parents fate overriding destiny of children

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Namaste Alex,

 

> This passage shows that the fate of others can in situations override

> the destiny indicated by their own natal charts. This is despite the

> *indications* in the chart of the child, that may be for superb

> longevity. At youth the prime association of the child is with the

> parents, hence their ability to adversely affect the child's destiny.

 

Well argued! I like your analysis. Some time ago someone wanted to know

whether or not all people who died in a plane crash would have been running

maraka periods. Could it be possible that the pilot´s ill fate or action was

overriding that of the ( or at least some) passengers? I am asking because,

as is evident from your post, there is such a thing as akala mrityu or

untimely death (I know that there is a Puranic shloka which uses this term.

It says there that akala mrityu is prevented if one drinks the water which

has been offered to Vishnu). A childs destined longevity can be curtailed due

to the fault or negligence of the parent (e.g. fathers gets drunk and crashes

the car). Can a pilots fate override the fate of the passengers? What do you

think?

 

 

regards,

 

Anantarupa

 

 

 

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

> >>Likewise the charts of all family members, wife, friends, etc will

> >>affect the destiny of the person. Similarly the past generations of

> >>family, local townsmen, and so on. Even the fate of the country in

> >>such cases.There are millions of factors externally influencing the

> >>chart of the owners through their own karmas.

>

> >Sure. But are you suggesting I take a quick look at a random sample

> >of local townsmen's charts?

>

> of course, what are you, lazy?? ;-) What I am saying is that these

> will all have a subtle influence on the chart of the person. That is

> why there will always be differences between charts, even when

> identical. And it does render many particulars impossible, leaving

> astrology probabilistic.

>

> Whereas it is not possible to look at the charts of every

> townsperson, you can understand the character and philosophies of the

> people, as well as the level of social/technological development, and

> these will form the basis from which you can interpret the chart. The

> identical chart 10 000 years ago will not indicate study of computer

> science, but would indicate study of a science prevalent at that

> time, such as construction of yantras, which requires mathematical

> precision. People born in the Satya yuga with the same planetary

> combinations will be far more Sattvic in nature than those born in

> the degraded Kali yuga, because the overall vibrations of the entire

> planet are more Tamasic in the Kali yuga.

>

> >Look, I am not saying nothing other than the chart will influence

> >the destiny of the person. My question has to do with how we are

> >going to analyze a chart to see those influences.

>

> The level of accuracy you desire is not possible. Keeping Parasar's

> dictum in mind, it is not possible to judge from the birth chart

> alone, and at least all other important people in the person's life

> must also be analyzed to get the most accurate picture. This can be

> done approximately by getting life information verbally from the

> native to understand their background and associations.

>

> Take an example of two people born with the exact same charts, one

> the son of Bill Gates, the other the daughter of a beggar. Astrology

> aside, using your logic, how can their two fates be the same? If the

> influence of other charts, the time and place are not taken into

> consideration, how can detailed and precise predictions be made? -

> Their fates are different from the start.

>

> >In my opinion, sorry - analyzing the parents' or siblings' charts

> >is not an option, it would complicate the picture further. Other

> >list members may or may not agree with you on this...

>

> Do you think jyotish is not complicated? Should it be a simple

> mathematical formula? How can this then be an accurate representation

> of the complexity and variability of life?

>

> BPHS 66 11 "The main purposes of this Jyotish Shastra are to

> determine the longevity and joys and sorrows of the people, but

> because the movements of the planets are so subtle, even sages like

> Vashista and Brihaspati have not been able to be quite definite in

> this respect. Then, how can a common man, particularly in Kaliyuga do

> so."

>

> As to why the charts of other people affect yours Parasar does not go

> into this in BPHS. However Parasar's son Veda Vyasa compiled the

> Vedas and the Gita. These can be read for an explanation of these

> principles. These works explain many of the concepts found in

> Parasar's jyotish classic. A good starting point is the Bhagavad

> Gita, as this is very brief, but discusses several important

> principles of jyotish.

