Guest guest Posted September 3, 2001 Report Share Posted September 3, 2001 Don't have time to pull up all these charts - but suggest this position generally brings: depresson, poor treatment from mother, car home, heart and college problems, career ups and down but may have excellent real estate skills. For what it's worth doug riemer vedic astrology, cjjohans@c... wrote: > With the recent talk about quadrants, what do the > lives of these have in common? (They all happen to > have Saturn in the 4th quadrant, I have two more > cases but the birth time is not as certain for one > and another might give it away to some.) > > Fri Jan 5, 1945 21:40 (9pm) -5 GMT 71W00 42N00 > Tue Nov 9, 1954 9:09 (9am) -5 GMT 74W00 40N42 > Sun Jul 17, 1960 20:50 (8pm) -6 GMT 90W80 42N50 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2001 Report Share Posted September 4, 2001 Yes you are right. Here are their descriptions: American depressed male who still lives with his widowed foster-mom. He has a job as a messenger for a printing company. The job is unrewarding, his social life is stinted, no love life, life is boring and he has been in group therapy for five years suffering with bouts of depression. American depressed male with an accounting degree but settled for a menial job. Suffers with excessive fear, seldom joined in sports or social activities, may be sexually crippled, severely depressed by 1978 and his family fears he may be suicidal. American depressed male who spent a few years at a clinic with additional outside therapy and eventually just gave up. Suffering with depression, he is currently running a small craft-supply shop with a partner, no social life and marriage is out of the question as he has no control over his life. The more famous one was H.C. Andersen, the Danish author. Apr 2, 1805, 1:00 (1am) +0.42 GMT 10E23 55N24 vedic astrology, vedic@k... wrote: > Don't have time to pull up all these charts - but suggest this > position generally brings: depresson, poor treatment from mother, car > home, heart and college problems, career ups and down but may have > excellent real estate skills. > > For what it's worth > > doug riemer > > > vedic astrology, cjjohans@c... wrote: > > With the recent talk about quadrants, what do the > > lives of these have in common? (They all happen to > > have Saturn in the 4th quadrant, I have two more > > cases but the birth time is not as certain for one > > and another might give it away to some.) > > > > Fri Jan 5, 1945 21:40 (9pm) -5 GMT 71W00 42N00 > > Tue Nov 9, 1954 9:09 (9am) -5 GMT 74W00 40N42 > > Sun Jul 17, 1960 20:50 (8pm) -6 GMT 90W80 42N50 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2001 Report Share Posted September 4, 2001 Thanks for the compliment/concurance. Just doing the basics with care really pays off. Tell Nimmi. Also, I have yet to see a person with a 4th house Saturn, regardless of how well Saturn is otherwise disposed, and regardless of other dispositions - where the mother doesn't treat the person horribly one way or the other. Of course, the mother suffers equally as well. vedic astrology, cjjohans@c... wrote: > Yes you are right. Here are their descriptions: > > American depressed male who still lives with his widowed foster- mom. > He has a job as a messenger for a printing company. The job is > unrewarding, his social life is stinted, no love life, life is boring > and he has been in group therapy for five years suffering with bouts > of depression. > > American depressed male with an accounting degree but settled for a > menial job. Suffers with excessive fear, seldom joined in sports or > social activities, may be sexually crippled, severely depressed by > 1978 and his family fears he may be suicidal. > > American depressed male who spent a few years at a clinic with > additional outside therapy and eventually just gave up. Suffering > with depression, he is currently running a small craft-supply shop > with a partner, no social life and marriage is out of the question as > he has no control over his life. > > The more famous one was H.C. Andersen, the Danish author. > Apr 2, 1805, 1:00 (1am) +0.42 GMT 10E23 55N24 > > vedic astrology, vedic@k... wrote: > > Don't have time to pull up all these charts - but suggest this > > position generally brings: depresson, poor treatment from mother, > car > > home, heart and college problems, career ups and down but may have > > excellent real estate skills. > > > > For what it's worth > > > > doug riemer > > > > > > vedic astrology, cjjohans@c... wrote: > > > With the recent talk about quadrants, what do the > > > lives of these have in common? (They all happen to > > > have Saturn in the 4th quadrant, I have two more > > > cases but the birth time is not as certain for one > > > and another might give it away to some.) > > > > > > Fri Jan 5, 1945 21:40 (9pm) -5 GMT 71W00 42N00 > > > Tue Nov 9, 1954 9:09 (9am) -5 GMT 74W00 40N42 > > > Sun Jul 17, 1960 20:50 (8pm) -6 GMT 90W80 42N50 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2001 Report Share Posted September 4, 2001 