Mahalingam-Career success (Tendulkar's chart as example)

[Guest guest]

OHM SHRI RAGAVENDRAYA NAMAH

JAYA JAGANNATHA

 

Namaste friends and to all who have answered for Mr.Mahalingam,

 

Let me put Mr.Mahalingam's question in different manner.

 

Mr.Mahalingam is asking 2 simple questions.

 

Question 1.Which one of the following is true?

 

a.Astrology is a pure science - can be seen with the help of many tools including divisional charts.

 

b.Astrology needs some knowledge about the chart, planets, divisional charts,

ashtakavarga etc., AND a DIVINE hand to predict. So, that even when many people

share the many divisional charts, an astrologer will predict correctly for

different persons.

 

c.Astrology is purely a DIVINE nature.

 

Question 2. If the answer to question 1 is "b" or "c", it is fine, if it is "a",

how do we explain to the question of Mr.Mahalingam on Tendulkar and his so

called 'co-borns'?

 

For this there will not be a clear answer. We can say that as the 'kala'

explained by the sages is more minute than a second, we have to prepare more

and more minute charts like D-150, or D-300 or D-600!! to have different charts

for different persons born with very little time difference. Then, the question

of "How can we predict with the help of divisional charts for two different

persons who are sharing same divisions upto D-24 or more?" will arise. Because,

we are taught clearly upto this level only. Interpretation of other charts of

D-30 upto D-60 is more advanced and only a very few good astrologers know.

Moreover, the common questions putforth before an astrologer are covered in the

charts upto D-24.

 

So, Mr.Mahalingam wants us to conclude that either we need divine hand apart

from the knowledge of Astrology or we need some sage like Parashara to comedown

and explain the use of higher divisional charts, which are needed for the

"Kaliyuga".

 

With this I hope we can close this thought provoking topic and think on this

line and come back later. Even, if we need the divine hand, we need to learn

Astrology at least to the level of Pt.Sanjay Rath or Dr.B.V.Raman. So, until

then let us concentrate to learn more and more techniques through puzzle. It is

long back that we had a puzzle.

 

Thanks

Solai Kannan

[Guest guest]

Dear Solai!

I also think we shall close the topic for the time being and come up with it

again if we come across something substantially different than what we shared.

I think the difference of opinions is likely to exist as with any discipline;

moreover this discipline is more complex than others.

 

You suggested to take up a puzzle. Lets take up this puzzle. I few days back I

got a dream and after I woke up I remembered it vividly and immediately note

down the time. I am giving the time. Lets see where the analysis goes. I will

be particularly benifitted as I didn't solve any dream case myself.

 

The details are as follows (When I note down the time)

03 June 2001 (the dream was at 2nd night after sleep)

Time: 5:05 AM IST(I woke up and noted the time) (5:30E)

Place: Noida (The longitude is not known, I am giving N.Delhi's, a city nearby).....28N36; 77E12

 

Regards

Sarajit

-

Solai Kannan

vedic astrology

Tuesday, June 26, 2001 12:15 PM

[vedic astrology] Mahalingam-Career success (Tendulkar's chart as example)

OHM SHRI RAGAVENDRAYA NAMAH

JAYA JAGANNATHA

 

Namaste friends and to all who have answered for Mr.Mahalingam,

 

Let me put Mr.Mahalingam's question in different manner.

 

Mr.Mahalingam is asking 2 simple questions.

 

Question 1.Which one of the following is true?

 

a.Astrology is a pure science - can be seen with the help of many tools including divisional charts.

 

b.Astrology needs some knowledge about the chart, planets, divisional charts,

ashtakavarga etc., AND a DIVINE hand to predict. So, that even when many people

share the many divisional charts, an astrologer will predict correctly for

different persons.

 

c.Astrology is purely a DIVINE nature.

 

Question 2. If the answer to question 1 is "b" or "c", it is fine, if it is "a",

how do we explain to the question of Mr.Mahalingam on Tendulkar and his so

called 'co-borns'?

 

For this there will not be a clear answer. We can say that as the 'kala'

explained by the sages is more minute than a second, we have to prepare more

and more minute charts like D-150, or D-300 or D-600!! to have different charts

for different persons born with very little time difference. Then, the question

of "How can we predict with the help of divisional charts for two different

persons who are sharing same divisions upto D-24 or more?" will arise. Because,

we are taught clearly upto this level only. Interpretation of other charts of

D-30 upto D-60 is more advanced and only a very few good astrologers know.

Moreover, the common questions putforth before an astrologer are covered in the

charts upto D-24.

 

So, Mr.Mahalingam wants us to conclude that either we need divine hand apart

from the knowledge of Astrology or we need some sage like Parashara to comedown

and explain the use of higher divisional charts, which are needed for the

"Kaliyuga".

 

With this I hope we can close this thought provoking topic and think on this

line and come back later. Even, if we need the divine hand, we need to learn

Astrology at least to the level of Pt.Sanjay Rath or Dr.B.V.Raman. So, until

then let us concentrate to learn more and more techniques through puzzle. It is

long back that we had a puzzle.