>

> All the best,

>

> Alex J

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

>

>

>

> Your use of is subject to

[Guest guest]

Namaste Alex & Arno.

 

I must disagree that there is an "Overriding" effect of Fate of the parents

towards the child. Instead its a mutual fate. Parasara gave the chapter; Evils

at birth, for us to look for the Aristha combinations that prevail until the

24th year of birth. Alex is otherwise completely right.

 

But there is no such thing as overriding fate! The child is destined to die at

the desired age, whether it be attributed to the parents or others, its still

part of its karma.

 

Hence a Pilot cannot override the fate of his passengers, because they also

earned these karmic indicators, as does the captain and his passengers.

 

They all chose their fate according to the karmas they must fulfill.

 

Best wishes, Viti.

-

Arno Holzmann

vedic astrology

Monday, June 25, 2001 11:33 AM

[vedic astrology] parents fate overriding destiny of children

Namaste Alex,> This passage shows that the fate of others can in situations

override> the destiny indicated by their own natal charts. This is despite the>

*indications* in the chart of the child, that may be for superb> longevity. At

youth the prime association of the child is with the> parents, hence their

ability to adversely affect the child's destiny.Well argued! I like your

analysis. Some time ago someone wanted to knowwhether or not all people who

died in a plane crash would have been runningmaraka periods. Could it be

possible that the pilot´s ill fate or action wasoverriding that of the ( or at

least some) passengers? I am asking because,as is evident from your post, there

is such a thing as akala mrityu oruntimely death (I know that there is a Puranic

shloka which uses this term.It says there that akala mrityu is prevented if one

drinks the water whichhas been offered to Vishnu). A childs destined longevity

can be curtailed dueto the fault or negligence of the parent (e.g. fathers gets

drunk and crashesthe car). Can a pilots fate override the fate of the

passengers? What do youthink?regards,Anantarupa>>> >>Likewise the charts of all

family members, wife, friends, etc will> >>affect the destiny of the person.

Similarly the past generations of> >>family, local townsmen, and so on. Even

the fate of the country in> >>such cases.There are millions of factors

externally influencing the> >>chart of the owners through their own karmas.>>

>Sure. But are you suggesting I take a quick look at a random sample> >of local

townsmen's charts? >> of course, what are you, lazy?? ;-) What I am saying is

that these> will all have a subtle influence on the chart of the person. That

is> why there will always be differences between charts, even when> identical.

And it does render many particulars impossible, leaving> astrology

probabilistic.>> Whereas it is not possible to look at the charts of every>

townsperson, you can understand the character and philosophies of the> people,

as well as the level of social/technological development, and> these will form

the basis from which you can interpret the chart. The> identical chart 10 000

years ago will not indicate study of computer> science, but would indicate

study of a science prevalent at that> time, such as construction of yantras,

which requires mathematical> precision. People born in the Satya yuga with the

same planetary> combinations will be far more Sattvic in nature than those born

in> the degraded Kali yuga, because the overall vibrations of the entire> planet

are more Tamasic in the Kali yuga.>> >Look, I am not saying nothing other than

the chart will influence> >the destiny of the person. My question has to do

with how we are> >going to analyze a chart to see those influences.>> The level

of accuracy you desire is not possible. Keeping Parasar's> dictum in mind, it is

not possible to judge from the birth chart> alone, and at least all other

important people in the person's life> must also be analyzed to get the most

accurate picture. This can be> done approximately by getting life information

verbally from the> native to understand their background and associations.>>

Take an example of two people born with the exact same charts, one> the son of

Bill Gates, the other the daughter of a beggar. Astrology> aside, using your

logic, how can their two fates be the same? If the> influence of other charts,

the time and place are not taken into> consideration, how can detailed and

precise predictions be made? -> Their fates are different from the start.>> >In

my opinion, sorry - analyzing the parents' or siblings' charts> >is not an

option, it would complicate the picture further. Other> >list members may or

may not agree with you on this...>> Do you think jyotish is not complicated?

