Guest guest Posted June 21, 2001 Report Share Posted June 21, 2001 Dear list, I am new to Vedic astrology and have a simple question. I frequently use the western Planetary Hours to analyze time cycles. I believe Vedic astrology has a similar method to divide up time into smaller and smaller sections for time cycle analysis. If there is a name for the Vedic time cycle method which is similar to western Planetary Hours please post the name of this method so I can do some research. Thank You Robert Holt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2001 Report Share Posted June 21, 2001 Namaste, You mean, Progressed horoscope things? regards, V vedic astrology, "Robert" <robert_h@e...> wrote: > Dear list, > > I am new to Vedic astrology and have a simple question. I frequently use the western Planetary Hours to analyze time cycles. I believe Vedic astrology has a similar method to divide up time into smaller and smaller sections for time cycle analysis. If there is a name for the Vedic time cycle method which is similar to western Planetary Hours please post the name of this method so I can do some research. > > > Thank You > Robert Holt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2001 Report Share Posted June 22, 2001 has anyone heard of the WORLD BREATH TIME? Get personalized email addresses from Mail http://personal.mail./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2001 Report Share Posted June 25, 2001 Namasthe. Responding to Robert's earlier question (our current planetary hour based time cycle vs. Vedic time cycle): Taittiriya AaraNyaka (MahaanaaraayaNopanishad) gives this: sarve nimeshaa jajnire vidyutah purushaadaDhi kalaa muhoorthaah kaashtaashchaahoraatraashcha sarvashah ardhamaasaa maasaa r`tavassamvaThsarashcha kaplanthaam The ancient shaastra Manu Samhita (MS) elaborates this Vedic declaration into time cycle analysis (1-64 through 1-73), the first two verses in MS being: nimeshaa dasha chaashtou cha kaashtaa trimshattu taah kalaa trimshatkalaa muhoortah syaat ahoraatryantu taavatah ahoraatre viBhajate sooryo maanusha daivike raatrih svapnaaya bhootaanaam chestaayai karmaNaamahah Vedic time cycle is explained below (my understanding today - may be wrong, please feel free to give your inputs, corrections, counterpoints, etc.). This "summary" is rather long, please forgive me if I am boring. Cheers & namasthe, tik Day-night is divided into 30 units called "muhoorta"s. Each muhoorta is divided into 30 "kalaa"s. Each kalaa is divided into 30 "kaashtaa"s. (The currently used 60 "ghatika"s per day-night, 60 "vighatika"s per ghatika is probably recent - may be a few thousand years old. "Muhoorta" is still widely used by Jyotishis). The lunar cycle (maasa) between krishna paksha prathama to amaavaasya is the next cycle enveloping our day-night cycle. Manu Samhita says that this is the day-night cycle for the pitr`s (MS 1-66). The solar cycle of earth going one round (sidereal) is the next cycle. This is the day-night cycle for the deva-s, uttaraayaNa being their day time, dakshiNaayana being their night time (MS 1-67). 24,000 of such solar cycles (approx. our 24,000 years) form a "mahaayuga" comprising of descending 12,000 years from kr`tayuga through kaliyuga (4,800 years of kr`tayuga, 3,600 years of tretaayuga, 2,400 years of dwaaparayuga, and 1,200 years of kaliyuga), and another 12,000 ascending years from kaliyuga through kr`tayuga (MS 1-69, 1-70). Each of these 12,000 years constitutes one yuga for the deva-s (MS 1-71). First half is THEIR uttaraayaNa, the second is THEIR dakshNaayana. One thousand of such devayugas make one "brahma day"; and following 1,000 devayugas make one "brahma night" (MS 1-72). Those who understand these sacred "brahma day and nights", understand the ahoraatra cycle (MS 1-73). Another time division for the 1,000 devayuga is also given therin, comprising of 14 "manvantara"s (MS 1-79). We are now in the 7th manvantara's 28th devayuga cycle since Svaayambhuva, our human ancestor (sankalpa vidhi tradition). PuraaNaas expand this Vedic time cycle analysis further to "brahma aayu" (brahma age = a very big age; nothing to do with Creator Brahma). PuraaNas also throw in a factor of 360 in the above yuga-cycle calculations, though Hindu shaastras other than Aryabhata's "Soorya Siddhanta" probably do not contain this extra factor. This might be an error by the PauraaNikas losing touch with samaadhi and what goes on on the skies. All these Vedic time cycles, all the way upto "brahma aayu", are purely astronomical. The 24,000 year cycle is earth axis's sidereal time of precession. The 14 manvantara-s (or 1,000 devayuga-s = brahma day = brahma night) comprise of the duration during which earth's perihelion moves by 180 degrees. When all these cyclical movements are going on, our Sun himself is orbiting with his family of planets around the Aakaashaganga galactic center (one such sidereal round being one bharma year), our galaxy around our supergalactic center, and this supergalaxy