Travel and settlement in foreign lands(reply from partvinu)

September 20, 2001

dear jay

the questuion of travelling from one country to

another depends on the following factors

a) the factors which i had already mentioned

b) the other important factor is d-60 chart, here if

the person is born in the brahmanamsa sorry if the

spelling is wrong. what the subdivision implies is

that the pnative will constantly be travelling.

c) also Maha dasa changes , major antara and

paryantaradas changes make the native to travel.

d) the position of moon in 10th also makes the native

to shift from one place to another palce.

thanks

V.Partha sarathy

--- JW <jayhw wrote:

> Based on many charts that I have for such

> individuals and out of my own personal experience I

> agree with you.

>

> However when it comes to emigration you'll find most

> people go through it once.

> My question: how does one recognize a multiple

> emigration i.e. where a person is moving to one

> country, living and working there for let's say

> 10-15 years and then moves to a third country for

> 10-15 years and maybe even to a forth one (never

> back to it's place of birth) ?

>

> Kind regards

>

> Jay Weiss

>

> -

> <partvinu5

> <vedic astrology>

> Thursday, September 20, 2001 1:33 PM

> [vedic astrology] Travel and settlement in

> foreign lands

>

> > In my humble opinion, the main factors which are

> considered to be

> > important for foreign travel and settlement are as

> follows

> >

> > a) 9th lord , his placement in chara rasis

> > b) placement of rahu in 12th house and chara

> rasis.

> > c) placement of 7th lord of distant travels in

> chara rasis and

> > especially in bhagya and labaha sthanas.

> > d) placement of 4th lord in 12th , 12th lord in

> 12th is a good

> > indicator for foreign travel.

> > e) the role of 8th house should also be considered

> as it is a hidden

> > house nad also 12th form 9th house of foreign

> travel.

> >

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September 21, 2001

vedic astrology, partha sarathy <partvinu5> wrote:

> dear jay

> the questuion of travelling from one country to

> another depends on the following factors

> a) the factors which i had already mentioned

> b) the other important factor is d-60 chart, here if

> the person is born in the brahmanamsa sorry if the

> spelling is wrong. what the subdivision implies is

> that the pnative will constantly be travelling.

> c) also Maha dasa changes , major antara and

> paryantaradas changes make the native to travel.

> d) the position of moon in 10th also makes the native

> to shift from one place to another palce.

Dear Partha sarathy,

What is the impact of Debilitated MOON in 10th House, hence Scorpio.

But Moon is 9th lord from Scorpio. 9th lord in Chandra Lagna.. I am

bit confused abt dealing 10th house, scorpio, debilitated Moon

Can you enlighten me

Regards, Venkat

>

> thanks

> V.Partha sarathy

>

> --- JW <jayhw@t...> wrote:

> > Based on many charts that I have for such

> > individuals and out of my own personal experience I

> > agree with you.

> >

> > However when it comes to emigration you'll find most

> > people go through it once.

> > My question: how does one recognize a multiple

> > emigration i.e. where a person is moving to one

> > country, living and working there for let's say

> > 10-15 years and then moves to a third country for

> > 10-15 years and maybe even to a forth one (never

> > back to it's place of birth) ?

> >

> > Kind regards

> >

> > Jay Weiss

> >

> > -

> > <partvinu5>

> > <vedic astrology>

> > Thursday, September 20, 2001 1:33 PM

> > [vedic astrology] Travel and settlement in

> > foreign lands

> >

> > > In my humble opinion, the main factors which are

> > considered to be

> > > important for foreign travel and settlement are as

> > follows

> > >

> > > a) 9th lord , his placement in chara rasis

> > > b) placement of rahu in 12th house and chara

> > rasis.

> > > c) placement of 7th lord of distant travels in

> > chara rasis and

> > > especially in bhagya and labaha sthanas.

> > > d) placement of 4th lord in 12th , 12th lord in

> > 12th is a good

> > > indicator for foreign travel.

> > > e) the role of 8th house should also be considered

> > as it is a hidden

> > > house nad also 12th form 9th house of foreign

> > travel.

> > >

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> > be sent to

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September 21, 2001

dear venkat sir

Let me clear your confusion.

Though moon is the 9th lord from chandra lagna. you

had not mentioned other important factors which i had

spelt out clearly for foreign travel. what is the dasa

running. I beg What are the positions of lagnadhipati,

rajyadhipati, vyayadhipati from lagna. so many

questions have to be answered before we can come to a

firm conclusion. Moon in 10th alone does not imply

foreign travel. that too scorpio is a sthira rasi.

