exterior influences on chart - Sarajit

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Dear Alex!

 

Thanks for clear elucidation of your thoughts. Mine is none different. I

also believe that an individual who has taken birth in a particular

situation has been influenced by the same throughout his life time. From his

childhood he is not only influenced by the parents but also from the school

he is studying, the teachers he has, the friends he plays with and even the

events that happen in his life. The native's behabiours and bearings are a

sum total of the internal tendencies and external influences.

 

There is no denying this fact. But the matter here is whether as this

influences can be dicernable from the native's horoscope (including the

D-charts) or not. What I say is yes and what you seem to say is also "Yes".

However, is it possible to judge all those influences with the present

knowhow in Jyotish is another matter. Another thing is whether it is worth

judging all the influences after elaborate calculations and effort, when all

those things can be known by verbal communication with the native.

 

For these matter it might be advisable to know the D-K-P factors from the

native himself and based on that give the judgement. But more and more we

get into this discipline and more and more knowledge we gather (hope to

discover the hidden principles of Jyotish sometime or other) towards

precision and more deterministic prediction can we give. However, we must

remember that unlike other disciplines, this is a divine discipline which

unfolds before us the cosmic drama of life, death and human destinies. Hence

the principles can't be clear to us (at least I talk of myself), the normal

mortals unless we are spiritual too- this is similar to the fact that

quantum physics can't be understood by a school going child....

 

Warm Regards

Sarajit

 

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Alex J <lostinmotion

<vedic astrology>

Tuesday, June 26, 2001 6:38 AM

[vedic astrology] exterior influences on chart - Sarajit

 

 

> Namaste Sarajit,

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> You make excellent points.

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> >>BPHS 77 14. "The attributes of the native are dependent on his

> >>father and mother, his time of birth, and the persons he gets

> >>associated with. These are the root causes of Uttama, etc.,

> >>qualities possessed by him. The attributes endowed by the time of

> >>the birth and associations are stronger than those received from

> >>the parents."

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> >Eventhough this is true, however, it is nowhere mentioned that you

> >cannot see those indications of influence of parents over the native

> >from the native's horoscope.

>

> Why would Parasar write this if the chart was enough? He seems to

> leave out frivolous points. But you are correct, there is no denial

> elsewhere in BPHS.

>

> >>BPHS 9 2. "Evils causing premature end exist up to the 24th year of

> >>one's age, As such, no definite calculation of life span should be

> >>made till such year of age."

>

> >This can be also interpreted as, by applying the standard principles

> >of longivity, the longevity of a individual (upto 12yrs of age)

> >can't be computed. If computation of the age of a child has been

> >immpossible, then what is the significance of yogas for balarishta

> >or premature death (matrushrap, pitrushrap etc.).

>

> I admit that this is vague in interpretation, so I have collected a

> few other relevant slokas. They make the distinction between the

> effects of the balarishta planets, and the parents in more detail.

>

> HORA SARA 5 21 "There are three kinds of infant deaths. Firstly the

> afflictions due to the parents, secondly due to Bal planets, and

> thirdly due to evil combinations of planets"

>

> Phala Deepika 13 3. "So far as the viperous creatures are concerned,

> it is difficult to determine the period of life within the first

> twelve years. As a result of the sinful acts of the mother, father

> and his own Balaplanets the native meets with destruction. When the

> child dies in the first four years, it is due to the sins of his

> mother. If he dies in the middle four years, it is because of the

> accumulated sins of the father. If he meets his death in the last

> four years, it must be in consequence of his own sins in a previous

> birth."

>

> >Nobody affects none. In the realm of maya, we see the causality.

> >There is only closely knit interrelations among all the body of the

> >universe. If someone seems to be influencing somebody happens only

> >because the latter is supposed to be influenced(by someone) and both

> >the indications can be deciphered from the horoscope.

>

> Here hinges the main issue. In the world of Maya there is no doubt

> that external influences have an affect on the native. The time

> period lived in, the friends, and family all affect him. The question

> is whether these effects are all discernible in the chart of the

> native or whether we have to also take into consideration exterior

> factors.

>

> Several thousand years ago, there was a day that produced the exact

> same chart positions as this very day June 25, 2001. The ascendant

> degree, and planetary positions were exactly the same. If I was to

> give an astrologer the identical degrees of these two charts, without

> a description of the era of birth, then the astrologer would

> hypothetically make identical predictions. However this is not the

> case in the lives of the people. They would live very different lives

> as a result of the different conditions of life at that time.

>

> Likewise, if I was to present the charts of two people born, one in

> Africa, and one in the North pole at the same time, there would be

> differences due to the geographical location, and customs of the

> people. This would also have a bearing. These are all external

> influences that must be factored into the person's chart.

>

> There are about 160 births per minute, giving a large number of

> people born with the same charts, even to the D-150. While an

> accurate judgement can be made in regards to many events in life, as

> well as the lives of family members, and the type of family born

> into, there will still be subtle differences, as a result of

> different race, country, etc. This is why these things must also be

> considered.

>

> Parasara says BPHS 27 39-40. Eligibility of Issue Fruitful

> Predictions: "O Maitreya, the words of one who has achieved skill in

> mathematics, one who has put in industrious efforts in the branch of

> grammar, one who has knowledge of justice, one who is intelligent,

> one who has knowledge of geography, space and time, one who has

> conquered his senses, one who is skillfully logical, and one who is

> favorable to Jyotish, will doubtless be truthful."

>

> In this sloka he gives as a prerequisite to predicting accurately a

> knowledge of geography, time and space. Without taking into account

> these factors, how would it be possible to discern between the

> planetary positions in one chart and another with exact same degrees,

> yet different millenia? This goes beyond the techniques currently

> known, and would (I can only guess) take into consideration the

> movements of the planets in relation to the precession of the

> equinoxes/movement of ayanamsa.

>

> I understand that there is order to the universe, and therefore a

> jyotish system for determining all particulars, but this goes far far

> beyond the normal birth chart analytical tools. I believe as you do

> that failings in prediction are due to human limitations, and not

> jyotish. I can agree that jyotish is infallible, but do we have all

> the techniques necessary to judge exterior influences, such as time,

> place and status of birth from the chart? I am sure that there is a

> science for determining the effects of the various yugas, but that

> this knowledge is hidden or unrevealed. It doesn't seem to be in

> BPHS. As such, BPHS has limitations, and that is most likely why

> Parasar states that to issue fruitful predictions, a knowledge of

> time, geography must be known, as well as saying to understand the

> native, the chart as well as the influences and parents of the

> individual must be taken into consideration. (BPHS 77 14"The

> attributes of the native are dependent on his father and mother, his

> time of birth, and the persons he gets associated with.")

>

> There are other things that cannot be read in some charts, like the

> lifespan of Saints and Avatars.

>

> Some things are simply beyond the ability of any jyotish, such as

> predicting the global trends thousands of years in the future. It is

> possible that Brahma revealed this to Narada, but this type of

> astrology is not among the rules revealed in BPHS or Jaimini. And

> therefore since there are limitations that have to be accounted for

> in analyzing a chart due to the incomplete knowledge and limitations

> of the human mind, it is necessary to take into consideration the

> effects of time, geography and associations. All jyotishis do this to

> an extent.

>

> regards,

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> Alex J

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