BPHS and Paryaaya

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Dear Lucas,

 

> Dear Shiv, Narasimha and others,

>

> First, big thanks for your encouragements.

> I am doing this translation with great pleasure and am happy that members

of

> this list appreciate it.

> I read about the mistakes emphasized by Mr Chadha and, as I see that

you're

> OK if I mention your source on my web site, I'll modify my translation

> according to your article.

> I am surprised that PD Hora was explained in BPHS!

 

Actually, my advice would be to leave it as taught by Santhanam and others.

I read Shiv Chadha's article. I am afraid it is a misrepresentation of

Parasara's teaching.

 

Though Parasara said "meshaadi taasaam horaanaam parivritti dwayam bhavet",

he also made it very clear that Sun and Moon are the lords of these horas.

Shiv Chadha's interpretation ignored this most important factor (Moon and

Sun) and got distracted by the expression "parivritti dwayam".

 

Why don't you look at the next stanzas under dreshkana (D-3) and find a

parallel? Those stanzas teach that we take 1st, 5th and 9th (swa pancha

navamaanaam) from a rasi for the 3 parts. But stanza 7 (of chapter 6

(Santhanam) or 7 (GC Sharma)) also says "parivritti trayam teshaam meshaadeh

kramaso bhavet". This is exactly like the line found in the hora stanza!

Now, are you going to replace the standard 1st/5th/9th D-3 with Parivritti

Traya Drekkana (tricyclical D-3)?

 

Parasara obviously didn't mean that we repeat the 12 signs three times in

the zodiacal order. He only meant that we start from Aries and go around the

zodiac and, after finding 3 signs corresponding to each sign, we end up

going across the zodiac 3 times. He did NOT mean we go across the zodiac 3

times in the *regular* order (i.e. he did not say that the 3 parts of Ar are

Ar, Ta, Ge, the 3 parts of Ta are Cn, Le, Vi and so on). This is obvious

because he taught the 1st/5th/9th rule. You have to mix that trine rule with

"parivritti traya" (going around three times).

 

Then the same logic holds for hora too!! We have to find a mapping of rasis

in such a way that we go across the zodiac twice. This mapping is, however,

not necessarily regular (Ar, Ta for Ar; Ge, Cn for Ta and so on), because

that does not accommodate the Moon-Sun rule!

 

Clearly, Cancer-and-Leo-only chart is not what Parasara intended. However,

you are better off teaching THAT than what Shiv Chadha taught.

 

I know that I also taught the same version taught by Shiv Chadha a couple of

years ago on this list. But I never said it was the hora chart taught by

Parasara. It's not. It does not show money. It shows family matters.

 

I cannot say anything more on Parasara's hora chart. Please don't ask any

further questions.

 

> And for verse 16 of chapter 8, you're right that this verse seems a bit

> "weird" to understand.

 

Not only that verse, but several verses in that chapter were

poorly/inadequately interpreted by authors. Some verses at the end of the

previous chapter were also poorly handled.

 

However, don't worry.

 

Build something first. You can perfect it later!

 

> I must say that one quality of a web version of BPHS is that it can be

> corrected easily.

 

Exactly!

 

> Second, I thank Narasimha for his explanation and explicit examples of

> Paryaaya dasa.

> I hope the whole list wil benefit positively from that.

> I suppose that the rules for strengths of houses are the same as in

Narayana

> dasa, as I see that years are counted as in Narayana dasa.

> I suppose also that antadasas are calculated the same way as in Narayana

> dasa?

 

Yes.

 

> Now I can better understand the several times where this dasa was

mentioned.

>

> Concerning Varnada dasa, you mentioned there was a controversy.

> If I look at the explanations in BPHS and in an article by Gauranga das,

> there are differences.

 

Actually, the controversy I referred to is different. Some people use rasi

numbers in additions and subtractions involved in the definition of Varnada

Lagna and some people use the exact longitudes. Based on BPHS verses, I

think the former is more logical. But you never know....

 

> Maybe these differences are due to a wrong translation made by one of the

> two?

> In BPHS, the final step in finding varnada lagna (chap 6 verse 13-16) is

> seeing if the number obtained is odd or even, and then you count

> respectively from Aries or Pisces.

> Whereas in the Gauranga Version (in brihaspati.net, article entitled

> "special ascendants"), if the LAGNA is odd you count from Aries, and

> reversely for even signs.

 

Well, BPHS does not make that clear. It only says "if the two numbers have

the same oddity, add them.. Else, find the difference. Now count those many

signs from Aries or Pisces". Aries or Pisces based on what criterion? It's

not clear.

 

The BPHS translation you have is basically saying this: You look at the

final sum/difference number and decide based on it. If it is odd, you count

from Ar and you count from Pi if it is even. But, look at this: If you count

only an odd number of rasis from Aries or only an even number of rasis from

Pisces, then Varnada lagna will always be in an odd sign! I cannot think

that there would be such a restriction. So I should say that Gauranga's

interpretation that you decide whether to count zodiacally from Aries or

anti-zodiacally from Pisces based on the oddity of lagna (and NOT the oddity

of the final sum/difference number) is quite logical. Clearly, the other

approach of deciding based on the final number is illogical. You canno rule

out half the zodiac for a special lagna.

 

> Second thing that is not clear : the counting of years.

> In BPHS, the translation doesn't explain if we count years clockwise or

> counter-clockwise.

 

I'll skip Varnada dasa for now. Some other time...

 

> Can we also use paryaaya dasa for every ennemies?

 

Yes, that was what I was taught. But I use it only for medical diagnosis of

health problems.

 

> Lucas

 

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

 

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