Is D-1 a superset of other D-charts? (for Mahalinga)

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Namaste Mahalinga,

 

>The parents charts' may *indicate* a powerful child. I don't believe

>charts "lift up" or "pull down" anybody. In any case, can you

>illustrate what you are saying further?

 

BPHS 77 14. "The attributes of the native are dependent on his father

and mother, his time of birth, and the persons he gets associated

with. These are the root causes of Uttama, etc., qualities possessed

by him. The attributes endowed by the time of the birth and

associations are stronger than those received from the parents."

 

Parasar shows that while the time of birth is a factor, the father,

mother and people associated with also play a significant role. He

equates the attributes from the time of birth equally with the people

associated with, and the parents a little less. The time of birth is

factored separately from the people associated with, and Parasar

makes it clear that you cannot make a completely accurate judgment by

just looking at the birth details.

 

BPHS 9 2. "Evils causing premature end exist up to the 24th year of

one's age, As such, no definite calculation of life span should be

made till such year of age."

 

This principle of Parasar's is that due to the karmas of the mother

or father the child will die up until 24, irrespective of the

strength of his chart. If it were possible to gauge his longevity

from his chart alone, this sloka would be unnecessary.

 

This passage shows that the fate of others can in situations override

the destiny indicated by their own natal charts. This is despite the

*indications* in the chart of the child, that may be for superb

longevity. At youth the prime association of the child is with the

parents, hence their ability to adversely affect the child's destiny.

 

>>Likewise the charts of all family members, wife, friends, etc will

>>affect the destiny of the person. Similarly the past generations of

>>family, local townsmen, and so on. Even the fate of the country in

>>such cases.There are millions of factors externally influencing the

>>chart of the owners through their own karmas.

 

>Sure. But are you suggesting I take a quick look at a random sample

>of local townsmen's charts?

 

of course, what are you, lazy?? ;-) What I am saying is that these

will all have a subtle influence on the chart of the person. That is

why there will always be differences between charts, even when

identical. And it does render many particulars impossible, leaving

astrology probabilistic.

 

Whereas it is not possible to look at the charts of every

townsperson, you can understand the character and philosophies of the

people, as well as the level of social/technological development, and

these will form the basis from which you can interpret the chart. The

identical chart 10 000 years ago will not indicate study of computer

science, but would indicate study of a science prevalent at that

time, such as construction of yantras, which requires mathematical

precision. People born in the Satya yuga with the same planetary

combinations will be far more Sattvic in nature than those born in

the degraded Kali yuga, because the overall vibrations of the entire

planet are more Tamasic in the Kali yuga.

 

>Look, I am not saying nothing other than the chart will influence

>the destiny of the person. My question has to do with how we are

>going to analyze a chart to see those influences.

 

The level of accuracy you desire is not possible. Keeping Parasar's

dictum in mind, it is not possible to judge from the birth chart

alone, and at least all other important people in the person's life

must also be analyzed to get the most accurate picture. This can be

done approximately by getting life information verbally from the

native to understand their background and associations.

 

Take an example of two people born with the exact same charts, one

the son of Bill Gates, the other the daughter of a beggar. Astrology

aside, using your logic, how can their two fates be the same? If the

influence of other charts, the time and place are not taken into

consideration, how can detailed and precise predictions be made? -

Their fates are different from the start.

 

>In my opinion, sorry - analyzing the parents' or siblings' charts

>is not an option, it would complicate the picture further. Other

>list members may or may not agree with you on this...

 

Do you think jyotish is not complicated? Should it be a simple

mathematical formula? How can this then be an accurate representation

of the complexity and variability of life?

 

BPHS 66 11 "The main purposes of this Jyotish Shastra are to

determine the longevity and joys and sorrows of the people, but

because the movements of the planets are so subtle, even sages like

Vashista and Brihaspati have not been able to be quite definite in

this respect. Then, how can a common man, particularly in Kaliyuga do

so."

 

As to why the charts of other people affect yours Parasar does not go

into this in BPHS. However Parasar's son Veda Vyasa compiled the

Vedas and the Gita. These can be read for an explanation of these

principles. These works explain many of the concepts found in

Parasar's jyotish classic. A good starting point is the Bhagavad

Gita, as this is very brief, but discusses several important

principles of jyotish.

 

All the best,

 

Alex J

[Guest guest]

AUM SRI GURUVE NAMAH

Dear Alex!

Some points to ponder.....

 

Alex J <lostinmotion (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>

> Namaste Mahalinga,> > >The parents charts' may *indicate* a powerful child. I

don't believe> >charts "lift up" or "pull down" anybody. In any case, can you>

>illustrate what you are saying further? > > BPHS 77 14. "The attributes of the

native are dependent on his father > and mother, his time of birth, and the

persons he gets associated > with. These are the root causes of Uttama, etc.,

qualities possessed > by him. The attributes endowed by the time of the birth

and > associations are stronger than those received from the parents."

Eventhough this is true, however, it is nowhere mentioned that you cannot see

those indications of influence of parents over the native from the native's

horoscope.

