same chart like Sachin Tendulkar

[Guest guest]

mahalinga_iyer schrieb:

If you take a different birth place in India, with

a slightly

different time, you get the exact same ascendant, D-10 and

even D-60 (I have done this in my other post).

There are numerous people born in India each minute in each of

the large cities. Chances are, there is more than one person

with the same D-1, D-3 .... all the way upto D-10 (easily),

and possibly with the same Divisional charts upto D-60.

My question is, if the horoscope is going to show fame, success,

wealth, ability and so on, why did these other people not

become like Tendulkar?

Namaste Mahalinga, sorry for butting in.

I think there are many ways how your question can be answered, and there

is probably no one who can answer it definitively. Your query would become

really interesting if you actually knew of a person who had exactly the

same chart like Sachin Tendulkar, down to D-60. Because we dont know any

such person the question remains hypothetical and, perhaps, looses some

of its urgency.

But let us assume that there is such a person. According to the rules

of astrology, he would then either be an identical twin of Sachin Tendulkar

(which he is not) or someone born to different parents but with very similar

fate. He would have the same dhana and raja yogas and he would probably

be wealthy and somewhat famous but according to his desha and patra.

He would probably be a skillful sportsman, too, with good determination,

concentration and fighting spirit but would he be a professional cricket

player and would he become a national celebrity? I dont know. Not necessarily.

He might also become a good tennis player, if he is born in Calcutta and

his father lives close to the Calcutta grass courts, is well to do and

wants him to learn tennis. Or he might become a good soccer player, if

he is born in a part of India where they are really into soccer such as

Cochin.

As Alex said, parental conditioning, social background and the influence

of friends have to be taken into consideration. Maybe Sachin Tendulkars

father was very supportive of him becoming a great cricket player and that

might have been a very decisive factor in his career (I dont know his biography).

but I doubt that you will be able to see that in his chart. You may be

able to see fathers support but not the cricket.

Jennifer Capriati won two Grand Slam tennis tournaments this year. She

was the youngest Wimbledon quarter finalist ever (at 14). At the age of

3 (!!!) her father began to force her into daily tennis practice. Same

with the german five time Wimbledon winner Steffi Graf: Her father wanted

her to become a famous tennis player from the age of 5 and it worked in

her case, too.

So perhaps your hypothetical Sachin Tendulkar clone was born in a village

to a father who simply wasnt able to support his sporting talent and so

he ended up playing cricket with his village friends and was very good

at it and famous in the village but never made it to the national limelight.

I think ultimately your question boils down to the good old issue of

"will we ever be able to predict every single little detail about the destiny

of a person". I think the answer is negative for various reasons. At least

in Kali yuga. Too many controversies and open questions (different ayanamshas,

360 or 365 years for vimshottari dasa, true or mean Rahu, vague birth times,

interpolations in traditional texts, whole chapters of Jaimini sutra and

Parashara Hora shastra lost, sanskrit shlokas which can be interpreted

in two different ways and no one there to clarify etc.). Of course,

that does not mean that a good astrologer cannot give wise guidance from

your chart. He can but I doubt that he will be able to see whether or not

you become a national cricket icon.

One final point: if the astrologer is a very virtuous and sattvic person

and he has performed some spiritual tapasya whatever he predicts will come

true due to the power of his purity and penance. He can bless or he can

also curse. Maybe Sachin Tendulkar was lucky to get the blessings of persons

who are in a position to bless. If I am not mistaken, he is Indias darling

and if several hundred million people want you to succeed, that will certainly

give you a boost. In other words, there is a thing called kripa (mercy

or blessing), as Mr. Satya, pointed out in his elaborate and eloquent article

on karma and I believe that this factor may or may not be indicated in

a chart.

A saint is able to bestow mercy without karmic cause and that

is why it is repeatedly stated throughout the vedas and puranas that a

saint has the power to bring about what is not destined and to mar what

is destined.

Destiny is a powerful force which cannot be simply ignored and is not

easily erased, but it can be changed through free will or higher

intervention and thats why it is not possible to read a chart perfectly

unless you are a highly elevated saint. Then your words will shape the

destiny of the person you are giving predictions to and the person might

become a national cricket hero just because you say so.

regards, Arno

[Guest guest]

Namaste Arno,

 

Thank you for the well-written post. You made several valid points;

true, things like a saint's blessing can change the course of one's

life, and this may or may not reflect in the chart. Atleast, an

"ordinary" astrologer (ie one who is not a saint himself) may not

be able to decipher this in a chart.

 

I am glad you took my example in the right spirit. No, I do not

have a chart of anybody like a Tendulkar 'twin', but it would be

very hard to say what I meant without an example, and so I picked

Tendulkar.

 

I remain,

 

Mahalinga Iyer

 

 

> Namaste Mahalinga, sorry for butting in.

>

> I think there are many ways how your question can be answered, and

there is

> probably no one who can answer it definitively. Your query would

become

> really interesting if you actually knew of a person who had exactly

the same

> chart like Sachin Tendulkar, down to D-60. Because we dont know any

such

> person the question remains hypothetical and, perhaps, looses some

of its

> urgency.

>

> But let us assume that there is such a person. According to the

rules of

> astrology, he would then either be an identical twin of Sachin

Tendulkar

> (which he is not) or someone born to different parents but with very

similar

> fate. He would have the same dhana and raja yogas and he would

probably be

> wealthy and somewhat famous but according to his desha and patra. He

would

> probably be a skillful sportsman, too, with good determination,

concentration

> and fighting spirit but would he be a professional cricket player

and would

> he become a national celebrity? I dont know. Not necessarily. He

might also

> become a good tennis player, if he is born in Calcutta and his

father lives

> close to the Calcutta grass courts, is well to do and wants him to

learn

> tennis. Or he might become a good soccer player, if he is born in a

part of

> India where they are really into soccer such as Cochin.

>

> As Alex said, parental conditioning, social background and the

influence of

> friends have to be taken into consideration. Maybe Sachin Tendulkars

father

> was very supportive of him becoming a great cricket player and that

might

> have been a very decisive factor in his career (I dont know his

biography).

> but I doubt that you will be able to see that in his chart. You may

be able

> to see fathers support but not the cricket.

>

> Jennifer Capriati won two Grand Slam tennis tournaments this year.

She was

> the youngest Wimbledon quarter finalist ever (at 14). At the age of

3 (!!!)

> her father began to force her into daily tennis practice. Same with

the

> german five time Wimbledon winner Steffi Graf: Her father wanted her

to

> become a famous tennis player from the age of 5 and it worked in her

case,

> too.

