Guest guest Posted June 22, 2001 Report Share Posted June 22, 2001 Namaste List members, My point about life patterns being different for men and women, *even* if they are born at the same time (or within seconds of each other) is best illustrated with an example. By the way, I have been told that female life expectancy is longer. I stand corrected. Take a male born on 21 June 2001 at 03:41:10 in Mumbai. Take a female born on 21 June 2001 at 03:41:28 in Mumbai (15 seconds later). Now, Mumbai is a large city and I assume you agree that the above is very much possible. The two individuals have: -> the same D-1 -> the same D-3 -> the same D-6, -> the same D-7, -> the same D-8, -> the same D-9, -> the same D-10, -> the same D-11, -> the same D-16, -> the same D-24, -> the same D-27, -> the same D-30. Needless to say, the two individuals have: -> Almost identical Vimshottari dasas and antardasas -> Almost identical Narayana dasas and antardasas -> Almost identical Kalachakra dasas and antardasas However, consider the following: 1. For the male, *on average*, marriage is likely to occur between age 26-31. For the female, then *on average*, marriage is likely to occur between age 22-27. In other words, the same dasa and antardasa combination MAY not bring marriage for both people, even if they have near identical D-1, D-9 and chara karakas. 2. The female is likely to have children at an earlier age than the male. So the same dasa-antardasa combination of planets, as judged from D-1, D-7 or chara karakas is not likely to bring childbirth for these people *at the same time*. 3. The same combinations for power, position and authority exist in both charts. However, the possibility of becoming a political leader, the Chief Executive of a company or even a local leader is *far far higher* for a male than it is for a female. 4. Regardless of what combinations exist in the two charts, there is no way we can rule out the possibility that the two may be born in a different religion, caste, economic class and in vastly different circumstances. 5. Both the male and the female have the same D-1, D-3 and chara karaka for siblings. However, whether they have the same number of siblings is likely to be very different depending on their family and background (educated people typically have small families, while educated people do not use birth control and hence have larger families). In other words, how are astrologers, who DO use D-1 to D-24, but do not use D-150, going to issue predictions about the above charts -- specifically, how are events going to be TIMED ?? Are different dasas and antardasas going to be qualified to give marriage or childbirth depending on the gender of the native?? Are different placements in D-1 and D-10 going to give power, position and authority based on the gender of the native?? How is the varnada lagna going to show the difference in caste/class for these two people ? Look forward to hearing what list members have to say, I remain, Mahalinga Iyer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2001 Report Share Posted June 22, 2001 Namaste Mahalinga, Excellent questions..... I must point out that although you have these 2 hypothetical cases with birth times within 15 seconds of each other....granted all the charts are the same including their Sayanaadi Avastha, the strength of activity of may differ, as it is dependent on the name of the native. Once again this may be the equal only if their names are same. This change in the strength of activity may play an important rule in the *difference*. Regards Narayan vedic astrology, mahalinga_iyer wrote: > Namaste List members, > > My point about life patterns being different for men and women, > *even* if they are born at the same time (or within seconds of each > other) is best illustrated with an example. > > By the way, I have been told that female life expectancy is longer. > I stand corrected. > > Take a male born on 21 June 2001 at 03:41:10 in Mumbai. > Take a female born on 21 June 2001 at 03:41:28 in Mumbai (15 seconds > later). > > Now, Mumbai is a large city and I assume you agree that the above is > very much possible. > > The two individuals have: > > -> the same D-1 > -> the same D-3 > -> the same D-6, > -> the same D-7, > -> the same D-8, > -> the same D-9, > -> the same D-10, > -> the same D-11, > -> the same D-16, > -> the same D-24, > -> the same D-27, > -> the same D-30. > > Needless to say, the two individuals have: > > -> Almost identical Vimshottari dasas and antardasas > -> Almost identical Narayana dasas and antardasas > -> Almost identical Kalachakra dasas and antardasas > > However, consider the following: > > 1. For the male, *on average*, marriage is likely to occur between > age 26-31. For the female, then *on average*, marriage is likely > to occur between age 22-27. In other words, the same dasa and > antardasa combination MAY not bring marriage for both people, > even if they have near identical D-1, D-9 and chara karakas. > > 2. The female is likely to have children at an earlier age than the > male. So the same dasa-antardasa combination of planets, as > judged from D-1, D-7 or chara karakas is not likely to bring > childbirth for these people *at the same time*. > > 3. The same combinations for power, position and authority exist > in both charts. However, the possibility of becoming a political > leader, the Chief Executive of a company or even a local leader > is *far far higher* for a male than it is for a female. > > 4. Regardless of what combinations exist in the two charts, there > is no way we can rule out the possibility that the two may be > born in a different religion, caste, economic class and in > vastly different circumstances. > > 5. Both the male and the female have the same D-1, D-3 and > chara karaka for siblings. However, whether they have the > same number of siblings is likely to be very different depending > on their family and background (educated people typically have > small families, while educated people do not use birth control > and hence have larger families). > > In other words, how are astrologers, who DO use D-1 to D-24, > but do not use D-150, going to issue predictions about the above > charts -- specifically, how are events going to be TIMED ?? Are > different dasas and antardasas going to be qualified to give > marriage or childbirth depending on the gender of the native?? > > Are different placements in D-1 and D-10 going to give power, > position and authority based on the gender of the native?? > > How is the varnada lagna going to show the difference in > caste/class for these two people ? > > Look forward to hearing what list members have to say, > > I remain, > > Mahalinga