 

Thanks

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Namaste Solai Kannan,

 

Thank you for the post.

 

Your response is very intriguing. I don't remember you attempting

to answer my questions, yet you try to summarise my thoughts!

And you want to "close the topic" as well! As you know, several

other people have replied, perhaps both in the interest of something

interesting that might come out of the discussion, and as a courtesy

to them, the topic should be left open?

 

A lot of people get uncomfortable when some things that they base

their beliefs on, are questioned. If you are one of these people, I

should apologise to you, and ask that you perhaps not follow this

discussion. Nevertheless, what I am asking is a very basic question

that has to do with astrology itself. The issue sounds complicated

because of the detail in my example. Frankly, it is very easy to say

"we can think about this later", ie sweep the topic under the carpet.

 

This is the easiest way out here.

 

It is your choice if you want to take it, but what disheartens me

is the fact that you are trying to "close the topic" so that nobody

else discusses the subject either! Maybe nobody will come up

with any answers at this stage, but SURELY the topic merits

discussion?

 

Think about it, as astrologers, we try to explain the success or

failure of some person based on his/her chart. Pick any book on

astrology, be it by either BV Raman or Sanjay Rath or KN Rao, and

you have extensive analysis of famous' people's charts based on

D-1 and D-9, and occasionally using D-7, D-10 etc (even a mention

of even D-60 is very very rare).

 

Now, if someone were to say here are five people with charts

identical to John F Kennedy (for example) and two of them are

bus drivers, one is a school teacher and the other two are

unemployed vagrants. One would HOPE any astrologer, or student

of astrology, would at least THINK of analysing the topic a little

more deeply!

 

As I mentioned to you, compared to the distance between the

earth and the planets, the distance between London and Mumbai

or Calcutta and Los Angeles is trivial. Practically the SAME

chart can be obtained in different places in the world just by

changing the birth time. Yet, we have had totally unique people

in the world - Beethoven, Einstein, JFK, Gandhi, Pele, Tendulkar,

Thyagaraja, Ramanujam and so on. Either we have to assume

that nobody in the world was born at those other times with

the same charts, or this is a HUGE astrological paradox!

 

My question to you is - you know I am a believer in astrology,

but what would you do if a "rationalist" were to use the above

argument to say that Vedic astrology does not work, that it is

no better than Tarot card reading? Would you tell him that

you are concentrating on "new techniques", so you have not

thought about major questions?! Such an answer would

serve to make a laughing-stock of Vedic astrologers!

 

The Maharishis have given us several immortal classics on

Vedic astrology, but don't they also stress that one should

use one's intelligence and reasoning? My many grateful

thanks to Satyaketu, Sanjiv Agarwal and others who used

their reasoning and intelligence to address the question.

I wish Narasimha, who is a research minded scholar, will

also share his thoughts with us; surely his response will

not be "we will think about this later" ?

 

I remain,

 

Mahalinga Iyer

 

 

 

> Let me put Mr.Mahalingam's question in different manner.

>

> Mr.Mahalingam is asking 2 simple questions.

>

> Question 1.Which one of the following is true?

>

> a.Astrology is a pure science - can be seen with the

help

of many

> tools including divisional charts.

>

> b.Astrology needs some knowledge about the chart,

planets,

> divisional charts, ashtakavarga etc., AND a DIVINE hand

to predict.

> So, that even when many people share the many divisional

charts, an

> astrologer will predict correctly for different persons.

>

> c.Astrology is purely a DIVINE nature.

>

> Question 2. If the answer to question 1 is "b" or "c",

it

is fine,

> if it is "a", how do we explain to the question of

Mr.Mahalingam on

> Tendulkar and his so called 'co-borns'?

>

> For this there will not be a clear answer. We can say

that as the

> 'kala' explained by the sages is more minute than a

second, we have

> to prepare more and more minute charts like D-150, or

D-300 or

> D-600!! to have different charts for different persons

born with

> very little time difference. Then, the question of "How

can we

> predict with the help of divisional charts for two

different persons

> who are sharing same divisions upto D-24 or more?" will

arise.

> Because, we are taught clearly upto this level only.

Interpretation

> of other charts of D-30 upto D-60 is more advanced and

only a very

> few good astrologers know. Moreover, the common

questions

putforth

> before an astrologer are covered in the charts upto D-24.

>

> So, Mr.Mahalingam wants us to conclude that either we

need divine

> hand apart from the knowledge of Astrology or we need

some sage like

> Parashara to comedown and explain the use of higher

divisional

> charts, which are needed for the "Kaliyuga".

>

> With this I hope we can close this thought provoking

topic and think

> on this line and come back later. Even, if we need the

divine hand,

> we need to learn Astrology at least to the level of

Pt.Sanjay Rath

> or Dr.B.V.Raman. So, until then let us concentrate to

learn more and

> more techniques through puzzle. It is long back that we

had a puzzle.