Regards

V.Partha Sarathy

--- venkateshwara_reddy wrote:

> vedic astrology, partha sarathy

> <partvinu5> wrote:

> > dear jay

> > the question of travelling from one country to

> > another depends on the following factors

> > a) the factors which i had already mentioned

> > b) the other important factor is d-60 chart, here

> if

> > the person is born in the brahmanamsa sorry if the

> > spelling is wrong. what the subdivision implies is

> > that the native will constantly be travelling.

> > c) also Maha dasa changes , major antara and

> > paryantaradas changes make the native to travel.

> > d) the position of moon in 10th also makes the

> native

> > to shift from one place to another palce.

>

> Dear Partha sarathy,

> What is the impact of Debilitated MOON in 10th

> House, hence Scorpio.

> But Moon is 9th lord from Scorpio. 9th lord in

> Chandra Lagna.. I am

> bit confused abt dealing 10th house, scorpio,

> debilitated Moon

>

> Can you enlighten me

>

> Regards, Venkat

>

> >

> > thanks

> > V.Partha sarathy

> >

> > --- JW <jayhw@t...> wrote:

> > > Based on many charts that I have for such

> > > individuals and out of my own personal

> experience I

> > > agree with you.

> > >

> > > However when it comes to emigration you'll find

> most

> > > people go through it once.

> > > My question: how does one recognize a multiple

> > > emigration i.e. where a person is moving to one

> > > country, living and working there for let's say

> > > 10-15 years and then moves to a third country

> for

> > > 10-15 years and maybe even to a forth one (never

> > > back to it's place of birth) ?

> > >

> > > Kind regards

> > >

> > > Jay Weiss

> > >

> > > -

> > > <partvinu5>

> > > <vedic astrology>

> > > Thursday, September 20, 2001 1:33 PM

> > > [vedic astrology] Travel and settlement

> in

> > > foreign lands

> > >

> > > > In my humble opinion, the main factors which

> are

> > > considered to be

> > > > important for foreign travel and settlement

> are as

> > > follows

> > > >

> > > > a) 9th lord , his placement in chara rasis

> > > > b) placement of rahu in 12th house and chara

> > > rasis.

> > > > c) placement of 7th lord of distant travels in

> > > chara rasis and

> > > > especially in bhagya and labaha sthanas.

> > > > d) placement of 4th lord in 12th , 12th lord

> in

> > > 12th is a good

> > > > indicator for foreign travel.

> > > > e) the role of 8th house should also be

> considered

> > > as it is a hidden

> > > > house nad also 12th form 9th house of foreign

> > > travel.

> > > >

> > > > comments and controversies are acceptable and

> can

> > > be sent to

> > > > Partvinu5

> > > >

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> > >

> >

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September 21, 2001

Dear Jay and Partha,

Any planet in a moveable sign in the 10th should give travel. Planets

here give argala to the 9th and 12th houses of travel. Parasar

designates this house as showing foreign residence as well.

The Navamsa chakra must also be scrutinized carefully. I have in my

possession the charts of twins with the same rasi chart. The navamsa

ascendant is different.

The dasa of Rahu has just finished. In one chart Rahu sits in the 7th

house, and in the other Rahu is in the 8th. The person with Rahu in

the 7th has made about 60 business trips all over the world in the

past 4 years, as well as taking about 25 trips for pleasure across

the world, and routinely travelling to neibouring cities for weekend

enjoyment.

The other with Rahu in the 8th navamsa travels, but the frequency is

far far less, perhaps once every 3 months.

Note that in both Rasi charts Rahu is in the 9th house, yet if also

in a travel house in navamsa, the travelling is experienced

exponentially.

I have found that I have made incorrect judgements when I have just

looked at the rasi chart. For example in my own chart I have been

running Sun in the 10th in fixed sign Taurus dasa for 4 years now.

During this dasa, I have travelled extensively, twice to Central

America, to Europe, again to Europe to work in France for half a

year, moved to Quebec for a year, and numerous trips all over the

United States. In navamsa Sun is in the 9th house in moveable

Capricorn.