Dear Cjjohans and other list members, >>>Also, I have yet to see a person with a 4th house Saturn, regardless of how well Saturn is otherwise disposed, and regardless of other dispositions - where the mother doesn't treat the person horribly one way or the other. Of course, the mother suffers equally as well. I find this view interesting. Is it really this simple that this Saturn in 4th indicates that the mother doesn't treat the person well, and even horribly as stated here? Out of four children, I have my last child, born with Saturn in the 4th in Scorpio with the Leo Lagna Rasi. I have looked at this often over the last two years after my beginning to study Jyotish. I know Madonna's chart popped up as a similar chart to my son's when I first ran it in GJ, the sillier fun page that one can print out with the program, and as a beginner two years ago I originally did print it out. Sure enough she too has Saturn in the 4th. At the time I didn't really know what it meant other than in her case her mother died while she was very young. I did ask a very good astrologer about this in my son's chart, wanting to find out if there was/is something I could be doing without knowing it that is harming my son. He also said that it showed something, not sure of course what, but some kind of restriction or influence. I was thinking, well I was a bit older (35, nearly 36) when I had this child... could it be in reference to that. The other thing is at certain times my other three children's lives have often taken up a lot of attention and time. So perhaps less time than he would have received without the other children's situations, lives, and all going on. But this isn't different than any other family with a number of children. And my own situation has improved very much just before this child's birth, so in some ways he was able to have much more time. This child did home school for quite a few years, so there is that perspective too. Also, my youngest brother's chart has Saturn in the 4th. I would have to say that he is probably the closest and very dear to my mother. Hmmmmmm... What other things are you looking at to qualify and verify this statement above? From my own experience in my son's life and my brother's life I'd have to say this isn't enough to make that judgment accurately. Are you verifying through the Navamsa or something else? Using Chaturtamsha or Saptamsha Varga? How much are you considering the Moon in Rasi chart as a karaka of mother as well? How else can we look to verify this perspective regarding mother? This thread on here brings me more curiosity on this view. Namaste, Patrice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2001 Report Share Posted September 5, 2001 Dear Parice and others, I am just making a comment. I don't doubt your scholarship. I have Saturn (also Moon and Mars) in my 4th house, Taurus. I am often asked, based on my chart, if I had conflict with my mother or with my daughter. The simple answer is no! I asked my daughter (an only child, age 20) to confirm this and her only comment was "Well you did over-mother me a little.... " I hope this helps. Love, Gili You can't transcend what you haven't experienced ---- Begin Original Message ---- "Patrice Curry" <patrice.curry Tue, 4 Sep 2001 23:02:14 -0400 <vedic astrology> Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Challenge Dear Cjjohans and other list members, >>>Also, I have yet to see a person with a 4th house Saturn, regardless of how well Saturn is otherwise disposed, and regardless of other dispositions - where the mother doesn't treat the person horribly one way or the other. Of course, the mother suffers equally as well. I find this view interesting. Is it really this simple that this Saturn in 4th indicates that the mother doesn't treat the person well, and even horribly as stated here? Out of four children, I have my last child, born with Saturn in the 4th in Scorpio with the Leo Lagna Rasi. I have looked at this often over the last two years after my beginning to study Jyotish. I know Madonna's chart popped up as a similar chart to my son's when I first ran it in GJ, the sillier fun page that one can print out with the program, and as a beginner two years ago I originally did print it out. Sure enough she too has Saturn in the 4th. At the time I didn't really know what it meant other than in her case her mother died while she was very young. I did ask a very good astrologer about this in my son's chart, wanting to find out if there was/is something I could be doing without knowing it that is harming my son. He also said that it showed something, not sure of course what, but some kind of restriction or influence. I was thinking, well I was a bit older (35, nearly 36) when I had this child... could it be in reference to that. The other thing is at certain times my other three children's lives have often taken up a lot of attention and time. So perhaps less time than he would have received without the other children's situations, lives, and all going on. But this isn't different than any other