Swami Vivekenanda's Navamsa Lagna error in calculation

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dear dear visti

i was probably arguing unnecessarily when all i had to do was tell

you that the number of hours you had used for g.m.t calculation was

incorrect.it is 5 hours 53 minutes precisely and not 6 hours 30 east

of GMT -that you had used . Sorry but there is an error brother.

regards

partha

 

 

vedic astrology, "Visti Larsen" <in_joy_i_scream>

wrote:

> Vyam Vysadevaya Namaha!

> --

-

> Dear Partha,

> I'm giving my analysis of both Navamsa Lagna's bellow:

>

> Vrischika Lagnamsa.

> ---------------------

> Guru joining Vrischika Lagnamsa, gives knowledge of the vedas, good

grammar,

> and a philosopher.

> Buhdda gives Rasi Dristi on Lagnamsa, giving strong writing skills.

> Shukra exalted in trines gives artistic and poetic ability.

>

> Ketu and Rahu also give Rasi Dristi, as Rahu gives a Duryoga,

tainting the

> skills. Ketu gives strong mathematical precission, and with Guru in

Lagna,

> this creates an astrologer of very strong precission.

>

> Rahu in 3rd shows a person who carries a weapon.. i.e. a person who

uses

> force to get what they want.

>

> Lagnamsa in 12th from Karakamsa, makes up for a very spiritual

person. Lord

> of Karakamsa; Guru joins Lagnamsa showing rise later on in life,

but born in

> family of normal wealth.

>

> Kanya Lagnamsa.

> --------------------

> Kanya recieves Rasi dristi from; Karakamsa, Ravi, Shukra & Chanda.

> Karakamsa's aspect gives birth in noble family.

> Ravi's aspect gives knowledge of the Vedas and the Bhagavad Gita.

> Shukra's aspect gives strong artistic and poetic traits,

> Chandra's aspects gives knowledge of Sankya Shastra and Yoga

philosophies,

> besides history or produces a singer.

>

> Guru in 3rd from Lagnamsa, shows a peaceful person, who reads the

vedas.

>

> Sani, Mangal & Rahu in trines produces someone with knowledge of

tantra &

> yantra, and one who can cast spells.

>

> Lagnamsa in 10th from Karakamsa, shows his souls desire to work hard

> (karmayogi). Saturn in trines to Lagnamsa, proves his strength as

one who

> has to work hard in his life, to achieve his souls desire.

> Moon in 10th from Lagnamsa, indicates his work with Yoga or singing.

>

> Better?

> Best wishes, Visti.

>

> -

> partvinu5

> vedic astrology

> Monday, November 19, 2001 2:10 PM

> [vedic astrology] Re: Swami Vivekenanda's Navamsa Lagna

>

>

> DEAR VISTI

>

> Your analysis is good but i feel that you had given a theoretical

> explanation rather than how and why of vrischika navamsa.

> i would ask you simple questions

> a) What does Vrischika stand for exactly, many have agreed that

it is

> one of the most important signs for spirituality. as i had said

> earlier the manifestation of ones dharma in a postive way in

society

> would come only through the divine support.

> b) Let us take a small example , jupiter in 12th ,say for thula

> lagna , or jupiter retrograde say for sagittarius lagna, does it

> indicate blessings of the god? i would say no. simply because

guru is

> the planet which stands for knowledge of upanishads, vedic

knowledge

> and strong sense (higher plane) of the unknown(god) cannot give

the

> results for these poor chaps including me.

> c) probably i am going of the tangent but kindly go to the site of

> ramakrishna mission(type vivekananda or ramakrishna mission in

google)

> As you had said earlier that you had not seen Swamijis

photograph ,

> kindly go to these sites and see his majestic personality, and

read

> if not articles , atleast some extracts from his speeches to

> understand that guru is definetely the most powerful planet and

he is

> in vrischika navamsa.

>

> d) you had quoted Jaimini sutras , but could you kindly explain me

> what would be the differnce if guru is third from kanya navamsa ,

> and what would be the effect if guru is in vrischika navamsa.

> then we could get some clarity.

>

> regards

> partha

>

> vedic astrology, "Visti Larsen" <in_joy_i_scream>

> wrote:

> > Vyam Vysadevaya Namaha!

