Guest guest Posted June 18, 2001 Report Share Posted June 18, 2001 Ah, With more analysis, I think I might have uncovered the mistry of my father's early death. If I looked at my navamsa kundali (which is posted below), the lord of the 9th house (Scorpio) which is MARS is in the 12th house which indicates LOSS of FATHER. Is my analysis right ? Please clarify this Mr. PVR Narasimha Rao. Thanks... ************************************************* * Lagn * * * * * * Merc * * * * * Jupt * * * * Moon * * * * * Ketu * * * * * * * * * * Plut * * * * ************************************************* * * * * * * * * * Mars * * * * * * Satn * * * * * * * * * * * * * ************* Navamsa ************* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ************************************************* * * * Sun * * * * * * Venu * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Rahu * * * Nept * * Uran * * * * * * ************************************************* Rgds, Vinay S. vedic astrology, vinays_s@h... wrote: > Hello Mr. Rao and everyone else, > > I'm at the beginning of the astrology learning curve. After > having read many things about astrology, one particular thing > has not yet become clear to me. Every astrologer tells me that > my father died when I was very young and this is very true. > But, according to what I have read, the 9th lord if found in > the 8th house, it would represent this loss. > > It is not true in my case. This is my horoscope: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Name : Vinay Rao > Date of birth : 25.3.1973 > Time of birth : 23-54 IST > Place of birth : Bangalore > Latitude : 012-58 N > Longitude : 077-38 E > Day of birth : Sunday > Tithi : 21.39 Tithi Name : Saptami > Nakshatra : 17.87 4 Pada Nakhashatra Name : Jyestha > Yoga : 16.48 Yoga Name : Vyatipata > Rasi : 7.94 Rasi Name : Vriscika > ************************************************* > * Sun * * * * > * Venu * * * * > * * * * * > * * * Satn * * > * * * * Ketu * > * * * * * > * * * * * > ************************************************* > * * * * > * Merc * * * > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > ************* Rasi ************* > * * * * > * * * * > * Mars Jupt * * * > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > ************************************************* > * * Lagn * * * > * * * * * > * * * * * > * * Moon * * * > * Rahu * * * * > * * Nept * * Uran * > * * * * Plut * > ************************************************* > > How else would you intrepret this loss ? And is it true that I have > Sarpa Dosha (Kal Sarpa Yoga) ? How do you intrepret this ? Because > as I see there are some planets that lie outside of Rahu-Ketu > axis ? Does Rashu in 2nd and Ketu in 8th itself denote this dosha ? > > Thanks in advance for helping me in learning/understanding > astrology. I'm just a beginner. :-) > > Best Regards, > Vinay S. Rao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2001 Report Share Posted June 18, 2001 Dear Vinay, > Is my analysis right ? Please clarify this > Mr. PVR Narasimha Rao. Thanks... Someone has correctly mentioned that afflictions to 9th and 9th lord give early death of father. Situation of 9th lord in 8th, as you mentioned, is usually seen in the charts of such people. However, Parasara advised to see parents from Dwadasamsa (D-12). Use that instead of navamsa (D-9). Navamsa shows the dharma followed by one. Concentrate on D-12. Check your D-12 chart (use a computer program to get the chart). Treat it as if it was an independent rasi chart. Check the 9th house from lagna or Sun (whichever is stronger). Check if its lord is in 8th or afflicted or if the 9th itslf is badly afflicted/ The 9th house in D-12 shows the guidance and protection received from father. The 9th lord in D-12 shows father (body). First study the 9th and 9th lord in your D-12 and get back to me. If it does not make sense, you can try to shift D-12 lagna a bit. May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2001 Report Share Posted June 18, 2001 In rasi chart, 9th lord moon is neecha and aspected by saturn. 9th house is aspected by saturn and mars. 9th lord has no favourable aspects. 9th house is aspected by jupiter, but as it is debilitated and associated with a much stronger mars, not very effective. I have also noticed in the past that the mutual aspect of saturn and mars can make them far more malefic in their intentions. So looking further, moon is in mercury's nakshatra and mercury rules the 8th. Since mercury's dasa runs soon after birth, this could indicate a death. Nimmi - <vinays_s <vedic astrology> Monday, June 18, 2001 9:57 PM [vedic astrology] What indicates death of father in early life ? > > Hello Mr. Rao and everyone else, > > I'm at the beginning of the astrology learning curve. After > having read many things about astrology, one particular thing > has not yet become clear to me. Every astrologer tells me that > my father died when I was very young and this is very true. > But, according to what I have read, the 9th lord if found in > the 8th house, it would represent this loss. > > It is not true in my case. This is my horoscope: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Name : Vinay Rao > Date of birth : 25.3.1973 > Time of birth : 23-54 IST > Place of birth : Bangalore > Latitude : 012-58 N > Longitude : 077-38 E > Day of birth : Sunday > Tithi : 21.39 Tithi Name : Saptami > Nakshatra : 17.87 4 Pada Nakhashatra Name : Jyestha > Yoga : 16.48 Yoga Name : Vyatipata > Rasi : 7.94 Rasi Name : Vriscika > ************************************************* > * Sun * * * * > * Venu * * * * > * * * * * > * * * Satn * * > * * * * Ketu * > * * * * * > * * * * * > ************************************************* > * * * * > * Merc * * * > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > ************* Rasi ************* > * * * * > * * * * > * Mars Jupt * * * > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > ************************************************* > * * Lagn * * * > * * * * * > * * * * * > * * Moon * * * > * Rahu * * * * > * * Nept * * Uran * > * * * * Plut * > ************************************************* > > How else would you intrepret this loss ? And is it true that I have > Sarpa Dosha (Kal Sarpa Yoga) ? How do you intrepret this ? Because > as I see there are some planets that lie outside of Rahu-Ketu > axis ? Does Rashu in 2nd and Ketu in 8th itself denote this dosha ? > > Thanks in advance for helping me in learning/understanding > astrology. I'm just a beginner. :-) > > Best Regards, > Vinay S. Rao > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2001 Report Share Posted June 19, 2001 Thanks for the response everyone. Here are my responses for individual postings... Mu'Min Bey: I dont know how to look at sade sath yet. None of the things mentioned in your 1st paragraph are seen in my jataka. But everyone seem to echo your words about the early death of father rules. Thanks anyway. I'm just left from my vacation in bangalore and I'm currently in Chicago. PVR Narasimha Rao: Thanks to groups like yours, or else astrology will soon be forgotten because people will be left without clear understanding of this science. Anyway, for your question, here is my D-12: ************************************************* * * * * * * * * * Venu * * Mars * * Jupt * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Nept * * * * * * * * ************************************************* * * * Sun * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Rahu * * * * * * * * * ************* Dwadasamsa ************* * * * * * * * * * * * * * Satn * * * * Ketu * * * * * * Uran * * * * * ************************************************* * * * Lagn * * * * * Merc * * * * * * * * * * Moon * * * * * * * * * * * * * Plut * * * * ************************************************* The only thing I notice here is that the lord or the 12th house (venus) FROM THE 9th is in the 1st house from the 9th which MAY indicate LOSS of FATHER's body/life. What do you think ? Sarajit: I was a tiny bit confused with your last statement. Should I concentrate on 1st, 8th and 10th lords or should I concentrate on 4th, 6th and 9th lords ? Also, should I look at rasi koota or D-* ? Looking at both of these in the rasi koota didnt bring out anything. Mrs. Nimmi: When you say "9th house is aspected by saturn and mars" what do you mean ? I'm a beginner. :-) Also, what do you mean by "moon is in mercury's nakshatra". Also, my father died somewhere in between the following two bhuktis (6/16/76 to be precise): Vimsottari Dasa ----------------- Dasa Bhukti Anardasa Date Month Year ----------------- Ketu Venus Mars 5 5 1976 Ketu Venus Rahu 8 7 1976 ----------------- The only other things that I could think of is, 1) born in jyesta nakshatra 3rd or 4th pada is bad for father or mother. 2) my navamsa (D-9) shows 9th lord in 12th house. May lord Juipter bring good luck to all my gurus. Vinay S. Rao > > > > Hello Mr. Rao and everyone else, > > > > I'm at the beginning of the astrology learning curve. After > > having read many things about astrology, one particular thing > > has not yet become clear to me. Every astrologer tells me that > > my father died when I was very young and this is very true. > > But, according to what I have read, the 9th lord if found in > > the 8th house, it would represent this loss. > > > > It is not true in my case. This is my horoscope: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Name : Vinay Rao > > Date of birth : 25.3.1973 > > Time of birth : 23-54 IST > > Place of birth : Bangalore > > Latitude : 012-58 N > > Longitude : 077-38 E > > Day of birth : Sunday > > Tithi : 21.39 Tithi Name : Saptami > > Nakshatra : 17.87 4 Pada Nakhashatra Name : Jyestha > > Yoga : 16.48 Yoga Name : Vyatipata > > Rasi : 7.94 Rasi Name : Vriscika > > ************************************************* > > * Sun * * * * > > * Venu * * * * > > * * * * * > > * * * Satn * * > > * * * * Ketu * > > * * * * * > > * * * * * > > ************************************************* > > * * * * > > * Merc * * * > > * * * * > > * * * * > > * * * * > > * * * * > > * * * * > > ************* Rasi ************* > > * * * * > > * * * * > > * Mars Jupt * * * > > * * * * > > * * * * > > * * * * > > * * * * > > ************************************************* > > * * Lagn * * * > > * * * * * > > * * * * * > > * * Moon * * * > > * Rahu * * * * > > * * Nept * * Uran * > > * * * * Plut * > > ************************************************* > > > > How else would you intrepret this loss ? And is it true that I have > > Sarpa Dosha (Kal Sarpa Yoga) ? How do you intrepret this ? Because > > as I see there are some planets that lie outside of Rahu-Ketu > > axis ? Does Rashu in 2nd and Ketu in 8th itself denote this dosha ? > > > > Thanks in advance for helping me in learning/understanding > > astrology. I'm just a beginner. :-) > > > > Best Regards, > > Vinay S. Rao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2001 Report Share Posted June 19, 2001 Vyam Vyasadevaaya Namaaha Hi Vinay, In your D-12 the temporary Pitri Lagna becomes Ge. It houses the 12L Ve. Furthermore, the 9H is hemmed between Functional Malefic Sun & Natural Malefic on one side and a Functional Malefic Ju on the other. Thus the 9H is subjected to Paapa Kartaari Yoga. The Chara PitriKaaraka in your chart is Sun. It is eclipsed by Rahu!!!! The only other planet aspecting Pitri Lagna is Mars the other Functional Malefic for Ge. The 9L Mercury is conjoined with Moon the Maraka for 9H. It is aspected(rasi) by Ju the Maraka for Ge. There are no positive indications here. -Narayan vedic astrology, vinays_s@h... wrote: > Thanks for the response everyone. > Here are my responses for individual postings... > > Mu'Min Bey: I dont know how to look at sade sath > yet. None of the things mentioned in your 1st > paragraph are seen in my jataka. But everyone > seem to echo your words about the early death of > father rules. Thanks anyway. I'm just left from > my vacation