family with a number of children. And my own situation has improved very much just before this child's birth, so in some ways he was able to have much more time. This child did home school for quite a few years, so there is that perspective too. Also, my youngest brother's chart has Saturn in the 4th. I would have to say that he is probably the closest and very dear to my mother. Hmmmmmm... What other things are you looking at to qualify and verify this statement above? From my own experience in my son's life and my brother's life I'd have to say this isn't enough to make that judgment accurately. Are you verifying through the Navamsa or something else? Using Chaturtamsha or Saptamsha Varga? How much are you considering the Moon in Rasi chart as a karaka of mother as well? How else can we look to verify this perspective regarding mother? This thread on here brings me more curiosity on this view. Namaste, Patrice ------------------------ Sponsor ---------------------~- -> FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click./47cccB/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/.8XolB/TM --- ~-> || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || Your use of is subject to ---- End Original Message ---- http://www.care2.com - Get your Free e-mail account that helps save Wildlife! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2001 Report Share Posted September 5, 2001 Dear Gili and List, Namaste. >>>I am just making a comment. I don't doubt your scholarship. I have Saturn (also Moon and Mars) in my 4th house, Taurus. I am often asked, based on my chart, if I had conflict with my mother or with my daughter. The simple answer is no! I asked my daughter (an only child, age 20) to confirm this and her only comment was "Well you did over-mother me a little.... " I hope this helps. Thank you Gili, for your words here. Re-reading my post, it sounded as written a bit harshly. I have full appreciation for all those sharing on this list, and great thanks for their efforts in helping me to learn Jyotish as well as appreciation for all their views. As my son's chart shows this Saturn in 4th, and it is almost always referred to as relationship with mother, I'm always naturally interested in any further understanding of how to clarify this. I humbly accept with all gratitude the great words of our great teachers and classic writings. And I'm sure this is reflecting some kind of 'restriction' or something with this. I always begin to wonder if this necessarily 'always' means mother as well as all the other karakas associated with the 4th house. Such as my son has been home schooled. He has lived in a house which we are always in construction on since he was quite young. He's now 15 yesterday, and has lived here in this construction for 8 years. He has shown some kind of problem when it comes to testing. A wonderful and talented astrologer told me this is due to his age and at this time his more intuitive, artistic mind than a true problem with learning or testing. On the other hand, I am older than when having my other three children. And as I said in the earlier post, circumstances at times put my attention onto other children, one child in particular did require a lot of consistent energy, resources and time for a couple years. Thank you so much for your thoughts shared here, Gili. It definitely does help to hear others experiences regarding this and as so often I see words similar to those shared by Doug's post (which I originally thought were from cjjohans), which seem to be a quite harsh reality for the native with regard to mother. And this is not my experience with my son or brother. I'm really looking for any suggestions on how we would go about verifying this. I'm assuming it would be by the Moon as well, in Rasi and also using Navamsa and Saptamsha with regard to the 4th house and again with Moon. Would a Chandra Lagna be of any help here in this respect regarding mother??? I ran a search in GJ for Saturn in 4th house in the charts that the come with his program, including famous, and those I have entered. It turned up in 281 charts, including Elvis Presley, which was interesting with all the media press on his closeness to his mother and their relationship. In his chart Saturn is in 4th Aquarius with Moon. All best regards, Patrice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2001 Report Share Posted September 5, 2001 BTW I thought the first chart had saturn in the 11th house - I thought this to mean that saturn was between the 10th and 1st houses. But the discussion seems to assume it is in the 4th? Nimmi - "Patrice Curry" <patrice.curry <vedic astrology> Wednesday, September 05, 2001 4:02 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Challenge > > Dear Cjjohans and other list members, > > >>>Also, I have yet to see a person with a 4th house Saturn, regardless > of how well Saturn is otherwise disposed, and regardless of other > dispositions - where the mother doesn't treat the person horribly one > way or the other. Of course, the mother suffers equally as