>

> So perhaps your hypothetical Sachin Tendulkar clone was born in a

village to

> a father who simply wasnt able to support his sporting talent and so

he ended

> up playing cricket with his village friends and was very good at it

and

> famous in the village but never made it to the national limelight.

>

> I think ultimately your question boils down to the good old issue of

"will we

> ever be able to predict every single little detail about the destiny

of a

> person". I think the answer is negative for various reasons. At

least in Kali

> yuga. Too many controversies and open questions (different

ayanamshas, 360 or

> 365 years for vimshottari dasa, true or mean Rahu, vague birth

times,

> interpolations in traditional texts, whole chapters of Jaimini sutra

and

> Parashara Hora shastra lost, sanskrit shlokas which can be

interpreted in two

> different ways and no one there to clarify etc.). Of course, that

does not

> mean that a good astrologer cannot give wise guidance from your

chart. He can

> but I doubt that he will be able to see whether or not you become a

national

> cricket icon.

>

> One final point: if the astrologer is a very virtuous and sattvic

person and

> he has performed some spiritual tapasya whatever he predicts will

come true

> due to the power of his purity and penance. He can bless or he can

also

> curse. Maybe Sachin Tendulkar was lucky to get the blessings of

persons who

> are in a position to bless. If I am not mistaken, he is Indias

darling and if

> several hundred million people want you to succeed, that will

certainly give

> you a boost. In other words, there is a thing called kripa (mercy or

> blessing), as Mr. Satya, pointed out in his elaborate and eloquent

article on

> karma and I believe that this factor may or may not be indicated in

a chart.

>

> A saint is able to bestow mercy without karmic cause and that is

why it is

> repeatedly stated throughout the vedas and puranas that a saint has

the power

> to bring about what is not destined and to mar what is destined.

>

> Destiny is a powerful force which cannot be simply ignored and is

not easily

> erased, but it can be changed through free will or higher

intervention and

> thats why it is not possible to read a chart perfectly unless you

are a

> highly elevated saint. Then your words will shape the destiny of the

person

> you are giving predictions to and the person might become a national

cricket

> hero just because you say so.

>

> regards, Arno

[Guest guest]

Dear Mahalinga!

 

I also supported Solai to close the topic for the time being, the intention was

not to stop anybody else participating, but to take a moment of and ponder over

the issue.

 

I went through the comments given by Arno! Infact he tried hard to explain what

could be the result if such thing what you say happen. But I am still pondering

whether such situation can exist. The D-60 of a person shows his past life. If

the D-60 of two persons are the same that would mean that the past lives of the

two persons would be the same. But I feel that it is not possible, though I

can't say why.........

 

Even I can't rule out that existance of two same charts upto D-60 is

theoretically impossible. It would be really interesting if any one of us in

the discussion group can find some chart which is similar to such extent. I

would love to listen the comments of Narasimha or Gurudev Pt. Sanjay Rath.

 

Can anyone from the group tell me the theoretical possibility of persons having

same D-1 to D-60. What could be the probability of existence of such

cases........

 

As per my understanding. The fastest planet in the horoscope is the Moon, which

moves through the zodiac in 29.5 days. i.e in one sign, 2.4583 days and 1

degree @ 1.967 hrs and one shatyamsa (0.5 degree) in 59 minutes. We know that

the lagna of place rise with the sun. So within the arc of Sun's movement by

59minutes, the lagna would be the same and the Moon will be in the same

shastyamsa in the 59 Minutes. For illustration, if Sun has risen in Leo 1degree

at 85E at 5:30 AM, it will rise at 5:34 at 84E in Leo 1.00277 degree. The Lagna

in the Shatyamsa will not change untill Sun rises at 77E30 degree at 5:59 in Leo

1.004972 degree. Thus when Sun moves from 85E to 77E30, the natives born during

the Sunrise will share the same Shatyamsa Lagna and the shatyamsa of Moon also

will not change as takes 59 minutes to change one sign in the shatyamsa. The

shastyamsa sign of other slow moving planets will also not change in this

period of 59 minutes as they stay much longer time in one shastyamsa. However,

we are making one assumption here that all the planets are in the same point of

shastyamsa, which is more often not true. Again it could be possible that when

there is no change in sign of shastyamsa, the other D-charts change (for

illustration if a planet is at 3 degree of aries, the shastyamsa will not

change unless the planet moves 3.5 degree, however the navamsa would change if

it moves to 3.333 degree).........

 

Did I goof up somewhere????

 

 

Regards

Sarajit

 

 

 

 

 

-

<mahalinga_iyer >

<vedic astrology>

Wednesday, June 27, 2001 4:51 AM

[vedic astrology] Re: same chart like Sachin Tendulkar

> Namaste Arno,> > Thank you for the well-written post. You made several valid

points;> true, things like a saint's blessing can change the course of one's>

life, and this may or may not reflect in the chart. Atleast, an> "ordinary"

astrologer (ie one who is not a saint himself) may not> be able to decipher

this in a chart.> > I am glad you took my example in the right spirit. No, I do

not > have a chart of anybody like a Tendulkar 'twin', but it would be> very

hard to say what I meant without an example, and so I picked> Tendulkar.> > I

remain,> > Mahalinga Iyer> > > > Namaste Mahalinga, sorry for butting in.> > >

> I think there are many ways how your question can be answered, and > there

is> > probably no one who can answer it definitively. Your query would >

become> > really interesting if you actually knew of a person who had exactly >

the same> > chart like Sachin Tendulkar, down to D-60. Because we dont know any

> such> > person the question remains hypothetical and, perhaps, looses some >

of its> > urgency.> > > > But let us assume that there is such a person.