regards,

Alex J

Rasi of twins

+----------------------+

| | | | Ket |

| | Mar | | |

| BL | | Moo | SatR |

| | Asc | | |

| | | | GL |

|-------------|---------------------------|-------------|

| | | |

| | | HL |

| | | |

|-------------| R A S I |-------------|

| | | |

| Ven Jup | | |

| | | |

| Glk Mnd | | |

| | | |

|-------------|---------------------------|-------------|

| | | | |

| | Mer | | |

| Rah | | | |

| | Sun | | |

| | | | |

+----------------------+

Travelling twin's navamsa

Date of Birth: December 9, 1973

Time of Birth: 2:46:00 pm

Time Zone of Birth: 5:00 West of GMT

Longitude of Birth: 74 W 04

Latitude of Birth: 40 N 43

+----------------------+

| | | | |

| | | Rah | GL |

| Ven | Mar | | |

| | | Jup | Glk |

| | | | |

|-------------|---------------------------|-------------|

| | | |

| Sun | | Moo |

| | | |

|-------------| N A V A M S A |-------------|

| | | |

|-------------|---------------------------|-------------|

| | Asc | | |

| SatR | | | Mer |

| | Ket | | |

| BL | | | Mnd |

| | HL | | |

+----------------------+

Less travelled twin' navamsa

Date of Birth: December 9, 1973

Time of Birth: 2:39:00 pm

Time Zone of Birth: 5:00 West of GMT

Longitude of Birth: 74 W 04

Latitude of Birth: 40 N 43

+----------------------+

| | | | |

| | | Rah | |

| Ven | Mar | | |

| | | Jup | |

| | | | |

|-------------|---------------------------|-------------|

| | | |

| GL | | Glk |

| | | |

| Sun | | Moo |

| | | |

|-------------| N A V A M S A |-------------|

| | | |

|-------------|---------------------------|-------------|

| | Mnd | | |

| | | | HL |

| SatR | Ket | Asc | |

| | | | Mer |

| | BL | | |

+----------------------+

September 21, 2001

Hi Jay, Partha & Alex,

When considering travel, the key divisional chart is the ChaturthAmsa

(D-4)and not Navamsa(D-9), in *my* opinion.

Apart from D-4, Nodes and 7, 9 & 12 houses, one also has to consider

Jalapathana & Paradesa Sahams!!!

Notice these Sahams for the twins are in different signs in D-1 & D-4

although the D-4 is similar.

For the Elder(Less Traveled) Twin:

Jalapathana Saham: 04Ar39, falls in Ar in D-4(4H)

Paradesa Saham: 01Cn39, falls in Cn in D-4(7H)

For the Younger(More Traveled) Twin:

--

Jalapathana Saham: 29Ge15, falls in Pi in D-4(3H)

Paradesa Saham: 29Pi51, falls in Sg in D-4(12H)

Both of them ran Rahu Dasa from 82 approx and started Ju from 2000.

For the Younger Twin Rh is conjunct Paradesa Saham!!!!

For the Elder Twin Ju is conjunct Paradesa Saham!!! So we might see

him travelling more in Ju's dasa.

Note: Ju is also the lord of both the sahams in Younger twin. So

travel seems logical.

Regards

-Narayan

vedic astrology, "Alex J" <lostinmotion@h...> wrote:

> Dear Jay and Partha,

>

> Any planet in a moveable sign in the 10th should give travel.

Planets

> here give argala to the 9th and 12th houses of travel. Parasar

> designates this house as showing foreign residence as well.

>

> The Navamsa chakra must also be scrutinized carefully. I have in my

> possession the charts of twins with the same rasi chart. The

navamsa

> ascendant is different.

>

> The dasa of Rahu has just finished. In one chart Rahu sits in the

7th

> house, and in the other Rahu is in the 8th. The person with Rahu in

> the 7th has made about 60 business trips all over the world in the

> past 4 years, as well as taking about 25 trips for pleasure across

> the world, and routinely travelling to neibouring cities for

weekend

> enjoyment.

>

> The other with Rahu in the 8th navamsa travels, but the frequency

is

> far far less, perhaps once every 3 months.

>

> Note that in both Rasi charts Rahu is in the 9th house, yet if also

> in a travel house in navamsa, the travelling is experienced

> exponentially.

>

> I have found that I have made incorrect judgements when I have just

> looked at the rasi chart. For example in my own chart I have been

> running Sun in the 10th in fixed sign Taurus dasa for 4 years now.

> During this dasa, I have travelled extensively, twice to Central

> America, to Europe, again to Europe to work in France for half a

> year, moved to Quebec for a year, and numerous trips all over the

> United States. In navamsa Sun is in the 9th house in moveable

> Capricorn.