well. > > I find this view interesting. Is it really this simple that this Saturn in > 4th indicates that the mother doesn't treat the person well, and even > horribly as stated here? > > Out of four children, I have my last child, born with Saturn in the 4th in > Scorpio with the Leo Lagna Rasi. I have looked at this often over the last > two years after my beginning to study Jyotish. I know Madonna's chart popped > up as a similar chart to my son's when I first ran it in GJ, the sillier fun > page that one can print out with the program, and as a beginner two years > ago I originally did print it out. Sure enough she too has Saturn in the > 4th. At the time I didn't really know what it meant other than in her case > her mother died while she was very young. > > I did ask a very good astrologer about this in my son's chart, wanting to > find out if there was/is something I could be doing without knowing it that > is harming my son. He also said that it showed something, not sure of course > what, but some kind of restriction or influence. > > I was thinking, well I was a bit older (35, nearly 36) when I had this > child... could it be in reference to that. The other thing is at certain > times my other three children's lives have often taken up a lot of attention > and time. So perhaps less time than he would have received without the other > children's situations, lives, and all going on. But this isn't different > than any other family with a number of children. And my own situation has > improved very much just before this child's birth, so in some ways he was > able to have much more time. > > This child did home school for quite a few years, so there is that > perspective too. > > Also, my youngest brother's chart has Saturn in the 4th. I would have to say > that he is probably the closest and very dear to my mother. Hmmmmmm... > > What other things are you looking at to qualify and verify this statement > above? From my own experience in my son's life and my brother's life I'd > have to say this isn't enough to make that judgment accurately. Are you > verifying through the Navamsa or something else? Using Chaturtamsha or > Saptamsha Varga? How much are you considering the Moon in Rasi chart as a > karaka of mother as well? How else can we look to verify this perspective > regarding mother? > > This thread on here brings me more curiosity on this view. > > Namaste, > Patrice > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2001 Report Share Posted September 5, 2001 It could just mean that the mother is somewhat older than usual! - "Patrice Curry" <patrice.curry <vedic astrology> Wednesday, September 05, 2001 4:02 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Challenge > > Dear Cjjohans and other list members, > > >>>Also, I have yet to see a person with a 4th house Saturn, regardless > of how well Saturn is otherwise disposed, and regardless of other > dispositions - where the mother doesn't treat the person horribly one > way or the other. Of course, the mother suffers equally as well. > > I find this view interesting. Is it really this simple that this Saturn in > 4th indicates that the mother doesn't treat the person well, and even > horribly as stated here? > > Out of four children, I have my last child, born with Saturn in the 4th in > Scorpio with the Leo Lagna Rasi. I have looked at this often over the last > two years after my beginning to study Jyotish. I know Madonna's chart popped > up as a similar chart to my son's when I first ran it in GJ, the sillier fun > page that one can print out with the program, and as a beginner two years > ago I originally did print it out. Sure enough she too has Saturn in the > 4th. At the time I didn't really know what it meant other than in her case > her mother died while she was very young. > > I did ask a very good astrologer about this in my son's chart, wanting to > find out if there was/is something I could be doing without knowing it that > is harming my son. He also said that it showed something, not sure of course > what, but some kind of restriction or influence. > > I was thinking, well I was a bit older (35, nearly 36) when I had this > child... could it be in reference to that. The other thing is at certain > times my other three children's lives have often taken up a lot of attention > and time. So perhaps less time than he would have received without the other > children's situations, lives, and all going on. But this isn't different > than any other family with a number of children. And my own situation has > improved very much just before this child's birth, so in some ways he was > able to have much more time. > > This child did home school for quite a few years, so there is that > perspective too. > > Also, my youngest brother's chart has Saturn in the 4th. I would have to say > that he is probably the closest and very dear to my mother. Hmmmmmm... > > What other things are you looking at to qualify and verify this statement > above? From my own experience in my son's life and my brother's life I'd > have to say