Guest guest Posted September 2, 2001 Report Share Posted September 2, 2001 Hello Narasimha U remember in this astrological forum u had suggested one native to read hanuman chalisa for 40 days 11 times a day.I thank u for ur prediction and remedy .He tried this and it is going well he gained lot of confidence. I am giving this to all because every body can gain from this method. bye bye tc nemo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2001 Report Share Posted September 8, 2001 dear narasimha, namaskar.thanks for your reply.please consider my arguments. 1.How to decide something is rishi proktam and something is not, especially in a subject like jyothisham, where you can explain a certain event from so many angles and arrive at equally good results.For example,the bhrigu sutram quoted by you might be one of the interpolations as well.Please dont tell me that experience proves it,because only yesterday i saw a horescope of leo lagna with jupiter in 5th.The native is 40 years old and NEITHER married NOR having any children as on date.you may want to see the whole horoscope to refute me saying that 7 th lord or bhava is bad etc,.but my point is proved by this horoscope,if charts stand as proof to rules,that too picked up ones as per one's choice. 2.The divisional chart is only subsidiary to rasi chart, and never a substitute to it.Neither it can totally alter the result shown in the rasi chart to the extent of marring the whole prospect of any bhava. 3.I can equally show any number of charts to prove my point, but you can reject my point showing equally good reasons,so nothing is proved finally.This is like fighting for nothing's sake. 4.I WOULD like to point out that this divisional charts business is itself controversial,in the sense,when there is no agreement on the ayanamsa question,and given that all the birth times need correction this way or that,your divisional charts cannot be safe, because a slight variation in birth time can drastically affect the amsa charts like D-60 or the nadi amsa. can i hope for any answer? sarma __________ Send a newsletter, share photos & files, conduct polls, organize chat events. Visit http://in/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2001 Report Share Posted September 8, 2001 Dear Sarma, Zai Ganesh. It is perfectly possible in cetain situations and we shouldn't generalise based on one combination. However, it is easier tosay when we can apply this rule and how? I got an anolgy of a particular native with no maraka or planets aspecting marakas not coming any where after 40 years. The native finally passed away in 11th Lord Das and 1st Lord Antardasa. Many an astrologer has seen the horoscope and couldn't predict or reason it until after the event. Coming back to the Jupiter issue, By any chance, Is jupiter beyond 25 degrees and is in 6th house in Bhava with a bit of support from Navamsa as well. Your observation could be true if the 7th lord doesn't allow marriage in the first instance. After all you can't harvest until unless the Kshetram is available and a seedling planted. In my view, this gets aggravated, particularly, if Ketu is aspecting the 5th house as well. Last but not the least, What about the Dasa? Rather than looking at which approach is right, my view is to look at alternate directions as you never get a probablity of 1 in any approach. If so, we wouldn't be on this list because we will be advising the world leaders in all fields then. Hope this will lead you into another direction of analysis. Good Luck and God Bless you. Sarma Karra >"r.sathyanarayana sharma" <rssharmabza >vedic astrology >vedic astrology >Re: [vedic astrology] Re: dear narasimha >Sat, 8 Sep 2001 17:24:59 +0100 (BST) > > dear narasimha, >namaskar.thanks for your reply.please consider my >arguments. >1.How to decide something is rishi proktam and >something is not, especially in a subject like >jyothisham, where you can explain a certain event from >so many angles and arrive at equally good results.For >example,the bhrigu sutram quoted by you might be one >of the interpolations as well.Please dont tell me that >experience proves it,because only yesterday i saw a >horescope of leo lagna with jupiter in 5th.The native >is 40 years old and NEITHER married NOR having any >children as on date.you may want to see the whole >horoscope to refute me saying that 7 th lord or bhava >is bad etc,.but my point is proved by this >horoscope,if charts stand as proof to rules,that too >picked up ones as per one's choice. >2.The divisional chart is only subsidiary to rasi >chart, and never a substitute to it.Neither it can >totally alter the result shown in the rasi chart