Lg vs Paka Nandans Attempt

January 4, 2002

Thanks a lot for the comments. I did learn to differentiate a bit more, from

your comments. Just two original questions still remain: 1. Lagna in any

d-chart is the native, wrt that domain, & the nth house there is that relative.

So shubha-kartari yog on Lagna or lagna lord exaltation in d-9, should thus

denote the NATIVE's appearance (specifically for d-9). For the relative, eg

wife, should be influences on 7 in d-9, & for more physical stuff, influences

on lord of 7 in d-9. In other d-charts, appearance of the native is not seen

from the lagna in that chart, but influences on these lagnas are those on the

NATIVE in various domains. This is what I have been taught. But the same

teacher (ie Mr Rao) is using the lagna of the d-chart for appearance, etc of

the RELATIVE, not the native. Hence my confusion, on what have I really

understood, earlier vs now.

2. A house represents a domain (eg marriage), to study which, we see the various

planets (including its lord), affecting that house X, & other related houses (eg

2 to X for its result, etc). But for the PHYSICAL attributes of any PERSON

signified by the house (eg wife= 7), isnt the single most important item, the

LORD of X. And the attributes to be judged from the planets affecting that lord

(not the lord itself, not the planets affecting X). Continuing on that logic,

the houses counted from X would represent the features of that domain, while

houses counted from lord of X, represent the features of the Person. So, Ke in

7 representing a spiritual spouse, as both Mr Rao & Rath mentioned, I fully

understand. However, when Sarajit mentioned Ke= alluringly attractive for the

spouse, I got stumped, because appearance fo wife should primarily be affected

by influences on lord of 7 in d-9, ie to Ma, not Ma itself, nor Ar.

Thanks again

Nandan

Visti Larsen <in_joy_i_scream > wrote:

Vyam Vysadevaya Namaha!-----------------------------

Dear Nandan,

Some comments bellow.

Some questions on this posting of yours:Ref your phrases:1. "In navamsa, the 7th

house is Aries. Taking Aries as lagna.....":Visti: Yes consider aries as lagna

and judge the effects from there, as well as the lord of aries; mars. The Paka

Lagna has more todo with how the fortune of our activities reveals itself. Both

should be considered. However in case of siblings(D-3) and children(D-7),

consider the lord more.

2. In relevant d-chart, hemming of lagna= the relevant relative (d-12 forparents, etc) is beautiful.

Visti: When lagna is hemmed between beneficial planets(subhakartari yoga) then

offcourse the person is beuftiful. Its like being protected by pillows.

>From your various writings, I gather instead:1. Lg in relevant d-chart is the

native wrt that domain, AND specificallyin d-9, the native's (not the wife's)

appearance.2. nth house in that d-chart is the domain itself.3. Lord of nth

house in that d-chart is a) the physical aspects of thatrelative, & b) charts

could be cast taking THAT as the Lg for thatrelative's life.4. Arudh: for

other's perception of one's appearance: eg with all thetwisted face & uneven

teeth that I see in my wife's face specifically, theworld thinks she is

beautiful, so her arudh must be great. I guess I needto refer to A7 in d-9, or

A12 in d-1, or both???

Visti: You can. Spend more time on Upapada in Rasi.

The difference is;

1. The Pada of the spouse in Navamsa, shows how people have percieved her, her whole life.

2. The Upapada in Rasi, shows specifically, how YOUR spouse is percieved. So

theres a difference here, as the shift goes from being an individual, to being

your spouse.

5. External Looks of spouse specifically= planets affecting

(dispositor,conjunction, aspects, etc) 7 & L7, both in d-1 & d-9, not L7

itself. VersusNature of wife more from A12

Visti: Since when did Maya have anything todo with nature. You know the answer

to this one. Arudhas show perception.

