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Namaste List members,

 

My point about life patterns being different for men and women,

*even* if they are born at the same time (or within seconds of each

other) is best illustrated with an example.

 

By the way, I have been told that female life expectancy is longer.

I stand corrected.

 

Take a male born on 21 June 2001 at 03:41:10 in Mumbai.

Take a female born on 21 June 2001 at 03:41:28 in Mumbai (15 seconds

later).

 

Now, Mumbai is a large city and I assume you agree that the above is

very much possible.

 

The two individuals have:

 

-> the same D-1

-> the same D-3

-> the same D-6,

-> the same D-7,

-> the same D-8,

-> the same D-9,

-> the same D-10,

-> the same D-11,

-> the same D-16,

-> the same D-24,

-> the same D-27,

-> the same D-30.

 

Needless to say, the two individuals have:

 

-> Almost identical Vimshottari dasas and antardasas

-> Almost identical Narayana dasas and antardasas

-> Almost identical Kalachakra dasas and antardasas

 

However, consider the following:

 

1. For the male, *on average*, marriage is likely to occur between

age 26-31. For the female, then *on average*, marriage is likely

to occur between age 22-27. In other words, the same dasa and

antardasa combination MAY not bring marriage for both people,

even if they have near identical D-1, D-9 and chara karakas.

 

2. The female is likely to have children at an earlier age than the

male. So the same dasa-antardasa combination of planets, as

judged from D-1, D-7 or chara karakas is not likely to bring

childbirth for these people *at the same time*.

 

3. The same combinations for power, position and authority exist

in both charts. However, the possibility of becoming a political

leader, the Chief Executive of a company or even a local leader

is *far far higher* for a male than it is for a female.

 

4. Regardless of what combinations exist in the two charts, there

is no way we can rule out the possibility that the two may be

born in a different religion, caste, economic class and in

vastly different circumstances.

 

5. Both the male and the female have the same D-1, D-3 and

chara karaka for siblings. However, whether they have the

same number of siblings is likely to be very different depending

on their family and background (educated people typically have

small families, while educated people do not use birth control

and hence have larger families).

 

In other words, how are astrologers, who DO use D-1 to D-24,

but do not use D-150, going to issue predictions about the above

charts -- specifically, how are events going to be TIMED ?? Are

different dasas and antardasas going to be qualified to give

marriage or childbirth depending on the gender of the native??

 

Are different placements in D-1 and D-10 going to give power,

position and authority based on the gender of the native??

 

How is the varnada lagna going to show the difference in

caste/class for these two people ?

 

Look forward to hearing what list members have to say,

 

I remain,

 

Mahalinga Iyer

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Namaste Mahalinga,

 

Excellent questions.....

 

I must point out that although you have these 2 hypothetical cases with birth

times within 15 seconds of each other....granted all the charts are the same

including their Sayanaadi Avastha, the strength of activity of may differ, as it

is dependent on the name of the native. Once again this may be the equal only if

their names are same.

 

This change in the strength of activity may play an important rule in the

*difference*.

 

Regards

Narayan

 

 

vedic astrology, mahalinga_iyer wrote:

> Namaste List members,

>

> My point about life patterns being different for men and women,

> *even* if they are born at the same time (or within seconds of each

> other) is best illustrated with an example.

>

> By the way, I have been told that female life expectancy is longer.

> I stand corrected.

>

> Take a male born on 21 June 2001 at 03:41:10 in Mumbai.

> Take a female born on 21 June 2001 at 03:41:28 in Mumbai (15 seconds

> later).

>

> Now, Mumbai is a large city and I assume you agree that the above is

> very much possible.

>

> The two individuals have:

>

> -> the same D-1

> -> the same D-3

> -> the same D-6,

> -> the same D-7,

> -> the same D-8,

> -> the same D-9,

> -> the same D-10,

> -> the same D-11,

> -> the same D-16,

> -> the same D-24,

> -> the same D-27,

> -> the same D-30.

