Guest guest Posted November 3, 2001 Report Share Posted November 3, 2001 The subject which i am discussing today has been discussed already many atimes by eminent astrologers and pundits. But i feel there is a lot of research yet to be done on the role of saturn in the realms of mundane astrology. Saturn is the planet who evokes awe and fear by laymen for vvarious reasons. Saturn is a planet of separative nergy. He is the planet of del;ays and frustration. Saturn is much maligned but one should not forget that he is a great spiritual teacher. He has the great prowess to unlock the mysteries of life's purpose. THose souls who run after materialistic lifes are given from time to tiem lessons by saturn which make them go towards a path of renunciation and attainment of nirvana. Saturn placed in differnt houses for different lagnas gives differnt results. He is a great benific for the taurus and libra ascendant natives. His placement in kendras and konas gives tremendous results if it is also placed in shubha vargas. For simha and kataka lagna natives saturn gives a lot of trouble due to his lordship. Some authors oppine that saturn in 3rd, 6th and 11th house is good and gives good results. But he gives troubles during travel, service and dealings due to the same placements. Saturn is a planet of rigor and research. He is the chief karaka for bondage, toiling, hardwork, law, farming, engineering, construction etc. Saturn gives tears and subsequent joy. He if placed in karma sthana can mean rise and fall which is unexpected and swift. In 7th he can give a wife who at least looks older to the native. In 8th he gives trouble to finances and makes the native suffer for his past karma. I would explain any queries related to this article. may god bless you all Regards partha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2001 Report Share Posted November 3, 2001 I believe myself that since Saturn is the most distant planet it has also the least effect. Naisargika Bala (natural strength) is by far the lowest. I think myself it's interesting that Cheshta Bala happens to be strongest when the planet in question is closest to Earth (which happens when it's retrograde). In 1989 when the Berlin Wall fell Venus and Jupiter were close simultaneously while Mars was far away and Saturn receding. On the other hand I must say I'm not sure I have full confidence in all the shadbala calculations of JH Lite. At least Ayana Bala seems to be too high for the Sun. I have compared it to three other software, and in general they seem to give different results. (Goravani has same value for Ayana, but it's compensation for not having anything in Chestha Bala for the Sun.) Regarding Chestha otherwise Goravani and JH Lite seem to agree, while PL2000 and Shri Jyoti Star seem to agree more with each other. Maybe someone knows if this calculation is described in detail somewhere? > But i feel there is a lot of research yet to be done on the role of > saturn in the realms of mundane astrology. Saturn is the planet who > evokes awe and fear by laymen for vvarious reasons. Saturn is a > planet of separative nergy. He is the planet of del;ays and > frustration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2001 Report Share Posted November 5, 2001 Hi Partha, As Sa is a RYK for Taurus and Libra ascendants could you also explain somthing as regards to the 71/2 years (saade saathi) effects (Transit effects). will they be different or will be same as regards other ascendants.? Thanks and with best regards L Brahma >partvinu5 >vedic astrology >vedic astrology >[vedic astrology] SATURN (Article) >Sat, 03 Nov 2001 13:11:59 -0000 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Originating-IP: 203.90.93.84 >Received: from [216.115.96.68] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >MHotMailBDAD36F6005740043155D8736044DD38221; Sat, 03 Nov 2001 05:13:45 >-0800 >Received: from [10.1.1.221] by n18. with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2001 >13:12:05 -0000 >Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 3 Nov 2001 13:12:01 -0000 >Received: (qmail 64892 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2001 13:12:01 -0000 >Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m3.grp.snv. with QMQP; >3 Nov 2001 13:12:01 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO n24.) (216.115.96.74) by >mta3.grp.snv. with SMTP; 3 Nov 2001 13:12:01 -0000 >Received: from [10.1.10.66] by n24. with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2001 >13:12:01 -0000 >From sentto-1229044-7005-1004793122-lbrahma Sat, 03 Nov 2001 05:15:05 -0800 >X-eGroups-Return: >sentto-1229044-7005-1004793122-lbrahma=hotmail.com >X-Sender: partvinu5 >X-Apparently-vedic astrology >X-eGroups-Return: partvinu5 >Message-ID: <9s0qev+fb36 (AT) eGroups (DOT) com> >User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 >X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster >X--Profile: partvinu5 >Mailing-List: list vedic astrology; contact >vedic astrology-owner >Delivered-mailing list vedic astrology >Precedence: bulk >List-Un: <vedic astrology> > >The subject which i am discussing today has been discussed already >many atimes by eminent astrologers and pundits. > But i feel there is a lot of research yet to be done on the role of >saturn in the realms of mundane astrology. Saturn is the planet who >evokes awe and fear by laymen for vvarious reasons. Saturn is a >planet of separative nergy. He is the planet of del;ays and >frustration. >Saturn is much maligned but one should not forget that he is a great >spiritual teacher. He has the great prowess to unlock the mysteries >of life's purpose. THose souls who run after materialistic lifes are >given from time to tiem lessons by saturn which make them go towards >a path of renunciation and attainment of nirvana. >Saturn placed in differnt houses for different lagnas gives differnt >results. >He is a great benific for the taurus and libra ascendant natives. His >placement in kendras and konas gives tremendous results if it is also >placed in shubha vargas. >For simha and kataka lagna natives saturn gives a lot of trouble due >to his lordship. Some authors oppine that saturn in 3rd, 6th and 11th >house is good and gives good results. But he gives troubles during >travel, service and dealings due to the same placements. >Saturn is a planet of rigor and research. He is the chief karaka for >bondage, toiling, hardwork, law, farming, engineering, construction >etc. >Saturn gives tears and subsequent joy. He if placed in karma sthana >can mean rise and fall which is unexpected and swift. >In 7th he can give a wife who at least looks older to the native. >In 8th he gives trouble to finances and makes the native suffer for >his past karma. >I would explain any queries related to this article. > > may god bless you all >Regards >partha > > > > _______________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2001 Report Share Posted November 6, 2001 Respected Mr. Iyer, Namaste. I have a little doubt. You have written that Saturn is natural indicator of 6H. But it is the lord of 10H & 11H of natural zodiac-then how it can be natural indicator of 6H? Regards, Dasgupta - Narayan Iyer vedic astrology Tuesday, November 06, 2001 8:50 PM [vedic astrology] Re: SATURN (Article)(dear L Brahma) Sri Sri Jaya JagannathaDear Partha, Balaji & Brahma,The reason why Saturn in 12H gives VRY is because Saturn is natural indicator of the 6H...and hence gives VRY in 12H!!!!Regards-Narayanvedic astrology, "lakshman jagannath" <lbrahma@h...> wrote:> > Dear Visti & Partha,> Yes Sa for Ta is a RYK and if placed in 12th gives a strong VRY. Shri rathji > in his book COVA has explained the example of mr.K karunakaran where you can > see the Functioning of VRY.( He is Ta ascendant with Sa in 12th.)> My question is during saade sathi which begins when Sa is in 12th from mo.> My chart is a unique in its way. I have Ta Lagna with Sa placed in > 7th(Scorpio). I also have Mo in Ge.hence when Sa was transiting 12th, It was > actually 11th from mo. Now Sa is in Ta, aspecting natal sa. but being in > 12th from Mo, it has given rise to some worries. But I need to see the > effects.My question was whether it will be as severe as in other cases or > Mild being a strong RYK for Ta Lagna.