6. Ignoring ONE factor: ie they are still not married: so A7, not A12??

Visti: Good point, we either should have predicted their meeting and seen the

lordship of the Antar Dasa graha(vimshottari) or seen the wifes chart

herself.So, using your teachings in text-book fashion, can I attempt Sagar

Chitnis'case, & please correct me where I have veered/ misunderstood

yourteachings. Every where below, I am ignoring argalas only for simplicitytho'

I should, & using only sign-aspects in the d-9. Note I am seggregatingfactor for

MARRIAGE from SPOUSE from LOOKS of spouse (am trying still todifferentiate

before integration, as you have taught):MARRIAGE: 7 & A12 in d-1, 1 & 7 in d-9,

Ve in d-1 & d-9:7 in d-1= marriage: Ta: a) has retro St L3/4, b) aspected by Ma

L1/6 in own1, sign-aspected by vargottam Mc L8/11 conjoined Sn L10 in 3, c)

lord Ve(ref below) reasonably placed, d) supporting kendras/ kons have Ma in

own 1& Mn YogKrk L9 in 10 & Mc/ Sn in 3: influences are independently strong;

somarital issues, both good & bad, are individually taken seriously.A-12 in

d-1= marriage: in 4= Aq: its lord St (= spouse) retro L3/4 in

7,planetary-aspected by Ma L1/6 in own 1, its lord St L3/4 in 7 & Mn YK L9

in10: same comment as for 7 in d-1.Lg in d-9= self's view of marriage= Li: a)

has Ra, b) aspected by Mn L10exalted in 8, c) its lord Ve (L1/8) deb in 12, d)

supporting kendras/ konshave Ma L7/2 & vargottam Mc L9/12 forming a combined

RYK in 4, Ke in 7, &RYK retro St L4/5 in 10: desire marriage & wish to make it

a success,confronting & not evading the challenges (eg weak Lord of Lg, &c) in

thevarious placements.7 in d-9= marriage itself= Ar: a) has Ke, b) its lord Ma

well-placed withMc RYK combo, c) supporting kendras have the nodes & retro RYK

St L4/5 in10, kons have Jp L3/6 vargottam in own 3, d) hemmed by luminaries Sn

L11 in6 & exalted Mn L10 in 8: will have challenges (Ke) but is so well

supportedthat issues will always be overcome.Ve: Ve: same as L7 in d-1. In d-9:

L1/8 debilitated in 12: try to wringmore out of inherent potential of

relationship/ over-expectationMutual placement between these indicators= Ease

of process, Not result:(ignoring AL for simplicity): UL wrt 7/ 1/ L7 in d-1:

basically in mutualco-working kendras, with UL wrt L7 being in 3/11, the

relationships beingmutually naturally friendly also: partners work well

together to resolveall issues.Summary of Marriage: Challenging marriage, with

basic desire from bothsides (see next below) to confront & successfully resolve

all issues &emerge stronger. Being more realistic in expectations would help.

Visti: You should list what the challenges are, and why they have come.

All i see is a weighing of the positives and negatives of the marriage.

Venus, Jupiter, Rahu and Ketu aspect 2nd from Upapada.

Rahu aspecting 2nd from Upapada can cause extra marital relations, if also the darapada is involved.

Darapada is Cancer, and lord is Moon. Neither associate with the 2nd from

Upapada. Venus and Rahu together can produce blood-related problems. Jupiter is

the saving influence here, and propper remedial messures can be given to

strengthen Venus. Rahu + Jupiter gives poor dentition.

Now see that the lord of Upapada is Rahu. Rahu involved in Guru-Chandala Yoga,

shows that the marriage may come through some sort of cheating. However as

Jupiter is stronger, there is more Guru and less chandala, which is auspicious.

You could infer, that he met the spouse, through some peoples scheming behind

his back. Maybe he was set up to meet her.

Lord of Upapada joining Venus and Jupiter, shows a wife of highly elevated

status, and very learned and intelligent education. Note, that i didn't comment

on her intelligence. This should be seen from Navamsa.

Mercury and Sun is in 12th from Upapada, this is why Sanjay asked about

Fathers-inlaws(sun) longevity.

Both lords of Upapada and the 2nd therefrom are well placed in Navamsa, so i

have no fears regarding the length of married life.

SPOUSE specifically: L7 & Ve in both d-1 & d-9, A-7 in d-9:L7 in d-1= spouse: Ve

L7/12 in 2: a) conjoined vargottam Jp L2/5 in own 2but also exalted Ra, b)

totally unaspected, d) supporting kendras/ konshave Mn L9 in 10: independent,

financially stable, but seeking more.Lord of UL in d-1= physical nature of

wife: retro St L3/4 in 7 (ref 7above): limited self-expression/ limited desire

to reach out & seeksupport.L7 in d-9= physical nature of wife: Ma L2/7 in 4=

Cp: a) has RYK combo withMc L 9/12, b) aspected by exalted Mn L10, supporting

kendras have exaltednodes & RYK St, & kons have exalted Mn L10 in 8 & deb Ve

L1/8 in 12: thod-9 weak intrinsically (Lg lord), but many supporting strong &

positivefactors: L7 very positive.A7 in d-9= perception of marriage & spouse:

in 10= Cn: a) has retro RYK St,b) lord Mn exalted, c) aspected by its lord

exalted Mn: again very positive.9 from Ve in d-1 & d-9: Mn L9 in 10 in d-1,

exalted Mn L10 in 8 in d-9:very good.Summary of Spouse: well established,

confident girl, needs well-meaningsupport, which the native would provide.