this isn't enough to make that judgment accurately. Are you > verifying through the Navamsa or something else? Using Chaturtamsha or > Saptamsha Varga? How much are you considering the Moon in Rasi chart as a > karaka of mother as well? How else can we look to verify this perspective > regarding mother? > > This thread on here brings me more curiosity on this view. > > Namaste, > Patrice > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2001 Report Share Posted September 5, 2001 I have been reading the results with some interest as I cast the first chart and realised that saturn was in the 4th quadrant - i.e. between the 10th and 1st houses. Yet the predictions based on saturn in the 4th house have been generally correct. - <vedic <vedic astrology> Wednesday, September 05, 2001 3:18 AM [vedic astrology] Re: Challenge > > Thanks for the compliment/concurance. > > Just doing the basics with care really pays off. Tell Nimmi. > > Also, I have yet to see a person with a 4th house Saturn, regardless > of how well Saturn is otherwise disposed, and regardless of other > dispositions - where the mother doesn't treat the person horribly one > way or the other. Of course, the mother suffers equally as well. > > > > vedic astrology, cjjohans@c... wrote: > > Yes you are right. Here are their descriptions: > > > > American depressed male who still lives with his widowed foster- > mom. > > He has a job as a messenger for a printing company. The job is > > unrewarding, his social life is stinted, no love life, life is > boring > > and he has been in group therapy for five years suffering with > bouts > > of depression. > > > > American depressed male with an accounting degree but settled for a > > menial job. Suffers with excessive fear, seldom joined in sports > or > > social activities, may be sexually crippled, severely depressed by > > 1978 and his family fears he may be suicidal. > > > > American depressed male who spent a few years at a clinic with > > additional outside therapy and eventually just gave up. Suffering > > with depression, he is currently running a small craft-supply shop > > with a partner, no social life and marriage is out of the question > as > > he has no control over his life. > > > > The more famous one was H.C. Andersen, the Danish author. > > Apr 2, 1805, 1:00 (1am) +0.42 GMT 10E23 55N24 > > > > vedic astrology, vedic@k... wrote: > > > Don't have time to pull up all these charts - but suggest this > > > position generally brings: depresson, poor treatment from mother, > > car > > > home, heart and college problems, career ups and down but may > have > > > excellent real estate skills. > > > > > > For what it's worth > > > > > > doug riemer > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, cjjohans@c... wrote: > > > > With the recent talk about quadrants, what do the > > > > lives of these have in common? (They all happen to > > > > have Saturn in the 4th quadrant, I have two more > > > > cases but the birth time is not as certain for one > > > > and another might give it away to some.) > > > > > > > > Fri Jan 5, 1945 21:40 (9pm) -5 GMT 71W00 42N00 > > > > Tue Nov 9, 1954 9:09 (9am) -5 GMT 74W00 40N42 > > > > Sun Jul 17, 1960 20:50 (8pm) -6 GMT 90W80 42N50 > > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2001 Report Share Posted September 5, 2001 All I can say is Saturn in the 4th plays out badly for the child in treatment by the mother one way or the other, sometime during the Dasas and transits. This doesn't mean the mother does anything intentional, however. To see if this is mitigated, look at other influences upon the 4th, the 4th ruler and the karakas for the mother, which are both the Moon and Mercury. doug vedic astrology, "Patrice Curry" <patrice.curry@h...> wrote: > Dear Cjjohans and other list members, > > >>>Also, I have yet to see a person with a 4th house Saturn, regardless > of how well Saturn is otherwise disposed, and regardless of other > dispositions - where the mother doesn't treat the person horribly one > way or the other. Of course, the mother suffers equally as well. > > I find this view interesting. Is it really this simple that this Saturn in > 4th indicates that the mother doesn't treat the person well, and even > horribly as stated here? > > Out of four children, I have my last child, born with Saturn in the 4th in > Scorpio with the Leo Lagna Rasi. I have looked at this often over the last > two years after my beginning to study Jyotish. I know Madonna's chart popped > up as a similar chart to my son's when I first ran it in GJ, the sillier fun > page that one can print out with the program, and as a beginner two years > ago I originally did print it out. Sure enough she too has Saturn in the > 4th. At the time I didn't really know what it meant other than in her case > her mother died while she was very young. > > I did ask a very good astrologer about this in my son's chart, wanting to > find out if there was/is something I could be doing without knowing it that > is harming my son. He also said that it showed something, not sure of