> Thanks and with best regards> > L Brahma> > > > > >partvinu5> > vedic astrology> >vedic astrology> >[vedic astrology] Re: SATURN (Article)(dear L Brahma)> >Tue, 06 Nov 2001 05:21:19 -0000> >MIME-Version: 1.0> >X-Originating-IP: 203.90.93.84> >Received: from [216.115.96.68] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id > >MHotMailBDB0BEA9009940043209D8736044832E28; Mon, 05 Nov 2001 21:23:28 -0800> >Received: from [10.1.4.56] by n18. with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2001 > >05:21:25 -0000> >Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 6 Nov 2001 05:21:22 -0000> >Received: (qmail 32673 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2001 05:21:22 -0000> >Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m12.grp.snv. with > >QMQP; 6 Nov 2001 05:21:22 -0000> >Received: from unknown (HELO n5.) (216.115.96.55) by > >mta2.grp.snv. with SMTP; 6 Nov 2001 05:21:20 -0000> >Received: from [10.1.10.93] by n5. with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2001 > >05:21:20 -0000> >From sentto-1229044-7073-1005024083-lbrahma Mon, 05 Nov 2001 21:23:44 -0800> >X-eGroups-Return: > >sentto-1229044-7073-1005024083-lbrahma=hotmail.com@r...> >X-Sender: partvinu5> >X-Apparently-vedic astrology> >X-eGroups-Return: partvinu5> >Message-ID: <9s7s0f+k1ng@e...>> >In-<F175V3lP7aVh4MC8dtJ00021370@h...>> >User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82> >X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster> >X--Profile: partvinu5> >Mailing-List: list vedic astrology; contact > >vedic astrology-owner> >Delivered-mailing list vedic astrology> >Precedence: bulk> >List-Un: <vedic astrology->> >> >> >dear L brahma> >even for libra and taurus ascendants saturn should be well placed. he> >should not be afflicted and badly placed!> >though i must confess that for libra and taurus ascendants saturn> >does less harm than other ascendants as saturn is a great friend of> >venus, the lagna lord for libra nad taurus ascendants.> >regards> >partha> >> >vedic astrology, "lakshman jagannath" <lbrahma@h...>> >wrote:> > > Hi Partha,> > > As Sa is a RYK for Taurus and Libra ascendants could you also> >explain> > > somthing as regards to the 71/2 years (saade saathi) effects> >(Transit> > > effects). will they be different or will be same as regards other> > > ascendants.?> > >> > > Thanks and with best regards> > >> > > L Brahma> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > partvinu5> > > >vedic astrology> > > >To: vedic astrology> > > >[vedic astrology] SATURN (Article)> > > >Sat, 03 Nov 2001 13:11:59 -0000> > > >MIME-Version: 1.0> > > >X-Originating-IP: 203.90.93.84> > > >Received: from [216.115.96.68] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id> > > >MHotMailBDAD36F6005740043155D8736044DD38221; Sat, 03 Nov 2001> >05:13:45> > > >-0800> > > >Received: from [10.1.1.221] by n18. with NNFMP; 03> >Nov 2001> > > >13:12:05 -0000> > > >Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 3 Nov 2001 13:12:01 -0000> > > >Received: (qmail 64892 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2001 13:12:01 -> >0000> > > >Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m3.grp.snv.> >with QMQP;> > > >3 Nov 2001 13:12:01 -0000> > > >Received: from unknown (HELO n24.)> >(216.115.96.74) by> > > >mta3.grp.snv. with SMTP; 3 Nov 2001 13:12:01 -0000> > > >Received: from [10.1.10.66] by n24. with NNFMP; 03> >Nov 2001> > > >13:12:01 -0000> > > >From sentto-1229044-7005-1004793122-lbrahma Sat, 03 Nov 2001> >05:15:05 -0800> > > >X-eGroups-Return:> > > >sentto-1229044-7005-1004793122-lbrahma=hotmail.com@r...> > > >X-Sender: partvinu5> > > >X-Apparently-vedic astrology> > > >X-eGroups-Return: partvinu5> > > >Message-ID: <9s0qev+fb36@e...>> > > >User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82> > > >X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster> > > >X--Profile: partvinu5> > > >Mailing-List: list vedic astrology; contact> > > >vedic astrology-owner> > > >Delivered-mailing list vedic astrology> > > >Precedence: bulk> > > >List-Un: <vedic astrology->> > > >> > > >The subject which i am discussing today has been discussed already> > > >many atimes by eminent astrologers and pundits.> > > > But i feel there is a lot of research yet to be done on the role> >of> > > >saturn in the realms of mundane astrology. Saturn is the planet who> > > >evokes awe and fear by laymen for vvarious reasons. Saturn is a> > > >planet of separative nergy. He is the planet of del;ays and> > > >frustration.> > > >Saturn is much maligned but one should not forget that he is a> >great> > > >spiritual teacher. He has the great prowess to unlock the mysteries> > > >of life's purpose. THose souls who run after materialistic lifes> >are> > > >given from time to tiem lessons by saturn which make them go> >towards> > > >a path of renunciation and attainment of nirvana.