around the "HiraNyagarBha" central axis of the "brahmaanda". Vedic cosmology declares that brahmaanda is egg-shape (ellipsoid) spinning around a "north-south" axis containing the seat of "HiranyagarBha". Where we are in this gigantic time cycle was a debate in the Vedic times just as it is in modern astronomy. Out of the six billion humans, may be a few hundred think about all such perfect learning. Needless to note to you all Jyotishis out there: the 28 nakshatra divisions are the "fixed" references for any of these cycles. Such "fixing" is probably OK till the "brahma day/night"cycle, since these reference stars are still far far way with respect to the size of our galaxy, and when Sun goes around, they still appear fixed. Also, one manvantara corresponds to time duration of one nakshatra division shift of earth orbit's perihelion. Those hoary ancient sages of India living and meditating under trees on the banks of the Saraswati-Dr`shadvati rivers knew something about the world around that we may find difficult to fathom with our modern scientific and technical gadgets and brilliance. Ahah! None of this appears to have come from the Sumerians, Greeks, Romans, or the Atlantis -. All pure prestine Indic wisdom! Homage to that great Mother of all civilizations! May I be born in that first cradle of civilization again and again, so that all my brethren reach Thee! Rhoda Reporter wrote: > > has anyone heard of the WORLD BREATH TIME? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2001 Report Share Posted June 25, 2001 Namastey Tik, >The ancient shaastra Manu Samhita (MS) elaborates this Vedic declaration >into time cycle analysis (1-64 through 1-73), the first two verses in MS >being: Manu Samhita you are referring to is actually 'Manu Smriti'. I just wanted to place the name of this scripture correctly. Among time cycle, other contents are also very useful from 'Muhurta' angle. Shiv Chadha >[vedic astrology] Re: Time Cycle analysis >Mon, 25 Jun 2001 16:04:32 -0400 > >Namasthe. > >Responding to Robert's earlier question (our current >planetary hour based time cycle vs. Vedic time cycle): > >Taittiriya AaraNyaka (MahaanaaraayaNopanishad) gives this: > >sarve nimeshaa jajnire vidyutah purushaadaDhi >kalaa muhoorthaah kaashtaashchaahoraatraashcha sarvashah >ardhamaasaa maasaa r`tavassamvaThsarashcha kaplanthaam > >The ancient shaastra Manu Samhita (MS) elaborates this Vedic >declaration into time cycle analysis (1-64 through 1-73), >the first two verses in MS being: > >nimeshaa dasha chaashtou cha kaashtaa trimshattu taah kalaa >trimshatkalaa muhoortah syaat ahoraatryantu taavatah > >ahoraatre viBhajate sooryo maanusha daivike >raatrih svapnaaya bhootaanaam chestaayai karmaNaamahah > >Vedic time cycle is explained below (my understanding today >- may be wrong, please feel free to give your inputs, >corrections, counterpoints, etc.). This "summary" is rather >long, please forgive me if I am boring. > >Cheers & namasthe, >tik > >Day-night is divided into 30 units called "muhoorta"s. Each >muhoorta is divided into 30 "kalaa"s. Each kalaa is divided >into 30 "kaashtaa"s. (The currently used 60 "ghatika"s per >day-night, 60 "vighatika"s per ghatika is probably recent - >may be a few thousand years old. "Muhoorta" is still widely >used by Jyotishis). > >The lunar cycle (maasa) between krishna paksha prathama to >amaavaasya is the next cycle enveloping our day-night cycle. >Manu Samhita says that this is the day-night cycle for the >pitr`s (MS 1-66). > >The solar cycle of earth going one round (sidereal) is the >next cycle. This is the day-night cycle for the deva-s, >uttaraayaNa being their day time, dakshiNaayana being their >night time (MS 1-67). > >24,000 of such solar cycles (approx. our 24,000 years) form >a "mahaayuga" comprising of descending 12,000 years from >kr`tayuga through kaliyuga (4,800 years of kr`tayuga, 3,600 >years of tretaayuga, 2,400 years of dwaaparayuga, and 1,200 >years of kaliyuga), and another 12,000 ascending years from >kaliyuga through kr`tayuga (MS 1-69, 1-70). > >Each of these 12,000 years constitutes one yuga for the >deva-s (MS 1-71). First half is THEIR uttaraayaNa, the >second is THEIR dakshNaayana. > >One thousand of such devayugas make one "brahma day"; and >following 1,000 devayugas make one "brahma night" (MS 1-72). > >Those who understand these sacred "brahma day and nights", >understand the ahoraatra cycle (MS 1-73). > >Another time division for the 1,000 devayuga is also given >therin, comprising of 14 "manvantara"s (MS 1-79). We are now >in the 7th manvantara's 28th devayuga cycle since >Svaayambhuva, our human ancestor (sankalpa vidhi tradition). > >PuraaNaas expand this Vedic time cycle analysis further to >"brahma aayu" (brahma age = a very big age; nothing to do >with Creator Brahma). PuraaNas also throw in a factor of 360 >in the above yuga-cycle calculations, though Hindu shaastras >other than Aryabhata's "Soorya Siddhanta" probably do not >contain this extra factor. This might be an error