to >the extent of marring the whole prospect of any bhava. >3.I can equally show any number of charts to prove my >point, but you can reject my point showing equally >good reasons,so nothing is proved finally.This is like >fighting for nothing's sake. >4.I WOULD like to point out that this divisional >charts business is itself controversial,in the >sense,when there is no agreement on the ayanamsa >question,and given that all the birth times need >correction this way or that,your divisional charts >cannot be safe, because a slight variation in birth >time can drastically affect the amsa charts like D-60 >or the nadi amsa. >can i hope for any answer? >sarma > >__________ > >Send a newsletter, share photos & files, conduct polls, organize chat >events. Visit http://in/ _______________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2001 Report Share Posted September 9, 2001 Namaste Sri Sarma, > dear narasimha, > namaskar.thanks for your reply.please consider my > arguments. > 1.How to decide something is rishi proktam and > something is not, especially in a subject like > jyothisham, where you can explain a certain event from > so many angles and arrive at equally good results.For > example,the bhrigu sutram quoted by you might be one > of the interpolations as well.Please dont tell me that > experience proves it,because only yesterday i saw a When Jay Weiss gave a ocunter-example to your rule (about Jupiter in 5th destroying 5th), you frowned upon "so called astrologers" for rejecting theories attributed to rishis. I see that you yourself are now giving a justification for not accepting everything attributed to rishis. Yes, some teachings *attributed* to rishis may just be "interpolations". Though you are willing to question teachings of Sage Bhrigu (Jupiter in 5th being good) and Sage Parasara (divisions), you seem to want us to accept without questioning your Jupiter rule. Hmm. After all, I asked you to clarify which "rishi" (Sage) taught that Jupiter in 5th destroys 5th. You haven't addressed that yet! Kindly do, as that will help. > horescope of leo lagna with jupiter in 5th.The native > is 40 years old and NEITHER married NOR having any > children as on date.you may want to see the whole May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2001 Report Share Posted September 12, 2001 Namaskaar sri narasimha, Sage Bhrigu is our founding father,as i belong to his leneage, the srivatsa gotram,so how can i denounce him,my great great great grandfather or for that matter sage parashara, since every day we pay respect to the guru leneage which contains him as well.what i want to point out is the flaw in the argument,how to decide at this point of time what is rishi proktam?ok leave this and coming to the main point.. Before coming to the authenticity of karako bhavanashaka rule,i want to quote from ancient works,for example 1.ubhayam bhoomijo hanti sahajashto vinischayaat(mars in 3rd destroys elder and younger brothers)BPHS ch 15 verse 15. 2.saptame tu sthithe sukre ateevakaamee bhavennaraha(venus in 7th makes the native over sexual)..BPHS 3.asateerathaha mritakalathramaadyam vade(if venus in 7th he likes to enjoy the wives of others,and causes death to his wife)...Phaladeepika 4.kriyaalasathanu krisathanu(sun in 1st makes native easily fatigued by slight work,with enmaciated,sickly body)..Phaladeepika 5.coming to our main point of controversy...putraihi kleshayutoh(his sons cause troubles to him,or they are faced with obstacles) when jupiter is in 5th..Phaladeepika.Now why should jupiter cause troubles to sons or sons should cause troubles to father in the above combination,if not for karaka rule? All the above combinations given in the ancient works testify to this rule,ofcourse as i said earlier, only some karakatwas suffer not all. 6.I have also quoted a chart position recently read by me with jupiter in 5th, with no children and no marriage till today, she is 43 now not 40 as typed erroneously. 7.I have no business to frown upon anyone,least upon our rishis.On the other hand,do you endorse innumerable bhrigu samhitas in the north as all written by the original bhrigu rishi? Or the different editions of BPHS available now with different slokas and also chapters as authentic? all of them?Divisional charts cannot be relied upon because,1.ayanamsa is not correctly decided 2.rate of precession is not linear and 3.time of every birth needs correction.where did i denounce sage parashara in this?.i only say when the basic data is wrong,how can you rely on divisional charts? 