Upapada = Pada of 2nd house ? (was Marriage delay...... why??)

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Dear Sumeet,

 

> According to BPHS, the Upapada will be the Pada of the 2nd house if

> the Ascendant is Even sign (in this case Scorpio).

 

I am confused. I hv seen the article by Guaranga Das on Upapada. He

did not mention that Upapada = pada of the 2nd house, if the Asc is

Even Sign

 

Best Regards, Venkat

 

 

>This would make

> Libra/12th house the Upapada. This is owned by Venus and Venus is

in

> own house, and Venus is a benefic, should not cause denial of

> marriage, although, there is still the aspect of Saturn (???).

>

> Visti > You suggested worshipping the deity of Mars. I may sound

> stupid but could you pl. also tell me the deity. And is there any

> thing else that could be done for an early marriage ??

>

> Would Moon/Jupiter/Venus period be a possible period for marriage

> (Apr 2004) ?

>

> Regards.

> -Sumit.

>

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Dear Sumeet and Venkat!

 

Don't get confused.... In all the cases, Upapada is the pada of the 12th

house. This is what specifically taught be Pt. Sanjay Rath.

 

Regards

Sarajit

 

-

"Venkateshwara A Reddy" <venkateshwara_reddy

<vedic astrology>

Wednesday, October 03, 2001 10:08 AM

[vedic astrology] Upapada = Pada of 2nd house ? (was Re: Marriage

delay...... why??)

 

 

> Dear Sumeet,

>

> > According to BPHS, the Upapada will be the Pada of the 2nd house if

> > the Ascendant is Even sign (in this case Scorpio).

>

> I am confused. I hv seen the article by Guaranga Das on Upapada. He

> did not mention that Upapada = pada of the 2nd house, if the Asc is

> Even Sign

>

> Best Regards, Venkat

>

>

> >This would make

> > Libra/12th house the Upapada. This is owned by Venus and Venus is

> in

> > own house, and Venus is a benefic, should not cause denial of

> > marriage, although, there is still the aspect of Saturn (???).

> >

> > Visti > You suggested worshipping the deity of Mars. I may sound

> > stupid but could you pl. also tell me the deity. And is there any

> > thing else that could be done for an early marriage ??

> >

> > Would Moon/Jupiter/Venus period be a possible period for marriage

> > (Apr 2004) ?

> >

> > Regards.

> > -Sumit.

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

>

>

>

> Your use of is subject to

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Venkat, Sumeet and list members,

 

Currently I read the book "Arudha Systems of Prediction" by C.S.Patel where on

page 55/56 he make reference to BPHS chapter 30 and Jamini (Chaukamba Hindi

Edition) the interpretation is that the Upapada be the 12th in case of an odd

sign and the second in case of an even sign. The issue is focused around the

interpretation of the word "Auchara" which denotes "the house following the

Ascendant at birth". Maybe some members who control Sanskrit can dig into this

?

 

However, Sanjay Rath in his translation of "Upadesa Sutras" on page 107 (note i)

writes that those views are incorrect and only the 12th house should be taken

into account.

 

There is certainly some confusion here It will be nice to 'air' this one out

....

 

Kind regards

 

/Jay Weiss

 

 

 

 

-

"Venkateshwara A Reddy" <venkateshwara_reddy

<vedic astrology>

Wednesday, October 03, 2001 6:38 AM

[vedic astrology] Upapada = Pada of 2nd house ? (was Re: Marriage

delay...... why??)

 

 

> Dear Sumeet,

>

> > According to BPHS, the Upapada will be the Pada of the 2nd house if

> > the Ascendant is Even sign (in this case Scorpio).

>

> I am confused. I hv seen the article by Guaranga Das on Upapada. He

> did not mention that Upapada = pada of the 2nd house, if the Asc is

> Even Sign

>

> Best Regards, Venkat

>

>

> >This would make

> > Libra/12th house the Upapada. This is owned by Venus and Venus is

> in

> > own house, and Venus is a benefic, should not cause denial of

> > marriage, although, there is still the aspect of Saturn (???).

> >

> > Visti > You suggested worshipping the deity of Mars. I may sound

> > stupid but could you pl. also tell me the deity. And is there any

> > thing else that could be done for an early marriage ??

> >

> > Would Moon/Jupiter/Venus period be a possible period for marriage

> > (Apr 2004) ?

> >

> > Regards.

> > -Sumit.

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

>

>

>

> Your use of is subject to

>

>

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JAYA JAGANNATHA!

 

Dear members,

 

Namaste.

 

As the question was addressed to me, I will try to answer, and other

Sanskrit Pandits like Narasimha can add on it.