by the >PauraaNikas losing touch with samaadhi and what goes on on >the skies. > >All these Vedic time cycles, all the way upto "brahma aayu", >are purely astronomical. The 24,000 year cycle is earth >axis's sidereal time of precession. The 14 manvantara-s (or >1,000 devayuga-s = brahma day = brahma night) comprise of >the duration during which earth's perihelion moves by 180 >degrees. When all these cyclical movements are going on, our >Sun himself is orbiting with his family of planets around >the Aakaashaganga galactic center (one such sidereal round >being one bharma year), our galaxy around our supergalactic >center, and this supergalaxy around the "HiraNyagarBha" >central axis of the "brahmaanda". Vedic cosmology declares >that brahmaanda is egg-shape (ellipsoid) spinning around a >"north-south" axis containing the seat of "HiranyagarBha". >Where we are in this gigantic time cycle was a debate in the >Vedic times just as it is in modern astronomy. Out of the >six billion humans, may be a few hundred think about all >such perfect learning. > >Needless to note to you all Jyotishis out there: the 28 >nakshatra divisions are the "fixed" references for any of >these cycles. Such "fixing" is probably OK till the "brahma >day/night"cycle, since these reference stars are still far >far way with respect to the size of our galaxy, and when Sun >goes around, they still appear fixed. Also, one manvantara >corresponds to time duration of one nakshatra division shift >of earth orbit's perihelion. > >Those hoary ancient sages of India living and meditating >under trees on the banks of the Saraswati-Dr`shadvati rivers >knew something about the world around that we may find >difficult to fathom with our modern scientific and technical >gadgets and brilliance. > >Ahah! None of this appears to have come from the Sumerians, >Greeks, Romans, or the Atlantis -. All pure prestine Indic >wisdom! Homage to that great Mother of all civilizations! >May I be born in that first cradle of civilization again and >again, so that all my brethren reach Thee! > >Rhoda Reporter wrote: > > > > has anyone heard of the WORLD BREATH TIME? > _______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2001 Report Share Posted June 26, 2001 Shiv mahodayaH, namasthe. True, you are right. It is referred to as "Manu Smr`ti" in "recent" works, particularly through its English renditions (even as "The Ordinances of Manu" in an 18th century English translation!); traditional scholars in India I have spoken with have no problem with this "smr`ti" title, since it IS a smr`ti (as opposed to shruti) work. However, the ancient name for this work IS "Manu Samhita", i.e., a compilation done by Vaivasvata Manu and the current version narrated by a sage called Bhrugu. These evidences are in the text itself. Whatever is stated therein was not Manu's ideas or rules but the knowledge, customs and practices that was known or existed in the then communities (MS 1-118). In contrast, smr`ti works such as "Naarada Smr`ti", "Yaajnavalkya Smr`ti", "Bhartr`hari's Neeti Shatakam", etc. are more so the respective author's scholarly work and less a description of the then society or customs. Since all are grouped under "Dharmashaastra-s", it is probable that Manu Samhita also got referred to as "Manu Smr`ti" possibly by the time of Gupta period. But the trouble with "Manu Smr`ti" title is the hell of nonsense it has generated - as one Manu wrote it out of his memory and analysis of the Vedas, and "imposed" rules on the masses. This distortion also makes it easy to brand it along with later "smr`ti" works, although it is an extremely ancient work - of Vedic times when true "VarNaashrama" Dharma (not caste divisions) was in practice. Namasthe, Tik Shiv Chadha wrote: > > Namastey Tik, > > >The ancient shaastra Manu Samhita (MS) elaborates this Vedic declaration > >into time cycle analysis (1-64 through 1-73), the first two verses in MS > >being: > > Manu Samhita you are referring to is actually 'Manu Smriti'. I just wanted > to place the name of this scripture correctly. Among time cycle, other > contents are also very useful from 'Muhurta' angle. > > Shiv Chadha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2001 Report Share Posted July 3, 2001 hora is hour dasha system is the cycles Sally > Robert wrote: > > Dear list, > > I am new to Vedic astrology and have a simple question. I frequently > use the western Planetary Hours to analyze time cycles. I believe > Vedic astrology has a similar method to divide up time into smaller > and smaller sections for time cycle analysis. If there is a name for > the Vedic time cycle method which is similar to western Planetary > Hours please post the name of this method so I can do some research. > > > Thank You > Robert Holt. > > Sponsor > [www.newaydirect.com] > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > > Attachment: vcard [not shown] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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