8.Iam not in favour of anything but the TRUTH.If iam proved wrong i will surely change my opinion,but never before. by the way if you argue that mantreswara is not a rishi, i cant help. thanks and namaskaar. sarma., --- pvr wrote: > Namaste Sri Sarma, > > > dear narasimha, > > namaskar.thanks for your reply.please consider my > > arguments. > > 1.How to decide something is rishi proktam and > > something is not, especially in a subject like > > jyothisham, where you can explain a certain event > from > > so many angles and arrive at equally good > results.For > > example,the bhrigu sutram quoted by you might be > one > > of the interpolations as well.Please dont tell me > that > > experience proves it,because only yesterday i saw > a > > When Jay Weiss gave a ocunter-example to your rule > (about Jupiter in > 5th destroying 5th), you frowned upon "so called > astrologers" for > rejecting theories attributed to rishis. I see that > you yourself are > now giving a justification for not accepting > everything attributed to > rishis. Yes, some teachings *attributed* to rishis > may just > be "interpolations". > > Though you are willing to question teachings of Sage > Bhrigu (Jupiter > in 5th being good) and Sage Parasara (divisions), > you seem to want us > to accept without questioning your Jupiter rule. > Hmm. > > After all, I asked you to clarify which "rishi" > (Sage) taught that > Jupiter in 5th destroys 5th. You haven't addressed > that yet! Kindly > do, as that will help. > > > horescope of leo lagna with jupiter in 5th.The > native > > is 40 years old and NEITHER married NOR having any > > children as on date.you may want to see the whole > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > Narasimha > > > __________ Send a newsletter, share photos & files, conduct polls, organize chat events. Visit http://in/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2001 Report Share Posted September 12, 2001 Namaste Sri Sarma, > by the way if you argue that mantreswara is not a > rishi, i cant help. > thanks and namaskaar. > sarma., Of course, it is natural to argue that Mantreswara was in all likelihood not a "rishi". He was a great scholar. You have shown references from Parasara for Venus and Mars, but not for Jupiter. How do you know that Mantreswara simply did not extrapolate from them? Moreover, "Bhrigu Sutram" attributed to Sage Bhrigu clearly contradits Mantreswara regarding Jupiter in 5th. So, unless you quote a rishi (e.g. Bhrigu, Parasara, Jaimini, Garga etc) saying that Jupiter in 5th destroys 5th, I am justified in questioning it. May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2001 Report Share Posted September 13, 2001 Om Gurave Namah--------------------------Dear satyanarayana, It is so nice to read that you worship the lineage of Brighu Maharishi. So also, I have to worship my lineage of Atri Maharishi. The points you have given are nice but need some further clarification. POINT 1: ubhayam bhoomijo hanti sahajashto vinischayaat(mars in 3rd destroys elder and younger brothers)BPHS ch 15 verse 15. Commentary: Mars is a natural malefic planet and its placement in the third house is detrimental for the health of younger co-born just as its placement in the 11th is detrimental for elder co-born. Jaimini adds that if Rahu and saturn are associated with this third then all co-born shall die. If Saturn alone is in third/eleventh then the death of younger/elder respectively shall occur at a later age i.e. after some time. Illustration: For a person with Dhanus Lagna with Saturn, Mercury, Sun and Venus in 11th house in Libra and Mars in Capricorn and with Arudha Lagna in Leo, all his younger brothers died together in a car accident. He was in tears when I mentioned about danger to younger co-borns during the period..he had just lost them. Conclusion: Karaka Bhava Nasa may work with malefic planets. POINT 2: (a) saptame tu sthithe sukre ateevakaamee bhavennaraha(venus in 7th makes the native over sexual)..BPHS; (b) asateerathaha mritakalathramaadyam vade(if venus in 7th he likes to enjoy the wives of others,and causes death to his wife)...Phaladeepika Commentary: The placement of Venus as Karaka of the seventh house (Kaama) does not result in the destruction of sexual desire but increases it manifold. This may cause death to wife if he gets infected with sexually transmitted disease, but if his wife is also adequately matched for his sexual gratification, then this maynot result. Illustration: Gemini lagna person with venus alone in seventh had many relationships outside marriage. Osho who also had this Venus in seventh was somehow always associated with Sex and religion (No offence meant to anyone please). Conclusion: Karaka Bhava Nasa does not work with natural benefics (just like Parasara