According to the > rules of> > astrology, he would then either be an identical

twin of Sachin > Tendulkar> > (which he is not) or someone born to different

parents but with very > similar> > fate. He would have the same dhana and raja

yogas and he would > probably be> > wealthy and somewhat famous but according

to his desha and patra. He > would> > probably be a skillful sportsman, too,

with good determination, > concentration> > and fighting spirit but would he be

a professional cricket player > and would> > he become a national celebrity? I

dont know. Not necessarily. He > might also> > become a good tennis player, if

he is born in Calcutta and his > father lives> > close to the Calcutta grass

courts, is well to do and wants him to > learn> > tennis. Or he might become a

good soccer player, if he is born in a > part of> > India where they are really

into soccer such as Cochin.> > > > As Alex said, parental conditioning, social

background and the > influence of> > friends have to be taken into

consideration. Maybe Sachin Tendulkars > father> > was very supportive of him

becoming a great cricket player and that > might> > have been a very decisive

factor in his career (I dont know his > biography).> > but I doubt that you

will be able to see that in his chart. You may > be able> > to see fathers

support but not the cricket.> > > > Jennifer Capriati won two Grand Slam tennis

tournaments this year. > She was> > the youngest Wimbledon quarter finalist ever

(at 14). At the age of > 3 (!!!)> > her father began to force her into daily

tennis practice. Same with > the> > german five time Wimbledon winner Steffi

Graf: Her father wanted her > to> > become a famous tennis player from the age

of 5 and it worked in her > case,> > too.> > > > So perhaps your hypothetical

Sachin Tendulkar clone was born in a > village to> > a father who simply wasnt

able to support his sporting talent and so > he ended> > up playing cricket

with his village friends and was very good at it > and> > famous in the village

but never made it to the national limelight.> > > > I think ultimately your

question boils down to the good old issue of > "will we> > ever be able to

predict every single little detail about the destiny > of a> > person". I think

the answer is negative for various reasons. At > least in Kali> > yuga. Too many

controversies and open questions (different > ayanamshas, 360 or> > 365 years

for vimshottari dasa, true or mean Rahu, vague birth > times,> > interpolations

in traditional texts, whole chapters of Jaimini sutra > and> > Parashara Hora

shastra lost, sanskrit shlokas which can be > interpreted in two> > different

ways and no one there to clarify etc.). Of course, that > does not> > mean

that a good astrologer cannot give wise guidance from your > chart. He can> >

but I doubt that he will be able to see whether or not you become a > national>

> cricket icon.> > > > One final point: if the astrologer is a very virtuous and

sattvic > person and> > he has performed some spiritual tapasya whatever he

predicts will > come true> > due to the power of his purity and penance. He can

bless or he can > also> > curse. Maybe Sachin Tendulkar was lucky to get the

blessings of > persons who> > are in a position to bless. If I am not mistaken,

he is Indias > darling and if> > several hundred million people want you to

succeed, that will > certainly give> > you a boost. In other words, there is a

thing called kripa (mercy or> > blessing), as Mr. Satya, pointed out in his

elaborate and eloquent > article on> > karma and I believe that this factor may

or may not be indicated in > a chart.> > > > A saint is able to bestow mercy

without karmic cause and that is > why it is> > repeatedly stated throughout

the vedas and puranas that a saint has > the power> > to bring about what is

not destined and to mar what is destined.> > > > Destiny is a powerful force

which cannot be simply ignored and is > not easily> > erased, but it can be

changed through free will or higher > intervention and> > thats why it is not

possible to read a chart perfectly unless you > are a> > highly elevated saint.

Then your words will shape the destiny of the > person> > you are giving

predictions to and the person might become a national > cricket> > hero just

because you say so.> > > > regards, Arno> > > Archives:

vedic astrology> > Group info:

vedic astrology/info.html> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank

mail to vedic astrology-> > ....... May Jupiter's light

shine on us .......> > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu

|| > > Your use of is subject to

> >

[Guest guest]

Dear Mahalinga,

 

It is natural this type of questions pop up in our mind as we are not understood

yet. According to my poor understanding, you did not done any wrong by asking

this question, but we have to think bit more the possibility of having two

identicle charts.

Acording to our common sence, say it could happen.

 

Learned Jyotish using various tools to predict one's life with faith including

Prasna, omen etc..while we trying to depend on only the chart. Why ? Does

prasna chart comes same ?

 

We can read our Nadi if we interested. Common question is, Were Maharishis

written nadi for all in this earth ? Don't know, but if you visit them you will

find yours.

 

If my memory correct, some were trying to Made a birth to a child 00.01AM (or

when ever) on 01.01.2000. They have arranged star hotel rooms for couples and

given back caculated time and date to try according to modern science !!. Did

they had ?

 

Simple answer is, any of this does not work on our favour. That is what we get.

All these some one else's desire and we are only poor souls did not understand

this.

 

My answer is just came up from my mind and not thinking start an argument. I

hope you will understand what I am trying to say.

 

Hope this will help a bit.

 

Karu

 

Dear Mahalinga!

 

I also supported Solai to close the topic for the time being, the intention was

not to stop anybody else participating, but to take a moment of and ponder over

the issue.

 

I went through the comments given by Arno! Infact he tried hard to explain what

could be the result if such thing what you say happen. But I am still pondering

whether such situation can exist. The D-60 of a person shows his past life. If

the D-60 of two persons are the same that would mean that the past lives of the

two persons would be the same. But I feel that it is not possible, though I

can't say why.........

 

Even I can't rule out that existance of two same charts upto D-60 is

theoretically impossible. It would be really interesting if any one of us in

the discussion group can find some chart which is similar to such extent. I

would love to listen the comments of Narasimha or Gurudev Pt. Sanjay Rath.

 

Can anyone from the group tell me the theoretical possibility of persons having

same D-1 to D-60. What could be the probability of existence of such

cases........

 

As per my understanding. The fastest planet in the horoscope is the Moon, which

moves through the zodiac in 29.5 days. i.e in one sign, 2.4583 days and 1

degree @ 1.967 hrs and one shatyamsa (0.5 degree) in 59 minutes. We know that

the lagna of place rise with the sun. So within the arc of Sun's movement by

59minutes, the lagna would be the same and the Moon will be in the same

shastyamsa in the 59 Minutes. For illustration, if Sun has risen in Leo 1degree

at 85E at 5:30 AM, it will rise at 5:34 at 84E in Leo 1.00277 degree. The Lagna

in the Shatyamsa will not change untill Sun rises at 77E30 degree at 5:59 in Leo

1.004972 degree. Thus when Sun moves from 85E to 77E30, the natives born during

the Sunrise will share the same Shatyamsa Lagna and the shatyamsa of Moon also

will not change as takes 59 minutes to change one sign in the shatyamsa. The

shastyamsa sign of other slow moving planets will also not change in this

period of 59 minutes as they stay much longer time in one shastyamsa. However,

we are making one assumption here that all the planets are in the same point of

shastyamsa, which is more often not true. Again it could be possible that when

there is no change in sign of shastyamsa, the other D-charts change (for

illustration if a planet is at 3 degree of aries, the shastyamsa will not

change unless the planet moves 3.5 degree, however the navamsa would change if

it moves to 3.333 degree).........

