Guest guest Posted October 9, 2001 Report Share Posted October 9, 2001 Is there a scholar or two out there who can cite the viparita rule? Partha's seems unduly strict, though all 3 dusthana lords would certainly create an undeniable upward force in the life. Bill Gates has only 2 dushtana rulers in dushtanas - as calculated from the Moon - and he is worth 50 billion dollars. And, I'm still concerned about the distinction of a dusthana lord in another dushtana being one variation and 2 or more dusthana lords in complete connection being the other variation. And still, we have the question of the 3rd being eligible to participate in a Viparita. Chakrapani Ullal stated a lecture there are various types of Viparitas - which include all that have been written about in this thread. Perhaps this is the answer? If so, a question then is what are the various results of the various types? doug riemer vedic astrology, partha sarathy <partvinu5> wrote: > dear ron > well well well what do i see here. the assesment that > only two of the three dusthana lords can give vry. but > my dear freind vry is a rare yoga and very few have > it. the rule that the three dusthana lords should be > associated holds true. this is because i have seen > hundreds of charts where two dusthana lords being > associated with their counterparts and not giving vry. > raja yogas if manifested in full give extraordinary > results and ordinary mortals cannot claim to have > vry. > regards > partha sarathy > --- ron@i... wrote: > > Om Krishna Guru > > --------------- > > > > Dear Partha and friends, Pranaam: > > > > With all due respect, I strongly disagree with your > > assessment below. > > > > Specifically on your wording: > > > > "vipareeta yoga is formed when all the three > > dusthana lords are > > connected to the dusthana other than those of their > > own" > > > > To re-iterate, it is *not* necessary for *all three > > dusthana* to be > > connected via aspects or conjoin or what have you. > > > > Two of the three dusthana lords in mutual > > relationship *already* > > triggers Vipareeta Raja Yoga. > > > > Perhaps respected Guruji(s) and experts will correct > > me if I am > > wrong. > > > > Unfortunately, until now; no one at this list has > > shown the eagerness > > or enthusiasm to go deep enough in the discussion > > regarding Vipareeta > > Raja Yoga that Doug Reimer and I started. > > > > I am thankful to Narasimha Ji for his reply on > > explaining the various > > yogas [formed by dusthana lords in their own > > house(s)]. However, his > > post, did not address the several combinations that > > can result in and > > from Vipareeta Raja Yoga. > > > > One can have a Vipareeta Raja Yoga [strong enough] > > and at the same > > time the above mentioned Yogas. > > > > For example, in my own chart [you can search it on > > this list], Venus > > in Taurus in 12th house of Rasi chart forms a Vimala > > [Pure] Yoga. But > > at the same time, Mars being in Taurus alongside > > Venus [and Mars > > being the lord of my 6th house] triggers a > > considerably strong > > Vipareeta Raja Yoga [already endorsed by Sanjay Rath > > Ji in one of his > > post; which was a reply to my post alongside my > > chart]. > > > > Note: Venus + Mars shows a virile person [interested > > in sexual > > gratification etc], however even this rule is not > > *de-facto* [from > > personal experience]. > > > > Perhaps, it is due to this Vimala Yoga, that I do > > not leave a topic > > unfinished or blindly follow any rules [even those > > of BPHS or Jamini > > Sutra]. I personally try to understand *WHY* the > > ancient Rhshis and > > Sages laid down the rules as they have. [Note: With > > all due respect, > > no offense meant to anyone]. > > > > In my opinion... > > > > I asked a simple question and guidance from any who > > would volunteer: > > > > The question being - > > > > If Mercury is in 12th house [Gemini], and if rising > > is Cancer, will > > the 3rd house [Virgo - also co-lorded by Mercury --- > > and 3rd house > > also considered Dusthana] suffer? > > > > I see no takers to my question [except Doug Reimer]. > > Do you? > > > > Furthermore on VRY...I have yet to see someone > > [except my own > > Diksha-Guru] explain the *Parivartana Yoga* INSIDE > > of a Vipareeta > > Raja Yoga alongside many other Yogas. > > > > Example [and let me select a complicated one]: > > > > 1) Rising [Ascendant] = Virgo > > 2) Saturn + Rahu = in Leo or 12th house > > 3) Sun + Ketu = in Aquarius or 6th house > > 4) Mars = in Aries or 8th house > > 4) Jupiter = in Sagittarius or 4th house > > 5) Moon + Venus = in Gemini or 10th house > > 5) Mercury = in Cancer or 11th house > > > > Of course... > > > > The above chart will have to be drawn by hand as the > > time-frame is > > unique. Also, the above chart is extremely > > complicated as there are > > several strong yogas in the chart [not just VRY or > > Parivartana] > > > > The above is *not* a chart of anyone I know. Simply > > that, such a > > configuration existed, will exist [in future] and > > someone [in human > > form] was born and will be born according to above > > configuration. > > > > Note: Mercury can *only* be one sign ahead, one sign > > behind, or in > > the same sign that Sun is. > > > > On the same count, Venus can *only* be two signs > > ahead, two signs > > behind or in the same sign that Sun is. > > > > I have taken extra precations to observe these rules > > in the chart > > illustrated above. > > > > End Note. > > > > Any takers to above? Many thanks in advance... > > > > With that... > > > > Please convey my best regards to all your loved ones > > ever and you all > > take care too. > > > > Special Note: > > > > I have received a barrage of private e-mails; > > ranging from people > > asking personal questions to concepts or theories or > > Jyotish. > > > > Please note that while I *never* turn anyone away or > > say no for that > > matter, *I am merely a humble shishya and not a > > Guru/Expert/Master*. > > > > While I will try my best to answer your e-mail(s), > > please allow me > > some time to respond. I am just an entrepreneur who > > is very > > interested in Jyotish and this is just my hobby and > > spiritual > > path-line. > > > > Many thanks for your kind attention. > > > > End Special Note. > > > > Om Namo Narayana > > > > Kind regards and best wishes, > > > > Ron > > > > vedic astrology, partha sarathy > > <partvinu5> wrote: > > > respected madam, > > > vipareeta yoga is formed when all the three > > dusthana > > > lords are connected to the dusthana other than > > those > > > of their own. viz 6th in 12th, 12th lord in 8th, > > 8th > > > lord in 6th. all the three conditions have to be > > > fulfilled. 6th in 6th gives harsha, 8th lord in > > 8th > > > gives sarala and 12th lord in 12th gives vimala > > yoga. > > > > > > regards > > > partha sarathy > > > > > > --- saraswathyvenkat@h... wrote: > > > > Respected List Members > > > > > > > > I have been following the posts on the vipareeta > > > > yoga and hope to get > > > > some guidance from you with regards to this. I > > am > > > > looking at a chart, > > > > date of birth 29 Nov 1970, Bombay at 7:50 am. > > > === message truncated === > > > > > Make a great connection at Personals. > http://personals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2001 Report Share Posted October 10, 2001 Hari Aum Tat Sat Dear Partha! There are some riders to the rules of VRY. When BV Raman said that VRY can be formed when a dusthana lord is in other dusthana, there is some truth in it. One can't ingore it outright. The riders are the even if the dusthana lords conjoin in any dusthana, they should be weak and if they are placed in Kendra they should be strongly placed. They should also have some connection with the Lagna/ atmakaraka to show their rise. However the overall strength of the horoscope and the strength of the Lagna, Sun and Moon determines, how much the person would rise. With VRY, a begger can also become the king of beggers, whereas a politician can become a chief minister. Regards Sarajit - "partha sarathy" <partvinu5 <vedic astrology> Cc: <ron Wednesday, October 10, 2001 9:06 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: vipareeta yoga - reply from partvinu > dear ron > well well well what do i see here. the assesment that > only two of the three dusthana lords can give vry. but > my dear freind vry is a rare yoga and very few have > it. the rule that the three dusthana lords should be > associated holds true. this is because i have seen > hundreds of charts where two dusthana lords being > associated with their counterparts and not giving vry. > raja yogas if manifested in full give extraordinary > results and ordinary mortals cannot claim to have > vry. > regards > partha sarathy > --- ron wrote: > > Om Krishna Guru > > --------------- > > > > Dear Partha and friends, Pranaam: > > > > With all due respect, I strongly disagree with your > > assessment below. > > > > Specifically on your wording: > > > > "vipareeta yoga is formed when all the three > > dusthana lords are > > connected to the dusthana other than those of their > > own" > > > > To re-iterate, it is *not* necessary for *all three > > dusthana* to be > > connected via aspects or conjoin or what have you. > > > > Two of the three dusthana lords in mutual > > relationship *already* > > triggers Vipareeta Raja Yoga. > > > > Perhaps respected Guruji(s) and experts will correct > > me if I am > > wrong. > > > > Unfortunately, until now; no one at this list has > > shown the eagerness > > or enthusiasm to go deep enough in the discussion > > regarding Vipareeta > > Raja Yoga that Doug Reimer and I started. > > > > I am thankful to Narasimha Ji for his reply on > > explaining the various > > yogas [formed by