had mentioned.) POINT 3: kriyaalasathanu krisathanu(sun in 1st makes native easily fatigued by slight work,with enmaciated,sickly body).. Phaladeepika Conclusion: I am not giving comments etc; Karaka Bhava Nasa may work with malefic planets. POINT 4: coming to our main point of controversy...putraihi kleshayutoh(his sons cause troubles to him,or they are faced with obstacles) when jupiter is in 5th..Phaladeepika.Now why should jupiter cause troubles to sons or sons should cause troubles to father in the above combination,if not for karaka rule? Reply: Suffering is a part of life and it is a part of nature that the good have to suffer the actions of the evil ones. We have read of so many instances in our sacred literature where evil ones like Kamsa or Ravana etc. Ravana had no business to trouble Bhagavan rama, least of all kidnap His wife, yet he did it. Thus, the house where jupiter is placed shows the place from where goodness and Godliness will be seen. If Jupiter is in fifth, the children can be famous and powerful provided that the Moon and fifth Lord are also well disposed. Thus, this can cause a lot of suffering for the children and from this suffering they shall evolve and shine as the great gifts of God on this planet. Illustration: To explain my point, let us take two cases of the same Lagna and exalted Jupiter in the fifth house. Case (1) Motilal Nehru Pisces Lagna; who was born with Jupiter in exaltation is the fifth house had one famous son Jawaharlal Nehru who suffered for many years during the freedom struggle and finally became the PM of India. His lineage has florished for 3 generations after him due to this exalted Jupiter as all of his son/grand daughter and great grandson became the prime Ministers of india. Case (2) Rabindra Nath Tagore had exalted Jupiter in the fifth house for Pisces lagna. He had a daughter and a son both of whom died around 1903 much before he got the nobel prize also. Conclusion: Jupiter cannot be blamed for the death of children. The correct picture emerges only in the Saptamsa chakra. With these words, I urge you to study hard and understand the secrets of the divisional charts. Do not accept what is going around in the market easily without fully trying it out. You will also appreciate what I had earlier written about one planet, two planet and more planet yoga's.Best WishesSanjay Rath - r.sathyanarayana sharma <rssharmabza > <vedic astrology> Wednesday, September 12, 2001 10:33 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: dear narasimha > > > > > > > Namaskaar sri narasimha,> > Sage Bhrigu is our founding father,as i belong to his> leneage, the srivatsa gotram,so how can i denounce> him,my great great great grandfather or for that> matter sage parashara, since every day we pay respect> to the guru leneage which contains him as well.what i> want to point out is the flaw in the argument,how to> decide at this point of time what is rishi proktam?ok> leave this and coming to the main point..> > Before coming to the authenticity of karako> bhavanashaka rule,i want to quote from ancient> works,for example> 2.> 3.> 4.> 5.> > All the above combinations given in the ancient works> testify to this rule,ofcourse as i said earlier, only> some karakatwas suffer not all.> 6.I have also quoted a chart position recently read by> me with jupiter in 5th, with no children and no> marriage till today, she is 43 now not 40 as typed> erroneously.> 7.I have no business to frown upon anyone,least upon> our rishis.On the other hand,do you endorse> innumerable bhrigu samhitas in the north as all> written by the original bhrigu rishi? Or the different> editions of BPHS available now with different slokas> and also chapters as authentic? all of them?Divisional> charts cannot be relied upon because,1.ayanamsa is not> correctly decided 2.rate of precession is not linear> and 3.time of every birth needs correction.where did i> denounce sage parashara in this?.i only say when the> basic data is wrong,how can you rely on divisional> charts?> 8.Iam not in favour of anything but the TRUTH.If iam> proved wrong i will surely change my opinion,but never> before.> by the way if you argue that mantreswara is not a> rishi, i cant help.> thanks and namaskaar.> sarma.,> > --- pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net wrote: > Namaste Sri Sarma,> > > > > dear narasimha,> > > namaskar.thanks for your reply.please consider my> > > arguments.