 

Did I goof up somewhere????

 

 

Regards

Sarajit

 

 

 

 

 

-

<mahalinga_iyer >

<vedic astrology>

Wednesday, June 27, 2001 4:51 AM

[vedic astrology] Re: same chart like Sachin Tendulkar

> Namaste Arno,> > Thank you for the well-written post. You made several valid

points;> true, things like a saint's blessing can change the course of one's>

life, and this may or may not reflect in the chart. Atleast, an> "ordinary"

astrologer (ie one who is not a saint himself) may not> be able to decipher

this in a chart.> > I am glad you took my example in the right spirit. No, I do

not > have a chart of anybody like a Tendulkar 'twin', but it would be> very

hard to say what I meant without an example, and so I picked> Tendulkar.> > I

remain,> > Mahalinga Iyer> > > > Namaste Mahalinga, sorry for butting in.> > >

> I think there are many ways how your question can be answered, and > there

is> > probably no one who can answer it definitively. Your query would >

become> > really interesting if you actually knew of a person who had exactly >

the same> > chart like Sachin Tendulkar, down to D-60. Because we dont know any

> such> > person the question remains hypothetical and, perhaps, looses some >

of its> > urgency.> > > > But let us assume that there is such a person.

According to the > rules of> > astrology, he would then either be an identical

twin of Sachin > Tendulkar> > (which he is not) or someone born to different

parents but with very > similar> > fate. He would have the same dhana and raja

yogas and he would > probably be> > wealthy and somewhat famous but according

to his desha and patra. He > would> > probably be a skillful sportsman, too,

with good determination, > concentration> > and fighting spirit but would he be

a professional cricket player > and would> > he become a national celebrity? I

dont know. Not necessarily. He > might also> > become a good tennis player, if

he is born in Calcutta and his > father lives> > close to the Calcutta grass

courts, is well to do and wants him to > learn> > tennis. Or he might become a

good soccer player, if he is born in a > part of> > India where they are really

into soccer such as Cochin.> > > > As Alex said, parental conditioning, social

background and the > influence of> > friends have to be taken into

consideration. Maybe Sachin Tendulkars > father> > was very supportive of him

becoming a great cricket player and that > might> > have been a very decisive

factor in his career (I dont know his > biography).> > but I doubt that you

will be able to see that in his chart. You may > be able> > to see fathers

support but not the cricket.> > > > Jennifer Capriati won two Grand Slam tennis

tournaments this year. > She was> > the youngest Wimbledon quarter finalist ever

(at 14). At the age of > 3 (!!!)> > her father began to force her into daily

tennis practice. Same with > the> > german five time Wimbledon winner Steffi

Graf: Her father wanted her > to> > become a famous tennis player from the age

of 5 and it worked in her > case,> > too.> > > > So perhaps your hypothetical

Sachin Tendulkar clone was born in a > village to> > a father who simply wasnt

able to support his sporting talent and so > he ended> > up playing cricket

with his village friends and was very good at it > and> > famous in the village

but never made it to the national limelight.> > > > I think ultimately your

question boils down to the good old issue of > "will we> > ever be able to

predict every single little detail about the destiny > of a> > person". I think

the answer is negative for various reasons. At > least in Kali> > yuga. Too many

controversies and open questions (different > ayanamshas, 360 or> > 365 years

for vimshottari dasa, true or mean Rahu, vague birth > times,> > interpolations

in traditional texts, whole chapters of Jaimini sutra > and> > Parashara Hora

shastra lost, sanskrit shlokas which can be > interpreted in two> > different

ways and no one there to clarify etc.). Of course, that > does not> > mean

that a good astrologer cannot give wise guidance from your > chart. He can> >

but I doubt that he will be able to see whether or not you become a > national>

> cricket icon.> > > > One final point: if the astrologer is a very virtuous and

sattvic > person and> > he has performed some spiritual tapasya whatever he

predicts will > come true> > due to the power of his purity and penance. He can

bless or he can > also> > curse. Maybe Sachin Tendulkar was lucky to get the

blessings of > persons who> > are in a position to bless. If I am not mistaken,

he is Indias > darling and if> > several hundred million people want you to

succeed, that will > certainly give> > you a boost. In other words, there is a

thing called kripa (mercy or> > blessing), as Mr. Satya, pointed out in his

elaborate and eloquent > article on> > karma and I believe that this factor may

or may not be indicated in > a chart.> > > > A saint is able to bestow mercy

without karmic cause and that is > why it is> > repeatedly stated throughout

the vedas and puranas that a saint has > the power> > to bring about what is

not destined and to mar what is destined.> > > > Destiny is a powerful force

which cannot be simply ignored and is > not easily> > erased, but it can be

changed through free will or higher > intervention and> > thats why it is not

possible to read a chart perfectly unless you > are a> > highly elevated saint.

Then your words will shape the destiny of the > person> > you are giving

predictions to and the person might become a national > cricket> > hero just

because you say so.> > > > regards, Arno> > > Archives:

vedic astrology> > Group info:

vedic astrology/info.html> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank

mail to vedic astrology-> > ....... May Jupiter's light

shine on us .......> > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu

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> > Archives:

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vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank

mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light

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[Guest guest]

Hello.

In the same mannor that we can predict whether remedial messures will help on a

specific ailment, so can we predict the blessings of a saint. Read

Vedic-Remedies in Astrology, by Sanjay Rath.

 

Narasimha has allready in the past explained how we can see events happen, down

to hours in acuracy. He did this through Narayana Dasa of the D-24, and showed

his activities during that time. I've tried this myself and found an

outstanding acuracy.

 

We all get what we deserve, and some of us deserve the same thing. Initially the

reason for deserving it comes from the D-60, we cannot change our fate, nor can

others. Even remedial messures is destined, which could spark from the mere

advice of a priest in a past birth, during a time of suffering.

 

Best wishes, Visti.

