Upapada

December 20, 2001

Hi Visti, the upapada that you're talking about, is that the pada of the 12th

from the moon in the navamsha? And is the moon lagna in the navamsha also used

too when they talk about swamsa, is it called janmamsa? And if you can help

clarify this, I sort of understand that the lagnamsa has to do with the past

since that's where you see the things you're good at, but then how does this

impression the mind gets depending on whatever happens when they die, tie into

the impression the mind gets the moment they die (that 3rd from AL (arudha

lagna) fear factor) that gets carried over seen in the d-60? What I don't

understand is why what the mind is thinking about at the moment of death has so

much say when it comes to such things as psychological fears, but then it seems

like the moment after death would have more of an impact especially if it can be

predicted what reaction the mind is going to have, do you know how it ties

together? Thanks, Angie

vedic astrology, "Visti Larsen" <in_joy_i_scream> wrote:

> Vyam Vysadevaya Namaha!

> -------

> Dear Karu,

>

> 4th sloka is "Papai Ranyatha" (If I am correct) says malefic send soul to

> hell or deny above results

> which expained by 1.Uchche Sube Suba loka 2.Keto Kaivalyam 3.Kriya Charpayo

> Visheshana.

> So I think 12 th from AK is not only lead person to the God.

>

> Yes i've pondered this sloka abit. Do you think is related to Karakamsa or

> Lagnamsa?

> I don't think the Soul wants to goto hell.

> Sanjay has taught in the past;

>

> "If the Upapada from Moon is associated with malefics, an unpleasant abode

> awaits. If benefics then opposite. "

>

> Upapada from Moon shouldn't be analysed to see moksha. This is because when

> we leave our Sareera(body), there is only Manas(Mind) and Atma(Soul) left.

> Most people only respond to their Manas, hence we can see the

> pains/blessings of their Manas, after death.

>

> But there are some conditions. I cannot understand this. I have seen some

> where as 'seeker of moksha' . But translation says "Moksha Granted." Some

> has interpreted Kriya chapayo as Cancer and Pices while Sanjay do same as

> 4th and 12th which can be accepted.

>

> 4th from Karakamsa shows the Shakti(mother).

>

> Again Parasara says 1. Ketu in 12th in Aries or Saggitarius, with conjoined

> or aspects benefic gives Moksha.

> This is 1st and 9th of zodiac ruled by Sun. Then why Leo is out ?? If you

> know please share with me.

>

> The fiery signs, make it easier to achieve moksha, however Leo has too much

> Tamas Guna.. thats why it wants power and riches.

>

> Also why do you see desire of the soul from 7th from Atma karaka ?

> I thougt it is AK it self and trine.

>

> I don't see the 7th from AK for the souls desires, Narasimha wrote this

> previously. I did however think this at one time.

> What the Soul wants for the person in this birth is seen from the Karakamsa.

> i.e. treat it as lagna.

> Whether or not the person can achieve the souls desires, depends on the

> relation between Karakamsa and Lagnamsa.

>

> Best wishes, Visti.

December 20, 2001

Vyam Vysadevaya Namaha!---------------

Dear Angie,

Hi Visti, the upapada that you're talking about, is that the pada of the 12th

from the moon in the navamsha?

No, not to my knowledge. I always thought it was Rasi, as Navamsa has more todo

with the Dharma we inherit, and excert. However the Rasi would show results as

per the actions in all the different vargas. i.e. The Navamsa may show a

killer, but you need to see Rasi to be sure they will actually kill.

This is my understanding, however the word; Swamsa means many things.

And is the moon lagna in the navamsha also used too when they talk about swamsa,

is it called janmamsa?

Well, some say that Swamsa is Karakamsa only, and some say both lagnamsa and karakamsa.

Only KN Rao and his followers think its Lagnamsa-ka and Karakamsa-ka, which

refers to the Navamsa positions of the same, in Rasi chart.

Sanjay has given these slokas a universal application, in which we use the same

for determining alll sorts of things. The troubles indicated by various

planets/signs, in swamsa can be extended to Badhakesh as well.

Its an interesting question, and i must admit, that i hadn't pondered this much.