> > > 1.How to decide something is rishi proktam and> > > something is not, especially in a subject like> > > jyothisham, where you can explain a certain event> > from> > > so many angles and arrive at equally good> > results.For> > > example,the bhrigu sutram quoted by you might be> > one> > > of the interpolations as well.Please dont tell me> > that> > > experience proves it,because only yesterday i saw> > a> > > > When Jay Weiss gave a ocunter-example to your rule> > (about Jupiter in > > 5th destroying 5th), you frowned upon "so called> > astrologers" for > > rejecting theories attributed to rishis. I see that> > you yourself are > > now giving a justification for not accepting> > everything attributed to > > rishis. Yes, some teachings *attributed* to rishis> > may just > > be "interpolations".> > > > Though you are willing to question teachings of Sage> > Bhrigu (Jupiter > > in 5th being good) and Sage Parasara (divisions),> > you seem to want us > > to accept without questioning your Jupiter rule.> > Hmm.> > > > After all, I asked you to clarify which "rishi"> > (Sage) taught that > > Jupiter in 5th destroys 5th. You haven't addressed> > that yet! Kindly > > do, as that will help.> > > > > horescope of leo lagna with jupiter in 5th.The> > native> > > is 40 years old and NEITHER married NOR having any> > > children as on date.you may want to see the whole> > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,> > Narasimha> > > > > > > > __________> > Send a newsletter, share photos & files, conduct polls, organize chat events. 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Guest guest Posted September 14, 2001 Report Share Posted September 14, 2001 Pranams to sri sanjay rathji, Thanks a lot for your masterly answer to the problem discussed.I KNOW well that karaka rule works only with natural malefics right from the begining, but I WAS searching for one soul who can correctly clarify this,with practical examples.All these days i heard about you, but now i could see your analytical ability,supported by practical examples.You are from the leneage of Bhagawan Dattatreya and a pranam to you is equal to a pranam to him.Iam satisfied with your answer and i would like to discontinue this discussion hereafter.And thank you for your advise.I have just completed my M.A(jyothisham)from Telugu University,Hyderabad and wish to do Ph.D taking some difficult subject for my further research.Can you please suggest an area? seeking your blessings. satyanarayana sarma. --- Sanjay Rath <srath wrote: > > Om Gurave Namah > -------------------------- > Dear satyanarayana, > It is so nice to read that you worship the lineage > of Brighu Maharishi. So also, I have to worship my > lineage of Atri Maharishi. The points you have given > are nice but need some further clarification. > > POINT 1: ubhayam bhoomijo hanti sahajashto > vinischayaat(mars in 3rd destroys elder and younger > brothers)BPHS ch 15 verse 15. > > Commentary: Mars is a natural malefic planet and its > placement in the third house is detrimental for the > health of younger co-born just as its placement in > the 11th is detrimental for elder co-born. Jaimini > adds that if Rahu and saturn are associated with > this third then all co-born shall die. If Saturn > alone is in third/eleventh then the death of > younger/elder respectively shall occur at a later > age i.e. after some time. > > Illustration: For a person with Dhanus Lagna with > Saturn, Mercury, Sun and Venus in 11th house in > Libra and Mars in Capricorn and with Arudha Lagna in > Leo, all his younger brothers died together in a car > accident. He was in tears when I mentioned about > danger to younger co-borns during the period..he had > just lost them. > > Conclusion: Karaka Bhava Nasa may work with malefic > planets. > > POINT 2: (a) saptame tu sthithe sukre ateevakaamee > bhavennaraha(venus in 7th makes the native over > sexual)..BPHS; (b) asateerathaha > mritakalathramaadyam vade(if venus in 7th he likes > to enjoy the wives of others,and causes death to his > wife)...Phaladeepika > > Commentary: The placement of Venus as Karaka of the > seventh house (Kaama) does not result in the > destruction of sexual desire but increases it > manifold. This may cause death to wife if he gets > infected with sexually transmitted disease, but if > his wife is also adequately matched for his sexual > gratification, then this maynot result. > > Illustration: Gemini lagna person with venus alone > in seventh had many relationships outside marriage. > Osho who also had this Venus in seventh was somehow > always associated with Sex and religion (No offence > meant to anyone please). > > Conclusion: Karaka Bhava Nasa does not work with > natural benefics (just like Parasara had mentioned.) > > POINT 3: kriyaalasathanu krisathanu(sun in 1st makes > native easily fatigued by slight work,with > enmaciated,sickly