-

mahalinga_iyer

vedic astrology

Wednesday, June 27, 2001 1:21 AM

[vedic astrology] Re: same chart like Sachin Tendulkar

Namaste Arno,Thank you for the well-written post. You made several valid

points;true, things like a saint's blessing can change the course of one'slife,

and this may or may not reflect in the chart. Atleast, an"ordinary" astrologer

(ie one who is not a saint himself) may notbe able to decipher this in a

chart.I am glad you took my example in the right spirit. No, I do not have a

chart of anybody like a Tendulkar 'twin', but it would bevery hard to say what

I meant without an example, and so I pickedTendulkar.I remain,Mahalinga Iyer>

Namaste Mahalinga, sorry for butting in.> > I think there are many ways how

your question can be answered, and there is> probably no one who can answer it

definitively. Your query would become> really interesting if you actually knew

of a person who had exactly the same> chart like Sachin Tendulkar, down to

D-60. Because we dont know any such> person the question remains hypothetical

and, perhaps, looses some of its> urgency.> > But let us assume that there is

such a person. According to the rules of> astrology, he would then either be an

identical twin of Sachin Tendulkar> (which he is not) or someone born to

different parents but with very similar> fate. He would have the same dhana and

raja yogas and he would probably be> wealthy and somewhat famous but according

to his desha and patra. He would> probably be a skillful sportsman, too, with

good determination, concentration> and fighting spirit but would he be a

professional cricket player and would> he become a national celebrity? I dont

know. Not necessarily. He might also> become a good tennis player, if he is

born in Calcutta and his father lives> close to the Calcutta grass courts, is

well to do and wants him to learn> tennis. Or he might become a good soccer

player, if he is born in a part of> India where they are really into soccer

such as Cochin.> > As Alex said, parental conditioning, social background and

the influence of> friends have to be taken into consideration. Maybe Sachin

Tendulkars father> was very supportive of him becoming a great cricket player

and that might> have been a very decisive factor in his career (I dont know his

biography).> but I doubt that you will be able to see that in his chart. You may

be able> to see fathers support but not the cricket.> > Jennifer Capriati won

two Grand Slam tennis tournaments this year. She was> the youngest Wimbledon

quarter finalist ever (at 14). At the age of 3 (!!!)> her father began to force

her into daily tennis practice. Same with the> german five time Wimbledon winner

Steffi Graf: Her father wanted her to> become a famous tennis player from the

age of 5 and it worked in her case,> too.> > So perhaps your hypothetical

Sachin Tendulkar clone was born in a village to> a father who simply wasnt able

to support his sporting talent and so he ended> up playing cricket with his

village friends and was very good at it and> famous in the village but never

made it to the national limelight.> > I think ultimately your question boils

down to the good old issue of "will we> ever be able to predict every single

little detail about the destiny of a> person". I think the answer is negative

for various reasons. At least in Kali> yuga. Too many controversies and open

questions (different ayanamshas, 360 or> 365 years for vimshottari dasa, true

or mean Rahu, vague birth times,> interpolations in traditional texts, whole

chapters of Jaimini sutra and> Parashara Hora shastra lost, sanskrit shlokas

which can be interpreted in two> different ways and no one there to clarify

etc.). Of course, that does not> mean that a good astrologer cannot give wise

guidance from your chart. He can> but I doubt that he will be able to see

whether or not you become a national> cricket icon.> > One final point: if the

astrologer is a very virtuous and sattvic person and> he has performed some

spiritual tapasya whatever he predicts will come true> due to the power of his

purity and penance. He can bless or he can also> curse. Maybe Sachin Tendulkar

was lucky to get the blessings of persons who> are in a position to bless. If I

am not mistaken, he is Indias darling and if> several hundred million people

want you to succeed, that will certainly give> you a boost. In other words,

there is a thing called kripa (mercy or> blessing), as Mr. Satya, pointed out

in his elaborate and eloquent article on> karma and I believe that this factor

may or may not be indicated in a chart.> > A saint is able to bestow mercy

without karmic cause and that is why it is> repeatedly stated throughout the

vedas and puranas that a saint has the power> to bring about what is not

destined and to mar what is destined.> > Destiny is a powerful force which

cannot be simply ignored and is not easily> erased, but it can be changed

through free will or higher intervention and> thats why it is not possible to

read a chart perfectly unless you are a> highly elevated saint. Then your words

will shape the destiny of the person> you are giving predictions to and the

person might become a national cricket> hero just because you say so.> >

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Namaste Mahalinga and others,

 

I am reproducing exactly what the genius Sri K.S.Krishnamurthi wrote

in one of his articles. Starts ----

 

Identical results are enjoyed by people whose birth took place at the

same minute, in the same Latitude and Longitude. Let me place before

the readers in a tangible and systematic form my reasons :

 

The first instance relates to two persons born at the same time and

who both got married to two career girls who were earning. They had

no children but both couples were very fond of domestic pets, cats

and dogs. The two males were lecturers producing identical results,

with equal interest in politics, philosophy and religion. Minor

events in their lives were also strikingly similar; for example, both

suffered from toothache at the same time and on the same day. Yet,

the two male partners were in no way related to each other and hailed

from widely separated places.

 

Another instance is about two men born in the same village who

narrated their experiences after they had lived there for a fairly

long time. Their temperaments, behaviour and character were

identical. Both had pleasing manners, were always cheerful and never

rude to anyone. Both were robust in health and whenever one fell ill,

the other also ailed from the same disease.

 

Each of them lost a child in the same month, and had the same number

of children. One was a journalist, while the other was a writer of

fiction. Mercury, Mars and Jupiter were the signs who ruled over

their professions. The culmination in this extraordinary similarity

was in the death of these two natives on the same day.

 

Yet another instance relates to a report that appeared in a foreign

journal in 1820. It mentioned that Samuel Hennings died at the age of

82. He was born on 4-6-1738 at a place situated in the same Latitude

and Longitude, as King George III, who ascended the throne in

October, 1760. Mr. Hennings was then an independent business-man.

King George III got married on 8-9-1761 and on the same day Mr.

Hennings took Elsie for his wife. Both had the same number of

children of each sex. Both were 1ong-1ived and died at the same hour

on 2-9-1820.

 

Instances can be multiplied for such remarkably coincident

happenings. The principles governing such event will be explained in

my magazine.

 

---------- Ends

 

The question posed by Mahalinga is hypothetical. The number of births

taking place per unit of time are not EVENLY placed. Probably when

persons of one of their kinds are born, there may be no other birth.

But after ten seconds there may be 6 births in the same second. How

are we to know? We can only speculate about a hypothetical question.

Yet what Mahalinga suggests could be a possibility. As an astrologer,

I am sure of one thing. IF two people share exactly the same charts,

they WILL share similiar results, if not same. While one is a

journalist, the other could be a fiction writer. To this extent they

could share the results. Even with the same charts some differences

could exist because the chart is JUST A TOOL to help us understand

the person's karma, that too only Prarabdha, with the help of the

planets the physical representatives of the higher principles of

energy called the Grahas. Each graha has multiple significations.