in bangalore and I'm currently in > Chicago. > > PVR Narasimha Rao: Thanks to groups like yours, > or else astrology will soon be forgotten because > people will be left without clear understanding of > this science. Anyway, for your question, here is > my D-12: > > ************************************************* > * * * * * > * * * * Venu * > * Mars * * Jupt * * > * * * * * > * * * * * > * * Nept * * * > * * * * * > ************************************************* > * * * Sun * > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > * * * Rahu * > * * * * > * * * * > ************* Dwadasamsa ************* > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > * Satn * * * > * Ketu * * * > * * * Uran * > * * * * > ************************************************* > * * * Lagn * * > * * * Merc * * > * * * * * > * * * Moon * * > * * * * * > * * * * * > * Plut * * * * > ************************************************* > > The only thing I notice here is that the lord > or the 12th house (venus) FROM THE 9th is in > the 1st house from the 9th which MAY indicate > LOSS of FATHER's body/life. What do you think ? > > Sarajit: I was a tiny bit confused with your last > statement. Should I concentrate on 1st, 8th and 10th > lords or should I concentrate on 4th, 6th and 9th > lords ? Also, should I look at rasi koota or D-* ? > Looking at both of these in the rasi koota didnt > bring out anything. > > Mrs. Nimmi: When you say "9th house is aspected by > saturn and mars" what do you mean ? I'm a beginner. > :-) Also, what do you mean by "moon is in mercury's > nakshatra". Also, my father died somewhere in between > the following two bhuktis (6/16/76 to be precise): > > Vimsottari Dasa > ----------------- > Dasa Bhukti Anardasa Date Month Year > ----------------- > Ketu Venus Mars 5 5 1976 > Ketu Venus Rahu 8 7 1976 > ----------------- > > The only other things that I could think of is, > 1) born in jyesta nakshatra 3rd or 4th pada > is bad for father or mother. > 2) my navamsa (D-9) shows 9th lord in 12th house. > > May lord Juipter bring good luck to all my gurus. > Vinay S. Rao > > > > > > > Hello Mr. Rao and everyone else, > > > > > > I'm at the beginning of the astrology learning curve. After > > > having read many things about astrology, one particular thing > > > has not yet become clear to me. Every astrologer tells me that > > > my father died when I was very young and this is very true. > > > But, according to what I have read, the 9th lord if found in > > > the 8th house, it would represent this loss. > > > > > > It is not true in my case. This is my horoscope: > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > Name : Vinay Rao > > > Date of birth : 25.3.1973 > > > Time of birth : 23-54 IST > > > Place of birth : Bangalore > > > Latitude : 012-58 N > > > Longitude : 077-38 E > > > Day of birth : Sunday > > > Tithi : 21.39 Tithi Name : Saptami > > > Nakshatra : 17.87 4 Pada Nakhashatra Name : Jyestha > > > Yoga : 16.48 Yoga Name : Vyatipata > > > Rasi : 7.94 Rasi Name : Vriscika > > > ************************************************* > > > * Sun * * * * > > > * Venu * * * * > > > * * * * * > > > * * * Satn * * > > > * * * * Ketu * > > > * * * * * > > > * * * * * > > > ************************************************* > > > * * * * > > > * Merc * * * > > > * * * * > > > * * * * > > > * * * * > > > * * * * > > > * * * * > > > ************* Rasi ************* > > > * * * * > > > * * * * > > > * Mars Jupt * * * > > > * * * * > > > * * * * > > > * * * * > > > * * * * > > > ************************************************* > > > * * Lagn * * * > > > * * * * * > > > * * * * * > > > * * Moon * * * > > > * Rahu * * * * > > > * * Nept * * Uran * > > > * * * * Plut * > > > ************************************************* > > > > > > How else would you intrepret this loss ? And is it true that I > have > > > Sarpa Dosha (Kal Sarpa Yoga) ? How do you intrepret this ? Because > > > as I see there are some planets that lie outside of Rahu-Ketu > > > axis ? Does Rashu in 2nd and Ketu in 8th itself denote this dosha > ? > > > > > > Thanks in advance for helping me in learning/understanding > > > astrology. I'm just a beginner. :-) > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > Vinay S. Rao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2001 Report Share Posted June 19, 2001 There isn't any consensus among scholars and Pundits about the house relating to father. Generally, both 9th and 10th are accepted. It is interesting to see the responses. Hardly anybody mentioned the 10th house. The classics don't seem to clear this confusion. There are places in BPHS where 10th house is examined and at other places where prominence is given to the 9th. It wasn't until only a few months ago, I read a research where the author/team had tried to establish some concrete parameters. (although it can be argued about the sample size, etc., the accuracy of the research and results is not the topic here because it takes many years to establish standards even for reputed scientists like Einstien, Newton, Galileo..... I am sharing the info. and you can decide to experiment if you so wish) In that research the team found that both the houses are applicable; however the team found that examining 9th from Lagna / Moon, and 10th from Sun provided higher consistency/accuracy in predictions. The 9th house effects has already been mentioned by many. Now, look at the 10th house from the Sun. These indications can be seen in D-1 itself. Now, obtain confirmation using Dashas, and D-12. Best Regards, SA vinays_s on 06/19/2001 09:55:07 AM Please respond to vedic astrology vedic astrology cc: [vedic astrology] Re: What indicates death of father in early life ? Thanks for the response everyone. Here are my responses for individual postings... Mu'Min Bey: I dont know how to look at sade sath yet. None of the things mentioned in your 1st paragraph are seen in my jataka. But everyone seem to echo your words about the early death of father rules. Thanks anyway. I'm just left from my vacation in bangalore and I'm currently in Chicago. PVR Narasimha Rao: Thanks to groups like yours, or else astrology will soon be forgotten because people will be left without clear understanding of this science. Anyway, for your question, here is my D-12: ************************************************* * * * * * * * * * Venu * * Mars * * Jupt * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Nept * * * * * * * * ************************************************* * * * Sun * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Rahu * * * * * * * * * ************* Dwadasamsa ************* * * * * * * * * * * * * * Satn * * * * Ketu * * * * * * Uran * * * * * ************************************************* * * * Lagn * * * * * Merc * * * * * * * * * * Moon * * * * * * * * * * * * * Plut * * * * ************************************************* The only thing I notice here is that the lord or the 12th house (venus) FROM THE 9th is in the 1st house from the 9th which MAY indicate LOSS of FATHER's body/life. What do you think ? Sarajit: I was a tiny bit confused with your last statement. Should I concentrate on 1st, 8th and 10th lords or should I concentrate on 4th, 6th and 9th lords ? Also, should I look at rasi koota or D-* ? Looking at both of these in the rasi koota didnt bring out anything. Mrs. Nimmi: When you say "9th house is aspected by saturn and mars" what do you mean ? I'm a beginner. :-) Also, what do you mean by "moon is in mercury's nakshatra". Also, my father died somewhere in between the following two bhuktis (6/16/76 to be precise): Vimsottari Dasa ----------------- Dasa Bhukti Anardasa Date Month Year ----------------- Ketu Venus Mars 5 5 1976 Ketu Venus Rahu 8 7 1976 ----------------- The only other things that I could think of is, 1) born in jyesta nakshatra 3rd or 4th pada is bad for father or mother. 2) my navamsa (D-9) shows 9th lord in 12th house. May lord Juipter bring good luck to all my gurus. Vinay S. Rao > > > > Hello Mr. Rao and everyone else, > > > > I'm at the beginning of the astrology learning curve. After > > having read many things about astrology, one particular thing > > has not yet become clear to me. Every astrologer tells me that > > my father died when I was very young and this is very true. > > But, according to what I have read, the 9th lord if found in > > the 8th house, it would represent this loss. > > > > It is not true in my case. This is my horoscope: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Name : Vinay Rao > > Date of birth : 25.3.1973 > > Time of birth : 23-54 IST > > Place of birth : Bangalore > > Latitude : 012-58 N > > Longitude : 077-38 E > > Day of birth : Sunday > > Tithi : 21.39 Tithi Name : Saptami > > Nakshatra : 17.87 4 Pada Nakhashatra Name : Jyestha > > Yoga : 16.48 Yoga Name : Vyatipata > > Rasi : 7.94 Rasi Name : Vriscika > > ************************************************* > > * Sun * * * * > > * Venu * * * * > > * * * * * > > * * * Satn * * > > * * * * Ketu * > > * * * * * > > * * * * * > > ************************************************* > > * * * * > > * Merc * * * > > * * * * > > * * * * > > * * * * > > * * * * > > * * * * > > ************* Rasi ************* > > * * * * > > * * * * > > * Mars Jupt * * * > > * * * * > > * * * * > > * * * * > > * * * * > > ************************************************* > > * * Lagn * * * > > * * * * * > > * * * * * > > * * Moon * * * > > * Rahu * * * * > > * * Nept * * Uran * > > * * * * Plut * > > ************************************************* > > > > How else would you intrepret this loss ? And is it true that I have > > Sarpa Dosha (Kal Sarpa Yoga) ? How do you intrepret this ? Because > > as I see there are some planets that lie outside of Rahu-Ketu > > axis ? Does Rashu in 2nd and Ketu in 8th itself denote this dosha ? > > > > Thanks in advance for helping me in learning/understanding > > astrology. I'm just a beginner. :-) > > > > Best Regards, > > Vinay S. Rao Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2001 Report Share Posted June 19, 2001 AUM SRI GURUVE NAMAH Dear Narayan! Papakartari yoga happen due to placement of a planet or a house in between natural malefics and not functional malefics. Please Comment. Regards Sarajit - Narayan Iyer <narayaniyer <vedic astrology> Tuesday, June 19, 2001 11:03 PM [vedic astrology] Re: What indicates death of father in early life ? > Vyam Vyasadevaaya Namaaha > > Hi Vinay, > > In your D-12 the temporary Pitri Lagna becomes Ge. It houses the 12L Ve. > > Furthermore, the 9H is hemmed between Functional Malefic Sun & Natural Malefic on one side and a Functional Malefic Ju on the other. Thus the 9H is subjected to Paapa Kartaari Yoga. > > The Chara PitriKaaraka in your chart is Sun. It is eclipsed by Rahu!!!! > > The only other planet aspecting Pitri Lagna is Mars the other Functional Malefic for Ge. > > The 9L Mercury is conjoined with Moon the Maraka for 9H. It is aspected(rasi) by Ju the Maraka for Ge. > > There are no positive indications here. > > > -Narayan > > vedic astrology, vinays_s@h... wrote: > > Thanks for the response everyone. > > Here are my responses for individual postings... > > > > Mu'Min Bey: I dont know how to look at sade sath > > yet. None of the things mentioned in your 1st > > paragraph are seen in my jataka. But everyone > > seem to echo your words about the early death of > > father rules. Thanks anyway. I'm just left from > > my vacation in bangalore and I'm currently in > > Chicago. > > > > PVR Narasimha Rao: Thanks to groups like yours, > > or else astrology will soon be forgotten because > > people will be left without clear understanding of > > this science. Anyway, for your question, here is > > my D-12: > > > > ************************************************* > > * * * * * > > * * * * Venu * > > * Mars * * Jupt * * > > * * * * * > > * * * * * > > * * Nept * * * > > * * * * * > > ************************************************* > > * * * Sun * > > * * * * > > * * * * > > * * * * > > * * * Rahu * > > * * * * > > * * * * > > ************* Dwadasamsa ************* > > * * * * > > * * * * > > * * * * > > * Satn * * * > > * Ketu * * * > > * * * Uran * > > * * * * > > ************************************************* > > * * * Lagn * * > > * * * Merc * * > > * * * * * > > * * * Moon * * > > * * * * * > > * * * * * > > * Plut * * * * > > ************************************************* > > > > The only thing I notice here is that the lord > > or the 12th house (venus) FROM THE 9th is in > > the 1st house from the 9th which MAY indicate > > LOSS of FATHER's body/life. What do you think ? > > > > Sarajit: I was a tiny bit confused with your last > > statement. Should I concentrate on 1st, 8th and 10th > > lords or should I concentrate on 4th, 6th and 9th > > lords ? Also, should I look at rasi koota or D-* ? > > Looking at both of these in the rasi koota didnt > > bring out anything. > > > > Mrs. Nimmi: When you say "9th house is aspected by > > saturn and mars" what do you mean ? I'm a beginner. > > :-) Also, what do you mean by "moon is in mercury's > > nakshatra". Also, my father died somewhere in between > > the following two bhuktis (6/16/76 to be precise): > > > > Vimsottari Dasa > > ----------------- > > Dasa Bhukti Anardasa Date Month Year > > ----------------- > > Ketu Venus Mars 5 5 1976 > > Ketu Venus Rahu 8 7 1976 > > ----------------- > > > > The only other things that I could think of is, > > 1) born in jyesta nakshatra 3rd or 4th pada > > is bad for father or mother. > > 2) my navamsa (D-9) shows 9th lord in 12th house. > > > > May lord Juipter bring good luck to all my gurus. > > Vinay S. Rao > > > > > > > > > > Hello Mr. Rao and everyone else, > > > > > > > > I'm at the beginning of the astrology learning curve. After > > > > having read many things about astrology, one particular thing > > > > has not yet become clear to me. Every astrologer tells me that > > > > my father died when I was very young and this is very true. > > > > But, according to what I have read, the 9th lord if found in > > > > the 8th house, it would represent this loss. > > > > > > > > It is not true in my case. This is my horoscope: > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > Name : Vinay Rao > > > > Date of birth : 25.3.1973 > > > > Time of birth : 23-54 IST > > > > Place of birth : Bangalore > > > > Latitude : 012-58 N > > > > Longitude : 077-38 E > > > > Day of birth : Sunday > > > > Tithi : 21.39 Tithi Name : Saptami > > > > Nakshatra : 17.87 4 Pada Nakhashatra Name : Jyestha > > > > Yoga : 16.48 Yoga Name : Vyatipata > > > > Rasi : 7.94 Rasi Name : Vriscika > > > > ************************************************* > > > > * Sun * * * * > > > > * Venu * * * * > > > > * * * * * > > > > * * * Satn * * > > > > * * * * Ketu * > > > > * * * * * > > > > * * * * * > > > > ************************************************* > > > > * * * * > > > > * Merc * * * > > > > * * * * > > > > * * * * > > > > * * * * > > > > * * * * > > > > * * * * > > > > ************* Rasi ************* > > > > * * * * > > > > * * * * > > > > * Mars Jupt * * * > > > > * * * * > > > > * * * * > > > > * * * * > > > > * * * * > > > > ************************************************* > > > > * * Lagn * * * > > > > * * * * * > > > > * * * * * > > > > * * Moon * * * > > > > * Rahu * * * * > > > > * * Nept * * Uran * > > > > * * * * Plut * > > > > ************************************************* > > > > > > > > How else would you intrepret this loss ? And is it true that I > > have > > > > Sarpa Dosha (Kal Sarpa Yoga) ? How do you intrepret this ? Because > > > > as I see there are some planets that lie outside of Rahu-Ketu > > > > axis ? Does Rashu in 2nd and Ketu in 8th itself denote this dosha > > ? > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance for helping me in learning/understanding > > > > astrology. I'm just a beginner. :-) > > > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > Vinay S. Rao > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2001 Report Share Posted June 19, 2001 AUM SRI GURUVE NAMAH Dear Vinay! In your Rasi chart, from 9th house Cancer, 1. The 1st lord, Moon (9th lord from Lagna) is placed in the 5th.... hence strong. 2. The 8th lord Saturn is placed in 11th house........strong 3. another 8th lord Rahu is placed in the 6th............ weak 4. 10th lord Mars is placed in the 7th with 6th lord........... weak. This shows that your fathers age might be in the middle age bracket. You can see the same in the D-12 chart which can give more clear picture. As I am writing from my office and even't don't have a astrology software installed in my computer, I can't write more. You can see your own D-12 and get back to me. Regards Sarajit - <vinays_s <vedic astrology> Tuesday, June 19, 2001 10:25 PM [vedic astrology] Re: What indicates death of father in early life ? > Thanks for the response everyone. > Here are my responses for individual postings... > > Mu'Min Bey: I dont know how to look at sade sath > yet. None of the things mentioned in your 1st > paragraph are seen in my jataka. But everyone > seem to echo your words about the early death of > father rules. Thanks anyway. I'm just left from > my vacation in bangalore and I'm currently in > Chicago. > > PVR Narasimha Rao: Thanks to groups like yours, > or else astrology will soon be forgotten because > people will be left without clear understanding of > this science. Anyway, for your question, here is > my D-12: > > ************************************************* > * * * * * > * * * * Venu * > * Mars * * Jupt * * > * * * * * > * * * * * > * * Nept * * * > * * * * * > ************************************************* > * * * Sun * > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > * * * Rahu * > * * * * > * * * * > ************* Dwadasamsa ************* > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > * Satn * * * > * Ketu * * * > * * * Uran * > * * * * > ************************************************* > * * * Lagn * * > * * * Merc * * > * * * * * > * * * Moon * * > * * * * * > * * * * * > * Plut * * * * > ************************************************* > > The only thing I notice here is that the lord > or the 12th house (venus) FROM THE 9th is in > the 1st house from the 9th which MAY indicate > LOSS of FATHER's body/life. What do you think ? > > Sarajit: I was a tiny bit confused with your last > statement. Should I concentrate on 1st, 8th and 10th > lords or should I concentrate on 4th, 6th and 9th > lords ? Also, should I look at rasi koota or D-* ? > Looking at both of these in the rasi koota didnt > bring out anything. > > Mrs. Nimmi: When you say "9th house is aspected by > saturn and mars" what do you mean ? I'm a beginner. > :-) Also, what do you mean by "moon is in mercury's > nakshatra". Also, my father died somewhere in between > the following two bhuktis (6/16/76 to be precise): > > Vimsottari Dasa > ----------------- > Dasa Bhukti Anardasa Date Month Year > ----------------- > Ketu Venus Mars 5 5 1976 > Ketu Venus Rahu 8 7 1976 > ----------------- > > The only other things that I could think of is, > 1) born in jyesta nakshatra 3rd or 4th pada > is bad for father or mother. > 2) my navamsa (D-9) shows 9th lord in 12th house. > > May lord Juipter bring good luck to all my gurus. > Vinay S. Rao > > > > > > > Hello Mr. Rao and everyone else, > > > > > > I'm at the beginning of the astrology learning curve. After > > > having read many things about astrology, one particular thing > > > has not yet become clear to me. Every astrologer tells me that > > > my father died when I was very young and this is very true. > > > But, according to what I have read, the 9th lord if found in > > > the 8th house, it would represent this loss. > > > > > > It is not true in my case. This is my horoscope: > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > Name : Vinay Rao > > > Date of birth : 25.3.1973 > > > Time of birth : 23-54 IST > > > Place of birth : Bangalore > > > Latitude : 012-58 N > > > Longitude : 077-38 E > > > Day of birth : Sunday > > > Tithi : 21.39 Tithi Name : Saptami > > > Nakshatra : 17.87 4 Pada Nakhashatra Name : Jyestha > > > Yoga : 16.48 Yoga Name : Vyatipata > > > Rasi : 7.94 Rasi Name : Vriscika > > > ************************************************* > > > * Sun * * * * > > > * Venu * * * * > > > * * * * * > > > * * * Satn * * > > > * * * * Ketu * > > > * * * * * > > > * * * * * > > > ************************************************* > > > * * * * > > > * Merc * * * > > > * * * * > > > * * * * > > > * * * * > > > * * * * > > > * * * * > > > ************* Rasi ************* > > > * * * * > > > * * * * > > > * Mars Jupt * * * > > > * * * * > > > * * * * > > > * * * * > > > * * * * > > > ************************************************* > > > * * Lagn * * * > > > * * * * * > > > * * * * * > > > * * Moon * * * > > > * Rahu * * * * > > > * * Nept * * Uran * > > > * * * * Plut * > > > ************************************************* > > > > > > How else would you intrepret this loss ? And is it true that I > have > > > Sarpa Dosha (Kal Sarpa Yoga) ? How do you intrepret this ? Because > > > as I see there are some planets that lie outside of Rahu-Ketu > > > axis ? Does Rashu in 2nd and Ketu in 8th itself denote this dosha > ? > > > > > > Thanks in advance for helping me in learning/understanding > > > astrology. I'm just a beginner. :-) > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > Vinay S. Rao > > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2001 Report Share Posted June 19, 2001 Namaste Sanjiv, > The classics don't seem to clear this confusion. There are places in BPHS > where 10th house is examined and at other places where prominence is given > to the 9th. Well, can you refer me to all the verses in which Parasara prescribes 10th for father? Thanks, Narasimha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2001 Report Share Posted June 20, 2001 mars aspects the 7th house from itself and saturn the 3rd from itself. As mars is in the 3rd, the 7th from it is the 9th. And since saturn is in the 7th, the 3rd from it is the 9th. BTW, please diregard my comments re the mutual aspect of mars and saturn. I was thinking of graha drishti, which is not there. There is however, mutual rasi drishti. I also cast the chart today, and found the sun debilitated in navamsa. As karaka for father, this weakens it. Ketu is in the 8th house - again the theme of deaths. Venus was exalted in rasi and debilitated in navamsa. This can bring serious reversals during venus' dasa periods. Then again, during 1976, saturn was in transit in the 9th house. Mars too may have been in transit in the 9th house at the time of his death. Ketu in transit was in the 6th house. It is in one of the houses aspected by natal mars and is aspected by transit saturn from the 9th. Transit venus may have also been in the 8th house. In my experience, I have found that when natal indications, dasa indications and transits come together, things get triggered off. First the possibilities must be there in the natal chart. Then transits must echo natal indications, especially those of slow planets. However, if a planet is in retrograde and lingering in a sign, that can act like one of the slower planets and have strong effects. Thirdly, if the dasa periods tie in with the above natal and transit indications, then there is a high probability of events. Regards, Nimmi - <vinays_s <vedic astrology> Tuesday, June 19, 2001 5:55 PM [vedic astrology] Re: What indicates death of father in early life ? > > Thanks for the response everyone. > Here are my responses for individual postings... > > Mu'Min Bey: I dont know how to look at sade sath > yet. None of the things mentioned in your 1st > paragraph are seen in my jataka. But everyone > seem to echo your words about the early death of > father rules. Thanks anyway. I'm just left from > my vacation in bangalore and I'm currently in > Chicago. > > PVR Narasimha Rao: Thanks to groups like yours, > or else astrology