Should it be a simple> mathematical formula? How can this then be an accurate

representation> of the complexity and variability of life?>> BPHS 66 11 "The

main purposes of this Jyotish Shastra are to> determine the longevity and joys

and sorrows of the people, but> because the movements of the planets are so

subtle, even sages like> Vashista and Brihaspati have not been able to be quite

definite in> this respect. Then, how can a common man, particularly in Kaliyuga

do> so.">> As to why the charts of other people affect yours Parasar does not

go> into this in BPHS. However Parasar's son Veda Vyasa compiled the> Vedas and

the Gita. These can be read for an explanation of these> principles. These works

explain many of the concepts found in> Parasar's jyotish classic. A good

starting point is the Bhagavad> Gita, as this is very brief, but discusses

several important> principles of jyotish.>> All the best,>> Alex J>> Archives:

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AUM SRI GURUVE NAMAH

Hi Arno!

 

I completely agree with Visti. There is no overriding factor. There will be

maraka periods running in the horoscopes of all the passengers died in the

plane crash. Nothing in this universe is an accident... all follow some

rule.

 

Akala mrityu mean Death (Mrityu) before the actual time (kaala) comes. But

here the actual time is not the destined time of native's death but the

average longivity of the individual. If the average longivity of person in a

place is 60yrs and someone dies at 20th yeat, we say that the individual has

dies before time. However, the time we mention here is not the destined time

of death but the average time of death of individuals at that place.

 

When people die in accidents, we call the person died with akaala mrityu.

However, we must understand, nothing is an accident for an astrologer, who

can see the future. These accidets are mere cause of death like other cause

such as old age or cardiac arrest.

 

Regards

Sarajit Poddar

 

 

-

Arno Holzmann <arno.holzmann

<vedic astrology>

Monday, June 25, 2001 3:03 PM

[vedic astrology] parents fate overriding destiny of children

 

 

> Namaste Alex,

>

> > This passage shows that the fate of others can in situations override

> > the destiny indicated by their own natal charts. This is despite the

> > *indications* in the chart of the child, that may be for superb

> > longevity. At youth the prime association of the child is with the

> > parents, hence their ability to adversely affect the child's destiny.

>

> Well argued! I like your analysis. Some time ago someone wanted to know

> whether or not all people who died in a plane crash would have been

running

> maraka periods. Could it be possible that the pilot´s ill fate or action

was

> overriding that of the ( or at least some) passengers? I am asking

because,

> as is evident from your post, there is such a thing as akala mrityu or

> untimely death (I know that there is a Puranic shloka which uses this

term.

> It says there that akala mrityu is prevented if one drinks the water

which

> has been offered to Vishnu). A childs destined longevity can be curtailed

due

> to the fault or negligence of the parent (e.g. fathers gets drunk and

crashes

> the car). Can a pilots fate override the fate of the passengers? What do

you

> think?

>

>

> regards,

>

> Anantarupa

>

>

>

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

> > >>Likewise the charts of all family members, wife, friends, etc will

> > >>affect the destiny of the person. Similarly the past generations of

> > >>family, local townsmen, and so on. Even the fate of the country in

> > >>such cases.There are millions of factors externally influencing the

> > >>chart of the owners through their own karmas.

> >

> > >Sure. But are you suggesting I take a quick look at a random sample

> > >of local townsmen's charts?

> >

> > of course, what are you, lazy?? ;-) What I am saying is that these

> > will all have a subtle influence on the chart of the person. That is

> > why there will always be differences between charts, even when

> > identical. And it does render many particulars impossible, leaving

> > astrology probabilistic.