Each combination could manifest in a few ways. The differences are

due to the simplification of a complex phenomenon. Even in a precise

methodology like KP each sub has atleast 8-10 professions. But the

249 subs totally represent literally thousands of careers. Career

itself(10th house is karma sthana)represents karma. While every house

represents some karmas, it is the 10th house that expressly

represents karma. It is in our career that we actually get to

interact with maximum number of people than in any other area. Career

affords one a chance to liquidate karma by living out one's personal

dharma (svadharma). The highest manifestation of KARMA STHANA the

real flowering of the 10th house is MOKSHA. Surprised? That is why

the highest manifestation of Ketu in the 10th means self-realisation.

Such is the enigma of Karma. Myriad are the expressions of karma. So

in this area the possibility for variations exists. Who can unravel

the mystery of Karma? Not even the sages. Then how can we say much?

But most other areas like date of marriage, children, promotion,

sickness and death are all common if two people have same charts.

Slight differences could exist in career alone.

 

All this apart astrology IS QUITE AN ACCURATE SCIENCE IF our

methodologies are good esp in Prashna. Once you EXPERIENCE 80-90% of

your predictions coming true, esp when above 60% come precisely

correct, it is then and only then that you stand in awe, like an atom

in an ocean of atoms, marveling at the mystery that life is, the

glory and grandeur of the Universal intelligence. We will still never

know IN ENTIRETY karma, the secret of secrets. Jyotish is an attempt

to know the unknown through the known. Yet Jyotish is the best light

on life. It gives us a vision of the workings of the Universe. Verily

it is the eye of the Veda.

 

May the truth set us free,

Satya

[Guest guest]

Dear Satya!

 

I am really benifitted with this mail of yours. This

is indeed eye-opening.

 

However, I would like to know about your magazene.

Sorry for being unaware.

 

Regards

Sarajit

 

--- satyaketu wrote:

> Namaste Mahalinga and others,

>

> I am reproducing exactly what the genius Sri

> K.S.Krishnamurthi wrote

> in one of his articles. Starts ----

>

> Identical results are enjoyed by people whose birth

> took place at the

> same minute, in the same Latitude and Longitude. Let

> me place before

> the readers in a tangible and systematic form my

> reasons :

>

> The first instance relates to two persons born at

> the same time and

> who both got married to two career girls who were

> earning. They had

> no children but both couples were very fond of

> domestic pets, cats

> and dogs. The two males were lecturers producing

> identical results,

> with equal interest in politics, philosophy and

> religion. Minor

> events in their lives were also strikingly similar;

> for example, both

> suffered from toothache at the same time and on the

> same day. Yet,

> the two male partners were in no way related to each

> other and hailed

> from widely separated places.

>

> Another instance is about two men born in the same

> village who

> narrated their experiences after they had lived

> there for a fairly

> long time. Their temperaments, behaviour and

> character were

> identical. Both had pleasing manners, were always

> cheerful and never

> rude to anyone. Both were robust in health and

> whenever one fell ill,

> the other also ailed from the same disease.

>

> Each of them lost a child in the same month, and had

> the same number

> of children. One was a journalist, while the other

> was a writer of

> fiction. Mercury, Mars and Jupiter were the signs

> who ruled over

> their professions. The culmination in this

> extraordinary similarity

> was in the death of these two natives on the same

> day.

>

> Yet another instance relates to a report that

> appeared in a foreign

> journal in 1820. It mentioned that Samuel Hennings

> died at the age of

> 82. He was born on 4-6-1738 at a place situated in

> the same Latitude

> and Longitude, as King George III, who ascended the

> throne in

> October, 1760. Mr. Hennings was then an independent

> business-man.

> King George III got married on 8-9-1761 and on the

> same day Mr.

> Hennings took Elsie for his wife. Both had the same

> number of

> children of each sex. Both were 1ong-1ived and died

> at the same hour

> on 2-9-1820.

>

> Instances can be multiplied for such remarkably

> coincident

> happenings. The principles governing such event will

> be explained in

> my magazine.

>

> ---------- Ends

>

> The question posed by Mahalinga is hypothetical. The

> number of births

> taking place per unit of time are not EVENLY placed.

> Probably when

> persons of one of their kinds are born, there may be

> no other birth.

> But after ten seconds there may be 6 births in the

> same second. How

> are we to know? We can only speculate about a

> hypothetical question.

> Yet what Mahalinga suggests could be a possibility.

> As an astrologer,

> I am sure of one thing. IF two people share exactly

> the same charts,

> they WILL share similiar results, if not same. While

> one is a

> journalist, the other could be a fiction writer. To

> this extent they

> could share the results. Even with the same charts

> some differences

> could exist because the chart is JUST A TOOL to help

> us understand

> the person's karma, that too only Prarabdha, with

> the help of the

> planets the physical representatives of the higher

> principles of

> energy called the Grahas. Each graha has multiple

> significations.

> Each combination could manifest in a few ways. The

> differences are

> due to the simplification of a complex phenomenon.

> Even in a precise

> methodology like KP each sub has atleast 8-10

> professions. But the

> 249 subs totally represent literally thousands of

> careers. Career

> itself(10th house is karma sthana)represents karma.

> While every house

> represents some karmas, it is the 10th house that

> expressly

> represents karma. It is in our career that we

> actually get to

> interact with maximum number of people than in any

> other area. Career

> affords one a chance to liquidate karma by living

> out one's personal

> dharma (svadharma). The highest manifestation of

> KARMA STHANA the

> real flowering of the 10th house is MOKSHA.

> Surprised? That is why

> the highest manifestation of Ketu in the 10th means

> self-realisation.

> Such is the enigma of Karma. Myriad are the

> expressions of karma. So

> in this area the possibility for variations exists.

> Who can unravel

> the mystery of Karma? Not even the sages. Then how

> can we say much?

> But most other areas like date of marriage,

> children, promotion,

> sickness and death are all common if two people have

> same charts.

> Slight differences could exist in career alone.

>

> All this apart astrology IS QUITE AN ACCURATE

> SCIENCE IF our

> methodologies are good esp in Prashna. Once you

> EXPERIENCE 80-90% of

> your predictions coming true, esp when above 60%

> come precisely

> correct, it is then and only then that you stand in

> awe, like an atom

> in an ocean of atoms, marveling at the mystery that

> life is, the

> glory and grandeur of the Universal intelligence. We

> will still never

> know IN ENTIRETY karma, the secret of secrets.