> > ----------------

> > Hi Partha,

> >

> > Replies to your comments bellow;

> >

> > a) vrischika is the 8th house of the natural zodiac and is also

> known for

> > spirituality, occultism and the hidden secrets of the universe.

> >

> > Ok... well i know a few astrologers with Navamsa Lagna in

Taurus.

> Narasimha

> > Rao is one of them. Sanjay Rath, actually has his Navamsa Lagna

in

> Scorp.

> >

> > b) navamsa stands for the dharma of the person in the society.

> >

> > Yes.

> >

> > now swamiji was a great guru and a great philosopher.

> > c) he was born in a well to do family also.

> > d) if navamsa lagna is to be kanya as per your argument then he

> > should have been an astrologer, writer, accountant or a banker

and

> not a

> > great spiritual teacher.

> >

> > You know well enough that a persons profession, isn't

exclusively

> determined

> > by ones natural abilities. It looks like your mixing; "Karma in

> Soceity" &

> > "Dharma in Soceity".. The former indicates ones work, whilst the

> latter

> > indicates ones approach.

> >

> > e) guru in navamsa lagna in vrischika gives him tremendous yogic

> > power and fame.it also explains the fact that he felt for the

needy

> > and the poor.

> >

> > Guru has nothing todo with fame, why would it give that?

> > Moon is the giver of fame, if we should give such a basis.

> >

> > I'm referring to 3 slokas by Jaimini, which explains Kanya

Lagnamsa.

> > Jaimini's Upadesa: Sloka 1.2.83:

> > "If two malefics are in trines (to Swamsa) the native gains

> expertise in

> > spells(mantra) and occult knowledge."

> >

> > Jaimini's Upadesa: Sloka 1.2.85:

> > "The malefics in trines, when aspected by benefics gives

expertise

> in white

> > magic".

> >

> > Jaimini's Upadesa: Sloka; 3.1.26:

> > "If Karakamsa joins the Lagnamsa, the native hails from a noble

> family."

> > Adding to this, the more benefics that aspect/join the

Karakamsa,

> the higher

> > the status of the native at birth.

> >

> > With Kanya Lagnamsa, Karakamsa is Dhanus, and gives Rasi dristi

on

> Kanya.

> > Also 3 malefics are in trines to Kanya indicating his yogic

> abilities.

> >

> > Mars = Brahmastra, Saturn = knowledge of the dead, Rahu =

knowledge

> of

> > potions/immortality.

> > Jupiter gives Graha and rasi dristi on all the malefics.

> >

> > Hope this helps,

> > Best wishes, Visti.

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Vyam Vysadevaya Namaha!

-------

Dear Partha,

 

Very well; Timezone: 5:53, Birthtime: 5:59 AM.

 

The birthtime has no significance, as long as it

reveals the truth.

 

Best wishes, Visti.

 

--- partvinu5 wrote:

> dear dear visti

> i was probably arguing unnecessarily when all i had

> to do was tell

> you that the number of hours you had used for g.m.t

> calculation was

> incorrect.it is 5 hours 53 minutes precisely and not

> 6 hours 30 east

> of GMT -that you had used . Sorry but there is an

> error brother.

> regards

> partha

>

>

> vedic astrology, "Visti Larsen"

> <in_joy_i_scream>

> wrote:

> > Vyam Vysadevaya Namaha!

> >

>

--

> -

> > Dear Partha,

> > I'm giving my analysis of both Navamsa Lagna's

> bellow:

> >

> > Vrischika Lagnamsa.

> > ---------------------

> > Guru joining Vrischika Lagnamsa, gives knowledge

> of the vedas, good

> grammar,

> > and a philosopher.

> > Buhdda gives Rasi Dristi on Lagnamsa, giving

> strong writing skills.

> > Shukra exalted in trines gives artistic and poetic

> ability.

> >

> > Ketu and Rahu also give Rasi Dristi, as Rahu gives

> a Duryoga,

> tainting the

> > skills. Ketu gives strong mathematical precission,

> and with Guru in

> Lagna,

> > this creates an astrologer of very strong

> precission.

> >

> > Rahu in 3rd shows a person who carries a weapon..

> i.e. a person who

> uses

> > force to get what they want.