>

> regards,

>

> Alex J

>

> Rasi of twins

> +----------------------+

> | | | | Ket |

> | | Mar | | |

> | BL | | Moo | SatR |

> | | Asc | | |

> | | | | GL |

> |-------------|---------------------------|-------------|

> | | | |

> | | | HL |

> | | | |

> |-------------| R A S I |-------------|

> | | | |

> | Ven Jup | | |

> | | | |

> | Glk Mnd | | |

> | | | |

> |-------------|---------------------------|-------------|

> | | | | |

> | | Mer | | |

> | Rah | | | |

> | | Sun | | |

> | | | | |

> +----------------------+

>

> Travelling twin's navamsa

> Date of Birth: December 9, 1973

> Time of Birth: 2:46:00 pm

> Time Zone of Birth: 5:00 West of GMT

> Longitude of Birth: 74 W 04

> Latitude of Birth: 40 N 43

> +----------------------+

> | | | | |

> | | | Rah | GL |

> | Ven | Mar | | |

> | | | Jup | Glk |

> | | | | |

> |-------------|---------------------------|-------------|

> | | | |

> | Sun | | Moo |

> | | | |

> |-------------| N A V A M S A |-------------|

> | | | |

> |-------------|---------------------------|-------------|

> | | Asc | | |

> | SatR | | | Mer |

> | | Ket | | |

> | BL | | | Mnd |

> | | HL | | |

> +----------------------+

>

> Less travelled twin' navamsa

> Date of Birth: December 9, 1973

> Time of Birth: 2:39:00 pm

> Time Zone of Birth: 5:00 West of GMT

> Longitude of Birth: 74 W 04

> Latitude of Birth: 40 N 43

> +----------------------+

> | | | | |

> | | | Rah | |

> | Ven | Mar | | |

> | | | Jup | |

> | | | | |

> |-------------|---------------------------|-------------|

> | | | |

> | GL | | Glk |

> | | | |

> | Sun | | Moo |

> | | | |

> |-------------| N A V A M S A |-------------|

> | | | |

> |-------------|---------------------------|-------------|

> | | Mnd | | |

> | | | | HL |

> | SatR | Ket | Asc | |

> | | | | Mer |

> | | BL | | |

> +----------------------+

September 21, 2001

Hi Narayan,

I didn't mention the D-4, as the ascendant is the same in that chart.

In both Rahu is in the 12th giving both of them foreign travel.

The difference between the two shows in the D-9, that is why I

mentioned this. But I didn't consider the sahams in the D-4 or

otherwise! I should study these. Thanks for the tips, I was wondering

about the apparent lack of difference in the D-4.

*My* opinion is that all of the D-1, D-9, and D-4 should be looked

at, as the classics do mention many combinations in the D-1, and D-9

as causing foreign travel as well.

For example my D-9 indicates the most foreign travel, during Sun

dasa. I don't see it so much in my D-1 or D-4. In general I find that

the D-4 with 6 planets in moveable signs aspecting the 9th and 12th,

but Sun is in a fixed sign Taurus in the 10th. But then again I

haven't looked at the sahams!

During Sun dasa I have probably made about 40 trips. I have moved

cities 5 times, including once to another continent in Sun-Jupiter. I

have lived abroad and travelled much more during Sun dasa than in

Venus dasa. Despite Venus being in a moveable sign, aspecting the

12th house, 7th, 4th and 9th lords in D-4 with dispositor in the

12th.

regards,

Alex J

Date of Birth: May 16, 1976

Time of Birth: 1:04:00 pm

Time Zone of Birth: 4:00 West of GMT

Longitude of Birth: 79 W 34

Latitude of Birth: 43 N 39

+----------------------+

| | Ket | | |

| | | Sun | |

| | Jup | | |

| | Ven | | |

|-------------|---------------------------|-------------|

| | | |

| | | Sat Mar |

| | | |

| | | Glk Mnd |

| | | |

|-------------| R A S I |-------------|

| | | |

| | | Asc |

| | | |

| | | BL |

| | | |

|-------------|---------------------------|-------------|

| | | | |

| HL | | Rah | |

| | | | |

| Moo | | GL | |

| | | | |

+----------------------+

| | | Asc | |

| Mnd | | | GL |

| | | HL | |

| Rah | | | |

|-------------|---------------------------|-------------|

| | | |

| | | Moo |

| | | |

|-------------| N A V A M S A |-------------|

| | | |

| | | Sat |

| Sun | | |

| | | Mar |

| | | |

|-------------|---------------------------|-------------|

| | | | Ket |

| | | | |

| Glk | Ven | | Jup |

| | | | |

| | | | BL |

+----------------------+

| | | | |

| | Mnd | | |

| Moo | | Sun | |

| | Rah | | |

| | | | |

|-------------|---------------------------|-------------|

| | | Sat |

| | | |

| BL | | Mar |

| | | |

| | | GL |

|-------------| D - 4 |-------------|

| | | |

| Ven | | MerR |

| | | |

| Glk | | Asc |

| | | |

|-------------|---------------------------|-------------|

| | | | |

| | | Ket | |

| HL | | | |

| | | Jup | |

| | | | |

+----------------------+

September 21, 2001

Dear Alex,

Based on the time given by you, I get the following:

Jalapathana Saham(JPS): 16Vi50

Paradesa Saham(PDS): 06Ta23

Firstly, a change of 1 minute changes your D-9 Lagna to Ge!!!!

