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Namste Visti,

 

I agree that we can have a very strong picture of the person's life

from the chart, and always have. There are always other factors at

work however, some very very important, that even the D-300 cannot

begin to explain.

 

Even if the D-300 is looked at, it cannot hope to account for the

differences that are a result of the time period or place of

residence. For example, where I am from, most people under the age of

20 are familiar with a computer and its uses. A generation ago this

was not the case.

 

I agree that there is an astrology for telling this, but it goes

beyond the abilities of the used natal chart interpretation

techniques. An identical chart with the same degrees will be produced

every few thousand years. This is not enough.

 

The effect of the precession of the equinoxes must be considered.

Eventually even this will complete a full cycle, coming back to its

original position. The position in each of the Yugas, Manvataras and

eventually the time of the universe in relation to the life of Brahma

must also be taken into consideration.

 

Only then can someone predict blindly about the effects of a chart,

without taking into account external knowledge of the effects of

geography, and the trends of the time period. Imagine a person flys

out to Brahma loka for a day, suffers from time dilation there, and

comes back to the Earth several billion years later. How to predict

then with a chart only up to the D-300?

 

How can it be said that two charts, even with identical D-300s will

have the same fate, over even approach the same levels, when one

person is born in the Krita yuga, and the other in the Kali yuga?

Without looking at the charts, I can tell you that the person born

during the Krita yuga will be more pious and act in a more dharmic

way. The person in the Kali yuga will naturally be more attached to

material manifestations, and in general will be a more selfish

person.

 

Regards,

 

Alex J

 

 

vedic astrology, "Visti Larsen" <vlarsen@h...> wrote:

> Namaste.

> We have enough indicators in the chart to give us a very strong

picture of

> the persons life.

> I indeed believe that we can predict practically everything from

the chart,

> all it takes is the devotion to keep on participating in the search

for this

> perfect knowledge.

>

> So remove all your doubts, and have complete faith in God and Guru,

and one

> day you yourself will be playing with the D-300.

>

> Best wishes, Visti.

> -

> Alex J

> vedic astrology

> Monday, June 25, 2001 7:37 PM

> [vedic astrology] Re: parents fate overriding destiny of

children

>

>

> Namaste Visti,

>

> Yes, I agree with you completely... the wording I choose was one

that

> was unintentionally misleading.

>

> The question that I was proposing was whether the chart is the

> complete reflection of the karma of the individual allotted to

this

> life, or whether external factors must be looked at in order to

> understand the karma fully.

>

> I have no argument against the fact that the karma of the

individual

> is his own and simulataneously shared with others. This is one of

the

> first rules of Vedic study. What I meant was that the parent

> influences the child, despite the chart indications of the child.

>

> regards,

>

> Alex J

>

> vedic astrology, "Visti Larsen" <vlarsen@h...> wrote:

> > Namaste Alex & Arno.

> >

> > I must disagree that there is an "Overriding" effect of Fate of

the

> parents

> > towards the child. Instead its a mutual fate. Parasara gave the

> chapter;

> > Evils at birth, for us to look for the Aristha combinations that

> prevail

> > until the 24th year of birth. Alex is otherwise completely

right.

> >

> > But there is no such thing as overriding fate! The child is

> destined to die

> > at the desired age, whether it be attributed to the parents or

> others, its

> > still part of its karma.

> >

> > Hence a Pilot cannot override the fate of his passengers,

because

> they also

> > earned these karmic indicators, as does the captain and his

> passengers.

> >

> > They all chose their fate according to the karmas they must

fulfill.

> >

> > Best wishes, Viti.

> > -

> > Arno Holzmann

> > vedic astrology

> > Monday, June 25, 2001 11:33 AM

> > [vedic astrology] parents fate overriding destiny of

> children

> >

> >

> > Namaste Alex,

> >

> > > This passage shows that the fate of others can in situations

> override

> > > the destiny indicated by their own natal charts. This is

> despite the

> > > *indications* in the chart of the child, that may be for

superb

> > > longevity. At youth the prime association of the child is

with

> the

> > > parents, hence their ability to adversely affect the child's

> destiny.

> >

> > Well argued! I like your analysis. Some time ago someone

wanted

> to know

> > whether or not all people who died in a plane crash would have

> been

> > running

> > maraka periods. Could it be possible that the pilot´s ill

fate or

> action

> > was

> > overriding that of the ( or at least some) passengers? I am

asking

> > because,

> > as is evident from your post, there is such a thing as akala

> mrityu or

> > untimely death (I know that there is a Puranic shloka which

uses

> this

> > term.

> > It says there that akala mrityu is prevented if one drinks the

> water

> > which

> > has been offered to Vishnu). A childs destined longevity can

be

> curtailed

> > due

> > to the fault or negligence of the parent (e.g. fathers gets

drunk

> and

> > crashes

> > the car). Can a pilots fate override the fate of the

passengers?

> What do

> > you

> > think?

> >

> >

> > regards,

> >

> > Anantarupa

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > >>Likewise the charts of all family members, wife, friends,

etc

> will

> > > >>affect the destiny of the person. Similarly the past

> generations of

> > > >>family, local townsmen, and so on. Even the fate of the

> country in

> > > >>such cases.There are millions of factors externally

> influencing the

> > > >>chart of the owners through their own karmas.

> > >

> > > >Sure. But are you suggesting I take a quick look at a

random

> sample

> > > >of local townsmen's charts? :)

> > >

> > > of course, what are you, lazy?? ;-) What I am saying is that

> these

> > > will all have a subtle influence on the chart of the person.

> That is

> > > why there will always be differences between charts, even

when

> > > identical. And it does render many particulars impossible,

> leaving

> > > astrology probabilistic.

> > >

> > > Whereas it is not possible to look at the charts of every

> > > townsperson, you can understand the character and

philosophies

> of the

> > > people, as well as the level of social/technological

> development, and

> > > these will form the basis from which you can interpret the

> chart. The

> > > identical chart 10 000 years ago will not indicate study of

> computer

> > > science, but would indicate study of a science prevalent at

that

> > > time, such as construction of yantras, which requires

> mathematical

> > > precision. People born in the Satya yuga with the same

planetary

> > > combinations will be far more Sattvic in nature than those

born

> in

> > > the degraded Kali yuga, because the overall vibrations of

the

> entire

> > > planet are more Tamasic in the Kali yuga.

> > >

> > > >Look, I am not saying nothing other than the chart will

> influence

> > > >the destiny of the person. My question has to do with how

we

> are

> > > >going to analyze a chart to see those influences.

> > >

> > > The level of accuracy you desire is not possible. Keeping

> Parasar's

> > > dictum in mind, it is not possible to judge from the birth

chart

> > > alone, and at least all other important people in the

person's

> life

> > > must also be analyzed to get the most accurate picture. This

> can be

> > > done approximately by getting life information verbally

from the

> > > native to understand their background and associations.

> > >

> > > Take an example of two people born with the exact same

charts,

> one

> > > the son of Bill Gates, the other the daughter of a beggar.

> Astrology

> > > aside, using your logic, how can their two fates be the

same?

> If the

> > > influence of other charts, the time and place are not taken

into

> > > consideration, how can detailed and precise predictions be

> made? -

> > > Their fates are different from the start.

> > >

> > > >In my opinion, sorry - analyzing the parents' or siblings'

> charts

> > > >is not an option, it would complicate the picture further.

> Other

> > > >list members may or may not agree with you on this...

> > >

> > > Do you think jyotish is not complicated? Should it be a

simple

> > > mathematical formula? How can this then be an accurate

> representation

> > > of the complexity and variability of life?

> > >

> > > BPHS 66 11 "The main purposes of this Jyotish Shastra are

to

> > > determine the longevity and joys and sorrows of the people,

but

> > > because the movements of the planets are so subtle, even

sages

> like

> > > Vashista and Brihaspati have not been able to be quite

> definite in

> > > this respect. Then, how can a common man, particularly in

> Kaliyuga do

> > > so."