> >

> > Whereas it is not possible to look at the charts of every

> > townsperson, you can understand the character and philosophies of the

> > people, as well as the level of social/technological development, and

> > these will form the basis from which you can interpret the chart. The

> > identical chart 10 000 years ago will not indicate study of computer

> > science, but would indicate study of a science prevalent at that

> > time, such as construction of yantras, which requires mathematical

> > precision. People born in the Satya yuga with the same planetary

> > combinations will be far more Sattvic in nature than those born in

> > the degraded Kali yuga, because the overall vibrations of the entire

> > planet are more Tamasic in the Kali yuga.

> >

> > >Look, I am not saying nothing other than the chart will influence

> > >the destiny of the person. My question has to do with how we are

> > >going to analyze a chart to see those influences.

> >

> > The level of accuracy you desire is not possible. Keeping Parasar's

> > dictum in mind, it is not possible to judge from the birth chart

> > alone, and at least all other important people in the person's life

> > must also be analyzed to get the most accurate picture. This can be

> > done approximately by getting life information verbally from the

> > native to understand their background and associations.

> >

> > Take an example of two people born with the exact same charts, one

> > the son of Bill Gates, the other the daughter of a beggar. Astrology

> > aside, using your logic, how can their two fates be the same? If the

> > influence of other charts, the time and place are not taken into

> > consideration, how can detailed and precise predictions be made? -

> > Their fates are different from the start.

> >

> > >In my opinion, sorry - analyzing the parents' or siblings' charts

> > >is not an option, it would complicate the picture further. Other

> > >list members may or may not agree with you on this...

> >

> > Do you think jyotish is not complicated? Should it be a simple

> > mathematical formula? How can this then be an accurate representation

> > of the complexity and variability of life?

> >

> > BPHS 66 11 "The main purposes of this Jyotish Shastra are to

> > determine the longevity and joys and sorrows of the people, but

> > because the movements of the planets are so subtle, even sages like

> > Vashista and Brihaspati have not been able to be quite definite in

> > this respect. Then, how can a common man, particularly in Kaliyuga do

> > so."

> >

> > As to why the charts of other people affect yours Parasar does not go

> > into this in BPHS. However Parasar's son Veda Vyasa compiled the

> > Vedas and the Gita. These can be read for an explanation of these

> > principles. These works explain many of the concepts found in

> > Parasar's jyotish classic. A good starting point is the Bhagavad

> > Gita, as this is very brief, but discusses several important

> > principles of jyotish.

> >

> > All the best,

> >

> > Alex J

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

> >

> >

> >

> > Your use of is subject to

 

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

>

>

>

> Your use of is subject to

>

>

[Guest guest]

Namaste Anantarupa,

 

What was meant by these sentences of mine, was not that the fate of

one individual overpowers another, but that the indications in one

chart may be overridden by the fate of the parents. My question was

whether a chart will always completely reflect the reality, if the

exterior factors are not included in the analysis.

 

I am a fatalist and believe that if it is the fate of someone to die

or not they will, and everything in nature has a symbiotic

relationship in regards to the meanderings of individual and group

fates.

 

I am not convinced that the chart alone can give all details without

considering the external influences. And there are a few statements

in Parasar which seem to indicate otherwise. So in your proposed

case, it is possible that the majority of the people flying would

have combinations for aerial death, but that a few may not in there

charts. Since Parasara says to consider the associations as well as

the natal chart, this situation may be more than just hypothetical.

 

regards,

 

Alex J

 

 

 

 

vedic astrology, Arno Holzmann <arno.holzmann@u...> wrote:

> Namaste Alex,

>

> > This passage shows that the fate of others can in situations

override

> > the destiny indicated by their own natal charts. This is despite

the

> > *indications* in the chart of the child, that may be for superb

> > longevity. At youth the prime association of the child is with the

> > parents, hence their ability to adversely affect the child's

destiny.