Now, PDS is within 5-degree orb of Sun!!!!

Both PDS and Sun are together in D-4!!!

They are aspected by JPS lord Ju(In D-4) and Ke from Libra!!!!

In D-4, Sun is once again aspected by 7L & 9L from 12H!!!!

Ofcourse,I acknowledge, that it is easy to retro-fit events to the

data given .

Regards

-Narayan

vedic astrology, "Alex J" <lostinmotion@h...> wrote:

> Hi Narayan,

>

> I didn't mention the D-4, as the ascendant is the same in that

chart.

> In both Rahu is in the 12th giving both of them foreign travel.

>

> The difference between the two shows in the D-9, that is why I

> mentioned this. But I didn't consider the sahams in the D-4 or

> otherwise! I should study these. Thanks for the tips, I was

wondering

> about the apparent lack of difference in the D-4.

>

> *My* opinion is that all of the D-1, D-9, and D-4 should be looked

> at, as the classics do mention many combinations in the D-1, and D-

9

> as causing foreign travel as well.

>

> For example my D-9 indicates the most foreign travel, during Sun

> dasa. I don't see it so much in my D-1 or D-4. In general I find

that

> the D-4 with 6 planets in moveable signs aspecting the 9th and

12th,

> but Sun is in a fixed sign Taurus in the 10th. But then again I

> haven't looked at the sahams!

>

> During Sun dasa I have probably made about 40 trips. I have moved

> cities 5 times, including once to another continent in Sun-Jupiter.

I

> have lived abroad and travelled much more during Sun dasa than in

> Venus dasa. Despite Venus being in a moveable sign, aspecting the

> 12th house, 7th, 4th and 9th lords in D-4 with dispositor in the

> 12th.

>

> regards,

>

> Alex J

>

> Date of Birth: May 16, 1976

> Time of Birth: 1:04:00 pm

> Time Zone of Birth: 4:00 West of GMT

> Longitude of Birth: 79 W 34

> Latitude of Birth: 43 N 39

>

> +----------------------+

> | | Ket | | |

> | | | Sun | |

> | | Jup | | |

> | | | MerR | |

> | | Ven | | |

> |-------------|---------------------------|-------------|

> | | | |

> | | | Sat Mar |

> | | | |

> | | | Glk Mnd |

> | | | |

> |-------------| R A S I |-------------|

> | | | |

> | | | Asc |

> | | | |

> | | | BL |

> | | | |

> |-------------|---------------------------|-------------|

> | | | | |

> | HL | | Rah | |

> | | | | |

> | Moo | | GL | |

> | | | | |

> +----------------------+

>

> +----------------------+

> | MerR | | | |

> | | | Asc | |

> | Mnd | | | GL |

> | | | HL | |

> | Rah | | | |

> |-------------|---------------------------|-------------|

> | | | |

> | | | Moo |

> | | | |

> |-------------| N A V A M S A |-------------|

> | | | |

> | | | Sat |

> | Sun | | |

> | | | Mar |

> | | | |

> |-------------|---------------------------|-------------|

> | | | | Ket |

> | | | | |

> | Glk | Ven | | Jup |

> | | | | |

> | | | | BL |

> +----------------------+

>

> +----------------------+

> | | | | |

> | | Mnd | | |

> | Moo | | Sun | |

> | | Rah | | |

> | | | | |

> |-------------|---------------------------|-------------|

> | | | Sat |

> | | | |

> | BL | | Mar |

> | | | |

> | | | GL |

> |-------------| D - 4 |-------------|

> | | | |

> | Ven | | MerR |

> | | | |

> | Glk | | Asc |

> | | | |

> |-------------|---------------------------|-------------|

> | | | | |

> | | | Ket | |

> | HL | | | |

> | | | Jup | |

> | | | | |

> +----------------------+

September 21, 2001

dear alex,

Is suppose , that you have got it right

finally as you have taken into account the important

sub-divisional charts of d4 and d9.

Thanks and regards

Partha

--- Alex J <lostinmotion wrote:

> Dear Jay and Partha,

>

> Any planet in a moveable sign in the 10th should

> give travel. Planets

> here give argala to the 9th and 12th houses of

> travel. Parasar

> designates this house as showing foreign residence

> as well.