body).. Phaladeepika > > Conclusion: I am not giving comments etc; Karaka > Bhava Nasa may work with malefic planets. > > POINT 4: coming to our main point of > controversy...putraihi kleshayutoh(his sons cause > troubles to him,or they are faced with obstacles) > when jupiter is in 5th..Phaladeepika.Now why should > jupiter cause troubles to sons or sons should cause > troubles to father in the above combination,if not > for karaka rule? > > Reply: Suffering is a part of life and it is a part > of nature that the good have to suffer the actions > of the evil ones. We have read of so many instances > in our sacred literature where evil ones like Kamsa > or Ravana etc. Ravana had no business to trouble > Bhagavan rama, least of all kidnap His wife, yet he > did it. Thus, the house where jupiter is placed > shows the place from where goodness and Godliness > will be seen. If Jupiter is in fifth, the children > can be famous and powerful provided that the Moon > and fifth Lord are also well disposed. Thus, this > can cause a lot of suffering for the children and > from this suffering they shall evolve and shine as > the great gifts of God on this planet. > > Illustration: To explain my point, let us take two > cases of the same Lagna and exalted Jupiter in the > fifth house. Case (1) Motilal Nehru Pisces Lagna; > who was born with Jupiter in exaltation is the fifth > house had one famous son Jawaharlal Nehru who > suffered for many years during the freedom struggle > and finally became the PM of India. His lineage has > florished for 3 generations after him due to this > exalted Jupiter as all of his son/grand daughter and > great grandson became the prime Ministers of india. > Case (2) Rabindra Nath Tagore had exalted Jupiter in > the fifth house for Pisces lagna. He had a daughter > and a son both of whom died around 1903 much before > he got the nobel prize also. > > Conclusion: Jupiter cannot be blamed for the death > of children. The correct picture emerges only in the > Saptamsa chakra. > > With these words, I urge you to study hard and > understand the secrets of the divisional charts. Do > not accept what is going around in the market easily > without fully trying it out. You will also > appreciate what I had earlier written about one > planet, two planet and more planet yoga's. > Best Wishes > Sanjay Rath > - > r.sathyanarayana sharma > <rssharmabza > <vedic astrology> > Wednesday, September 12, 2001 10:33 PM > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: dear narasimha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaskaar sri narasimha, > > > > Sage Bhrigu is our founding father,as i belong to > his > > leneage, the srivatsa gotram,so how can i denounce > > him,my great great great grandfather or for that > > matter sage parashara, since every day we pay > respect > > to the guru leneage which contains him as > well.what i > > want to point out is the flaw in the argument,how > to > > decide at this point of time what is rishi > proktam?ok > > leave this and coming to the main point.. > > > > Before coming to the authenticity of karako > > bhavanashaka rule,i want to quote from ancient > > works,for example > > > 2. > > 3. > > 4. > > 5. > > > All the above combinations given in the ancient > works > > testify to this rule,ofcourse as i said earlier, > only > > some karakatwas suffer not all. > > 6.I have also quoted a chart position recently > read by > > me with jupiter in 5th, with no children and no > > marriage till today, she is 43 now not 40 as typed > > erroneously. > > 7.I have no business to frown upon anyone,least > upon > > our rishis.On the other hand,do you endorse > > innumerable bhrigu samhitas in the north as all > > written by the original bhrigu rishi? Or the > different > > editions of BPHS available now with different > slokas > > and also chapters as authentic? all of > them?Divisional > > charts cannot be relied upon because,1.ayanamsa is > not > > correctly decided 2.rate of precession is not > linear > > and 3.time of every birth needs correction.where > did i > > denounce sage parashara in this?.i only say when > the > > basic data is wrong,how can you rely on divisional > > charts? > > 8.Iam not in favour of anything but the TRUTH.If > iam > > proved wrong i will surely change my opinion,but > never > > before. > > by the way if you argue that mantreswara is not a > > rishi, i cant help. > > thanks and namaskaar. > > sarma., > > > > --- pvr wrote: > Namaste Sri Sarma, > > > > > > > dear narasimha, > > > > namaskar.thanks for your reply.please consider > my > > > > arguments. > > > > 1.How to decide something is rishi proktam and > > > > something is not, especially in a subject like > === message truncated === __________ Send a newsletter, share photos & files, conduct polls, organize chat events. 