>

> Well argued! I like your analysis. Some time ago someone wanted to

know

> whether or not all people who died in a plane crash would have been

running

> maraka periods. Could it be possible that the pilot´s ill fate or

action was

> overriding that of the ( or at least some) passengers? I am asking

because,

> as is evident from your post, there is such a thing as akala mrityu

or

> untimely death (I know that there is a Puranic shloka which uses

this term.

> It says there that akala mrityu is prevented if one drinks the

water which

> has been offered to Vishnu). A childs destined longevity can be

curtailed due

> to the fault or negligence of the parent (e.g. fathers gets drunk

and crashes

> the car). Can a pilots fate override the fate of the passengers?

What do you

> think?

>

>

> regards,

>

> Anantarupa

>

>

>

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

> > >>Likewise the charts of all family members, wife, friends, etc

will

> > >>affect the destiny of the person. Similarly the past

generations of

> > >>family, local townsmen, and so on. Even the fate of the country

in

> > >>such cases.There are millions of factors externally influencing

the

> > >>chart of the owners through their own karmas.

> >

> > >Sure. But are you suggesting I take a quick look at a random

sample

> > >of local townsmen's charts?

> >

> > of course, what are you, lazy?? ;-) What I am saying is that these

> > will all have a subtle influence on the chart of the person. That

is

> > why there will always be differences between charts, even when

> > identical. And it does render many particulars impossible, leaving

> > astrology probabilistic.

> >

> > Whereas it is not possible to look at the charts of every

> > townsperson, you can understand the character and philosophies of

the

> > people, as well as the level of social/technological development,

and

> > these will form the basis from which you can interpret the chart.

The

> > identical chart 10 000 years ago will not indicate study of

computer

> > science, but would indicate study of a science prevalent at that

> > time, such as construction of yantras, which requires mathematical

> > precision. People born in the Satya yuga with the same planetary

> > combinations will be far more Sattvic in nature than those born in

> > the degraded Kali yuga, because the overall vibrations of the

entire

> > planet are more Tamasic in the Kali yuga.

> >

> > >Look, I am not saying nothing other than the chart will influence

> > >the destiny of the person. My question has to do with how we are

> > >going to analyze a chart to see those influences.

> >

> > The level of accuracy you desire is not possible. Keeping

Parasar's

> > dictum in mind, it is not possible to judge from the birth chart

> > alone, and at least all other important people in the person's

life

> > must also be analyzed to get the most accurate picture. This can

be

> > done approximately by getting life information verbally from the

> > native to understand their background and associations.

> >

> > Take an example of two people born with the exact same charts, one

> > the son of Bill Gates, the other the daughter of a beggar.

Astrology

> > aside, using your logic, how can their two fates be the same? If

the

> > influence of other charts, the time and place are not taken into

> > consideration, how can detailed and precise predictions be made? -

> > Their fates are different from the start.

> >

> > >In my opinion, sorry - analyzing the parents' or siblings' charts

> > >is not an option, it would complicate the picture further. Other

> > >list members may or may not agree with you on this...

> >

> > Do you think jyotish is not complicated? Should it be a simple

> > mathematical formula? How can this then be an accurate

representation

> > of the complexity and variability of life?

> >

> > BPHS 66 11 "The main purposes of this Jyotish Shastra are to

> > determine the longevity and joys and sorrows of the people, but

> > because the movements of the planets are so subtle, even sages

like

> > Vashista and Brihaspati have not been able to be quite definite

in

> > this respect. Then, how can a common man, particularly in

Kaliyuga do

> > so."

> >

> > As to why the charts of other people affect yours Parasar does

not go

> > into this in BPHS. However Parasar's son Veda Vyasa compiled the

> > Vedas and the Gita. These can be read for an explanation of these

> > principles. These works explain many of the concepts found in

> > Parasar's jyotish classic. A good starting point is the Bhagavad

> > Gita, as this is very brief, but discusses several important

> > principles of jyotish.

> >

> > All the best,

> >

> > Alex J

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

Namaste Visti,

 

Yes, I agree with you completely... the wording I choose was one that

was unintentionally misleading.