> > >

> > > As to why the charts of other people affect yours Parasar

does

> not go

> > > into this in BPHS. However Parasar's son Veda Vyasa

compiled the

> > > Vedas and the Gita. These can be read for an explanation of

> these

> > > principles. These works explain many of the concepts found

in

> > > Parasar's jyotish classic. A good starting point is the

Bhagavad

> > > Gita, as this is very brief, but discusses several important

> > > principles of jyotish.

> > >

> > > All the best,

> > >

> > > Alex J

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Namaste Alex.

Your pressuming alot here, yet cover good ground.

Can you show me two charts that are exactly alike with 1-2 thousand year difference.

 

I don't use the D-300 because of my own limitations as an astrologer.

Yes the progression of the equinox is important.

 

But we both seem to agree that Astrology is enough.

Lets just master what we've been taught upto now before venturing that far.

Best wishes, Visti.

-

Alex J

vedic astrology

Saturday, June 30, 2001 6:45 PM

[vedic astrology] Re: Even D-300 has limitations - Visti

Namste Visti,I agree that we can have a very strong picture of the person's life

from the chart, and always have. There are always other factors at work however,

some very very important, that even the D-300 cannot begin to explain. Even if

the D-300 is looked at, it cannot hope to account for the differences that are

a result of the time period or place of residence. For example, where I am

from, most people under the age of 20 are familiar with a computer and its

uses. A generation ago this was not the case.I agree that there is an astrology

for telling this, but it goes beyond the abilities of the used natal chart

interpretation techniques. An identical chart with the same degrees will be

produced every few thousand years. This is not enough.The effect of the

precession of the equinoxes must be considered. Eventually even this will

complete a full cycle, coming back to its original position. The position in

each of the Yugas, Manvataras and eventually the time of the universe in

relation to the life of Brahma must also be taken into consideration.Only then

can someone predict blindly about the effects of a chart, without taking into

account external knowledge of the effects of geography, and the trends of the

time period. Imagine a person flys out to Brahma loka for a day, suffers from

time dilation there, and comes back to the Earth several billion years later.

How to predict then with a chart only up to the D-300?How can it be said that

two charts, even with identical D-300s will have the same fate, over even

approach the same levels, when one person is born in the Krita yuga, and the

other in the Kali yuga? Without looking at the charts, I can tell you that the

person born during the Krita yuga will be more pious and act in a more dharmic

way. The person in the Kali yuga will naturally be more attached to material

manifestations, and in general will be a more selfish person. Regards,Alex J---

In vedic astrology, "Visti Larsen" <vlarsen@h...> wrote:> Namaste.> We have

enough indicators in the chart to give us a very strong picture of> the persons

life.> I indeed believe that we can predict practically everything from the

chart,> all it takes is the devotion to keep on participating in the search for

this> perfect knowledge.> > So remove all your doubts, and have complete faith

in God and Guru, and one> day you yourself will be playing with the D-300.> >

Best wishes, Visti.> -> Alex J> To:

vedic astrology> Monday, June 25, 2001 7:37 PM> Subject:

[vedic astrology] Re: parents fate overriding destiny of children> > >

Namaste Visti,> > Yes, I agree with you completely... the wording I choose

was one that> was unintentionally misleading.> > The question that I was

proposing was whether the chart is the> complete reflection of the karma of

the individual allotted to this> life, or whether external factors must be

looked at in order to> understand the karma fully.> > I have no argument

against the fact that the karma of the individual> is his own and

simulataneously shared with others. This is one of the> first rules of Vedic

study. What I meant was that the parent> influences the child, despite the

chart indications of the child.> > regards,> > Alex J> > --- In

vedic astrology, "Visti Larsen" <vlarsen@h...> wrote:> > Namaste Alex &

Arno.> >> > I must disagree that there is an "Overriding" effect of Fate of

the> parents> > towards the child. Instead its a mutual fate. Parasara gave

the> chapter;> > Evils at birth, for us to look for the Aristha

combinations that> prevail> > until the 24th year of birth. Alex is

otherwise completely right.> >> > But there is no such thing as overriding

fate! The child is> destined to die> > at the desired age, whether it be

attributed to the parents or> others, its> > still part of its karma.> >>

> Hence a Pilot cannot override the fate of his passengers, because> they

also> > earned these karmic indicators, as does the captain and his>

passengers.> >> > They all chose their fate according to the karmas they

must fulfill.> >> > Best wishes, Viti.> > ->

> Arno Holzmann> > vedic astrology> > Monday,

June 25, 2001 11:33 AM> > [vedic astrology] parents fate

overriding destiny of> children> >> >> > Namaste Alex,> >> > >

This passage shows that the fate of others can in situations> override> >

> the destiny indicated by their own natal charts. This is> despite the> >

> *indications* in the chart of the child, that may be for superb> > >

longevity. At youth the prime association of the child is with> the> > >

parents, hence their ability to adversely affect the child's> destiny.> >>

> Well argued! I like your analysis. Some time ago someone wanted> to know>

> whether or not all people who died in a plane crash would have> been>

> running> > maraka periods. Could it be possible that the pilot´s ill fate

or> action> > was> > overriding that of the ( or at least some)

passengers? I am asking> > because,> > as is evident from your post,

there is such a thing as akala> mrityu or> > untimely death (I know that

there is a Puranic shloka which uses> this> > term.> > It says there

that akala mrityu is prevented if one drinks the> water> > which> > has

been offered to Vishnu). A childs destined longevity can be> curtailed> >

due> > to the fault or negligence of the parent (e.g. fathers gets drunk>

and> > crashes> > the car). Can a pilots fate override the fate of the

passengers?> What do> > you> > think?> >> >> > regards,> >>

> Anantarupa> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >

> >>Likewise the charts of all family members, wife, friends, etc> will> >

> >>affect the destiny of the person. Similarly the past> generations of> >

> >>family, local townsmen, and so on. Even the fate of the> country in> >

> >>such cases.There are millions of factors externally> influencing the>

> > >>chart of the owners through their own karmas.> > >> > > >Sure.

But are you suggesting I take a quick look at a random> sample> > > >of

local townsmen's charts? :)> > >> > > of course, what are you, lazy??