Parasara probably sets it straight, when he whilst describing Swamsa, doesn't

differentiate between Karakamsa and Lagnamsa. Swa means Own, and Amsa =

Navamsa. So this is probably applicable to all Karakas.

If its Moons-Upapada in Navamsa, instead of Rasi then it looks like i'll avoid

Mars' inauspicious abode, and instead goto Mercuries, auspicious abode.

It would be nice, if Sanjay could tell us more about the Upapada. Many people

who get into astrology, seek to find out, why and how they came, and where they

are going, so indeed this is an important part of astrology. But then again, we

don't go anywhere auspicious unless we perform auspicious actions.

And if you can help clarify this, I sort of understand that the lagnamsa has to

do with the past since that's where you see the things you're good at, but then

how does this impression the mind gets depending on whatever happens when they

die, tie into the impression the mind gets the moment they die (that 3rd from

AL (arudha lagna) fear factor) that gets carried over seen in the d-60?

The mind registers alot of things, and even thou we can't remember everything

from our past lives, many things do stay. Lagnamsa shows this life, and the

things we may master and work with in this life.

Shastyamsa must be looked at more carefully regarding inherited abilities.

Sanjay rectified Narasimhas Shastyamsa to have Jupiter in trines, without

having a doubt in mind.

What I don't understand is why what the mind is thinking about at the moment of

death has so much say when it comes to such things as psychological fears, but

then it seems like the moment after death would have more of an impact

especially if it can be predicted what reaction the mind is going to have, do

you know how it ties together?

Again the mind does keep some things.. rest is forgotten, but can be retrieved.

If you have a subconsious fear that you could get killed in water, then surely

your gonna stay away from water! Only thing is, that you might have actually

died in water in a past life, which surely sets fears into the mind!

When we die, the last thoughts and desires, will lead the path of the future of

the soul. If the mind is still attached to the family and friends, then the

person will be reborn no doubt. But before the person can be reborn, they must

realise the punishment/blessings of their past actions, and this is the

beneficial/malefic abode.

Hope this helps,

Best wishes, Visti.

December 20, 2001

Thanks for the reply Visti, I really appreciate it, it did help me...and I know

you help a lot of people, it makes me wonder though if it's draining on you, I

hope not. I really like the shastiamsha chart, I like knowing theres a chart to

see past life, I think it would be neat to talk to people who remember their

past life and compare it with their shastiamsha, and that way then it would

probably be easier to see abilities like you mentioned a little better. Well,

thanks again Angie

December 21, 2001

Hare Rama Krishna

--------------------------------

Dear Angie,

When i see such lovely questions like yours, its not

the least bit draining. It is however hard to wake up

to posts where people argue and debate as if their

life depended on it.

There are many cases of people remembering their past

lives, vividly. A very popular case in India, was a

girl named Shanti Devi, Born Dec 11th 1926.

A very good link, that i've found interesting is:

http://www.childpastlives.org

Shanti Devi's Story is at:

http://www.childpastlives.org/shanti_devi.htm

It would be nice if anyone had rectified her

horoscope, for us to see.

Best wishes, Visti.

--- masquera73 <spyrikal wrote:

> Thanks for the reply Visti, I really appreciate it,

> it did help me...and I know you help a lot of

> people, it makes me wonder though if it's draining

> on you, I hope not. I really like the shastiamsha

> chart, I like knowing theres a chart to see past

> life, I think it would be neat to talk to people who

> remember their past life and compare it with their

> shastiamsha, and that way then it would probably be

> easier to see abilities like you mentioned a little

> better. Well, thanks again Angie

>

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December 21, 2001

Dear Vishti,

I know a woman who has Moon conjoined with Rahu in Sagittarius in

shastiamsa. In dreams she has had visions of a past lives in which she

worshipped the Divine Mother. In such a case do you think the Moon Rahu

combination would be in the 10th house, the 11th house or the 12 th house?

From karakamsa too she has the Moon in the 12th house aspected by Rahu

/Ketu. The Moon is in lagnamsa.

Does anyone have any words of advice regarding sadhana to give to this

woman?