 

The question that I was proposing was whether the chart is the

complete reflection of the karma of the individual allotted to this

life, or whether external factors must be looked at in order to

understand the karma fully.

 

I have no argument against the fact that the karma of the individual

is his own and simulataneously shared with others. This is one of the

first rules of Vedic study. What I meant was that the parent

influences the child, despite the chart indications of the child.

 

regards,

 

Alex J

 

vedic astrology, "Visti Larsen" <vlarsen@h...> wrote:

> Namaste Alex & Arno.

>

> I must disagree that there is an "Overriding" effect of Fate of the

parents

> towards the child. Instead its a mutual fate. Parasara gave the

chapter;

> Evils at birth, for us to look for the Aristha combinations that

prevail

> until the 24th year of birth. Alex is otherwise completely right.

>

> But there is no such thing as overriding fate! The child is

destined to die

> at the desired age, whether it be attributed to the parents or

others, its

> still part of its karma.

>

> Hence a Pilot cannot override the fate of his passengers, because

they also

> earned these karmic indicators, as does the captain and his

passengers.

>

> They all chose their fate according to the karmas they must fulfill.

>

> Best wishes, Viti.

> -

> Arno Holzmann

> vedic astrology

> Monday, June 25, 2001 11:33 AM

> [vedic astrology] parents fate overriding destiny of

children

>

>

> Namaste Alex,

>

> > This passage shows that the fate of others can in situations

override

> > the destiny indicated by their own natal charts. This is

despite the

> > *indications* in the chart of the child, that may be for superb

> > longevity. At youth the prime association of the child is with

the

> > parents, hence their ability to adversely affect the child's

destiny.

>

> Well argued! I like your analysis. Some time ago someone wanted

to know

> whether or not all people who died in a plane crash would have

been

> running

> maraka periods. Could it be possible that the pilot´s ill fate or

action

> was

> overriding that of the ( or at least some) passengers? I am asking

> because,

> as is evident from your post, there is such a thing as akala

mrityu or

> untimely death (I know that there is a Puranic shloka which uses

this

> term.

> It says there that akala mrityu is prevented if one drinks the

water

> which

> has been offered to Vishnu). A childs destined longevity can be

curtailed

> due

> to the fault or negligence of the parent (e.g. fathers gets drunk

and

> crashes

> the car). Can a pilots fate override the fate of the passengers?

What do

> you

> think?

>

>

> regards,

>

> Anantarupa

>

>

>

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

> > >>Likewise the charts of all family members, wife, friends, etc

will

> > >>affect the destiny of the person. Similarly the past

generations of

> > >>family, local townsmen, and so on. Even the fate of the

country in

> > >>such cases.There are millions of factors externally

influencing the

> > >>chart of the owners through their own karmas.

> >

> > >Sure. But are you suggesting I take a quick look at a random

sample

> > >of local townsmen's charts?

> >

> > of course, what are you, lazy?? ;-) What I am saying is that

these

> > will all have a subtle influence on the chart of the person.

That is

> > why there will always be differences between charts, even when

> > identical. And it does render many particulars impossible,

leaving

> > astrology probabilistic.

> >

> > Whereas it is not possible to look at the charts of every

> > townsperson, you can understand the character and philosophies

of the

> > people, as well as the level of social/technological

development, and

> > these will form the basis from which you can interpret the

chart. The

> > identical chart 10 000 years ago will not indicate study of

computer

> > science, but would indicate study of a science prevalent at that

> > time, such as construction of yantras, which requires

mathematical

> > precision. People born in the Satya yuga with the same planetary

> > combinations will be far more Sattvic in nature than those born

in

> > the degraded Kali yuga, because the overall vibrations of the

entire

> > planet are more Tamasic in the Kali yuga.

> >

> > >Look, I am not saying nothing other than the chart will

influence

> > >the destiny of the person. My question has to do with how we

are

> > >going to analyze a chart to see those influences.