 

In the Sagar edition of BPHS (Ch. 32. verse 2-3) the following is given as

the definition of the Upapada:

 

tanor anucaraadyat syaad upaarudham tadocyate

tadevopapadam naama tathaa gaunapadam smrtam

 

Tanu Bhava is the first house. The Upapada or Uparudha will be the arudha of

the anucara (the house following the 1st house). This is the 12th house, as

the planets move from the 12th house into the 1st during their regular

motion). Parashara does not make nay mention of switching between the 12th

and 2nd house in case of odd/even signs.

 

Maharishi Jaimini in his Upadesha Sutras (1.4.1.) writes as follows:

 

upapadam padam pitranucaraat

 

Here Sanjayji again translates Upapada as Pada of the 12th house. No mention

of variation acc. to the sing being odd/even or sama/visamapada. It is only

in Neelakantha's commentary that Pitranucharaat is interpreted as 2nd house

for sama or samapada signs, but Sanjayji states that this view is a

misconception.

 

Also Kalidas in Uttara Kallamrita Kanda I Ch IV. verse 38 writes as follows:

 

evam rihphagrhaad bhavedupapadam tatraiva saumye tadaa

tajjaayaa hi surupinii gunavatii saa syaacchiranjiivinii

 

This again points to the Upapada being the Arudha of the 12th house.

 

I hope that this helps relax the question.

 

Yours,

 

Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer

<gauranga

Phone: +36-309-140-839

Jyotish Remedies:

WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET

 

 

 

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"JW" <jayhw

<vedic astrology>

Wednesday, October 03, 2001 8:18 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] Upapada = Pada of 2nd house ? (was Re:

Marriage delay...... why??)

 

 

> Dear Venkat, Sumeet and list members,

>

> Currently I read the book "Arudha Systems of Prediction" by C.S.Patel

where on page 55/56 he make reference to BPHS chapter 30 and Jamini

(Chaukamba Hindi Edition) the interpretation is that the Upapada be the 12th

in case of an odd sign and the second in case of an even sign. The issue is

focused around the interpretation of the word "Auchara" which denotes "the

house following the Ascendant at birth". Maybe some members who control

Sanskrit can dig into this ?

>

> However, Sanjay Rath in his translation of "Upadesa Sutras" on page 107

(note i) writes that those views are incorrect and only the 12th house

should be taken into account.

>

> There is certainly some confusion here It will be nice to 'air' this one

out ...

>

> Kind regards

>

> /Jay Weiss

>

>

>

>

> -

> "Venkateshwara A Reddy" <venkateshwara_reddy

> <vedic astrology>

> Wednesday, October 03, 2001 6:38 AM

> [vedic astrology] Upapada = Pada of 2nd house ? (was Re: Marriage

delay...... why??)

>

>

> > Dear Sumeet,

> >

> > > According to BPHS, the Upapada will be the Pada of the 2nd house if

> > > the Ascendant is Even sign (in this case Scorpio).

> >

> > I am confused. I hv seen the article by Guaranga Das on Upapada. He

> > did not mention that Upapada = pada of the 2nd house, if the Asc is

> > Even Sign

> >

> > Best Regards, Venkat

> >

> >

> > >This would make

> > > Libra/12th house the Upapada. This is owned by Venus and Venus is

> > in

> > > own house, and Venus is a benefic, should not cause denial of

> > > marriage, although, there is still the aspect of Saturn (???).

> > >

> > > Visti > You suggested worshipping the deity of Mars. I may sound

> > > stupid but could you pl. also tell me the deity. And is there any

> > > thing else that could be done for an early marriage ??

> > >

> > > Would Moon/Jupiter/Venus period be a possible period for marriage

> > > (Apr 2004) ?

> > >

> > > Regards.

> > > -Sumit.

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

> >

> >

> >

> > Your use of is subject to

 

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

>

>

>

> Your use of is subject to

>

 

 

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Dear Guranga Das and list members,

 

Thanks for your comments regarding Upapada.

I never doubted that it is the 12th and not the 2nd (using the same references

as you mentioned in your reply).

However it is beyond my understanding how certain 'authors' can take liberty in

implying otherwise, thereby misleading and creating confusion.

 

In this connection, please allow me a question to anyone who can reply:

In Uttara Kalamrita (Dr. P.S. Sastri), same chapter, in regard to Upapada and

predictions about wives, the text says "Jupiter in or aspecting the 8th from

lagna or a benefic's aspect on it will not cause the death of the first wife.

The conjunction or aspect of benefics like Guru indicates the number of living

wives, their children, their qualifications and other features.

Can anyone explain the second sentence ?