Iyer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2001 Report Share Posted June 23, 2001 Dear Mahalinga, I am only a beginner in astrology and make no claims whatsoever. But I do feel that your 'questioning' is stretching the matters too much and therefore I would like to intervene. Astrology is about 'WHAT WILL BE' based on a study of 'WHAT IS'. Now your questions are based on 'WHAT WILL BE' based on 'WHAT COULD BE'. One of our basic beliefs is that this world works according to a 'SCHEME' - the happenings are note 'RANDOM OCCURRENCES, as per laws of statistics and averages. Secondly, even if you apply averages, they hold true to the averages - not to individuals. What I mean to say is, though the average marriage age for males is higher than females, there are several cases of early marriage for male & late marriages for females - and husband being younger than wife. Thirdly, hypothetical questioning becomes unfair and illogical if stretched beyond reasonable limits. In such cases, the querist draws up only such scenarios which suit his line of argument and discards the contrary. Fourthly, you must be aware of how many 'LAWS', 'RULES', 'PRINCIPLES' and 'THEORIES' of so called definitive sciences have had to be modified. You have a theory of 'PROBABILITY'. Finally, astrology is for believers - it is for you to decide whether you are one or not. Best wishes, Shailesh - mahalinga_iyer vedic astrology Friday, June 22, 2001 10:53 PM [vedic astrology] Strijataka - an illustration Namaste List members,My point about life patterns being different for men and women,*even* if they are born at the same time (or within seconds of each other) is best illustrated with an example.By the way, I have been told that female life expectancy is longer. I stand corrected.Take a male born on 21 June 2001 at 03:41:10 in Mumbai.Take a female born on 21 June 2001 at 03:41:28 in Mumbai (15 seconds later).Now, Mumbai is a large city and I assume you agree that the above isvery much possible.The two individuals have:-> the same D-1-> the same D-3-> the same D-6,-> the same D-7,-> the same D-8,-> the same D-9,-> the same D-10,-> the same D-11,-> the same D-16,-> the same D-24,-> the same D-27,-> the same D-30.Needless to say, the two individuals have:-> Almost identical Vimshottari dasas and antardasas-> Almost identical Narayana dasas and antardasas-> Almost identical Kalachakra dasas and antardasasHowever, consider the following:1. For the male, *on average*, marriage is likely to occur between age 26-31. For the female, then *on average*, marriage is likely to occur between age 22-27. In other words, the same dasa and antardasa combination MAY not bring marriage for both people, even if they have near identical D-1, D-9 and chara karakas. 2. The female is likely to have children at an earlier age than the male. So the same dasa-antardasa combination of planets, as judged from D-1, D-7 or chara karakas is not likely to bring childbirth for these people *at the same time*.3. The same combinations for power, position and authority exist in both charts. However, the possibility of becoming a political leader, the Chief Executive of a company or even a local leader is *far far higher* for a male than it is for a female.4. Regardless of what combinations exist in the two charts, there is no way we can rule out the possibility that the two may be born in a different religion, caste, economic class and in vastly different circumstances.5. Both the male and the female have the same D-1, D-3 and chara karaka for siblings. However, whether they have the same number of siblings is likely to be very different depending on their family and background (educated people typically have small families, while educated people do not use birth control and hence have larger families). In other words, how are astrologers, who DO use D-1 to D-24, but do not use D-150, going to issue predictions about the abovecharts -- specifically, how are events going to be TIMED ?? Aredifferent dasas and antardasas going to be qualified to givemarriage or childbirth depending on the gender of the native??Are different placements in D-1 and D-10 going to give power,position and authority based on the gender of the native??How is the varnada lagna going to show the difference in caste/class for these two people ?Look forward to hearing what list members have to say,I remain,Mahalinga IyerArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2001 Report Share Posted June 23, 2001 Namaste Shailesh, I apologise if my questioning seems unfair to you. I am not trying to load my arguments in any way. I am only saying that: 1. We as astrologers predict and time events based on when someone is born. 2. Male and female births are interspersed, especially in crowded places like Mumbai 3. Social conditions dictate that some common events that we time, happen earlier for women than they do for men. How do we as astrologers (amateur or professional) explain the above? I do not see what in the above marks me out as a non-believer in astrology? At the very WORST, we are going to conclude that astrology cannot explain 'everything' and that there is a Divine Hand that plays a role. What is the shame or defeat in admitting that? I remain, Mahalinga Iyer vedic astrology, "SCC@H..." <scchadha@h...> wrote: > Dear Mahalinga, > > I am only a beginner in astrology and make no claims whatsoever. > > But I do feel that your 'questioning' is stretching the matters too much and therefore I would like to intervene. > > Astrology is about 'WHAT WILL BE' based on a study of 'WHAT IS'. > > Now your questions are based on 'WHAT WILL BE' based on 'WHAT COULD BE'. > > One of our basic beliefs is that this world works according to a 'SCHEME' - the happenings are note 'RANDOM OCCURRENCES, as per laws of statistics and averages. > > Secondly, even if you apply averages, they hold true to the averages - not to individuals. What I mean to say is, though the average marriage age for males is higher than females, there are several cases of early marriage for male & late marriages for females - and husband being younger than wife. > > Thirdly, hypothetical questioning becomes unfair and illogical if stretched beyond reasonable limits. In such cases, the querist draws up only such scenarios which suit his line of argument and discards the contrary. > > Fourthly, you must be aware of how many 'LAWS', 'RULES', 'PRINCIPLES' and 'THEORIES' of so called definitive sciences have had to be modified. You have a theory of 'PROBABILITY'. > > Finally, astrology is for believers - it is for you to decide whether you are one or not. > > Best wishes, > > Shailesh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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