> >

> > The level of accuracy you desire is not possible. Keeping

Parasar's

> > dictum in mind, it is not possible to judge from the birth chart

> > alone, and at least all other important people in the person's

life

> > must also be analyzed to get the most accurate picture. This

can be

> > done approximately by getting life information verbally from the

> > native to understand their background and associations.

> >

> > Take an example of two people born with the exact same charts,

one

> > the son of Bill Gates, the other the daughter of a beggar.

Astrology

> > aside, using your logic, how can their two fates be the same?

If the

> > influence of other charts, the time and place are not taken into

> > consideration, how can detailed and precise predictions be

made? -

> > Their fates are different from the start.

> >

> > >In my opinion, sorry - analyzing the parents' or siblings'

charts

> > >is not an option, it would complicate the picture further.

Other

> > >list members may or may not agree with you on this...

> >

> > Do you think jyotish is not complicated? Should it be a simple

> > mathematical formula? How can this then be an accurate

representation

> > of the complexity and variability of life?

> >

> > BPHS 66 11 "The main purposes of this Jyotish Shastra are to

> > determine the longevity and joys and sorrows of the people, but

> > because the movements of the planets are so subtle, even sages

like

> > Vashista and Brihaspati have not been able to be quite

definite in

> > this respect. Then, how can a common man, particularly in

Kaliyuga do

> > so."

> >

> > As to why the charts of other people affect yours Parasar does

not go

> > into this in BPHS. However Parasar's son Veda Vyasa compiled the

> > Vedas and the Gita. These can be read for an explanation of

these

> > principles. These works explain many of the concepts found in

> > Parasar's jyotish classic. A good starting point is the Bhagavad

> > Gita, as this is very brief, but discusses several important

> > principles of jyotish.

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Namaste.

We have enough indicators in the chart to give us a very strong picture of the persons life.

I indeed believe that we can predict practically everything from the chart, all

it takes is the devotion to keep on participating in the search for this

perfect knowledge.

 

So remove all your doubts, and have complete faith in God and Guru, and one day

you yourself will be playing with the D-300.

 

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Monday, June 25, 2001 7:37 PM