;-) What I am saying is that> these> > > will all have a subtle influence

on the chart of the person.> That is> > > why there will always be

differences between charts, even when> > > identical. And it does render

many particulars impossible,> leaving> > > astrology probabilistic.> >

>> > > Whereas it is not possible to look at the charts of every> > >

townsperson, you can understand the character and philosophies> of the> >

> people, as well as the level of social/technological> development, and> >

> these will form the basis from which you can interpret the> chart. The> >

> identical chart 10 000 years ago will not indicate study of> computer> >

> science, but would indicate study of a science prevalent at that> > >

time, such as construction of yantras, which requires> mathematical> > >

precision. People born in the Satya yuga with the same planetary> > >

combinations will be far more Sattvic in nature than those born> in> > >

the degraded Kali yuga, because the overall vibrations of the> entire> >

> planet are more Tamasic in the Kali yuga.> > >> > > >Look, I am not

saying nothing other than the chart will> influence> > > >the destiny of

the person. My question has to do with how we> are> > > >going to analyze

a chart to see those influences.> > >> > > The level of accuracy you

desire is not possible. Keeping> Parasar's> > > dictum in mind, it is not

possible to judge from the birth chart> > > alone, and at least all other

important people in the person's> life> > > must also be analyzed to get

the most accurate picture. This> can be> > > done approximately by

getting life information verbally from the> > > native to understand their

background and associations.> > >> > > Take an example of two people

born with the exact same charts,> one> > > the son of Bill Gates, the

other the daughter of a beggar.> Astrology> > > aside, using your logic,

how can their two fates be the same?> If the> > > influence of other

charts, the time and place are not taken into> > > consideration, how can

detailed and precise predictions be> made? -> > > Their fates are

different from the start.> > >> > > >In my opinion, sorry - analyzing

the parents' or siblings'> charts> > > >is not an option, it would

complicate the picture further.> Other> > > >list members may or may not

agree with you on this...> > >> > > Do you think jyotish is not

complicated? Should it be a simple> > > mathematical formula? How can this

then be an accurate> representation> > > of the complexity and

variability of life?> > >> > > BPHS 66 11 "The main purposes of this

Jyotish Shastra are to> > > determine the longevity and joys and sorrows of

the people, but> > > because the movements of the planets are so subtle,

even sages> like> > > Vashista and Brihaspati have not been able to be

quite> definite in> > > this respect. Then, how can a common man,

particularly in> Kaliyuga do> > > so."> > >> > > As to why the

charts of other people affect yours Parasar does> not go> > > into this

in BPHS. However Parasar's son Veda Vyasa compiled the> > > Vedas and the

Gita. These can be read for an explanation of> these> > > principles.

These works explain many of the concepts found in> > > Parasar's jyotish

classic. A good starting point is the Bhagavad> > > Gita, as this is very

brief, but discusses several important> > > principles of jyotish.> >

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Namaste,

 

Good point Visti. Indeed I do not know how many thousands of years it

takes for all of the planets to realign themselves to the exact same

points, I have assumed that it is in the thousands of years, rather

than millions or billions. I believe this is correct, but have not

calculated. I am sure this can be done easilt with a program.

 

I bring up the point about the yugas, etc. affecting the chart

because they are mentioned so frequently in the sacred literature,

such as the Srimad Bhagavatam. Of course I have no conception of the

methods to be utilized, but it is interesting nonetheless.

 

regards,

 

Alex J

 

 

 

vedic astrology, "Visti Larsen" <vlarsen@h...> wrote:

> Namaste Alex.

> Your pressuming alot here, yet cover good ground.

> Can you show me two charts that are exactly alike with 1-2 thousand

year

> difference.

>

> I don't use the D-300 because of my own limitations as an

astrologer.

> Yes the progression of the equinox is important.

>

> But we both seem to agree that Astrology is enough.

> Lets just master what we've been taught upto now before venturing

that far.

> Best wishes, Visti.

> -

> Alex J

> vedic astrology

> Saturday, June 30, 2001 6:45 PM

> [vedic astrology] Re: Even D-300 has limitations - Visti

>

>

> Namste Visti,

>

> I agree that we can have a very strong picture of the person's

life

> from the chart, and always have. There are always other factors at

> work however, some very very important, that even the D-300 cannot

> begin to explain.

>

> Even if the D-300 is looked at, it cannot hope to account for the

> differences that are a result of the time period or place of

> residence. For example, where I am from, most people under the

age of

> 20 are familiar with a computer and its uses. A generation ago

this

> was not the case.

>

> I agree that there is an astrology for telling this, but it goes

> beyond the abilities of the used natal chart interpretation

> techniques. An identical chart with the same degrees will be

produced

> every few thousand years. This is not enough.

>

> The effect of the precession of the equinoxes must be considered.

> Eventually even this will complete a full cycle, coming back to

its

> original position. The position in each of the Yugas, Manvataras

and

> eventually the time of the universe in relation to the life of

Brahma

> must also be taken into consideration.

>

> Only then can someone predict blindly about the effects of a

chart,

> without taking into account external knowledge of the effects of

> geography, and the trends of the time period. Imagine a person

flys

> out to Brahma loka for a day, suffers from time dilation there,

and

> comes back to the Earth several billion years later. How to

predict

> then with a chart only up to the D-300?

>

> How can it be said that two charts, even with identical D-300s

will

> have the same fate, over even approach the same levels, when one

> person is born in the Krita yuga, and the other in the Kali yuga?

> Without looking at the charts, I can tell you that the person born

> during the Krita yuga will be more pious and act in a more dharmic

> way. The person in the Kali yuga will naturally be more attached

to

> material manifestations, and in general will be a more selfish

> person.