>

> Needless to say, the two individuals have:

>

> -> Almost identical Vimshottari dasas and antardasas

> -> Almost identical Narayana dasas and antardasas

> -> Almost identical Kalachakra dasas and antardasas

>

> However, consider the following:

>

> 1. For the male, *on average*, marriage is likely to occur between

> age 26-31. For the female, then *on average*, marriage is likely

> to occur between age 22-27. In other words, the same dasa and

> antardasa combination MAY not bring marriage for both people,

> even if they have near identical D-1, D-9 and chara karakas.

>

> 2. The female is likely to have children at an earlier age than the

> male. So the same dasa-antardasa combination of planets, as

> judged from D-1, D-7 or chara karakas is not likely to bring

> childbirth for these people *at the same time*.

>

> 3. The same combinations for power, position and authority exist

> in both charts. However, the possibility of becoming a political

> leader, the Chief Executive of a company or even a local leader

> is *far far higher* for a male than it is for a female.

>

> 4. Regardless of what combinations exist in the two charts, there

> is no way we can rule out the possibility that the two may be

> born in a different religion, caste, economic class and in

> vastly different circumstances.

>

> 5. Both the male and the female have the same D-1, D-3 and

> chara karaka for siblings. However, whether they have the

> same number of siblings is likely to be very different depending

> on their family and background (educated people typically have

> small families, while educated people do not use birth control

> and hence have larger families).

>

> In other words, how are astrologers, who DO use D-1 to D-24,

> but do not use D-150, going to issue predictions about the above

> charts -- specifically, how are events going to be TIMED ?? Are

> different dasas and antardasas going to be qualified to give

> marriage or childbirth depending on the gender of the native??

>

> Are different placements in D-1 and D-10 going to give power,

> position and authority based on the gender of the native??

>

> How is the varnada lagna going to show the difference in

> caste/class for these two people ?

>

> Look forward to hearing what list members have to say,

>

> I remain,

>

> Mahalinga Iyer

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Dear Mahalinga,

 

I am only a beginner in astrology and make no claims whatsoever.

 

But I do feel that your 'questioning' is stretching the matters too much and

therefore I would like to intervene.

 

Astrology is about 'WHAT WILL BE' based on a study of 'WHAT IS'.

 

Now your questions are based on 'WHAT WILL BE' based on 'WHAT COULD BE'.

 

One of our basic beliefs is that this world works according to a 'SCHEME' - the

happenings are note 'RANDOM OCCURRENCES, as per laws of statistics and

averages.

 

Secondly, even if you apply averages, they hold true to the averages - not to

individuals. What I mean to say is, though the average marriage age for males

is higher than females, there are several cases of early marriage for male &

late marriages for females - and husband being younger than wife.

 

Thirdly, hypothetical questioning becomes unfair and illogical if stretched

beyond reasonable limits. In such cases, the querist draws up only such

scenarios which suit his line of argument and discards the contrary.

 

Fourthly, you must be aware of how many 'LAWS', 'RULES', 'PRINCIPLES' and

'THEORIES' of so called definitive sciences have had to be modified. You have a

theory of 'PROBABILITY'.

 

Finally, astrology is for believers - it is for you to decide whether you are one or not.

 

Best wishes,

 

Shailesh

 

