi

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , "crystal pages"

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Congratulations! You are at the last stop and only one

> > > > uncertainty

> > > > > > remains, unless I misunderstood what you were saying.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Actually, assuming that I did not (misunderstand), you

sound

> > > > quite

> > > > > > strongly positive that you have indeed experienced in

your

> > > > studies

> > > > > > that bhava chart seems to yield a truer picture of human

> > > > experience.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > That is wonderful because now you are on firmer grounds.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Bhava represents dividing the zodiac in a more

geotopically

> > > > precise

> > > > > > and geotopically relevant perspective. This is exactly

what

> > > > > motivated

> > > > > > western/tropical astrologers to fine-tune and devise more

> > than

> > > a

> > > > > > dozen unequal divisions, each with a mathematical

> > > justification.

> > > > > Why

> > > > > > so many? One would ask!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The sripati paddhati is an averaging system, because it

> > > trisects

> > > > > two

> > > > > > reference points and gets three house cusps and then

three

> > > more.

> > > > > Some

> > > > > > of the other unequal divisions (e.g., Placidius used by

> > > > > > Krishnamurthi, Regiomontanus, Campanus, Zenith, East

Point

> > and

> > > > many

> > > > > > others that I used to remember in my young days but

haven't

> > > > looked

> > > > > up

> > > > > > in a few decades now) have more rigorous principles of

> > > spherical

> > > > > > trigonometry applied to those.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Once you have broken beyond the whole sign and equal

house

> > mind-

> > > > set

> > > > > > why stop at Sripati and not forge ahead further? Internet

> > must

> > > be

> > > > > > full of details about how to calculate those etc. and

you can

> > > > rely

> > > > > on

> > > > > > books by Meeus and Peter Duffett-Smith and the now

probably

> > out

> > > > of

> > > > > > print manual of mathematical programming for astrologers

by

> > > > Michael

> > > > > > Erlewine and many many other references.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If you ask, you will get umpteen opinions, which will at

the

> > > best

> > > > > not

> > > > > > satisfy you, and at the worst, confuse you and create

doubts

> > in

> > > > > your

> > > > > > mind. Doing and experiencing it directly is the way and

you

> > > have

> > > > > > already embarked on that path, it seems.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Bravo and keep up the good pace!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , surya vishnu

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Junta!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Been working on my astrology skills on the to follow

the

> > > > > > discussions on the group better ..

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The last stop being the significance of Bhava chart Vs

> > > Rashi

> > > > > > charts ... a thought occured to me that one of the

reason why

> > > > > > predictions go wrong is probably because the planet

positions

> > > on

> > > > > the

> > > > > > Bhava chart are different from the ones on Rashi charts?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Anyone who can throw light on this subject will be

warmly

> > > > > > appreciated ..

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Per what I could understand, I realise that Rashi chart

> > is

> > > > good

> > > > > > as long as u want to understand hte placement of a

planet in

> > a

> > > > > > particular Rashi ... however Bhava chart is more accurate

> > when

> > > > > house

> > > > > > related issues are to be judged ..

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In particular cases that I have seen (not extensive)

> > > Jupiter

> > > > in

> > > > > > 5th house for Virgo ascendant was expected to give a male

> > > > child ..

> > > > > > however in Bhava chart Jupiter slipped back to 4th house

and

> > > the

> > > > > > person involved has a female child for first issue ..

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In my own case, I have an exhalted Rahu in 11th house

of

> > > > Virgo

> > > > > > for scorpio ascendant ... however Rahu shifts to 12th

house

> > on

> > > > > Bhava

> > > > > > chart .. and Moon/Rahu sub dasa has been a mixed baggage

as

> > > > > expected

> > > > > > from Rahu in 12th house, it has however given me my

spiritual

> > > > > > perceptor (moon being 9th lord in 2nd) and fairly decent

land

> > > > > > possessions .. so the exhaltation of Rahu seems to stand

> > > however,

> > > > > > Bhava chart seems to be more accurate as to what the

planet

> > is

> > > to

> > > > > > deliver ....

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I have seen quite a few horoscopes in hte last few

months

> > > and

> > > > > > realised that bhava is very important for

predictions ....

> > but

> > > > what

> > > > > I

> > > > > > am struggling ot understand is the amount of importance

to be

> > > > given

> > > > > > to each of these charts in both understanding the chart

as

> > well

> > > > as

> > > > > > making predictions of any accuracy ...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks and Regards

> > > > > > > Surya.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

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