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Guest guest Posted September 14, 2001 Report Share Posted September 14, 2001 Om Gurave Namah -------------------------- Dear Satya (Can I call you satya), Show me your chart. I hope the Ph.D will also be in Jyotish. There are some areas requiring a deep inquisition and people like you are needed to work seriously on this. Good to see your desire for studies in Jyotish. May you be blessed with the Amrita of OM TAT SAT Sanjay Rath - r.sathyanarayana sharma <rssharmabza <vedic astrology> Friday, September 14, 2001 10:01 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: dear narasimha > Pranams to sri sanjay rathji, > Thanks a lot for your masterly answer to the problem > discussed.I KNOW well that karaka rule works only with > natural malefics right from the begining, but I WAS > searching for one soul who can correctly clarify > this,with practical examples.All these days i heard > about you, but now i could see your analytical > ability,supported by practical examples.You are from > the leneage of Bhagawan Dattatreya and a pranam to you > is equal to a pranam to him.Iam satisfied with your > answer and i would like to discontinue this discussion > hereafter.And thank you for your advise.I have just > completed my M.A(jyothisham)from Telugu > University,Hyderabad and wish to do Ph.D taking some > difficult subject for my further research.Can you > please suggest an area? > seeking your blessings. > satyanarayana sarma. > --- Sanjay Rath <srath wrote: > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > -------------------------- > > Dear satyanarayana, > > It is so nice to read that you worship the lineage > > of Brighu Maharishi. So also, I have to worship my > > lineage of Atri Maharishi. The points you have given > > are nice but need some further clarification. > > > > POINT 1: ubhayam bhoomijo hanti sahajashto > > vinischayaat(mars in 3rd destroys elder and younger > > brothers)BPHS ch 15 verse 15. > > > > Commentary: Mars is a natural malefic planet and its > > placement in the third house is detrimental for the > > health of younger co-born just as its placement in > > the 11th is detrimental for elder co-born. Jaimini > > adds that if Rahu and saturn are associated with > > this third then all co-born shall die. If Saturn > > alone is in third/eleventh then the death of > > younger/elder respectively shall occur at a later > > age i.e. after some time. > > > > Illustration: For a person with Dhanus Lagna with > > Saturn, Mercury, Sun and Venus in 11th house in > > Libra and Mars in Capricorn and with Arudha Lagna in > > Leo, all his younger brothers died together in a car > > accident. He was in tears when I mentioned about > > danger to younger co-borns during the period..he had > > just lost them. > > > > Conclusion: Karaka Bhava Nasa may work with malefic > > planets. > > > > POINT 2: (a) saptame tu sthithe sukre ateevakaamee > > bhavennaraha(venus in 7th makes the native over > > sexual)..BPHS; (b) asateerathaha > > mritakalathramaadyam vade(if venus in 7th he likes > > to enjoy the wives of others,and causes death to his > > wife)...Phaladeepika > > > > Commentary: The placement of Venus as Karaka of the > > seventh house (Kaama) does not result in the > > destruction of sexual desire but increases it > > manifold. This may cause death to wife if he gets > > infected with sexually transmitted disease, but if > > his wife is also adequately matched for his sexual > > gratification, then this maynot result. > > > > Illustration: Gemini lagna person with venus alone > > in seventh had many relationships outside marriage. > > Osho who also had this Venus in seventh was somehow > > always associated with Sex and religion (No offence > > meant to anyone please). > > > > Conclusion: Karaka Bhava Nasa does not work with > > natural benefics (just like Parasara had mentioned.) > > > > POINT 3: kriyaalasathanu krisathanu(sun in 1st makes > > native easily fatigued by slight work,with > > enmaciated,sickly body).. Phaladeepika > > > > Conclusion: I am not giving comments etc; Karaka > > Bhava Nasa may work with malefic planets. > > > > POINT 4: coming to our main point of > > controversy...putraihi kleshayutoh(his sons cause > > troubles to him,or they are faced with obstacles) > > when jupiter is in 5th..Phaladeepika.Now why should > > jupiter cause troubles to sons or sons should cause > > troubles to father in the above combination,if not > > for karaka rule? > > > > Reply: Suffering is a part of life and it is a part > > of nature that the good have to suffer the actions > > of the evil ones. We have read of so many instances > > in our sacred literature where evil ones like Kamsa > > or Ravana etc. Ravana had no business to trouble > > Bhagavan rama, least of all kidnap His wife, yet he > > did it. Thus, the house where jupiter is placed > > shows the place from where goodness and Godliness > > will be seen. If Jupiter is in fifth, the children > > can be famous and powerful provided that the Moon > > and fifth Lord are also well disposed. Thus, this > > can cause a lot of suffering for the children and > > from this suffering they shall evolve and shine as > > the great gifts of God on this planet. > > > > Illustration: To explain my point, let us take two > > cases of the same Lagna and exalted Jupiter in the > > fifth house. Case (1) Motilal Nehru Pisces Lagna; > > who was born with Jupiter in exaltation is the fifth > > house had one famous son Jawaharlal Nehru who > > suffered for many years during the freedom struggle > > and finally became the PM of India. His lineage has > > florished for 3 generations after him due to this > > exalted Jupiter as all of his son/grand daughter and > > great grandson became the prime Ministers of india. > > Case (2) Rabindra Nath Tagore had exalted Jupiter in > > the fifth house for Pisces lagna. He had a daughter > > and a son both of whom died around 1903 much before > > he got the nobel prize also. > > > > Conclusion: Jupiter cannot be blamed for the death > > of children. The correct picture emerges only in the > > Saptamsa chakra. > > > > With these words, I urge you to study hard and > > understand the secrets of the divisional charts. Do > > not accept what is going around in the market easily > > without fully trying it out. You will also > > appreciate what I had earlier written about one > > planet, two planet and more planet yoga's. > > Best Wishes > > Sanjay Rath > > - > > r.sathyanarayana sharma > > <rssharmabza > > <vedic astrology> > > Wednesday, September 12, 2001 10:33 PM > > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: dear narasimha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaskaar sri narasimha, > > > > > > Sage Bhrigu is our founding father,as i belong to > > his > > > leneage, the srivatsa gotram,so how can i denounce > > > him,my great great great grandfather or for that > > > matter sage parashara, since every day we pay > > respect > > > to the guru leneage which contains him as > > well.what i > > > want to point out is the flaw in the argument,how > > to > > > decide at this point of time what is rishi > > proktam?ok > > > leave this and coming to the main point.. > > > > > > Before coming to the authenticity of karako > > > bhavanashaka rule,i want to quote from ancient > > > works,for example > > > > > 2. > > > 3. > > > 4. > > > 5. > > > > All the above combinations given in the ancient > > works > > > testify to this rule,ofcourse as i said earlier, > > only > > > some karakatwas suffer not all. > > > 6.I have also quoted a chart position recently > > read by > > > me with jupiter in 5th, with no children and no > > > marriage till today, she is 43 now not 40 as typed > > > erroneously. > > > 7.I have no business to frown upon anyone,least > > upon > > > our rishis.On the other hand,do you endorse > > > innumerable bhrigu samhitas in the north as all > > > written by the original bhrigu rishi? Or the > > different > > > editions of BPHS available now with different > > slokas > > > and also chapters as authentic? all of > > them?Divisional > > > charts cannot be relied upon because,1.ayanamsa is > > not > > > correctly decided 2.rate of precession is not > > linear > > > and 3.time of every birth needs correction.where > > did i > > > denounce sage parashara in this?.i only say when > > the > > > basic data is wrong,how can you rely on divisional > > > charts? > > > 8.Iam not in favour of anything but the TRUTH.If > > iam > > > proved wrong i will surely change my opinion,but > > never > > > before. > > > by the way if you argue that mantreswara is not a > > > rishi, i cant help. > > > thanks and namaskaar. > > > sarma., > > > > > > --- pvr wrote: > Namaste Sri Sarma, > > > > > > > > > dear narasimha, > > > > > namaskar.thanks for your reply.please consider > > my > > > > > arguments. > > > > > 1.How to decide something is rishi proktam and > > > > > something is not, especially in a subject like > > > === message truncated === > > __________ > > Send a newsletter, share photos & files, conduct polls, organize chat events. 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