exterior influences on chart - Sarajit

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Namaste Sarajit,

 

You make excellent points.

 

>>BPHS 77 14. "The attributes of the native are dependent on his

>>father and mother, his time of birth, and the persons he gets

>>associated with. These are the root causes of Uttama, etc.,

>>qualities possessed by him. The attributes endowed by the time of

>>the birth and associations are stronger than those received from

>>the parents."

 

>Eventhough this is true, however, it is nowhere mentioned that you

>cannot see those indications of influence of parents over the native

>from the native's horoscope.

 

Why would Parasar write this if the chart was enough? He seems to

leave out frivolous points. But you are correct, there is no denial

elsewhere in BPHS.

 

>>BPHS 9 2. "Evils causing premature end exist up to the 24th year of

>>one's age, As such, no definite calculation of life span should be

>>made till such year of age."

 

>This can be also interpreted as, by applying the standard principles

>of longivity, the longevity of a individual (upto 12yrs of age)

>can't be computed. If computation of the age of a child has been

>immpossible, then what is the significance of yogas for balarishta

>or premature death (matrushrap, pitrushrap etc.).

 

I admit that this is vague in interpretation, so I have collected a

few other relevant slokas. They make the distinction between the

effects of the balarishta planets, and the parents in more detail.

 

HORA SARA 5 21 "There are three kinds of infant deaths. Firstly the

afflictions due to the parents, secondly due to Bal planets, and

thirdly due to evil combinations of planets"

 

Phala Deepika 13 3. "So far as the viperous creatures are concerned,

it is difficult to determine the period of life within the first

twelve years. As a result of the sinful acts of the mother, father

and his own Balaplanets the native meets with destruction. When the

child dies in the first four years, it is due to the sins of his

mother. If he dies in the middle four years, it is because of the

accumulated sins of the father. If he meets his death in the last

four years, it must be in consequence of his own sins in a previous

birth."

 

>Nobody affects none. In the realm of maya, we see the causality.

>There is only closely knit interrelations among all the body of the

>universe. If someone seems to be influencing somebody happens only

>because the latter is supposed to be influenced(by someone) and both

>the indications can be deciphered from the horoscope.

 

Here hinges the main issue. In the world of Maya there is no doubt

that external influences have an affect on the native. The time

period lived in, the friends, and family all affect him. The question

is whether these effects are all discernible in the chart of the

native or whether we have to also take into consideration exterior

factors.

 

Several thousand years ago, there was a day that produced the exact

same chart positions as this very day June 25, 2001. The ascendant

degree, and planetary positions were exactly the same. If I was to

give an astrologer the identical degrees of these two charts, without

a description of the era of birth, then the astrologer would

hypothetically make identical predictions. However this is not the

case in the lives of the people. They would live very different lives

as a result of the different conditions of life at that time.

 

Likewise, if I was to present the charts of two people born, one in

Africa, and one in the North pole at the same time, there would be

differences due to the geographical location, and customs of the

people. This would also have a bearing. These are all external

influences that must be factored into the person's chart.

 

There are about 160 births per minute, giving a large number of

people born with the same charts, even to the D-150. While an

accurate judgement can be made in regards to many events in life, as

well as the lives of family members, and the type of family born

into, there will still be subtle differences, as a result of

different race, country, etc. This is why these things must also be

considered.

 

Parasara says BPHS 27 39-40. Eligibility of Issue Fruitful

Predictions: "O Maitreya, the words of one who has achieved skill in

mathematics, one who has put in industrious efforts in the branch of

grammar, one who has knowledge of justice, one who is intelligent,

one who has knowledge of geography, space and time, one who has

conquered his senses, one who is skillfully logical, and one who is

favorable to Jyotish, will doubtless be truthful."

 

In this sloka he gives as a prerequisite to predicting accurately a

knowledge of geography, time and space. Without taking into account

these factors, how would it be possible to discern between the

planetary positions in one chart and another with exact same degrees,

yet different millenia? This goes beyond the techniques currently

known, and would (I can only guess) take into consideration the

movements of the planets in relation to the precession of the

equinoxes/movement of ayanamsa.

 

I understand that there is order to the universe, and therefore a

jyotish system for determining all particulars, but this goes far far

beyond the normal birth chart analytical tools. I believe as you do

that failings in prediction are due to human limitations, and not

jyotish. I can agree that jyotish is infallible, but do we have all

the techniques necessary to judge exterior influences, such as time,

place and status of birth from the chart? I am sure that there is a

science for determining the effects of the various yugas, but that

this knowledge is hidden or unrevealed. It doesn't seem to be in

BPHS. As such, BPHS has limitations, and that is most likely why

Parasar states that to issue fruitful predictions, a knowledge of

time, geography must be known, as well as saying to understand the

native, the chart as well as the influences and parents of the

individual must be taken into consideration. (BPHS 77 14"The

attributes of the native are dependent on his father and mother, his

time of birth, and the persons he gets associated with.")

 

There are other things that cannot be read in some charts, like the

lifespan of Saints and Avatars.

 

Some things are simply beyond the ability of any jyotish, such as

predicting the global trends thousands of years in the future. It is

possible that Brahma revealed this to Narada, but this type of

astrology is not among the rules revealed in BPHS or Jaimini. And

therefore since there are limitations that have to be accounted for

in analyzing a chart due to the incomplete knowledge and limitations

of the human mind, it is necessary to take into consideration the

effects of time, geography and associations. All jyotishis do this to

an extent.

 

regards,

 

Alex J