> > > >Saturn placed in differnt houses for different lagnas gives> >differnt> > > >results.> > > >He is a great benific for the taurus and libra ascendant natives.> >His> > > >placement in kendras and konas gives tremendous results if it is> >also> > > >placed in shubha vargas.> > > >For simha and kataka lagna natives saturn gives a lot of trouble> >due> > > >to his lordship. Some authors oppine that saturn in 3rd, 6th and> >11th> > > >house is good and gives good results. But he gives troubles during> > > >travel, service and dealings due to the same placements.> > > >Saturn is a planet of rigor and research. He is the chief karaka> >for> > > >bondage, toiling, hardwork, law, farming, engineering, construction> > > >etc.> > > >Saturn gives tears and subsequent joy. He if placed in karma sthana> > > >can mean rise and fall which is unexpected and swift.> > > >In 7th he can give a wife who at least looks older to the native.> > > >In 8th he gives trouble to finances and makes the native suffer for> > > >his past karma.> > > >I would explain any queries related to this article.> > > >> > > > may god bless you all> > > >Regards> > > >partha> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > _______________> > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at> >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp> >> > > _______________> Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.aspArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2001 Report Share Posted November 6, 2001 HI, SANI IS ayush karaka but also rules miseries of kalapurusha - sickness is one of them no doubt. There is also Mars who is an indicator of 6th house because he rules over enemies. I FEEL Narayan is right atleast partly. --- "J.K.Dasgupta" <jkdasgupta_in wrote: > Respected Mr. Iyer, > > Namaste. > > I have a little doubt. You have written that Saturn > is natural indicator of 6H. But it is the lord of > 10H & 11H of natural zodiac-then how it can be > natural indicator of 6H? > > Regards, > > Dasgupta > - > Narayan Iyer > vedic astrology > Tuesday, November 06, 2001 8:50 PM > [vedic astrology] Re: SATURN > (Article)(dear L Brahma) > > > Sri Sri Jaya Jagannatha > > Dear Partha, Balaji & Brahma, > > The reason why Saturn in 12H gives VRY is because > Saturn is natural > indicator of the 6H...and hence gives VRY in > 12H!!!! > > Regards > -Narayan > > > > vedic astrology, "lakshman jagannath" > <lbrahma@h...> > wrote: > > > > Dear Visti & Partha, > > Yes Sa for Ta is a RYK and if placed in 12th > gives a strong VRY. > Shri rathji > > in his book COVA has explained the example of > mr.K karunakaran > where you can > > see the Functioning of VRY.( He is Ta ascendant > with Sa in 12th.) > > My question is during saade sathi which begins > when Sa is in 12th > from mo. > > My chart is a unique in its way. I have Ta Lagna > with Sa placed in > > 7th(Scorpio). I also have Mo in Ge.hence when Sa > was transiting > 12th, It was > > actually 11th from mo. Now Sa is in Ta, > aspecting natal sa. but > being in > > 12th from Mo, it has given rise to some worries. > But I need to see > the > > effects.My question was whether it will be as > severe as in other > cases or > > Mild being a strong RYK for Ta Lagna. > > Thanks and with best regards > > > > L Brahma > > > > > > > > > > >partvinu5 > > >vedic astrology > > >vedic astrology > > >[vedic astrology] Re: SATURN > (Article)(dear L Brahma) > > >Tue, 06 Nov 2001 05:21:19 -0000 > > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > > >X-Originating-IP: 203.90.93.84 > > >Received: from [216.115.96.68] by hotmail.com > (3.2) with ESMTP id > > >MHotMailBDB0BEA9009940043209D8736044832E28; > Mon, 05 Nov 2001 > 21:23:28 -0800 > > >Received: from [10.1.4.56] by > n18. with NNFMP; 06 > Nov 2001 > > >05:21:25 -0000 > > >Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 6 Nov 2001 > 05:21:22 -0000 > > >Received: (qmail 32673 invoked from network); 6 > Nov 2001 05:21:22 - > 0000 > > >Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by > m12.grp.snv. > with > > >QMQP; 6 Nov 2001 05:21:22 -0000 > > >Received: from unknown (HELO > n5.) 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