will soon be forgotten because > people will be left without clear understanding of > this science. Anyway, for your question, here is > my D-12: > > ************************************************* > * * * * * > * * * * Venu * > * Mars * * Jupt * * > * * * * * > * * * * * > * * Nept * * * > * * * * * > ************************************************* > * * * Sun * > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > * * * Rahu * > * * * * > * * * * > ************* Dwadasamsa ************* > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > * Satn * * * > * Ketu * * * > * * * Uran * > * * * * > ************************************************* > * * * Lagn * * > * * * Merc * * > * * * * * > * * * Moon * * > * * * * * > * * * * * > * Plut * * * * > ************************************************* > > The only thing I notice here is that the lord > or the 12th house (venus) FROM THE 9th is in > the 1st house from the 9th which MAY indicate > LOSS of FATHER's body/life. What do you think ? > > Sarajit: I was a tiny bit confused with your last > statement. Should I concentrate on 1st, 8th and 10th > lords or should I concentrate on 4th, 6th and 9th > lords ? Also, should I look at rasi koota or D-* ? > Looking at both of these in the rasi koota didnt > bring out anything. > > Mrs. Nimmi: When you say "9th house is aspected by > saturn and mars" what do you mean ? I'm a beginner. > :-) Also, what do you mean by "moon is in mercury's > nakshatra". Also, my father died somewhere in between > the following two bhuktis (6/16/76 to be precise): > > Vimsottari Dasa > ----------------- > Dasa Bhukti Anardasa Date Month Year > ----------------- > Ketu Venus Mars 5 5 1976 > Ketu Venus Rahu 8 7 1976 > ----------------- > > The only other things that I could think of is, > 1) born in jyesta nakshatra 3rd or 4th pada > is bad for father or mother. > 2) my navamsa (D-9) shows 9th lord in 12th house. > > May lord Juipter bring good luck to all my gurus. > Vinay S. Rao > > > > > > > Hello Mr. Rao and everyone else, > > > > > > I'm at the beginning of the astrology learning curve. After > > > having read many things about astrology, one particular thing > > > has not yet become clear to me. Every astrologer tells me that > > > my father died when I was very young and this is very true. > > > But, according to what I have read, the 9th lord if found in > > > the 8th house, it would represent this loss. > > > > > > It is not true in my case. This is my horoscope: > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > Name : Vinay Rao > > > Date of birth : 25.3.1973 > > > Time of birth : 23-54 IST > > > Place of birth : Bangalore > > > Latitude : 012-58 N > > > Longitude : 077-38 E > > > Day of birth : Sunday > > > Tithi : 21.39 Tithi Name : Saptami > > > Nakshatra : 17.87 4 Pada Nakhashatra Name : Jyestha > > > Yoga : 16.48 Yoga Name : Vyatipata > > > Rasi : 7.94 Rasi Name : Vriscika > > > ************************************************* > > > * Sun * * * * > > > * Venu * * * * > > > * * * * * > > > * * * Satn * * > > > * * * * Ketu * > > > * * * * * > > > * * * * * > > > ************************************************* > > > * * * * > > > * Merc * * * > > > * * * * > > > * * * * > > > * * * * > > > * * * * > > > * * * * > > > ************* Rasi ************* > > > * * * * > > > * * * * > > > * Mars Jupt * * * > > > * * * * > > > * * * * > > > * * * * > > > * * * * > > > ************************************************* > > > * * Lagn * * * > > > * * * * * > > > * * * * * > > > * * Moon * * * > > > * Rahu * * * * > > > * * Nept * * Uran * > > > * * * * Plut * > > > ************************************************* > > > > > > How else would you intrepret this loss ? And is it true that I > have > > > Sarpa Dosha (Kal Sarpa Yoga) ? How do you intrepret this ? Because > > > as I see there are some planets that lie outside of Rahu-Ketu > > > axis ? Does Rashu in 2nd and Ketu in 8th itself denote this dosha > ? > > > > > > Thanks in advance for helping me in learning/understanding > > > astrology. I'm just a beginner. :-) > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > Vinay S. Rao > > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2001 Report Share Posted June 20, 2001 "Sri Ganeshaya Namaha" Thanks for your answers Sarajit and Mrs. Nimmi. By what you both said, if it is not obvious from the rasi chart that father died at my early age by checking if 9th lord is in 8th house, it could be a very complex search to find out about this event. You have to have a thorough knowledge of astrology to even guess this event - let alone confirming it... By the way, Sarajit, I have found an online chart generator which is very accurate. There are others which are crap. Here is the link for the good one http://netropolis.org/peej/horo.cgi Hope this helps... vedic astrology, "Sarajit Poddar" <sarajitp@h...> wrote: > AUM SRI GURUVE NAMAH > Dear Vinay! > > In your Rasi chart, from 9th house Cancer, > > 1. The 1st lord, Moon (9th lord from Lagna) is placed in the 5th.... hence > strong. > 2. The 8th lord Saturn is placed in 11th house........strong > 3. another 8th lord Rahu is placed in the 6th............ weak > 4. 10th lord Mars is placed in the 7th with 6th lord........... weak. > > This shows that your fathers age might be in the middle age bracket. You can > see the same in the D-12 chart which can give more clear picture. As I am > writing from my office and even't don't have a astrology software installed > in my computer, I can't write more. You can see your own D-12 and get back > to me. > > Regards > Sarajit > > > > - > <vinays_s@h...