 

 

> > Parasar shows that while the time of birth is a factor, the father, > mother

and people associated with also play a significant role. He > equates the

attributes from the time of birth equally with the people > associated with,

and the parents a little less. The time of birth is > factored separately from

the people associated with, and Parasar > makes it clear that you cannot make a

completely accurate judgment by > just looking at the birth details. >

> BPHS 9 2. "Evils causing premature end exist up to the 24th year of > one's

age, As such, no definite calculation of life span should be > made till such

year of age."> > This principle of Parasar's is that due to the karmas of the

mother > or father the child will die up until 24, irrespective of the >

strength of his chart. If it were possible to gauge his longevity > from his

chart alone, this sloka would be unnecessary.

This can be also interpreted as, by applying the standard principles of

longivity, the longevity of a individual (upto 12yrs of age) can't be computed.

If computation of the age of a child has been immpossible, then what is the

significance of yogas for balarishta or premature death (matrushrap, pitrushrap

etc.).

 

If the principles of life and death are consistent without any exceptions, then

how can there be exceptions in deciphering the horoscope. This is only human

limitations, that we are unable to decipher all events correctly.

> This passage shows that the fate of others can in situations override > the

destiny indicated by their own natal charts. This is despite the >

*indications* in the chart of the child, that may be for superb > longevity. At

youth the prime association of the child is with the > parents, hence their

ability to adversely affect the child's destiny.

Nobody affects none. In the realm of maya, we see the causality. There is only

closely knit interrelations among all the body of the universe. If someone

seems to be influencing somebody happens only because the latter is supposed to

be influenced(by someone) and both the indications can be deciphered from the

horoscope.

 

> > >>Likewise the charts of all family members, wife, friends, etc will >

>>affect the destiny of the person. Similarly the past generations of >

>>family, local townsmen, and so on. Even the fate of the country in > >>such

cases.There are millions of factors externally influencing the > >>chart of the

owners through their own karmas. >

 

Even though this is true, they can't override the native's horoscope. The

influences also come under the purview of the individual's horoscope.

 

> >Sure. But are you suggesting I take a quick look at a random sample> >of

local townsmen's charts? > > of course, what are you, lazy?? ;-) What I am

saying is that these > will all have a subtle influence on the chart of the

person. That is > why there will always be differences between charts, even

when > identical. And it does render many particulars impossible, leaving >

astrology probabilistic. > > Whereas it is not possible to look at the charts

of every > townsperson, you can understand the character and philosophies of

the > people, as well as the level of social/technological development, and >

these will form the basis from which you can interpret the chart. The >

identical chart 10 000 years ago will not indicate study of computer > science,

but would indicate study of a science prevalent at that > time, such as

construction of yantras, which requires mathematical > precision. People born

in the Satya yuga with the same planetary > combinations will be far more

Sattvic in nature than those born in > the degraded Kali yuga, because the

overall vibrations of the entire > planet are more Tamasic in the Kali yuga. >

> >Look, I am not saying nothing other than the chart will influence> >the

destiny of the person. My question has to do with how we are> >going to analyze

a chart to see those influences. > > The level of accuracy you desire is not

possible. Keeping Parasar's > dictum in mind, it is not possible to judge from

the birth chart > alone, and at least all other important people in the

person's life > must also be analyzed to get the most accurate picture. This

can be > done approximately by getting life information verbally from the >

native to understand their background and associations. >

 

This is because of our own limitations, not necessarily because of the limitations in Jyotish.

> Take an example of two people born with the exact same charts, one > the son

of Bill Gates, the other the daughter of a beggar. Astrology > aside, using

your logic, how can their two fates be the same? If the > influence of other

charts, the time and place are not taken into > consideration, how can detailed

and precise predictions be made? - > Their fates are different from the start.>

 

Can't you determine whether one is born in a king's home or a begger's home from an horoscope.

> >In my opinion, sorry - analyzing the parents' or siblings' charts> >is not an

option, it would complicate the picture further. Other> >list members may or may

not agree with you on this...>

 

Sometime's the indications of something is not quite clear from one's horoscope

(human limitations), in such circumastances taking multiple cue is always

helpful.

 

> Do you think jyotish is not complicated? Should it be a simple > mathematical

formula? How can this then be an accurate representation > of the complexity

and variability of life? > > BPHS 66 11 "The main purposes of this Jyotish

Shastra are to > determine the longevity and joys and sorrows of the people,

but > because the movements of the planets are so subtle, even sages like >

Vashista and Brihaspati have not been able to be quite definite in > this

respect. Then, how can a common man, particularly in Kaliyuga do > so.">

 

This is true, we humans in Kali Yuga has limited abilities, but nothing stops us

to circumvent those limitations through tapasya and become a capable jyotishi.

> As to why the charts of other people affect yours Parasar does not go > into

this in BPHS. However Parasar's son Veda Vyasa compiled the > Vedas and the

Gita. These can be read for an explanation of these > principles. These works

explain many of the concepts found in > Parasar's jyotish classic. A good

starting point is the Bhagavad > Gita, as this is very brief, but discusses

several important > principles of jyotish. > > All the best,> > Alex J> >

 

Seemed to have created more confusion. But these are my humble opinion.........

 

With best regards

Sarajit Poddar

 

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