Strength Rules in Mool Dasa

[Guest guest]

Dear Gurus & friends

 

I was going thru Mool dasa applications in the archives, & noted all the

basic rules & clarifications made by Mr Rath himself, after a lot of

confusion in the earlier part of the archives till he revealed his Rules &

cleared up many confusions. Even after undertaking this complete

due-diligence, there were a few points where there seems to be some

discrepancies/ places which I cd not understand wrt comparing strength of

planets & signs to decide dasa sequences.

 

First I am providing what we learnt as culled BOTH from the Narayan Dasa &

Mool Dasa archives as well as from their applications, in VAIP, Jaimini

Sutras and the archives: (I am purposely distinguishing b/w rules for

comparing strengths of planets vs that for signs as will be evident below

for my queries):

 

a) Comparing strength of Planets: used for 2 purposes in Mool dasa: i)

strongest Ref Lagna between Lg/ Mn/ Sn to initiate the WHOLE process (as in

Sadam's eg, aspect of Jp, etc used, ie for the purpose of Ref Lg, Planetary

str comparison rules used, not Sign comparison rules) & ii) order of dasas

of planets occupying SAME sign where a sign has more than 1 planet. And the

Rules are:

 

i) conjoined (cnj) more no of planets, ii) cnj/ sign-aspected (aspd) by

more out of Jp/ Mc/ lord, iii) status of planet (exaltn, etc), iv)

occupying sign of more natural strength (dual>fixed>movbl), v) From VAIP:

A: for lordship purposes: more advanced in degrees, B: for dasa initiation

purposes: yielding more no of yrs.

 

Obviously, for the 2nd purpose, ie order for planets in same sign, the

order would be: i) cjn/ asp by lord, ii) status, then iii) adv degrees or

yielding more yrs. For Ra vs Ke, should obviously be i, & then yielding

more years.

 

b) Comparing strength of Signs: used in deciding order of signs within a

category whether kendra/ panaparas/ apoklim, in Mool Dasa: : i) no of

occupants, ii) status of occupants, iii) natural strength of sign, iv) lord

is more advanced in deg, v) lord in sign with different oddity

 

Now the queries:

 

1. In the Gary Gomes eg, to decide between Sn, Mc (exalted) & St, all in

Vi, we finally used advancement in degrees to decide b/w Sn & St (instead

of using the one yielding more dasa years). Similarly, in Sadam's eg (2nd

out of 2 Sadam-Mool egs), out of Mc & Ke in Ta, we used advancement, not

yielding more years.

 

2. In the Shri Ram eg (ie the one by Pt Rath, not the one by Mr N Rao), to

decide b/w Ra (in Sg) & Ke (in Ge), again after exhausting other rules,

INCLUDING mentioning that the advancement rule obviously cant apply (but I

thought, anyway thats for lordship only), the rule of yielding more dasa

years is NOT used. Instead, Pt Rath has then used rules to compare the

strengths of their respective lords & mentioned he was doing so

specifically (ie not comparing strength of signs occupied by Ra & Ke when

exhausting planet strength rules b/w Ra & Ke). However here too, he has

first used & eliminated the oddity rule, ie lord in different oddity (which

truly belong to strength of signs rule), & only then, gone back to strength

of planet rules (but mentioned status of lord, ie exalted Jp, rather than

the prior rule, ie Jp is cnj more planets than Mc), to decide on Jp & hence

on Ra vs Ke.

 

3. In the S Pawar eg, to compare b/w Ra (Vi) & Ke (Pi), after exhaustion of

planet comparison rules b/w Ra & Ke (again ignoring "yielding more

yrs"!!!), we used oddity rule. That is, we used a sign comparison rule,

ignoring the supposed next step given by Pt Rath to compare the lords next,

in whichcase we would have the full run again of the planet strength rules

of Jp vs Mc). And even in sign comparison rule, we jumped immediately to

oddity.

 

So basic questions:

 

1. Why was yielding mroe years ignored,

2. Why was advancement of planet used at all instead,

3. After exhausting one run, of strength of planets comparison, should we

go to comparison of signs occupied by them or to compare the strengths of

their dispositors

4. Any specialties in the strength of planet/ sign rules for Mool Dasa

specifically

 

Regards

 

Nandan

[Guest guest]

Namaste Nandan,

 

I wish I could give you clear guidelines, but I cannot. The reason is

not just the secrecy involved in this topic, but my own lack of

knowledge. I know very little about Moola dasa and I cannot add

further clarity. For phalita Jyotish, I mainly use Vimsottari dasa,

Kalachakra dasa, Patyayini dasa (in Tajaka charts), Sudasa and

various flavours of Narayana dasa. I am not a Moola dasa expert. I

will be misleading you if I try to give definitive answers with my

level of experience in Moola dasa.

 

Just a couple of points:

 

(1) Varahamihira, PrithuYasas and Kalyana Verma all talked

prominently about Moola dasa and gave it utmost importance. Clearly,

this dasa was very popular in India around 500 AD.

 

(2) All the three authors taught to take the strongest of lagna, Moon

and Sun to initiate dasas. Pt. Sanjay Rath omits Sun. My gut feeling

is that so many authors cannot be wrong. But that could be wrong.

 

(3) Even in Narayana dasa, the strength rules I taught in my book are

not complete. Most traditional people try to hide sensitive knowledge

and intentionally try to confuse even when they reveal. Sensitive

knowledge is not supposed to be spoonfed and it is hinted only to the

most deserving students.

 

After trying to bring some clarity, I don't like ending on a note of

arbitrariness. But that's life - that's the way Jyotish has been

taught through ages. I cannot break it.

 

So, when it comes to strength rules in both Narayana dasa and Moola

dasa, keep an open mind, experiment, try to find a good guru, and,

above all, meditate. Based on experience, I can tell you one thing -

getting superficial knowledge and memorizing formulas and procedures

is easy, but a good insight and feel for astrological principles can

come only through meditation.

 

I am confident that some parts of astrology will be elevated to the

status of statistical sciences in future, but some sensitive

knowledge will always be kept within small circles...

 

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha