Guest guest Posted January 2, 2002 Report Share Posted January 2, 2002 Upon reflection, I wonder if the thoughtfully suggested Moola dasa/ lagna kendradi graha dasa is exactly the same as the system alluded to by Varahamihira. a) the opening verse of Ch 8 clearly states that the strongest between Lg, Sun and Moon should be chosen, yet Moola seems to work only from Lg. b) it refers directly to Vimshottari, yet Vimshottari is not mentioned at all by Varahamihira. c) the allocation to Ketu bothers me. Varahamihira makes virtually no reference to Ketu in BJ and my recollection of BS (I don't have a copy with me at present) is that Ketu figures primarily in the traditional sense of comets etc. Any further thoughts? With kindness and curiosity, Kriya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2002 Report Share Posted January 3, 2002 Vyam Vysadevaya Namaha! ----- Dear Kriya, a) There is some confusion on whether to start the dasa's from the stronger of Lagna & Moon or Lagna, Moon & Sun. I would calculate it from Lagna and Moon. This is also in Sanjay Raths Article. b) Yes there is some subtraction between the Vimshottari Years, and the alloted years. c) All sages were taught by Narada Rishi, so surely unless there was some corruption of knowledge, they should all agree in regards to the predictive principles. See this is why i can't fathom why people draw destinctions between Brihat Jataka and lets say; Jaimini's Upadesa. Even Varahamihira admits that his works aren't complete. Best wishes, Visti. --- jyotish2002au <jyotish wrote: > Upon reflection, I wonder if the thoughtfully > suggested Moola > dasa/ lagna kendradi graha dasa is exactly the same > as the > system alluded to by Varahamihira. > > a) the opening verse of Ch 8 clearly states that the > strongest > between Lg, Sun and Moon should be chosen, yet Moola > seems > to work only from Lg. > > b) it refers directly to Vimshottari, yet > Vimshottari is not > mentioned at all by Varahamihira. > > c) the allocation to Ketu bothers me. Varahamihira > makes > virtually no reference to Ketu in BJ and my > recollection of BS (I > don't have a copy with me at present) is that Ketu > figures > primarily in the traditional sense of comets etc. > > Any further thoughts? > With kindness and curiosity, > Kriya > > Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2002 Report Share Posted January 3, 2002 Dear Visti, > a) There is some confusion on whether to start the > dasa's from the stronger of Lagna & Moon or Lagna, > Moon & Sun. Well, if we strictly stick to ancient authorities, there is no confusion at all. Varahamahira (Brihajjatakam), Kalyana Verma (Saravali) and Prithu Yasas (Hora Saram) all prominently mentioned this dasa and they all *absolutely unambiguously* stated that the strongest of lagna, Moon and Sun should be used for starting this dasa. However, the greatest authority of *today*, Pt. Sanjay Rath, excludes Sun. He considers lagna, Moon and Sun to show body, mind and soul and excludes soul. But it is not so simple and Moon shows body too and Sun shows physical vitality too. I haven't yet seen any solid arguments to establish that Varahamihira, Kalyana Verma and Prithu Yasas were all collectively wrong. So I prefer to give them the benefit of doubt. I cannot stress more that they all agreed and absolutely unambiguously so. > I would calculate it from Lagna and Moon. This is also > in Sanjay Raths Article. May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2002 Report Share Posted January 4, 2002 Hari Om Tat SatDear Narasimha In a message to Visti you wrote: > a) There is some confusion on whether to start the> dasa's from the stronger of Lagna & Moon or Lagna,> Moon & Sun.Well, if we strictly stick to ancient authorities, there is no confusion at all. Varahamahira (Brihajjatakam), Kalyana Verma (Saravali) and Prithu Yasas (Hora Saram) all prominently mentioned this dasa and they all *absolutely unambiguously* stated that the strongest of lagna, Moon and Sun should be used for starting this dasa.However, the greatest authority of *today*, Pt. Sanjay Rath, excludes Sun. He considers lagna, Moon and Sun to show body, mind and soul and excludes soul. But it is not so simple and Moon shows body too and Sun shows physical vitality too.I haven't yet seen any solid arguments to establish that Varahamihira, Kalyana Verma and Prithu Yasas were all collectively wrong. So I prefer to give them the benefit of doubt. I cannot stress more that they all agreed and absolutely unambiguously so.> I would calculate it from Lagna and Moon. This is also > in Sanjay Raths Article. Rath: As I have been telling again and again, there is much more to the dasa than wht catches your eye and there is much more in those words of the great authors than what our brain comprehends. The author Kalyan Verma is a very respected name and their point is clear and unambiguous about starting of Dasa from Lagna, Sun or Moon, whichever is stronger. Can you give me the exact quote from Varahamihira? If you read Moola dasa results carefully as given by Kalyan Verma, you will also find the results of LAGNA. Any insights on this? I must have a valid reason as to why I exclude the Sun in natal charts and in conception charts, I consider ONLY Lagna and Sun and exclude the Moon. i have taken a few classes on conception charts in delhi and try to get those notes from sarat or Sarajit. This will help in clearing this. Lagna & Sun in conception charts and Lagna & Moon in natal charts. One for creation and the other for sustenance...think on these lines. Adding both together, you will see that i am saying the same thing as Varahamihira, Kalyan Verma and others that the stronest of Lagna, Sun and Moon are to be considered.Just that I am clarifying even further...for the benefit of all. if there are still doubts better read the chapters relating to the conception chart. With best wishesSanjay Rath Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2002 Report Share Posted January 4, 2002 Pranaam Sanjay, > The author Kalyan Verma is a very respected name and > their point is clear and unambiguous about starting of > Dasa from Lagna, Sun or Moon, whichever is stronger. I am glad you agree there. > Can you give me the exact quote from Varahamihira? With pleasure. This is from the version of "Brihajjatakam" published by Dr. Raman's grandfather: udaya ravi sasaanka praani kendraadi sansthaah prathama vayasi madhye(a)ntye cha dadyuh phalaani | na hi na phalavipaakah kendra sansthaadyabhaave bhavati hi phalapaktih poorvamaapoklime(a)pi || 8-1 This is the first verse of the chapter on dasas and antardasas. This is basically the same as what Kalyana Verma and Prithu Yasas gave. The translation of Prof. B.Suryanarain Rao starts with "the most powerful among lagna, Surya and Chandra..." and I can't see any ambiguity. > I must have a valid reason as to why I exclude the Sun > in natal charts and in conception charts, I consider ONLY > Lagna and Sun and exclude the Moon. i have taken a few Of course, I know that you must have a valid reason. When you gave a radically new hora definition that did not use sunrise, I first disagreed with you and sided with Dr. Raman etc. It took me one year to appreciate your view and switch to it (yes, I use your definition now). I still haven't switched to solar years in lunar constellational dasas. You are a brilliant guru, but I will get out of you only what (and when) I deserve! > classes on conception charts in delhi and try to get those > notes from sarat or Sarajit. This will help in clearing this. I am not complaining, but I could never get any notes from anyone. Whatever I learnt was through your books and the few phone calls. You have been very kind to me. It must be hard for your students in Delhi to type the notes they wrote down on paper onto the computer. > Lagna & Sun in conception charts and Lagna & Moon in > natal charts. One for creation and the other for > sustenance...think on these lines. Adding both together, Yes, it already starts to make some sense. I will let the thought process go on for some time. > you will see that i am saying the same thing as Varahamihira, > Kalyan Verma and others that the stronest of Lagna, Sun > and Moon are to be considered.Just that I am clarifying > even further...for the benefit of all. That was the whole idea! :-) Your sishya, Narasimha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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