> >

> > Lagnamsa in 12th from Karakamsa, makes up for a

> very spiritual

> person. Lord

> > of Karakamsa; Guru joins Lagnamsa showing rise

> later on in life,

> but born in

> > family of normal wealth.

> >

> > Kanya Lagnamsa.

> > --------------------

> > Kanya recieves Rasi dristi from; Karakamsa, Ravi,

> Shukra & Chanda.

> > Karakamsa's aspect gives birth in noble family.

> > Ravi's aspect gives knowledge of the Vedas and the

> Bhagavad Gita.

> > Shukra's aspect gives strong artistic and poetic

> traits,

> > Chandra's aspects gives knowledge of Sankya

> Shastra and Yoga

> philosophies,

> > besides history or produces a singer.

> >

> > Guru in 3rd from Lagnamsa, shows a peaceful

> person, who reads the

> vedas.

> >

> > Sani, Mangal & Rahu in trines produces someone

> with knowledge of

> tantra &

> > yantra, and one who can cast spells.

> >

> > Lagnamsa in 10th from Karakamsa, shows his souls

> desire to work hard

> > (karmayogi). Saturn in trines to Lagnamsa, proves

> his strength as

> one who

> > has to work hard in his life, to achieve his souls

> desire.

> > Moon in 10th from Lagnamsa, indicates his work

> with Yoga or singing.

> >

> > Better?

> > Best wishes, Visti.

> >

> > -

> > partvinu5

> > vedic astrology

> > Monday, November 19, 2001 2:10 PM

> > [vedic astrology] Re: Swami

> Vivekenanda's Navamsa Lagna

> >

> >

> > DEAR VISTI

> >

> > Your analysis is good but i feel that you had

> given a theoretical

> > explanation rather than how and why of vrischika

> navamsa.

> > i would ask you simple questions

> > a) What does Vrischika stand for exactly, many

> have agreed that

> it is

> > one of the most important signs for

> spirituality. as i had said

> > earlier the manifestation of ones dharma in a

> postive way in

> society

> > would come only through the divine support.

> > b) Let us take a small example , jupiter in 12th

> ,say for thula

> > lagna , or jupiter retrograde say for

> sagittarius lagna, does it

> > indicate blessings of the god? i would say no.

> simply because

> guru is

> > the planet which stands for knowledge of

> upanishads, vedic

> knowledge

> > and strong sense (higher plane) of the

> unknown(god) cannot give

> the

> > results for these poor chaps including me.

> > c) probably i am going of the tangent but kindly

> go to the site of

> > ramakrishna mission(type vivekananda or

> ramakrishna mission in

> google)

> > As you had said earlier that you had not seen

> Swamijis

> photograph ,

> > kindly go to these sites and see his majestic

> personality, and

> read

> > if not articles , atleast some extracts from his

> speeches to

> > understand that guru is definetely the most

> powerful planet and

> he is

> > in vrischika navamsa.

> >

> > d) you had quoted Jaimini sutras , but could you

> kindly explain me

> > what would be the differnce if guru is third

> from kanya navamsa ,

> > and what would be the effect if guru is in

> vrischika navamsa.

> > then we could get some clarity.

> >

> > regards

> > partha

> >

> > vedic astrology, "Visti Larsen"

> <in_joy_i_scream>

> > wrote:

> > > Vyam Vysadevaya Namaha!

> > >

> ----------------

> > > Hi Partha,

> > >

> > > Replies to your comments bellow;

> > >

> > > a) vrischika is the 8th house of the natural

> zodiac and is also

> > known for

> > > spirituality, occultism and the hidden secrets

> of the universe.

> > >

> > > Ok... well i know a few astrologers with

> Navamsa Lagna in

> Taurus.

> > Narasimha

> > > Rao is one of them. Sanjay Rath, actually has

> his Navamsa Lagna

> in

> > Scorp.

> > >

> > > b) navamsa stands for the dharma of the person

> in the society.

> > >

> > > Yes.

> > >

> > > now swamiji was a great guru and a great

> philosopher.

> > > c) he was born in a well to do family also.

> > > d) if navamsa lagna is to be kanya as per your

> argument then he

> > > should have been an astrologer, writer,

> accountant or a banker

> and

> > not a

> > > great spiritual teacher.