 

Kind regards

 

Jay Weiss

 

 

 

 

 

 

-

"Gauranga Das" <gauranga

<vedic astrology>

Friday, October 12, 2001 7:28 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] Upapada = Pada of 2nd house ? (was Re: Marriage

delay...... why??)

 

 

> JAYA JAGANNATHA!

>

> Dear members,

>

> Namaste.

>

> As the question was addressed to me, I will try to answer, and other

> Sanskrit Pandits like Narasimha can add on it.

>

> In the Sagar edition of BPHS (Ch. 32. verse 2-3) the following is given as

> the definition of the Upapada:

>

> tanor anucaraadyat syaad upaarudham tadocyate

> tadevopapadam naama tathaa gaunapadam smrtam

>

> Tanu Bhava is the first house. The Upapada or Uparudha will be the arudha of

> the anucara (the house following the 1st house). This is the 12th house, as

> the planets move from the 12th house into the 1st during their regular

> motion). Parashara does not make nay mention of switching between the 12th

> and 2nd house in case of odd/even signs.

>

> Maharishi Jaimini in his Upadesha Sutras (1.4.1.) writes as follows:

>

> upapadam padam pitranucaraat

>

> Here Sanjayji again translates Upapada as Pada of the 12th house. No mention

> of variation acc. to the sing being odd/even or sama/visamapada. It is only

> in Neelakantha's commentary that Pitranucharaat is interpreted as 2nd house

> for sama or samapada signs, but Sanjayji states that this view is a

> misconception.

>

> Also Kalidas in Uttara Kallamrita Kanda I Ch IV. verse 38 writes as follows:

>

> evam rihphagrhaad bhavedupapadam tatraiva saumye tadaa

> tajjaayaa hi surupinii gunavatii saa syaacchiranjiivinii

>

> This again points to the Upapada being the Arudha of the 12th house.

>

> I hope that this helps relax the question.

>

> Yours,

>

> Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer

> <gauranga

> Phone: +36-309-140-839

> Jyotish Remedies:

> WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET

>

>

>

> -

> "JW" <jayhw

> <vedic astrology>

> Wednesday, October 03, 2001 8:18 AM

> Re: [vedic astrology] Upapada = Pada of 2nd house ? (was Re:

> Marriage delay...... why??)

>

>

> > Dear Venkat, Sumeet and list members,

> >

> > Currently I read the book "Arudha Systems of Prediction" by C.S.Patel

> where on page 55/56 he make reference to BPHS chapter 30 and Jamini

> (Chaukamba Hindi Edition) the interpretation is that the Upapada be the 12th

> in case of an odd sign and the second in case of an even sign. The issue is

> focused around the interpretation of the word "Auchara" which denotes "the

> house following the Ascendant at birth". Maybe some members who control

> Sanskrit can dig into this ?

> >

> > However, Sanjay Rath in his translation of "Upadesa Sutras" on page 107

> (note i) writes that those views are incorrect and only the 12th house

> should be taken into account.

> >

> > There is certainly some confusion here It will be nice to 'air' this one

> out ...

> >

> > Kind regards

> >

> > /Jay Weiss

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > -

> > "Venkateshwara A Reddy" <venkateshwara_reddy

> > <vedic astrology>

> > Wednesday, October 03, 2001 6:38 AM

> > [vedic astrology] Upapada = Pada of 2nd house ? (was Re: Marriage

> delay...... why??)

> >

> >

> > > Dear Sumeet,

> > >

> > > > According to BPHS, the Upapada will be the Pada of the 2nd house if

> > > > the Ascendant is Even sign (in this case Scorpio).

> > >

> > > I am confused. I hv seen the article by Guaranga Das on Upapada. He

> > > did not mention that Upapada = pada of the 2nd house, if the Asc is

> > > Even Sign

> > >

> > > Best Regards, Venkat

> > >

> > >

> > > >This would make

> > > > Libra/12th house the Upapada. This is owned by Venus and Venus is

> > > in

> > > > own house, and Venus is a benefic, should not cause denial of

> > > > marriage, although, there is still the aspect of Saturn (???).

> > > >

> > > > Visti > You suggested worshipping the deity of Mars. I may sound

> > > > stupid but could you pl. also tell me the deity. And is there any

> > > > thing else that could be done for an early marriage ??

> > > >

> > > > Would Moon/Jupiter/Venus period be a possible period for marriage

> > > > (Apr 2004) ?

> > > >

> > > > Regards.

> > > > -Sumit.

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Your use of is subject to

>

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

> >

> >

> >

> > Your use of is subject to

> >

>

>

> _______

>

> Get your free @ address at

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

>

>

>

> Your use of is subject to

>

>