>

> Regards,

>

> Alex J

>

>

> vedic astrology, "Visti Larsen" <vlarsen@h...> wrote:

> > Namaste.

> > We have enough indicators in the chart to give us a very strong

> picture of

> > the persons life.

> > I indeed believe that we can predict practically everything from

> the chart,

> > all it takes is the devotion to keep on participating in the

search

> for this

> > perfect knowledge.

> >

> > So remove all your doubts, and have complete faith in God and

Guru,

> and one

> > day you yourself will be playing with the D-300.

> >

> > Best wishes, Visti.

> > -

> > Alex J

> > vedic astrology

> > Monday, June 25, 2001 7:37 PM

> > [vedic astrology] Re: parents fate overriding

destiny of

> children

> >

> >

> > Namaste Visti,

> >

> > Yes, I agree with you completely... the wording I choose was

one

> that

> > was unintentionally misleading.

> >

> > The question that I was proposing was whether the chart is the

> > complete reflection of the karma of the individual allotted to

> this

> > life, or whether external factors must be looked at in order

to

> > understand the karma fully.

> >

> > I have no argument against the fact that the karma of the

> individual

> > is his own and simulataneously shared with others. This is

one of

> the

> > first rules of Vedic study. What I meant was that the parent

> > influences the child, despite the chart indications of the

child.

> >

> > regards,

> >

> > Alex J

> >

> > vedic astrology, "Visti Larsen" <vlarsen@h...>

wrote:

> > > Namaste Alex & Arno.

> > >

> > > I must disagree that there is an "Overriding" effect of

Fate of

> the

> > parents

> > > towards the child. Instead its a mutual fate. Parasara gave

the

> > chapter;

> > > Evils at birth, for us to look for the Aristha combinations

that

> > prevail

> > > until the 24th year of birth. Alex is otherwise completely

> right.

> > >

> > > But there is no such thing as overriding fate! The child is

> > destined to die

> > > at the desired age, whether it be attributed to the parents

or

> > others, its

> > > still part of its karma.

> > >

> > > Hence a Pilot cannot override the fate of his passengers,

> because

> > they also

> > > earned these karmic indicators, as does the captain and his

> > passengers.

> > >

> > > They all chose their fate according to the karmas they must

> fulfill.

> > >

> > > Best wishes, Viti.

> > > -

> > > Arno Holzmann

> > > vedic astrology

> > > Monday, June 25, 2001 11:33 AM

> > > [vedic astrology] parents fate overriding

destiny of

> > children

> > >

> > >

> > > Namaste Alex,

> > >

> > > > This passage shows that the fate of others can in

situations

> > override

> > > > the destiny indicated by their own natal charts. This is

> > despite the

> > > > *indications* in the chart of the child, that may be for

> superb

> > > > longevity. At youth the prime association of the child

is

> with

> > the

> > > > parents, hence their ability to adversely affect the

child's

> > destiny.

> > >

> > > Well argued! I like your analysis. Some time ago someone

> wanted

> > to know

> > > whether or not all people who died in a plane crash would

have

> > been

> > > running

> > > maraka periods. Could it be possible that the pilot´s ill

> fate or

> > action

> > > was

> > > overriding that of the ( or at least some) passengers? I

am

> asking

> > > because,

> > > as is evident from your post, there is such a thing as

akala

> > mrityu or

> > > untimely death (I know that there is a Puranic shloka

which

> uses

> > this

> > > term.

> > > It says there that akala mrityu is prevented if one

drinks the

> > water

> > > which

> > > has been offered to Vishnu). A childs destined longevity

can

> be

> > curtailed

> > > due

> > > to the fault or negligence of the parent (e.g. fathers

gets

> drunk

> > and

> > > crashes

> > > the car). Can a pilots fate override the fate of the

> passengers?

> > What do

> > > you

> > > think?