Best,

--aphoton

masquera73 wrote:

>Thanks for the reply Visti, I really appreciate it, it did help me...and I know

you help a lot of people, it makes me wonder though if it's draining on you, I

hope not. I really like the shastiamsha chart, I like knowing theres a chart to

see past life, I think it would be neat to talk to people who remember their

past life and compare it with their shastiamsha, and that way then it would

probably be easier to see abilities like you mentioned a little better. Well,

thanks again Angie

>

>....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

>

>Your use of is subject to

>

December 21, 2001

Vyam Vyasdevaya Namaha!------

Dear Aphoton,

You should really know a person well before rectifying the Shastyamsa.

The trines in Shastyamsa, shows the dharma performed in past life, and the

planets well placed in Kendra/Kona, will bring their results very easily and

beneficially, in their present life. Opposite for planets in dusthanas, etc.

The Istha Devata can also be seen in the similar mannor as we do in Navamsa,

namely by seeing the 12th from Chara AK.

I'm reproducing my Shastyamsa, which i've rectified, through quite some time, so

it is quite acurate.

+--------------+| |Ket AL |Mnd

|Moo HL || | | | || |

| | || | | |

|| | | |

||-----------+-----------------------+-----------|| |

|Mar Ven || | |Glk ||

| | || | |

|| | Shashtyamsa | ||-----------|

|-----------|| | D-60 |Jup GL ||

| | || | |

|| | | || |

| ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------||Asc

| |Mer Sat |Sun || | |Rah |

|| | | | || |

| | || | | |

|+--------------+

See Sag Lagna with Jupiter in trines, which clearly shows how quickly i got into

astrology(very quickly). Ketu is in trines as well, and joins Arudha Lagna,

producing a spiritual person, who people percieve as a mystic/occultist.

AK is Rahu and 12th therefrom is Sun(Rama/Shiva) who also aspects Lagna. In this

life i'm born with Sun in Scorpio Lagna.

Note Venus in Dusthana joined with 5th Lord; Mars & gulika, this can produce

work with tantrism or black magic. This could pose some problems in current

life.

However i will not tread any further, as theres more to reading the Shastyamsa,

than just house positions. Also the 60 deities lording the Shastyamsa, must be

taken into account.

When rectifying do rectify the other vargas first. If you find Vargas having the

same bordering degrees of the Shastyamsa(every 0:30 deg), then your in luck as

you merely need to rectify that varga. When in vain, rectifying the

Navamsa-Dwadasamsa(D-108), should set things straight. But offcourse, only one

step at a time.

We should rather be more considerate of our current life, and figuring out how

to avoid anymore births. Then the rest comes easily.

Hope this helps.

Best wishes, Visti.

p.s. Sanjay Rath and Narasimha Rao, should be able to produce their Shastyamsas

with some very good readings of the same.

-

aphoton

vedic astrology

Friday, December 21, 2001 4:39 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Upapada

Dear Vishti,I know a woman who has Moon conjoined with Rahu in Sagittarius in

shastiamsa. In dreams she has had visions of a past lives in which she

worshipped the Divine Mother. In such a case do you think the Moon Rahu

combination would be in the 10th house, the 11th house or the 12 th house?From

karakamsa too she has the Moon in the 12th house aspected by Rahu /Ketu. The

Moon is in lagnamsa.Does anyone have any words of advice regarding sadhana to

give to this woman?Best,--aphotonmasquera73 wrote:>Thanks for the reply Visti,

I really appreciate it, it did help me...and I know you help a lot of people,

it makes me wonder though if it's draining on you, I hope not. I really like

the shastiamsha chart, I like knowing theres a chart to see past life, I think

it would be neat to talk to people who remember their past life and compare it

with their shastiamsha, and that way then it would probably be easier to see

abilities like you mentioned a little better. Well, thanks again Angie

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December 22, 2001

Visti,

Thank you for your comments and your explanation about how you have rectified

your chart. The reason I brought up the chart in my last email, is because

it bears out some of the Jyotish rules. This lady has always had great devotion

to the Divine Mother. After kundalini awakening she has seen some past

lives in which she saw herself worshipping the Divine Mother. Venus is the

chara AK. In the navamsa, the Moon is placed in the 12th from Venus and

this Moon is located in lagnamsa. Further it has the aspects of Rahu and

Ketu. However she is also a follower of a Guru who has initiated her into

the Panchakshari mantra.