> > <vedic astrology> > Tuesday, June 19, 2001 10:25 PM > [vedic astrology] Re: What indicates death of father in early life > ? > > > > Thanks for the response everyone. > > Here are my responses for individual postings... > > > > Mu'Min Bey: I dont know how to look at sade sath > > yet. None of the things mentioned in your 1st > > paragraph are seen in my jataka. But everyone > > seem to echo your words about the early death of > > father rules. Thanks anyway. I'm just left from > > my vacation in bangalore and I'm currently in > > Chicago. > > > > PVR Narasimha Rao: Thanks to groups like yours, > > or else astrology will soon be forgotten because > > people will be left without clear understanding of > > this science. Anyway, for your question, here is > > my D-12: > > > > ************************************************* > > * * * * * > > * * * * Venu * > > * Mars * * Jupt * * > > * * * * * > > * * * * * > > * * Nept * * * > > * * * * * > > ************************************************* > > * * * Sun * > > * * * * > > * * * * > > * * * * > > * * * Rahu * > > * * * * > > * * * * > > ************* Dwadasamsa ************* > > * * * * > > * * * * > > * * * * > > * Satn * * * > > * Ketu * * * > > * * * Uran * > > * * * * > > ************************************************* > > * * * Lagn * * > > * * * Merc * * > > * * * * * > > * * * Moon * * > > * * * * * > > * * * * * > > * Plut * * * * > > ************************************************* > > > > The only thing I notice here is that the lord > > or the 12th house (venus) FROM THE 9th is in > > the 1st house from the 9th which MAY indicate > > LOSS of FATHER's body/life. What do you think ? > > > > Sarajit: I was a tiny bit confused with your last > > statement. Should I concentrate on 1st, 8th and 10th > > lords or should I concentrate on 4th, 6th and 9th > > lords ? Also, should I look at rasi koota or D-* ? > > Looking at both of these in the rasi koota didnt > > bring out anything. > > > > Mrs. Nimmi: When you say "9th house is aspected by > > saturn and mars" what do you mean ? I'm a beginner. > > :-) Also, what do you mean by "moon is in mercury's > > nakshatra". Also, my father died somewhere in between > > the following two bhuktis (6/16/76 to be precise): > > > > Vimsottari Dasa > > ----------------- > > Dasa Bhukti Anardasa Date Month Year > > ----------------- > > Ketu Venus Mars 5 5 1976 > > Ketu Venus Rahu 8 7 1976 > > ----------------- > > > > The only other things that I could think of is, > > 1) born in jyesta nakshatra 3rd or 4th pada > > is bad for father or mother. > > 2) my navamsa (D-9) shows 9th lord in 12th house. > > > > May lord Juipter bring good luck to all my gurus. > > Vinay S. Rao > > > > > > > > > > Hello Mr. Rao and everyone else, > > > > > > > > I'm at the beginning of the astrology learning curve. After > > > > having read many things about astrology, one particular thing > > > > has not yet become clear to me. Every astrologer tells me that > > > > my father died when I was very young and this is very true. > > > > But, according to what I have read, the 9th lord if found in > > > > the 8th house, it would represent this loss. > > > > > > > > It is not true in my case. This is my horoscope: > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > Name : Vinay Rao > > > > Date of birth : 25.3.1973 > > > > Time of birth : 23-54 IST > > > > Place of birth : Bangalore > > > > Latitude : 012-58 N > > > > Longitude : 077-38 E > > > > Day of birth : Sunday > > > > Tithi : 21.39 Tithi Name : Saptami > > > > Nakshatra : 17.87 4 Pada Nakhashatra Name : Jyestha > > > > Yoga : 16.48 Yoga Name : Vyatipata > > > > Rasi : 7.94 Rasi Name : Vriscika > > > > ************************************************* > > > > * Sun * * * * > > > > * Venu * * * * > > > > * * * * * > > > > * * * Satn * * > > > > * * * * Ketu * > > > > * * * * * > > > > * * * * * > > > > ************************************************* > > > > * * * * > > > > * Merc * * * > > > > * * * * > > > > * * * * > > > > * * * * > > > > * * * * > > > > * * * * > > > > ************* Rasi ************* > > > > * * * * > > > > * * * * > > > > * Mars Jupt * * * > > > > * * * * > > > > * * * * > > > > * * * * > > > > * * * * > > > > ************************************************* > > > > * * Lagn * * * > > > > * * * * * > > > > * * * * * > > > > * * Moon * * * > > > > * Rahu * * * * > > > > * * Nept * * Uran * > > > > * * * * Plut * > > > > ************************************************* > > > > > > > > How else would you intrepret this loss ? And is it true that I > > have > > > > Sarpa Dosha (Kal Sarpa Yoga) ? How do you intrepret this ? Because > > > > as I see there are some planets that lie outside of Rahu-Ketu > > > > axis ? Does Rashu in 2nd and Ketu in 8th itself denote this dosha > > ? > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance for helping me in learning/understanding > > > > astrology. I'm just a beginner. :-) > > > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > Vinay S. Rao > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2001 Report Share Posted June 20, 2001 Hello Narasimha, Unfortunately, I must send my regrets. I do not wish to debate other peoples' translations. I personally have never read the original BPHS; neither am I a scholar of Sanskrit. I have only read translations. Yes, among the many books I have read, I have come across this confusion many times. I do not want to quote the sources because the best people to offer clarifications would be the authors themselves rather than I on behalf of scholars. To me, it is enough that there exists this confusion or debate among scholars. (Like I pointed out I cannot debate translation with anybody as I do not know Sanskrit well. But ofcourse two scholars who understand Sanskrit are best suited for such a debate.) Please accept my apologies. Best Regards, SA pvr on 06/19/2001 09:41:40 PM Please respond to vedic astrology vedic astrology cc: [vedic astrology] Re: What indicates death of father in early life ? Namaste Sanjiv, > The classics don't seem to clear this confusion. There are places in BPHS > where 10th house is examined and at other places where prominence is given > to the 9th. Well, can you refer me to all the verses in which Parasara prescribes 10th for father? Thanks, Narasimha Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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