> > >

>

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DEAR DEAR VISTI

SHALL I SEND THE BIRTH CHART THAT YOU HAD GIVEN TO ME TO THE WHOLE

GROUP. WHAT SHOULD I DO NOW WHEN YOU ARE CHANGING THE BRITH TIME JUST

TO SUPPORT YOUR ARGUMENTS.

YOU HAD EARLIER GIVEN THIS DETAILS

DATE: 12TH JAN 1863

TIME: 6 35 AM

TIME ZONE: 6 30 EAST OF GMT.

YOU HAVE TO CHANGE THE TIME ZONE TO 5 53 AS THE BIRTH PLACE IS IN

INDIA AND NOT IN CHINA(LAUGHS).yOU JUST CANNOT CHANGE THE BIRTH TIME

FROM 6 30 AM TO 5 59 AM. HOW WHIMSICAL.

SWAMIJI WAS AN INDIAN AND NOT CHINESE BROHTER. I HAVE TOLD YOU TO

CHANGE THE TIME ZONE WHICH YOU TAKEN WRONGLY AND NOT CHANGE THE BIRTH

TIME ITSELF.

I HAD EARLIER REQUESTED YOU TO GO TO OUR FILES SECTION AND SEE THE

CHART OF SWAMI VIVEKANANDA IN DATA BANK, DID YOU DO IT. NO.

LIKE AN ADAMANT CHILD YOU ARE HOLDING ON TO YOUR ARGUMENT AND

CHANGING THE BIRHT TIME ITSELF. HOW PREPOSTEROUS.

SORRY BROTHER I CANNOT ARGUE WITH A PERSON WHO CHANGES THE LAWS OF

NATURE.

RAGARDS

NOT YOUR ADAMANT BROTHER

PARTHA

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Hare Rama Krishna

-------------------------------

Dear Partha,

I didn't know we were arguing, i thought we were

debating, which is the propper usage of this

email-list.

 

Why are you arguing birthtime, when what matters is

what the horoscope shows? I don't know why i had set

the timezone for 6:30 = china, actually i was more

concerned about the chart itself.

 

Please forgive me, and yes i have looked at the chart

in the archives, yet i don't see why Vivekenanda

couldn't have Kanya Lagnamsa. Actually i'm more

inclined towards Kanya Lagnamsa than Vrishchika

Lagnamsa.

 

If you want to fight, become a boxer, this isn't the

propper place for this.

 

If anyone else feels that Vrischika Lagna is propper,

then correct me.

 

Best wishes, Visti.

 

--- partvinu5 wrote:

> DEAR DEAR VISTI

> SHALL I SEND THE BIRTH CHART THAT YOU HAD GIVEN TO

> ME TO THE WHOLE

> GROUP. WHAT SHOULD I DO NOW WHEN YOU ARE CHANGING

> THE BRITH TIME JUST

> TO SUPPORT YOUR ARGUMENTS.

> YOU HAD EARLIER GIVEN THIS DETAILS

> DATE: 12TH JAN 1863

> TIME: 6 35 AM

> TIME ZONE: 6 30 EAST OF GMT.

> YOU HAVE TO CHANGE THE TIME ZONE TO 5 53 AS THE

> BIRTH PLACE IS IN

> INDIA AND NOT IN CHINA(LAUGHS).yOU JUST CANNOT

> CHANGE THE BIRTH TIME

> FROM 6 30 AM TO 5 59 AM. HOW WHIMSICAL.

> SWAMIJI WAS AN INDIAN AND NOT CHINESE BROHTER. I

> HAVE TOLD YOU TO

> CHANGE THE TIME ZONE WHICH YOU TAKEN WRONGLY AND NOT

> CHANGE THE BIRTH

> TIME ITSELF.

> I HAD EARLIER REQUESTED YOU TO GO TO OUR FILES

> SECTION AND SEE THE

> CHART OF SWAMI VIVEKANANDA IN DATA BANK, DID YOU DO

> IT. NO.

> LIKE AN ADAMANT CHILD YOU ARE HOLDING ON TO YOUR

> ARGUMENT AND

> CHANGING THE BIRHT TIME ITSELF. HOW PREPOSTEROUS.

> SORRY BROTHER I CANNOT ARGUE WITH A PERSON WHO

> CHANGES THE LAWS OF

> NATURE.

> RAGARDS

> NOT YOUR ADAMANT BROTHER

> PARTHA

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

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