>

> The Navamsa chakra must also be scrutinized

> carefully. I have in my

> possession the charts of twins with the same rasi

> chart. The navamsa

> ascendant is different.

>

> The dasa of Rahu has just finished. In one chart

> Rahu sits in the 7th

> house, and in the other Rahu is in the 8th. The

> person with Rahu in

> the 7th has made about 60 business trips all over

> the world in the

> past 4 years, as well as taking about 25 trips for

> pleasure across

> the world, and routinely travelling to neibouring

> cities for weekend

> enjoyment.

>

> The other with Rahu in the 8th navamsa travels, but

> the frequency is

> far far less, perhaps once every 3 months.

>

> Note that in both Rasi charts Rahu is in the 9th

> house, yet if also

> in a travel house in navamsa, the travelling is

> experienced

> exponentially.

>

> I have found that I have made incorrect judgements

> when I have just

> looked at the rasi chart. For example in my own

> chart I have been

> running Sun in the 10th in fixed sign Taurus dasa

> for 4 years now.

> During this dasa, I have travelled extensively,

> twice to Central

> America, to Europe, again to Europe to work in

> France for half a

> year, moved to Quebec for a year, and numerous trips

> all over the

> United States. In navamsa Sun is in the 9th house in

> moveable

> Capricorn.

>

> regards,

>

> Alex J

>

> Rasi of twins

>

+----------------------+

> | | | | Ket

> |

> | | Mar | |

> |

> | BL | | Moo | SatR

> |

> | | Asc | |

> |

> | | | |

> GL |

>

|-------------|---------------------------|-------------|

> | | |

> |

> | | |

> |

> | | | HL

> |

> | | |

> |

> | | |

> |

> |-------------| R A S I

> |-------------|

> | | |

> |

> | Ven Jup | |

> |

> | | |

> |

> | Glk Mnd | |

> |

> | | |

> |

>

|-------------|---------------------------|-------------|

> | | | |

> |

> | | Mer | |

> |

> | Rah | | |

> |

> | | Sun | |

> |

> | | | |

> |

>

+----------------------+

>

> Travelling twin's navamsa

> Date of Birth: December 9, 1973

> Time of Birth: 2:46:00 pm

> Time Zone of Birth: 5:00 West of GMT

> Longitude of Birth: 74 W 04

> Latitude of Birth: 40 N 43

>

+----------------------+

> | | | |

> |

> | | | Rah | GL

> |

> | Ven | Mar | |

> |

> | | | Jup |

> Glk |

> | | | |

> |

>

|-------------|---------------------------|-------------|

> | | |

> |

> | | |

> |

> | Sun | | Moo

> |

> | | |

> |

> | | |

> |

> |-------------| N A V A M S A

> |-------------|

> | | |

> |

> | | |

> |

> | | |

> |

> | | |

> |

> | | |

> |

>

|-------------|---------------------------|-------------|

> | | Asc | |

> |

> | SatR | | | Mer

> |

> | | Ket | |

> |

> | BL | | |

> Mnd |

> | | HL | |

> |

>

+----------------------+

>

> Less travelled twin' navamsa

> Date of Birth: December 9, 1973

> Time of Birth: 2:39:00 pm

> Time Zone of Birth: 5:00 West of GMT

> Longitude of Birth: 74 W 04

> Latitude of Birth: 40 N 43

>

+----------------------+

> | | | |

> |

> | | | Rah |

> |

> | Ven | Mar | |

> |

> | | | Jup |

> |

> | | | |

> |

>

|-------------|---------------------------|-------------|

> | | |

> |

> | GL | | Glk

> |

> | | |

> |

> | Sun | |

> Moo |

> | | |

> |

> |-------------| N A V A M S A

> |-------------|

> | | |

> |

> | | |

> |

> | | |

> |

> | | |

> |

> | | |

> |

>

|-------------|---------------------------|-------------|

> | | Mnd | |

>

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September 21, 2001

Dear narayan sir,

Your observations are immaculate and precise. But iw

ould like you to ask , is rahu necessarily 'the'

karaka for foreign travel just because he is a Mlechha

in guna. why not moon and saturn be considered,

because i have found in many charts moon as the planet

for causiong foreign travel.

Regards

Partha

--- Narayan Iyer <narayan_iyer wrote:

> Hi Jay, Partha & Alex,

>

> When considering travel, the key divisional chart is

> the ChaturthAmsa

> (D-4)and not Navamsa(D-9), in *my* opinion.

>

> Apart from D-4, Nodes and 7, 9 & 12 houses, one also

> has to consider

> Jalapathana & Paradesa Sahams!!!