Visti: Others have given comments on the spouse. LOOKS: most affected by:

Planets affecting 7 & L7 in d-1 & d-9:7 in d-1: has St, aspected by Ma, vgtm Mc

& Sn, disposited by Ve.L7 in d-1: conjoined vargottam Jp & exalted Ra, &

disposited by Jp.7 in d-9 : has Ke, disposited by RYK Ma.L7 in d-9 : has RYK

combo with Mc, aspected by exalted Mn, disposited byRYK St.Giving most

importance to L7 in d-1 & d-9: RYK Mc, exalted Mn, RYK St &vargottam Jp are the

main influencers, of which St & Jp are the strongest &most benign planets

considering both d-1 & d-9. Both St & Jp give height,while strong & benign Mc &

Mn in d-9 would give attractive features &speech (both for Mn & Mc), skin (Mc) &

eyes (Mn).

Visti: Narasimha commented on this.

INTERNAL NATURE OF SPOUSE: Ref UL in d-1 above, which is very wellsupported by

St, Ma & Mn, all strong & benign.

Visti: You mean how people percieve "HIS SPOUSE".RegardsNandan

Hope this helps.

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January 4, 2002

Dear Nandan!

Did you hear that Moon or Jupiter in the Lagna will make the native fair and

attaractive? What you are trying to do is differentiating the indications

governed by the house and the Lord. However, thats not that easy. Even if the

planets in the 7th house would influence on the marital affairs, however they

would have some say on the persons governed by the house. The house lord is

generally the protector of the house and you just can't hold it responsible to

decide the characteristics of the persons governed by the house. Being a

protector, if it is damaged, then the house suffers (hence the lords placement

also has some bearing on the matters of the said house).

I would still stay the looks of the wife will be dependent on the planetary

influence on the 7th from Navamsa Lagna, even more than the lord. However,

judging both is required

Regards

Sarajit

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Nandan Chakraborty

vedic astrology

Friday, January 04, 2002 3:14 PM

Lg vs Paka Re: [vedic astrology] Nandans Attempt

Dear Visti, Sarajit & Mr Narasimha Thanks a lot for the comments. I did learn to

differentiate a bit more, from your comments. Just two original questions still

remain: 1. Lagna in any d-chart is the native, wrt that domain, & the nth house

there is that relative. So shubha-kartari yog on Lagna or lagna lord exaltation

in d-9, should thus denote the NATIVE's appearance (specifically for d-9). For

the relative, eg wife, should be influences on 7 in d-9, & for more physical

stuff, influences on lord of 7 in d-9. In other d-charts, appearance of the

native is not seen from the lagna in that chart, but influences on these lagnas

are those on the NATIVE in various domains. This is what I have been taught. But

the same teacher (ie Mr Rao) is using the lagna of the d-chart for appearance,

etc of the RELATIVE, not the native. Hence my confusion, on what have I really

understood, earlier vs now. 2. A house represents a domain (eg marriage), to

study which, we see the various planets (including its lord), affecting that

house X, & other related houses (eg 2 to X for its result, etc). But for the

PHYSICAL attributes of any PERSON signified by the house (eg wife= 7), isnt the

single most important item, the LORD of X. And the attributes to be judged from

the planets affecting that lord (not the lord itself, not the planets affecting

X). Continuing on that logic, the houses counted from X would represent the

features of that domain, while houses counted from lord of X, represent the

features of the Person. So, Ke in 7 representing a spiritual spouse, as both Mr

Rao & Rath mentioned, I fully understand. However, when Sarajit mentioned Ke=

alluringly attractive for the spouse, I got stumped, because appearance fo wife

should primarily be affected by influences on lord of 7 in d-9, ie to Ma, not Ma

itself, nor Ar. Thanks again Nandan Visti Larsen <in_joy_i_scream >

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