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mahalinga_iyer

vedic astrology

Friday, June 22, 2001 10:53 PM

[vedic astrology] Strijataka - an illustration

Namaste List members,My point about life patterns being different for men and

women,*even* if they are born at the same time (or within seconds of each

other) is best illustrated with an example.By the way, I have been told that

female life expectancy is longer. I stand corrected.Take a male born on 21 June

2001 at 03:41:10 in Mumbai.Take a female born on 21 June 2001 at 03:41:28 in

Mumbai (15 seconds later).Now, Mumbai is a large city and I assume you agree

that the above isvery much possible.The two individuals have:-> the same D-1->

the same D-3-> the same D-6,-> the same D-7,-> the same D-8,-> the same D-9,->

the same D-10,-> the same D-11,-> the same D-16,-> the same D-24,-> the same

D-27,-> the same D-30.Needless to say, the two individuals have:-> Almost

identical Vimshottari dasas and antardasas-> Almost identical Narayana dasas

and antardasas-> Almost identical Kalachakra dasas and antardasasHowever,

consider the following:1. For the male, *on average*, marriage is likely to

occur between age 26-31. For the female, then *on average*, marriage is

likely to occur between age 22-27. In other words, the same dasa and

antardasa combination MAY not bring marriage for both people, even if they

have near identical D-1, D-9 and chara karakas. 2. The female is likely to have

children at an earlier age than the male. So the same dasa-antardasa

combination of planets, as judged from D-1, D-7 or chara karakas is not

likely to bring childbirth for these people *at the same time*.3. The same

combinations for power, position and authority exist in both charts.

However, the possibility of becoming a political leader, the Chief Executive

of a company or even a local leader is *far far higher* for a male than it is

for a female.4. Regardless of what combinations exist in the two charts, there

is no way we can rule out the possibility that the two may be born in a

different religion, caste, economic class and in vastly different

circumstances.5. Both the male and the female have the same D-1, D-3 and

chara karaka for siblings. However, whether they have the same number of

siblings is likely to be very different depending on their family and

background (educated people typically have small families, while educated

people do not use birth control and hence have larger families). In other

words, how are astrologers, who DO use D-1 to D-24, but do not use D-150, going

to issue predictions about the abovecharts -- specifically, how are events going

to be TIMED ?? Aredifferent dasas and antardasas going to be qualified to

givemarriage or childbirth depending on the gender of the native??Are different

placements in D-1 and D-10 going to give power,position and authority based on

the gender of the native??How is the varnada lagna going to show the difference

in caste/class for these two people ?Look forward to hearing what list members

have to say,I remain,Mahalinga IyerArchives:

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Namaste Shailesh,

 

I apologise if my questioning seems unfair to you. I am not trying to

load my arguments in any way. I am only saying that:

 

1. We as astrologers predict and time events based on when someone

is born.

 

2. Male and female births are interspersed, especially in crowded

places like Mumbai

 

3. Social conditions dictate that some common events that we time,

happen earlier for women than they do for men.

 

How do we as astrologers (amateur or professional) explain the

above?

 

I do not see what in the above marks me out as a non-believer in

astrology? At the very WORST, we are going to conclude that astrology

cannot explain 'everything' and that there is a Divine

Hand that plays a role. What is the shame or defeat in admitting

that?

 

I remain,

 

Mahalinga Iyer

 

vedic astrology, "SCC@H..." <scchadha@h...> wrote:

> Dear Mahalinga,

>

> I am only a beginner in astrology and make no claims whatsoever.

>

> But I do feel that your 'questioning' is stretching the matters too

much and therefore I would like to intervene.

>

> Astrology is about 'WHAT WILL BE' based on a study of 'WHAT IS'.

>

> Now your questions are based on 'WHAT WILL BE' based on 'WHAT COULD

BE'.

>

> One of our basic beliefs is that this world works according to a

'SCHEME' - the happenings are note 'RANDOM OCCURRENCES, as per laws

of

statistics and averages.

>

> Secondly, even if you apply averages, they hold true to the

averages

- not to individuals. What I mean to say is, though the average

marriage age for males is higher than females, there are several

cases

of early marriage for male & late marriages for females - and husband

being younger than wife.

>

> Thirdly, hypothetical questioning becomes unfair and illogical if

stretched beyond reasonable limits. In such cases, the querist draws

up only such scenarios which suit his line of argument and discards

the contrary.

>

> Fourthly, you must be aware of how many 'LAWS', 'RULES',

'PRINCIPLES' and 'THEORIES' of so called definitive sciences have had

to be modified. You have a theory of 'PROBABILITY'.

>

> Finally, astrology is for believers - it is for you to decide

whether you are one or not.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Shailesh

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