>

> Notice these Sahams for the twins are in different

> signs in D-1 & D-4

> although the D-4 is similar.

>

> For the Elder(Less Traveled) Twin:

>

> Jalapathana Saham: 04Ar39, falls in Ar in D-4(4H)

> Paradesa Saham: 01Cn39, falls in Cn in D-4(7H)

>

> For the Younger(More Traveled) Twin:

> --

>

> Jalapathana Saham: 29Ge15, falls in Pi in D-4(3H)

> Paradesa Saham: 29Pi51, falls in Sg in D-4(12H)

>

> Both of them ran Rahu Dasa from 82 approx and

> started Ju from 2000.

>

> For the Younger Twin Rh is conjunct Paradesa

> Saham!!!!

>

> For the Elder Twin Ju is conjunct Paradesa Saham!!!

> So we might see

> him travelling more in Ju's dasa.

>

> Note: Ju is also the lord of both the sahams in

> Younger twin. So

> travel seems logical.

>

> Regards

> -Narayan

>

vedic astrology, "Alex J"

> <lostinmotion@h...> wrote:

> > Dear Jay and Partha,

> >

> > Any planet in a moveable sign in the 10th should

> give travel.

> Planets

> > here give argala to the 9th and 12th houses of

> travel. Parasar

> > designates this house as showing foreign residence

> as well.

> >

> > The Navamsa chakra must also be scrutinized

> carefully. I have in my

> > possession the charts of twins with the same rasi

> chart. The

> navamsa

> > ascendant is different.

> >

> > The dasa of Rahu has just finished. In one chart

> Rahu sits in the

> 7th

> > house, and in the other Rahu is in the 8th. The

> person with Rahu in

> > the 7th has made about 60 business trips all over

> the world in the

> > past 4 years, as well as taking about 25 trips for

> pleasure across

> > the world, and routinely travelling to neibouring

> cities for

> weekend

> > enjoyment.

> >

> > The other with Rahu in the 8th navamsa travels,

> but the frequency

> is

> > far far less, perhaps once every 3 months.

> >

> > Note that in both Rasi charts Rahu is in the 9th

> house, yet if also

> > in a travel house in navamsa, the travelling is

> experienced

> > exponentially.

> >

> > I have found that I have made incorrect judgements

> when I have just

> > looked at the rasi chart. For example in my own

> chart I have been

> > running Sun in the 10th in fixed sign Taurus dasa

> for 4 years now.

> > During this dasa, I have travelled extensively,

> twice to Central

> > America, to Europe, again to Europe to work in

> France for half a

> > year, moved to Quebec for a year, and numerous

> trips all over the

> > United States. In navamsa Sun is in the 9th house

> in moveable

> > Capricorn.

> >

> > regards,

> >

> > Alex J

> >

> > Rasi of twins

> >

>

+----------------------+

> > | | | | Ket

> |

> > | | Mar | |

> |

> > | BL | | Moo |

> SatR |

> > | | Asc | |

> |

> > | | | |

> GL |

> >

>

|-------------|---------------------------|-------------|

> > | | |

> |

> > | | |

> |

> > | | |

> HL |

> > | | |

> |

> > | | |

> |

> > |-------------| R A S I

> |-------------|

> > | | |

> |

> > | Ven Jup | |

> |

> > | | |

> |

> > | Glk Mnd | |

> |

> > | | |

> |

> >

>

|-------------|---------------------------|-------------|

> > | | | |

> |

> > | | Mer | |

> |

> > | Rah | | |

> |

> > | | Sun | |

> |

> > | | | |

> |

> >

>

+----------------------+

> >

> > Travelling twin's navamsa

> > Date of Birth: December 9, 1973

> > Time of Birth: 2:46:00 pm

> > Time Zone of Birth: 5:00 West of GMT

> > Longitude of Birth: 74 W 04

> > Latitude of Birth: 40 N 43

> >

>

+----------------------+

> > | | | |

> |

> > | | | Rah | GL

> |

> > | Ven | Mar | |

> |

> > | | | Jup |

> Glk |

> > | | | |

> |

> >

>

|-------------|---------------------------|-------------|

> > | | |

> |

> > | | |

> |

> > | Sun | |

> Moo |

> > | | |

> |

> > | | |

> |

> > |-------------| N A V A M S A

> |-------------|

> > | | |

>

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September 24, 2001

Dear Narayan,

You are right, there is the yoga of the 1st, 7th and 9th lords from

the 12th house in D-4, the same as in D-1.

I could be Gemini navamsa... I am undecided ;-)

Thanks for all of the detailed exposition of the Sahams. This is

obviously a fertile area of study that I must delve into.