course > what, but some kind of restriction or influence. > > I was thinking, well I was a bit older (35, nearly 36) when I had this > child... could it be in reference to that. The other thing is at certain > times my other three children's lives have often taken up a lot of attention > and time. So perhaps less time than he would have received without the other > children's situations, lives, and all going on. But this isn't different > than any other family with a number of children. And my own situation has > improved very much just before this child's birth, so in some ways he was > able to have much more time. > > This child did home school for quite a few years, so there is that > perspective too. > > Also, my youngest brother's chart has Saturn in the 4th. I would have to say > that he is probably the closest and very dear to my mother. Hmmmmmm... > > What other things are you looking at to qualify and verify this statement > above? From my own experience in my son's life and my brother's life I'd > have to say this isn't enough to make that judgment accurately. Are you > verifying through the Navamsa or something else? Using Chaturtamsha or > Saptamsha Varga? How much are you considering the Moon in Rasi chart as a > karaka of mother as well? How else can we look to verify this perspective > regarding mother? > > This thread on here brings me more curiosity on this view. > > Namaste, > Patrice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2001 Report Share Posted September 6, 2001 I did not interpret the response as referring to the 4th house. But if it did, obviously there was some misunderstanding. I was personally expecting someone would find some other thing which explained the similarity, since obviously quadrant placement has traditionally no significance that I know of (except maybe in some obscure and extinct Babylonian four house system). Now that the answer is known, it's of course easier to dig up some details supporting the similarity. vedic astrology, "Nimmi Ragavan" <106350.3660@c...> wrote: > I have been reading the results with some interest as I cast the first chart > and realised that saturn was in the 4th quadrant - i.e. between the 10th and > 1st houses. Yet the predictions based on saturn in the 4th house have been > generally correct. > > > - > <vedic@k...> > <vedic astrology> > Wednesday, September 05, 2001 3:18 AM > [vedic astrology] Re: Challenge > > > > > > Thanks for the compliment/concurance. > > > > Just doing the basics with care really pays off. Tell Nimmi. > > > > Also, I have yet to see a person with a 4th house Saturn, regardless > > of how well Saturn is otherwise disposed, and regardless of other > > dispositions - where the mother doesn't treat the person horribly one > > way or the other. Of course, the mother suffers equally as well. > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, cjjohans@c... wrote: > > > Yes you are right. Here are their descriptions: > > > > > > American depressed male who still lives with his widowed foster- > > mom. > > > He has a job as a messenger for a printing company. The job is > > > unrewarding, his social life is stinted, no love life, life is > > boring > > > and he has been in group therapy for five years suffering with > > bouts > > > of depression. > > > > > > American depressed male with an accounting degree but settled for a > > > menial job. Suffers with excessive fear, seldom joined in sports > > or > > > social activities, may be sexually crippled, severely depressed by > > > 1978 and his family fears he may be suicidal. > > > > > > American depressed male who spent a few years at a clinic with > > > additional outside therapy and eventually just gave up. Suffering > > > with depression, he is currently running a small craft-supply shop > > > with a partner, no social life and marriage is out of the question > > as > > > he has no control over his life. > > > > > > The more famous one was H.C. Andersen, the Danish author. > > > Apr 2, 1805, 1:00 (1am) +0.42 GMT 10E23 55N24 > > > > > > vedic astrology, vedic@k... wrote: > > > > Don't have time to pull up all these charts - but suggest this > > > > position generally brings: depresson, poor treatment from mother, > > > car > > > > home, heart and college problems, career ups and down but may > > have > > > > excellent real estate skills. > > > > > > > > For what it's worth > > > > > > > > doug riemer > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, cjjohans@c... wrote: > > > > > With the recent talk about quadrants, what do the > > > > > lives of these have in common? (They all happen to > > > > > have Saturn in the 4th quadrant, I have two more > > > > > cases but the birth time is not as certain for one > > > > > and another might give it away to some.) > > > > > > > > > > Fri Jan 5, 1945 21:40 (9pm) -5 GMT 71W00 42N00 > > > > > Tue Nov 9, 1954 9:09 (9am) -5 GMT 74W00 40N42 > > > > > Sun Jul 17, 1960 20:50 (8pm) -6 GMT 90W80 42N50 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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