> > >

> > >

> > > regards,

> > >

> > > Anantarupa

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > > >>Likewise the charts of all family members, wife,

friends,

> etc

> > will

> > > > >>affect the destiny of the person. Similarly the past

> > generations of

> > > > >>family, local townsmen, and so on. Even the fate of

the

> > country in

> > > > >>such cases.There are millions of factors externally

> > influencing the

> > > > >>chart of the owners through their own karmas.

> > > >

> > > > >Sure. But are you suggesting I take a quick look at a

> random

> > sample

> > > > >of local townsmen's charts? :)

> > > >

> > > > of course, what are you, lazy?? ;-) What I am saying is

that

> > these

> > > > will all have a subtle influence on the chart of the

person.

> > That is

> > > > why there will always be differences between charts,

even

> when

> > > > identical. And it does render many particulars

impossible,

> > leaving

> > > > astrology probabilistic.

> > > >

> > > > Whereas it is not possible to look at the charts of

every

> > > > townsperson, you can understand the character and

> philosophies

> > of the

> > > > people, as well as the level of social/technological

> > development, and

> > > > these will form the basis from which you can interpret

the

> > chart. The

> > > > identical chart 10 000 years ago will not indicate

study of

> > computer

> > > > science, but would indicate study of a science

prevalent at

> that

> > > > time, such as construction of yantras, which requires

> > mathematical

> > > > precision. People born in the Satya yuga with the same

> planetary

> > > > combinations will be far more Sattvic in nature than

those

> born

> > in

> > > > the degraded Kali yuga, because the overall vibrations

of

> the

> > entire

> > > > planet are more Tamasic in the Kali yuga.

> > > >

> > > > >Look, I am not saying nothing other than the chart will

> > influence

> > > > >the destiny of the person. My question has to do with

how

> we

> > are

> > > > >going to analyze a chart to see those influences.

> > > >

> > > > The level of accuracy you desire is not possible.

Keeping

> > Parasar's

> > > > dictum in mind, it is not possible to judge from the

birth

> chart

> > > > alone, and at least all other important people in the

> person's

> > life

> > > > must also be analyzed to get the most accurate picture.

This

> > can be

> > > > done approximately by getting life information verbally

> from the

> > > > native to understand their background and associations.

> > > >

> > > > Take an example of two people born with the exact same

> charts,

> > one

> > > > the son of Bill Gates, the other the daughter of a

beggar.

> > Astrology

> > > > aside, using your logic, how can their two fates be the

> same?

> > If the

> > > > influence of other charts, the time and place are not

taken

> into

> > > > consideration, how can detailed and precise predictions

be

> > made? -

> > > > Their fates are different from the start.

> > > >

> > > > >In my opinion, sorry - analyzing the parents' or

siblings'

> > charts

> > > > >is not an option, it would complicate the picture

further.

> > Other

> > > > >list members may or may not agree with you on this...

> > > >

> > > > Do you think jyotish is not complicated? Should it be a

> simple

> > > > mathematical formula? How can this then be an accurate

> > representation

> > > > of the complexity and variability of life?

> > > >

> > > > BPHS 66 11 "The main purposes of this Jyotish Shastra

are

> to

> > > > determine the longevity and joys and sorrows of the

people,

> but

> > > > because the movements of the planets are so subtle,

even

> sages

> > like

> > > > Vashista and Brihaspati have not been able to be quite

> > definite in

> > > > this respect. Then, how can a common man, particularly

in

> > Kaliyuga do

> > > > so."

> > > >

> > > > As to why the charts of other people affect yours

Parasar

> does

> > not go

> > > > into this in BPHS. However Parasar's son Veda Vyasa

> compiled the

> > > > Vedas and the Gita. These can be read for an

explanation of

> > these

> > > > principles. These works explain many of the concepts

found

> in

> > > > Parasar's jyotish classic. A good starting point is the

> Bhagavad

> > > > Gita, as this is very brief, but discusses several

important

> > > > principles of jyotish.

> > > >

> > > > All the best,

> > > >

> > > > Alex J

> > > >

> > > >

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