In rasi too, she has Rahu in the 5th house aspected by Jupiter and Venus.

But you are right, "we should be more considerate of our current life."

Her specific challenge she told me has been to integrate the great experiences

derived from meditating and chanting in an ashram and applying them to her

life away from the ashram. It is difficult for her to spend more than a

couple of days in an ashram every year.

Season's Greetings,

--aphoton

Visti Larsen wrote:

Vyam Vyasdevaya Namaha!

------

Dear Aphoton,

You should really know a person well before rectifying

the Shastyamsa.

The trines in Shastyamsa, shows the dharma performed

in past life, and the planets well placed in Kendra/Kona, will bring their

results very easily and beneficially, in their present life. Opposite for

planets in dusthanas, etc.

The Istha Devata can also be seen in the similar mannor

as we do in Navamsa, namely by seeing the 12th from Chara AK.

I'm reproducing my Shastyamsa, which i've rectified,

through quite some time, so it is quite acurate.

+--------------+

| | | | |

|-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

| | |Mar Ven |

| | |Glk |

| | | |

| | Shashtyamsa | |

|-----------| |-----------|

| | D-60 |Jup GL |

| | | |

|-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

|Asc | |Mer Sat |Sun |

| | |Rah | |

| | | | |

+--------------+

See Sag Lagna with Jupiter in trines, which clearly

shows how quickly i got into astrology(very quickly). Ketu is in trines

as well, and joins Arudha Lagna, producing a spiritual person, who people

percieve as a mystic/occultist.

AK is Rahu and 12th therefrom is Sun(Rama/Shiva) who

also aspects Lagna. In this life i'm born with Sun in Scorpio Lagna.

Note Venus in Dusthana joined with 5th Lord; Mars &

gulika, this can produce work with tantrism or black magic. This could pose

some problems in current life.

However i will not tread any further, as theres more

to reading the Shastyamsa, than just house positions. Also the 60 deities

lording the Shastyamsa, must be taken into account.

When rectifying do rectify the other vargas first.

If you find Vargas having the same bordering degrees of the Shastyamsa(every

0:30 deg), then your in luck as you merely need to rectify that varga. When

in vain, rectifying the Navamsa-Dwadasamsa(D-108), should set things straight.

But offcourse, only one step at a time.

We should rather be more considerate of our current

life, and figuring out how to avoid anymore births. Then the rest comes

easily.

Hope this helps.

Best wishes, Visti.

p.s. Sanjay Rath and Narasimha Rao, should be able

to produce their Shastyamsas with some very good readings of the same.

-

aphoton

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vedic astrology

Friday, December 21, 2001 4:39 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Upapada

Dear Vishti,

I know a woman who has Moon conjoined with Rahu in Sagittarius in

shastiamsa. In dreams she has had visions of a past lives in which she

worshipped the Divine Mother. In such a case do you think the Moon Rahu

combination would be in the 10th house, the 11th house or the 12 th house?

>From karakamsa too she has the Moon in the 12th house aspected by Rahu

/Ketu. The Moon is in lagnamsa.

Does anyone have any words of advice regarding sadhana to give to this

woman?

Best,

--aphoton

masquera73 wrote:

>Thanks for the reply Visti, I really appreciate it, it did help me...and

I know you help a lot of people, it makes me wonder though if it's draining

on you, I hope not. I really like the shastiamsha chart, I like knowing

theres a chart to see past life, I think it would be neat to talk to people

who remember their past life and compare it with their shastiamsha, and

that way then it would probably be easier to see abilities like you mentioned

a little better. Well, thanks again Angie

>

>Group info:

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December 22, 2001

***Jaya Jagannath***Dear Aphton

Durga without an iota of doubt and that too Chandraghanteti roopa.

Best WishesSanjay Rathhttp://sanjayrath.tripod.com***Om Tat Sat***

- aphoton

vedic astrology

Friday, December 21, 2001 9:09 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Upapada

Dear Vishti,I know a woman who has Moon conjoined with Rahu in Sagittarius in

shastiamsa. In dreams she has had visions of a past lives in which she

worshipped the Divine Mother. In such a case do you think the Moon Rahu

combination would be in the 10th house, the 11th house or the 12 th house? From