Best regards,

Alex J

vedic astrology, "Narayan Iyer" <narayan_iyer@h...> wrote:

> Dear Alex,

>

> Based on the time given by you, I get the following:

>

> Jalapathana Saham(JPS): 16Vi50

> Paradesa Saham(PDS): 06Ta23

>

> Firstly, a change of 1 minute changes your D-9 Lagna to Ge!!!!

>

> Now, PDS is within 5-degree orb of Sun!!!!

> Both PDS and Sun are together in D-4!!!

> They are aspected by JPS lord Ju(In D-4) and Ke from Libra!!!!

>

> In D-4, Sun is once again aspected by 7L & 9L from 12H!!!!

>

> Ofcourse,I acknowledge, that it is easy to retro-fit events to the

> data given .

>

> Regards

> -Narayan

>

> vedic astrology, "Alex J" <lostinmotion@h...> wrote:

> > Hi Narayan,

> >

> > I didn't mention the D-4, as the ascendant is the same in that

> chart.

> > In both Rahu is in the 12th giving both of them foreign travel.

> >

> > The difference between the two shows in the D-9, that is why I

> > mentioned this. But I didn't consider the sahams in the D-4 or

> > otherwise! I should study these. Thanks for the tips, I was

> wondering

> > about the apparent lack of difference in the D-4.

> >

> > *My* opinion is that all of the D-1, D-9, and D-4 should be

looked

> > at, as the classics do mention many combinations in the D-1, and

D-

> 9

> > as causing foreign travel as well.

> >

> > For example my D-9 indicates the most foreign travel, during Sun

> > dasa. I don't see it so much in my D-1 or D-4. In general I find

> that

> > the D-4 with 6 planets in moveable signs aspecting the 9th and

> 12th,

> > but Sun is in a fixed sign Taurus in the 10th. But then again I

> > haven't looked at the sahams!

> >

> > During Sun dasa I have probably made about 40 trips. I have moved

> > cities 5 times, including once to another continent in Sun-

Jupiter.

> I

> > have lived abroad and travelled much more during Sun dasa than in

> > Venus dasa. Despite Venus being in a moveable sign, aspecting the

> > 12th house, 7th, 4th and 9th lords in D-4 with dispositor in the

> > 12th.

> >

> > regards,

> >

> > Alex J

> >

> > Date of Birth: May 16, 1976

> > Time of Birth: 1:04:00 pm

> > Time Zone of Birth: 4:00 West of GMT

> > Longitude of Birth: 79 W 34

> > Latitude of Birth: 43 N 39

> >

> > +----------------------+

> > | | Ket | | |

> > | | | Sun | |

> > | | Jup | | |

> > | | | MerR | |

> > | | Ven | | |

> > |-------------|---------------------------|-------------|

> > | | | |

> > | | | Sat Mar |

> > | | | |

> > | | | Glk Mnd |

> > | | | |

> > |-------------| R A S I |-------------|

> > | | | |

> > | | | Asc |

> > | | | |

> > | | | BL |

> > | | | |

> > |-------------|---------------------------|-------------|

> > | | | | |

> > | HL | | Rah | |

> > | | | | |

> > | Moo | | GL | |

> > | | | | |

> > +----------------------+

> >

> > +----------------------+

> > | MerR | | | |

> > | | | Asc | |

> > | Mnd | | | GL |

> > | | | HL | |

> > | Rah | | | |

> > |-------------|---------------------------|-------------|

> > | | | |

> > | | | Moo |

> > | | | |

> > |-------------| N A V A M S A |-------------|

> > | | | |

> > | | | Sat |

> > | Sun | | |

> > | | | Mar |

> > | | | |

> > |-------------|---------------------------|-------------|

> > | | | | Ket |

> > | | | | |

> > | Glk | Ven | | Jup |

> > | | | | |

> > | | | | BL |

> > +----------------------+

> >

> > +----------------------+

> > | | | | |

> > | | Mnd | | |

> > | Moo | | Sun | |

> > | | Rah | | |

> > | | | | |

> > |-------------|---------------------------|-------------|

> > | | | Sat |

> > | | | |

> > | BL | | Mar |

> > | | | |

> > | | | GL |

> > |-------------| D - 4 |-------------|

> > | | | |

> > | Ven | | MerR |

> > | | | |

> > | Glk | | Asc |

> > | | | |

> > |-------------|---------------------------|-------------|

> > | | | | |

> > | | | Ket | |

> > | HL | | | |

> > | | | Jup | |

> > | | | | |

> > +----------------------+

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