dusthana lords in their own > > house(s)]. However, his > > post, did not address the several combinations that > > can result in and > > from Vipareeta Raja Yoga. > > > > One can have a Vipareeta Raja Yoga [strong enough] > > and at the same > > time the above mentioned Yogas. > > > > For example, in my own chart [you can search it on > > this list], Venus > > in Taurus in 12th house of Rasi chart forms a Vimala > > [Pure] Yoga. But > > at the same time, Mars being in Taurus alongside > > Venus [and Mars > > being the lord of my 6th house] triggers a > > considerably strong > > Vipareeta Raja Yoga [already endorsed by Sanjay Rath > > Ji in one of his > > post; which was a reply to my post alongside my > > chart]. > > > > Note: Venus + Mars shows a virile person [interested > > in sexual > > gratification etc], however even this rule is not > > *de-facto* [from > > personal experience]. > > > > Perhaps, it is due to this Vimala Yoga, that I do > > not leave a topic > > unfinished or blindly follow any rules [even those > > of BPHS or Jamini > > Sutra]. I personally try to understand *WHY* the > > ancient Rhshis and > > Sages laid down the rules as they have. [Note: With > > all due respect, > > no offense meant to anyone]. > > > > In my opinion... > > > > I asked a simple question and guidance from any who > > would volunteer: > > > > The question being - > > > > If Mercury is in 12th house [Gemini], and if rising > > is Cancer, will > > the 3rd house [Virgo - also co-lorded by Mercury --- > > and 3rd house > > also considered Dusthana] suffer? > > > > I see no takers to my question [except Doug Reimer]. > > Do you? > > > > Furthermore on VRY...I have yet to see someone > > [except my own > > Diksha-Guru] explain the *Parivartana Yoga* INSIDE > > of a Vipareeta > > Raja Yoga alongside many other Yogas. > > > > Example [and let me select a complicated one]: > > > > 1) Rising [Ascendant] = Virgo > > 2) Saturn + Rahu = in Leo or 12th house > > 3) Sun + Ketu = in Aquarius or 6th house > > 4) Mars = in Aries or 8th house > > 4) Jupiter = in Sagittarius or 4th house > > 5) Moon + Venus = in Gemini or 10th house > > 5) Mercury = in Cancer or 11th house > > > > Of course... > > > > The above chart will have to be drawn by hand as the > > time-frame is > > unique. Also, the above chart is extremely > > complicated as there are > > several strong yogas in the chart [not just VRY or > > Parivartana] > > > > The above is *not* a chart of anyone I know. Simply > > that, such a > > configuration existed, will exist [in future] and > > someone [in human > > form] was born and will be born according to above > > configuration. > > > > Note: Mercury can *only* be one sign ahead, one sign > > behind, or in > > the same sign that Sun is. > > > > On the same count, Venus can *only* be two signs > > ahead, two signs > > behind or in the same sign that Sun is. > > > > I have taken extra precations to observe these rules > > in the chart > > illustrated above. > > > > End Note. > > > > Any takers to above? Many thanks in advance... > > > > With that... > > > > Please convey my best regards to all your loved ones > > ever and you all > > take care too. > > > > Special Note: > > > > I have received a barrage of private e-mails; > > ranging from people > > asking personal questions to concepts or theories or > > Jyotish. > > > > Please note that while I *never* turn anyone away or > > say no for that > > matter, *I am merely a humble shishya and not a > > Guru/Expert/Master*. > > > > While I will try my best to answer your e-mail(s), > > please allow me > > some time to respond. I am just an entrepreneur who > > is very > > interested in Jyotish and this is just my hobby and > > spiritual > > path-line. > > > > Many thanks for your kind attention. > > > > End Special Note. > > > > Om Namo Narayana > > > > Kind regards and best wishes, > > > > Ron > > > > vedic astrology, partha sarathy > > <partvinu5> wrote: > > > respected madam, > > > vipareeta yoga is formed when all the three > > dusthana > > > lords are connected to the dusthana other than > > those > > > of their own. viz 6th in 12th, 12th lord in 8th, > > 8th > > > lord in 6th. all the three conditions have to be > > > fulfilled. 6th in 6th gives harsha, 8th lord in > > 8th > > > gives sarala and 12th lord in 12th gives vimala > > yoga. > > > > > > regards > > > partha sarathy > > > > > > --- saraswathyvenkat@h... wrote: > > > > Respected List Members > > > > > > > > I have been following the posts on the vipareeta > > > > yoga and hope to get > > > > some guidance from you with regards to this. I > > am > > > > looking at a chart, > > > > date of birth 29 Nov 1970, Bombay at 7:50 am. > > > === message truncated === > > > > > Make a great connection at Personals. > http://personals. > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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