[vedic astrology] Re: parents fate overriding destiny of children

Namaste Visti,Yes, I agree with you completely... the wording I choose was one

that was unintentionally misleading.The question that I was proposing was

whether the chart is the complete reflection of the karma of the individual

allotted to this life, or whether external factors must be looked at in order

to understand the karma fully. I have no argument against the fact that the

karma of the individual is his own and simulataneously shared with others. This

is one of the first rules of Vedic study. What I meant was that the parent

influences the child, despite the chart indications of the child. regards,Alex

Jvedic astrology, "Visti Larsen" <vlarsen@h...> wrote:> Namaste

Alex & Arno.> > I must disagree that there is an "Overriding" effect of Fate of

the parents> towards the child. Instead its a mutual fate. Parasara gave the

chapter;> Evils at birth, for us to look for the Aristha combinations that

prevail> until the 24th year of birth. Alex is otherwise completely right.> >

But there is no such thing as overriding fate! The child is destined to die> at

the desired age, whether it be attributed to the parents or others, its> still

part of its karma.> > Hence a Pilot cannot override the fate of his passengers,

because they also> earned these karmic indicators, as does the captain and his

passengers.> > They all chose their fate according to the karmas they must

fulfill.> > Best wishes, Viti.> -> Arno

Holzmann> vedic astrology> Monday, June 25, 2001 11:33 AM>

[vedic astrology] parents fate overriding destiny of children> > >

Namaste Alex,> > > This passage shows that the fate of others can in

situations override> > the destiny indicated by their own natal charts. This

is despite the> > *indications* in the chart of the child, that may be for

superb> > longevity. At youth the prime association of the child is with the>

> parents, hence their ability to adversely affect the child's destiny.> >

Well argued! I like your analysis. Some time ago someone wanted to know>

whether or not all people who died in a plane crash would have been> running>

maraka periods. Could it be possible that the pilot´s ill fate or action> was>

overriding that of the ( or at least some) passengers? I am asking> because,>

as is evident from your post, there is such a thing as akala mrityu or>

untimely death (I know that there is a Puranic shloka which uses this> term.>

It says there that akala mrityu is prevented if one drinks the water> which>

has been offered to Vishnu). A childs destined longevity can be curtailed> due>

to the fault or negligence of the parent (e.g. fathers gets drunk and>

crashes> the car). Can a pilots fate override the fate of the passengers?

What do> you> think?> > > regards,> > Anantarupa> > > > >> >> > > > >

> > >>Likewise the charts of all family members, wife, friends, etc will> >

>>affect the destiny of the person. Similarly the past generations of> >

>>family, local townsmen, and so on. Even the fate of the country in> >

>>such cases.There are millions of factors externally influencing the> >

>>chart of the owners through their own karmas.> >> > >Sure. But are you

suggesting I take a quick look at a random sample> > >of local townsmen's

charts? > >> > of course, what are you, lazy?? ;-) What I am saying is

that these> > will all have a subtle influence on the chart of the person.

That is> > why there will always be differences between charts, even when>

> identical. And it does render many particulars impossible, leaving> >

astrology probabilistic.> >> > Whereas it is not possible to look at the

charts of every> > townsperson, you can understand the character and

philosophies of the> > people, as well as the level of social/technological

development, and> > these will form the basis from which you can interpret

the chart. The> > identical chart 10 000 years ago will not indicate study of

computer> > science, but would indicate study of a science prevalent at that>

> time, such as construction of yantras, which requires mathematical> >

precision. People born in the Satya yuga with the same planetary> >

combinations will be far more Sattvic in nature than those born in> > the

degraded Kali yuga, because the overall vibrations of the entire> > planet

are more Tamasic in the Kali yuga.> >> > >Look, I am not saying nothing

other than the chart will influence> > >the destiny of the person. My

question has to do with how we are> > >going to analyze a chart to see those

influences.> >> > The level of accuracy you desire is not possible. Keeping

Parasar's> > dictum in mind, it is not possible to judge from the birth chart>

> alone, and at least all other important people in the person's life> >

must also be analyzed to get the most accurate picture. This can be> > done

approximately by getting life information verbally from the> > native to

understand their background and associations.> >> > Take an example of two

people born with the exact same charts, one> > the son of Bill Gates, the

other the daughter of a beggar. Astrology> > aside, using your logic, how can

their two fates be the same? If the> > influence of other charts, the time and

place are not taken into> > consideration, how can detailed and precise

predictions be made? -> > Their fates are different from the start.> >> >

>In my opinion, sorry - analyzing the parents' or siblings' charts> > >is not

an option, it would complicate the picture further. Other> > >list members

may or may not agree with you on this...> >> > Do you think jyotish is not

complicated? Should it be a simple> > mathematical formula? How can this then

be an accurate representation> > of the complexity and variability of life?>

>> > BPHS 66 11 "The main purposes of this Jyotish Shastra are to> >

determine the longevity and joys and sorrows of the people, but> > because

the movements of the planets are so subtle, even sages like> > Vashista and

Brihaspati have not been able to be quite definite in> > this respect. Then,

how can a common man, particularly in Kaliyuga do> > so."> >> > As to why

the charts of other people affect yours Parasar does not go> > into this in

BPHS. However Parasar's son Veda Vyasa compiled the> > Vedas and the Gita.

These can be read for an explanation of these> > principles. These works

explain many of the concepts found in> > Parasar's jyotish classic. A good

starting point is the Bhagavad> > Gita, as this is very brief, but discusses

several important> > principles of jyotish.> >> > All the best,> >> >

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