Lagna vs Chandra-Vimshottari(Nimmi)

November 5, 2001

Vyam Vysadevaya Namaha!

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Hi Nimmi,

I agree fully with the scheme of emoional vs rationale, which is probably what i

was aiming at with the Moon vs Lagna.

But lets get back to, whether the lagna-vimshottari shows the will of the native.

We allready have adopted the scheme of the Sudarshana Chakra, where the overall

indications come from Sun. The Moon shows the ones we meet, and the Lagna shows

our decissions making ability.. As we allready know.

Now, the starting point of Vimshottari is one thing, and shows the pre-disposition of the native.

The judgement of the events and decissions is another scheme, and cannot be

integrated in the same way.

I.e. just because the person is predisposed towards emotional thinking, why

would they're actions be much clearer with Lagna-Vimshottari? Rather you'd find

that the persons predisposition, shows their actions much clearer. Hence the

reason that Lagna-Vimshottari works better for some, as does

Chandra-Vimshottari for some.

I like this discussion, looks like we're getting closer to a conclussion.. do you feel the same?

What about Horas? Some people have lagna in Moons Hora, and some in Suns? This

must have some significance.

Best wishes, Visti.

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Nimmi Ragavan

vedic astrology

Sunday, November 04, 2001 9:45 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] Nimmi's painting and dasas

Dear Visti,The mind has different aspects. There is the manas, and the bhuthi.

Thesecorrespond to the emotional self and the rational self. It is quite

commonto find these at odds in the same person.But beyond this there is also

the will, or if you like the choice of focus.The act of making a choice, I

think that is where the will manifests itself.I think there is a third actor in

the drama. Otherwise freewill has nomeaning, it just becomes a weighting process

based on the reactions of theemotional and rational minds.Regards,Nimmi-----

Original Message -----"Visti Larsen" <in_joy_i_scream >To:

<vedic astrology>Sunday, November 04, 2001 1:26

PMRe: [vedic astrology] Nimmi's painting and dasas>> Vyam Vysadevaya

Namaha!> -------> Dear Nimmi,> Surely these

times of great mental distress would be> indicated by an evil influence on the

Moon.>> How can you go against what the mind wants? You cannot> make a

decission if the mind doesn't want it. It may> go against some significant

cravings, but without the> mind there is no action. Keep in mind that all>

decissions are made in the mind.>> Do you agree?> Best wishes, Visti.>> ---

Nimmi Ragavan <106350.3660 (AT) compuserve (DOT) com> wrote:> > Dear Visti,> >> > The moon

is swayed by emotions. But sometimes in> > life the will takes over> > and takes

a hard cold look at what the mind is> > craving (manas). And it> > sometimes

decides to go against what the mind wants.> > As I see it there is> > the manas

(moon) that desires and buddhi (merc/juo)> > that thinks and will> > (lagna)

that acts. I suspect that depending on the> > influence on lagna and> > lord,

the actions will be determined. If the> > influene is that of th AK, then> > I

suspect the actions will be oriented towards the> > souls desire. I notice> >

this is true where lagna lord is also AK.> >> > Best wishes,> >> > Nimmi> >> >>

> -> > "Visti Larsen"

<in_joy_i_scream >> > <vedic astrology>> > Sent:

Sunday, November 04, 2001 11:15 AM> > Re: [vedic astrology] Nimmi's

painting and> > dasas> >> >> > >> > > Vyam Vysadevaya Namaha!> > >

---------------> > > Dear Nimmi,> > > By Will

do you mean: Natural Inclination(Dharma> > > Trikona in Navamsa) or

Desire(7th), or maybe souls> > > desire(Chara Atmakaraka)?> > >> > > Either

way, i wouldn't agree that Vimshottari from> > > Lagna, would differ from

Vimshottari from Moon in> > this> > > special regard.. Don't you need a

mind(moon) to> > make> > > your actions(lagna) manifest?> > > Do you see the

Sudarshana Chakra now?> > >> > > But Vimshottari dasa is good for seeing the> >

persons> > > desires in general.> > >> > > When the person seeks to make these

desires> > manifest> > > is seen from the PratyAntar Dasa.> > > When it will

manifest depends on the Sookshma> > Dasa.> > >> > > Whether it will manifest

depends on the Maha> > > Dasa(Overall circumstances) and the Antar Dasa(The> >

> people we meet).> > >> > > Best wishes, Visti.> > >> > > --- Nimmi Ragavan

<106350.3660 (AT) compuserve (DOT) com>> > wrote:> > > > Dear Visti,> > > >> > > > Would

you say that the lagna is also to some> > extent> > > > indicative of the

will?> > > > I have noticed that vargottama lagna (myself> > > > included)

tends to create> > > > rather stubborn individuals. To that extent> > would> >

> > the Vimshottri reflect> > > > that?> > > >> > > > Best wishes,> > > >> > >

> Nimmi> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > -> > > >

"Visti Larsen" <in_joy_i_scream >> > > > To:

<vedic astrology>> > > > Saturday, November 03, 2001

12:38 PM> > > > Re: [vedic astrology] Nimmi's painting> > and> > > >

dasas> > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > > Vyam Vysadevaya Namaha!> > > > >

---------> > > > > Dear Sanjiv,> > > > > I

thought i gave alot of clues to this> > > > > Vimshottari-variation, in my

mail.> > > > >> > > > > In the Srimad Bhagavatam, the Subtle senses> > are> > >

> > described as; "Mind, Intelligence,> > Consciousness,> > > > > etc".> > > > >

Vimshottari From Moon comes closely under> > Mind,> > > > whilst> > > > > from

Lagna comes under intelligence.> > > > >> > > > > When one reacts to ones

surroundings from the> > > > > Mind/emotional point of view, then Moon is> > >

> probably> > > > > strong than Lagna(brain).> > > > > Best wishes, Visti.> > >

> >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > --- Sanjiv Aggarwal/CanWest/IBM> > > >

<sanjiv (AT) ca (DOT) ibm.com>> > > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Well, another great

discussion.... we learn> > > > about> > > > > > yet another of the dasas.> > >

> > >> > > > > > However, I am little confused or the> > confusion> > > >

still> > > > > > hasn't been cleared.> > > > > > I suppose Nimmi brought up the

point that> > > > whether> > > > > > Vimshottari from Lagna> > > > > > will show

the actual manifestation or not.> > It> > > > is a> > > > > > great theoretical>

> > > > > question. I have not heard the answer in> > black> > > > and> > > > >

> white terms yet.> > > > > >> > > > > > Furthermore, there is this confusion

about> > when> > > > to> > > > > > use Vimshottari from> > > > > > Moon ,

Lagna, etc... Some have stated to> > > > calculate> > > > > > the stronger but

what> > > > > > if the strength is also similar i.e. Lagna,> > > > Chandra> > >

> > > Lagna, and Arudha lagna> > > > > > are all Vargottam.... This is not a>

> > > hypothetical> > > > > > question....> > > > > >> > > > > > I suppose one

can answer that hence the use> > of> > > > > > Narayan Dasha..... but is> > >

> > > that answer sufficient and should one accept> > it> > > > just> > > > > >

because....> > > > > > (Narasimha, I know you have not said this;> > > >

neither> > > > > > am I writing this email> > > > > > in response to yours; I

am just trying to> > move> > > > the> > > > > > dialogue forward in the> > > >

> > discussion.....)> > > > > >> > > > > > I know that the efficacy of Narayan

Dasha> > has> > > > been> > > > > > demonstrated many times> > > > > > over; I

am neither questioning the efficacy> > nor> > > > does> > > > > > anyone need

to prove> > > > > > me (I am convinced) but similarly the> > efficacy> > > >

of> > > > > > Vimshottari also is> > > > > > undisputable. The question is not

asking> > for> > > > > > comparisons between the two> > > > > > dasas and

therefore the answer should> > refrain> > > > from> > > > > > doing so.> > > >

> >> > > > > > The question merely is that theoretically> > it> > > > makes> >

> > > > sense that Vimshottari> > > > > > calculated from Moon should show the

effects> > of> > > > > > Manas; but then why> > > > > > shouldn't Vimshottari

calculated from Lagna> > show> > > > the> >> === message truncated ===>>>

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November 5, 2001

Dear Visti,

Yes I do feel we are close to something that is just tantalisingly out of sight!

Can we way that the Chandra Vimshottri reflects the mind state(I would agree),

and the Lagna Vimshottri actions taken? Lagna also stands for self expression I

think. So this could also show the direction of self expression, and Venus dasa

would then indicate self expression using art, possibly.

Weak ascendants dont necessarily make one less rational, but they do reduce

confidence and the will to take independent action, I find. Strong ascendants

dont necessarily make one more rational (I should know, I have one!) just more

inclined to take your own decisions and less inclined to seek advice.

If a chart has a strong rational basis but a weak ascendant, a tendency to avoid

acting independently seems to be true.

Best wishes,

Nimmi

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Visti Larsen

vedic astrology

Monday, November 05, 2001 6:29 PM

[vedic astrology] Lagna vs Chandra-Vimshottari(Nimmi)