Guest guest Posted April 19, 2006 Report Share Posted April 19, 2006 Vedic Astrology is based on Sidereal Zodiac and sidereal zodiac basic foundation is Ayanamsha if the Ayanamsha is not correct then the Horoscope is also not correct. Are you still using wrong Ayanamsha to calculate the horoscopes? To get the right Horoscope and to get the right results from Astrology, you are welcome to join this Group of Astrology Tarun Chopra www.occultwizard.com If you are not interested in joining the group just ignore this invitation. On 4/19/06, jyotish <jyotish.bh wrote: > > Yes Rishi > You are correct. > WE need to evolve ayanamsha that is compatible to different S/W today > available. > Lahiri, Raman, are being used by almost all including JH, Kundli... > JH 7.0 gives option of different Ayanamsha and these results are quite > close to each other. > One can't appreciate other Ayanamsha if the same does not fit into. > > Regards > Rps > > > - > rishi_2000in > > Wednesday, April 19, 2006 10:05 AM > Re: Bhava Charts Vs Rashi charts > > > Pratap, > Ayanamsha has been a contentious issue amongst most learned of the > astrologers too.Mostly , the ayanamsha named as Chitrapaksha or > Lahiri ayanamsha is followed which was approved by the Indian > Government as a part of Rashtriya Panchang. There are several other > ayanamshas too including the Raman ayanamsha quite commonly used. > Most of these are within plus minus 3 degress of the Lahiri value. > Tarun Chopra claims an ayanamsa 12 degrees away from Lahiri. > It is again a personal experience of his. > regards > rishi > > > > > , Pratap Kaneria > <pkaneria wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > I am also a student following your discussions about bhav all > day. If you allow me to pose a new question... > > > > I have come across just recently a new ayamansa proposed by > Tarun Chopra who claims with some proof that his ayamansa is most > accurate compared to the one's in use in present time. Everyone > knows, that accurate predictions depends on precise horoscope and > dasa calculations. If you investigate, you will find that Chopra's > ayamansa produces significantly different charts and dasas. > > > > Has anyone on this list investigated Tarun Chopra's proposal ? > > > > With regards, > > > > Pratap > > > > rishi_2000in <rishi_2000in wrote: > > Actually, I digressed, I am glad that Surya speaks from his > experiences. > > Your reply about spherical trigonometry made me look at another > point > > which has been there in the back of my mind. I am, however, sadly > > lacking in personally experienced positions, just a beginner in > this > > ocean of astrology. Doesn't stop me from imagining fancy conceptual > > designs! Thanks for tolerating the kids on the block regards rishi > > br>, "crystal pages" > > wrote: > > > > > > Perhaps, Rishi, but the clincher would in the end must be -- But, > > > does it? > > > > > > The original poster (Surya) has discovered that in his experience > > > bhava works better than rashi (or something like that). I have no > > > problem with his personally experience position in that matter. > Do > > > you? :-) > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > , "rishi_2000in" > > > rishi_2000in@ wrote: > > > > > > > > RRji, > > > > And then the converse should also hold good, if in a part, > letus > > > say > > > > the navamsha, a 180 degree difference exists it can get > transposed > > > > to a 20 degree difference in the rashi chart, it actually > happens > > > in > > > > calculations. > > > > Logically, then the interpretations of a seventh house > relationship > > > > in navamsh should also be an interpretation for the > > > > 20/60/100/140/180/220/260/300/340 in the rashi chart? > > > > Your personal opinion sought, > > > > regards > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "crystal pages" > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Rishi, > > > > > > > > > > If you are asking my personal opinion then it has been > simple: > > > The > > > > > planetary system bears a remarkable resemblance to the > structure > > > of > > > > > an atom as science understands it. As above, so below. The > parts > > > > must > > > > > follow the pattern on which the whole is based. The progeny > must > > > > bear > > > > > resemblance to the progenitor. > > > > > > > > > > However, the truth as I see it may not be everyone's truth -- > and > > > I > > > > > try not to get in their way! Why else would the map be made > so > > > > > complicated and so many paths to the same end-goal. I never > > > > question > > > > > that! After all I am not paying for the petrol! > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > , "rishi_2000in" > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Tell me, Sir, when we delve in varga charts aren't we again > > > > > > mathematically fine tuning the zodiac particularly in > inter- > > > > > planetary > > > > > > relationship? > > > > > > regards > > > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "crystal pages" > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congratulations! You are at the last stop and only one > > > > > uncertainty > > > > > > > remains, unless I misunderstood what you were saying. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually, assuming that I did not (misunderstand), you > sound > > > > > quite > > > > > > > strongly positive that you have indeed experienced in > your > > > > > studies > > > > > > > that bhava chart seems to yield a truer picture of human > > > > > experience. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is wonderful because now you are on firmer grounds. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava represents dividing the zodiac in a more > geotopically > > > > > precise > > > > > > > and geotopically relevant perspective. This is exactly > what > > > > > > motivated > > > > > > > western/tropical astrologers to fine-tune and devise more > > > than > > > > a > > > > > > > dozen unequal divisions, each with a mathematical > > > > justification. > > > > > > Why > > > > > > > so many? One would ask! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The sripati paddhati is an averaging system, because it > > > > trisects > > > > > > two > > > > > > > reference points and gets three house cusps and then > three > > > > more. > > > > > > Some > > > > > > > of the other unequal divisions (e.g., Placidius used by > > > > > > > Krishnamurthi, Regiomontanus, Campanus, Zenith, East > Point > > > and > > > > > many > > > > > > > others that I used to remember in my young days but > haven't > > > > > looked > > > > > > up > > > > > > > in a few decades now) have more rigorous principles of > > > > spherical > > > > > > > trigonometry applied to those. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Once you have broken beyond the whole sign and equal > house > > > mind- > > > > > set > > > > > > > why stop at Sripati and not forge ahead further? Internet > > > must > > > > be > > > > > > > full of details about how to calculate those etc. and > you can > > > > > rely > > > > > > on > > > > > > > books by Meeus and Peter Duffett-Smith and the now > probably > > > out > > > > > of > > > > > > > print manual of mathematical programming for astrologers > by > > > > > Michael > > > > > > > Erlewine and many many other references. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you ask, you will get umpteen opinions, which will at > the > > > > best > > > > > > not > > > > > > > satisfy you, and at the worst, confuse you and create > doubts > > > in > > > > > > your > > > > > > > mind. Doing and experiencing it directly is the way and > you > > > > have > > > > > > > already embarked on that path, it seems. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bravo and keep up the good pace! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , surya vishnu > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Junta! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Been working on my astrology skills on the to follow > the > > > > > > > discussions on the group better .. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The last stop being the significance of Bhava chart Vs > > > > Rashi > > > > > > > charts ... a thought occured to me that one of the > reason why > > > > > > > predictions go wrong is probably because the planet > positions > > > > on > > > > > > the > > > > > > > Bhava chart are different from the ones on Rashi charts? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyone who can throw light on this subject will be > warmly > > > > > > > appreciated .. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Per what I could understand, I realise that Rashi chart > > > is > > > > > good > > > > > > > as long as u want to understand hte placement of a > planet in > > > a > > > > > > > particular Rashi ... however Bhava chart is more accurate > > > when > > > > > > house > > > > > > > related issues are to be judged .. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In particular cases that I have seen (not extensive) > > > > Jupiter > > > > > in > > > > > > > 5th house for Virgo ascendant was expected to give a male > > > > > child .. > > > > > > > however in Bhava chart Jupiter slipped back to 4th house > and > > > > the > > > > > > > person involved has a female child for first issue .. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my own case, I have an exhalted Rahu in 11th house > of > > > > > Virgo > > > > > > > for scorpio ascendant ... however Rahu shifts to 12th > house > > > on > > > > > > Bhava > > > > > > > chart .. and Moon/Rahu sub dasa has been a mixed baggage > as > > > > > > expected > > > > > > > from Rahu in 12th house, it has however given me my > spiritual > > > > > > > perceptor (moon being 9th lord in 2nd) and fairly decent > land > > > > > > > possessions .. so the exhaltation of Rahu seems to stand > > > > however, > > > > > > > Bhava chart seems to be more accurate as to what the > planet > > > is > > > > to > > > > > > > deliver .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have seen quite a few horoscopes in hte last few > months > > > > and > > > > > > > realised that bhava is very important for > predictions .... > > > but > > > > > what > > > > > > I > > > > > > > am struggling ot understand is the amount of importance > to be > > > > > given > > > > > > > to each of these charts in both understanding the chart > as > > > well > > > > > as > > > > > > > making predictions of any accuracy ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > > > > Surya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Talk is cheap. 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