> Jyotish is an attempt

> to know the unknown through the known. Yet Jyotish

> is the best light

> on life. It gives us a vision of the workings of the

> Universe. Verily

> it is the eye of the Veda.

>

> May the truth set us free,

> Satya

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Namaste Visti,

 

Thanks for the input. You seem to be a believer in the theory that

"everything" can be seen in a chart, so would you mind reading my

detailed example using Tendulkar (an Indian sportsman) and

responding? Considering the population and birth rate in India's

large cities, one cannot be sure that only one person has a unique

D-1.........D-60 combination. I would like your assessment of that

article.

 

With all due respect, I do not believe it is possible to PREDICT

anything down to the hour. It may be possible to ANALYSE past

events to that level of accuracy. That is because with sign and

nakshatra lordships, sign and nakshatra dispositor-ships, planetary

placement in D-1 to D-60, argala, rasi and graha drishti, one can

link any planet, or any sign to any event. *In my opinion*, such

past life analysis is useful to a very limited extent, especially

on one's own chart.

 

Consider how KN Rao and BV Raman (two of India's top astrologers)

use an ayanamsa that differs significantly. They are extremely

unlikely to get the same D-60 for any two individuals. Yet, you ask

them to explain any subject's D-60 to fit their known facts, and I

am sure they will do so with ease.

 

Consider also how different astrologers take different lagna in

D-1 (!) for personalities like Rajiv Gandhi and Srila Prabhupada

and explain their known life history.

 

I remain,

 

Mahalinga Iyer

 

 

 

vedic astrology, "Visti Larsen" <vlarsen@h...> wrote:

> Hello.

> In the same mannor that we can predict whether remedial messures

will help

> on a specific ailment, so can we predict the blessings of a saint.

Read

> Vedic-Remedies in Astrology, by Sanjay Rath.

>

> Narasimha has allready in the past explained how we can see events

happen,

> down to hours in acuracy. He did this through Narayana Dasa of the

D-24, and

> showed his activities during that time. I've tried this myself and

found an

> outstanding acuracy.

>

> We all get what we deserve, and some of us deserve the same thing.

Initially

> the reason for deserving it comes from the D-60, we cannot change

our fate,

> nor can others. Even remedial messures is destined, which could

spark from

> the mere advice of a priest in a past birth, during a time of

suffering.

>

> Best wishes, Visti.

> -

> mahalinga_iyer

> vedic astrology

> Wednesday, June 27, 2001 1:21 AM

> [vedic astrology] Re: same chart like Sachin Tendulkar

>

>

> Namaste Arno,

>

> Thank you for the well-written post. You made several valid

points;

> true, things like a saint's blessing can change the course of

one's

> life, and this may or may not reflect in the chart. Atleast, an

> "ordinary" astrologer (ie one who is not a saint himself) may not

> be able to decipher this in a chart.

>

> I am glad you took my example in the right spirit. No, I do not

> have a chart of anybody like a Tendulkar 'twin', but it would be

> very hard to say what I meant without an example, and so I picked

> Tendulkar.

>

> I remain,

>

> Mahalinga Iyer

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Mahalinga, Namaste.

I've read your article and appraise your statistical profficiency.

You must have Mars associated with your Lagna or 5th in Navamsa.

 

My only concern is allthough the theory is interesting, its not proven.

In truth a bumble-bee, can't fly.

The US Government proved that one bullet alone, killed JF Kennedy, his

bodyguard, and scared another guard. This we know for sure isn't true, yet

scientist proved it theoritcally.

 

I'm sorry to disgard your theory this way, but none other than Mr. Tendulkar,

had his fate set for himself.

 

You've only preponded this theory on the basis the 9 Grahas and the lagna, this

troubles me somewhat.. Ghati & Hora Lagnas are very important for giving/timing

succes, as is the Jamna Vighati Graha that gives knowledge of our health and

strength.

 

A sports man of his kind would preferably have it exalted/well-placed Jamna

Vighati Graha in Navamsa, and this changes every 24 seconds.

 

The Varnada Lagna shows our profession acording to Jaimini, and its dependant on

the Lagna and Hora Lagna(If one calculates its degrees). Also if the lagna is

changed in one varga, then all the Arudha Padas changes as well, this gives an

entirely different picture.

 

And then the PranaPada, the life giver. Now thats a sensitive point.

 

 

So lets make a scale:

Rasi Lg: 2 hrs.

Rasi Hora & Varnada Lg: 1 hr.

Rasi Ghati LG: 24 min.

 

Navamsa Lg: ~13 min.

Navamsa Hora & Varnada Lg: ~6,5 min.

Navamsa Ghati Lg: ~160 sec.

 

The Pranapada is very sensitive in this regard.

 

Dasamsa Lg: 12 min.

Dasamsa Hora & Varnada Lg: 6 min.

Dasamsa Ghati Lg: 144 sec.

 

Lets see the change in D-60:

 

Shastyamsa Lg: 2 min.

Shastyamsa Hora & Varnada Lg: 1 Min.

Shastyamsa Ghati Lg: 24 sec.

 

Now try to keep in mind all the factors that contribute to an analysis;

1. Varga difference(even once a higher varga a rectified the lower may still be different).

2. Interchangability between Jamna lagna and the other lagnas.

3. Arudha Pada difference.

4. Krishnamurty and some nadis will shout nakshatra-sub & sub-sub difference.

 

If you can find two charts where all the grahas and Lagnas are acurate upto

D-12, then i'll applaud you. This seems to be a 144 second interval, when

excluding Vighati Lagna and Pranapada.

 

Then consider the 24 second interval, keeping in mind the same information i.e.

same lagnas upto D-60, and you will surely find big discrepensies.

 

And then finally same Navamsa-Dwadasamsa(D-108) and Nadiamsa(D-150), should play their role.

 

But this is all theory, i have no proof. Then again neither have you, so we're both in dispair.

 

 

You wouldn't by any chance, also know if theres a severe premature deathrate in

the mentioned cities?

 

Hope this helps.

Best wishes, Visti.

 

p.s. You can find Narasimhas article in the archives.. its pretty interesting.

[Guest guest]

Hi Visti,

I think, Saturn and Mercury gives one statistical knowledge/studies.

This is what I observed in most of my friends (at Indian Statistical Institute)

plams.

Best regards,

Vijay.

Visti Larsen wrote:

Dear Mahalinga,

Namaste.I've read your article and appraise your

statistical profficiency.You must have Mars associated

with your Lagna or 5th in Navamsa. My only concern is allthough

the theory is interesting, its not proven.In truth a bumble-bee, can't

fly.The US Government proved that one bullet alone, killed JF Kennedy,

his bodyguard, and scared another guard. This we know for sure isn't true,

yet scientist proved it theoritcally. I'm sorry to disgard your theory

this way, but none other than Mr. Tendulkar, had his fate set for himself. You've

only preponded this theory on the basis the 9 Grahas and the lagna, this

troubles me somewhat.. Ghati & Hora Lagnas are very important for giving/timing

succes, as is the Jamna Vighati Graha that gives knowledge of our health

and strength. A sports man of his kind would preferably have it exalted/well-placed

Jamna Vighati Graha in Navamsa, and this changes every 24 seconds. The

Varnada Lagna shows our profession acording to Jaimini, and its dependant

on the Lagna and Hora Lagna(If one calculates its degrees). Also if the

lagna is changed in one varga, then all the Arudha Padas changes as well,

this gives an entirely different picture. And then the PranaPada,

the life giver. Now thats a sensitive point. So lets make a

scale:Rasi Lg: 2 hrs.Rasi Hora & Varnada Lg: 1 hr.Rasi Ghati LG: 24

min. Navamsa Lg: ~13 min.Navamsa Hora & Varnada Lg: ~6,5 min.Navamsa

Ghati Lg: ~160 sec. The Pranapada is very sensitive in this regard. Dasamsa

Lg: 12 min.Dasamsa Hora & Varnada Lg: 6 min.Dasamsa Ghati Lg: 144 sec. Lets

see the change in D-60: Shastyamsa Lg: 2 min.Shastyamsa Hora &

Varnada Lg: 1 Min.Shastyamsa Ghati Lg: 24 sec. Now try to keep in

mind all the factors that contribute to an analysis;1. Varga difference(even

once a higher varga a rectified the lower may still be different).2. Interchangability

between Jamna lagna and the other lagnas.3. Arudha Pada difference.4. Krishnamurty

and some nadis will shout nakshatra-sub & sub-sub difference. If

you can find two charts where all the grahas and Lagnas are acurate upto

D-12, then i'll applaud you. This seems to be a 144 second interval, when

excluding Vighati Lagna and Pranapada. Then consider the 24 second

interval, keeping in mind the same information i.e. same lagnas upto D-60,

and you will surely find big discrepensies. And then finally same

Navamsa-Dwadasamsa(D-108) and Nadiamsa(D-150), should play their role. But

this is all theory, i have no proof. Then again neither have you, so we're

both in dispair. You wouldn't by any chance, also know if theres

a severe premature deathrate in the mentioned cities? Hope this helps.Best

wishes, Visti. p.s. You can find Narasimhas article in the archives..

its pretty interesting.

[Guest guest]

AUM SRI GURUVE NAMAH

Dear Visti and Mahalinga!

 

Just want to share some thoughts...

 

If so many other things (other than the 9 planets and the lagna) affect a

horoscope and can colour and interpretation of the horoscope, then why don't we

consider all of them when we interpret a horoscope. The answer could be "whether

we need such accuracy in practical interpretation of a horoscopes. Astrology is

meant for counselling where I think such level of accuracy is not required for

day-to-day consultations. Moreoover, when we can collect the information from

verbal interaction, does it worth the effort of finding the same from the

chart.

 

The only requirement of such accuracy could be for phylosophical purpose and to

verify the validity of Jyotish as a objective science.

 

 

Pranaam

Sarait Poddar

 

 

 

VISTI Wrote:

 

Dear Mahalinga, Namaste.

I've read your article and appraise your statistical profficiency.

You must have Mars associated with your Lagna or 5th in Navamsa.

 

My only concern is allthough the theory is interesting, its not proven.

In truth a bumble-bee, can't fly.

The US Government proved that one bullet alone, killed JF Kennedy, his

bodyguard, and scared another guard. This we know for sure isn't true, yet

scientist proved it theoritcally.

 

I'm sorry to disgard your theory this way, but none other than Mr. Tendulkar,

had his fate set for himself.

 

You've only preponded this theory on the basis the 9 Grahas and the lagna, this

troubles me somewhat.. Ghati & Hora Lagnas are very important for giving/timing

succes, as is the Jamna Vighati Graha that gives knowledge of our health and

strength.

 

A sports man of his kind would preferably have it exalted/well-placed Jamna

Vighati Graha in Navamsa, and this changes every 24 seconds.

 

The Varnada Lagna shows our profession acording to Jaimini, and its dependant on

the Lagna and Hora Lagna(If one calculates its degrees). Also if the lagna is

changed in one varga, then all the Arudha Padas changes as well, this gives an

entirely different picture.

 

And then the PranaPada, the life giver. Now thats a sensitive point.

 

 

So lets make a scale:

Rasi Lg: 2 hrs.

Rasi Hora & Varnada Lg: 1 hr.

Rasi Ghati LG: 24 min.

 

Navamsa Lg: ~13 min.

Navamsa Hora & Varnada Lg: ~6,5 min.

Navamsa Ghati Lg: ~160 sec.

 

The Pranapada is very sensitive in this regard.

 

Dasamsa Lg: 12 min.

Dasamsa Hora & Varnada Lg: 6 min.

Dasamsa Ghati Lg: 144 sec.

 

Lets see the change in D-60:

 

Shastyamsa Lg: 2 min.

Shastyamsa Hora & Varnada Lg: 1 Min.

Shastyamsa Ghati Lg: 24 sec.

 

Now try to keep in mind all the factors that contribute to an analysis;

1. Varga difference(even once a higher varga a rectified the lower may still be different).

2. Interchangability between Jamna lagna and the other lagnas.

3. Arudha Pada difference.

4. Krishnamurty and some nadis will shout nakshatra-sub & sub-sub difference.

 

If you can find two charts where all the grahas and Lagnas are acurate upto

D-12, then i'll applaud you. This seems to be a 144 second interval, when

excluding Vighati Lagna and Pranapada.

 

Then consider the 24 second interval, keeping in mind the same information i.e.

same lagnas upto D-60, and you will surely find big discrepensies.

 

And then finally same Navamsa-Dwadasamsa(D-108) and Nadiamsa(D-150), should play their role.

 

But this is all theory, i have no proof. Then again neither have you, so we're both in dispair.

 

 

You wouldn't by any chance, also know if theres a severe premature deathrate in

the mentioned cities?

 

Hope this helps.

Best wishes, Visti.

 

p.s. You can find Narasimhas article in the archives.. its pretty interesting