Guest guest Posted January 8, 2002 Report Share Posted January 8, 2002 Hi all, I must confess that it's only recently that I've been charmed and enamored by the delights of spirituality. I must also confess that I have a silly-sounding query for the gurus here, originating in no small measure due to an absolute lack of light on the subject in me. My question - is emancipation an absolute rid from life itself or is it just a rid from life the way we know it as humans? I mean, is moksha the spiritual gateway into something higher in the process of evolution on the same lines as what happened to the apes in physical terms? I somehow can't reconcile to the notion that it was God's intention that his prime creation always keep striving not to be reborn; that would seem as if the evolution into humans was itself a kinda curse. What could well be God's intention is to see all life forms strive to elevate themselves into a higher form. Perhaps those lower in the animal kingdom rungs may be doing so too in forms unseen by us. At this moment, from my minuscule window, it does appear that moksha is a riddance not from life absolutely, but more a graduation into a higher spiritual species. Warm regards, Ramapriya hubli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2002 Report Share Posted January 8, 2002 My humble few cents, > My question - is emancipation an absolute rid from > life itself or is > it just a rid from life the way we know it as > humans? I mean, is > moksha the spiritual gateway into something higher > in the process of > evolution on the same lines as what happened to the > apes in physical > terms? In a way, yes and no.The concept of moksha is to liberate onself from the unending birth and death cycles all human beings are subjected to by God.And to get moksha, one has to continuously refine oneself towards the almighty with Bhakti and 'right knowledge' of Him.Therefore, its not a one birth affair to get moksha.It has to be multi birth effort with each birth refining and purifying oneself. > I somehow can't reconcile to the notion that it was > God's intention > that his prime creation always keep striving not to > be reborn; that > would seem as if the evolution into humans was > itself a kinda curse. In a way, its a kinda curse that we are on this earth.We are here only to burn our bad Karma and accumulate some good one.But, its also a boon that we are humans who are the only capable species to attain Moksha.In the process of burning bad karma, there is a self perpetuation in the sense that we end up doing more bad karma.And the birth and death goes on.... > What could well be God's intention is to see all > life forms strive to > elevate themselves into a higher form. Perhaps those > lower in the > animal kingdom rungs may be doing so too in forms > unseen by us. Its something like this:Its only the human form which is the best suited for achieving the knowledge of God and hence getting moksha.All other forms of life are certainly inferior to Humans and certainly will not get that liberation from birth and death cycle.It is for this reason (human beings) that we should be greatfull to the almighty God and pray him to bestow on us, Knowledge, bhakti and 'vairagya (unbelongingness).It is certainnly god's intention that we all strive to elevate ourselves from this morass that we find ourselves everyday. > > At this moment, from my minuscule window, it does > appear that moksha > is a riddance not from life absolutely, but more a > graduation into a > higher spiritual species. > Its correct.A higher spiritual human being who has rid himself of the sufferings on this human earth and enjoys the bliss with the knowledge of God according to one's capability. > Warm regards, > Ramapriya I feel this is the most novice answer that i have given. Regards, Kautilya > > hubli > > > Archives: > vedic astrology > > Group info: > vedic astrology/info.html > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu > || > > Your use of is subject to > > > Send FREE video emails in Mail! http://promo./videomail/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2002 Report Share Posted January 8, 2002 My comments in [PRCV] block inline ---- Original Message ----- Vishnu Gupta vedic astrology Tuesday, January 08, 2002 11:37 AM Re: [vedic astrology] What's moksha? My humble few cents,> My question - is emancipation an absolute rid from> life itself or is > it just a rid from life the way we know it as> humans? I mean, is > moksha the spiritual gateway into something higher> in the process of > evolution on the same lines as what happened to the> apes in physical > terms?In a way, yes and no.The concept of moksha is toliberate onself from the unending birth and deathcycles all human beings are subjected to by God.And toget moksha, one has to continuously refine oneselftowards the almighty with Bhakti and 'right knowledge'of Him.Therefore, its not a one birth affair to getmoksha.It has to be multi birth effort with each birthrefining and purifying oneself. ------ [PRCV] Who says that 'I' want Moksha? If you analyse: It is the desirous mind that forms the idea that achieving moksha solves all its current problems. So, it keeps it as a goal to reach and strives. Of course, in this process, it says ok I will take the bus of Bhakti, and right knowledge (who judges what is right, anyways!!!), and reach the goal. A mind that is not caught in the web of its own machinations might see this trick; trick to analyse its own state resulting in freedom, rather than make another idea of freedom and complicate it. I guess only such a might be able to comprehend Bhakti ??? [Don't be harsh in shooting me down ))) Thanks] [/PRCV] > I somehow can't reconcile to the notion that it was> God's intention > that his prime creation always keep striving not to> be reborn; that > would seem as if the evolution into humans was> itself a kinda curse. In a way, its a kinda curse that we are on thisearth.We are here only to burn our bad Karma andaccumulate some good one.But, its also a boon that weare humans who are the only capable species to attainMoksha.In the process of burning bad karma, there is aself perpetuation in the sense that we end up doingmore bad karma.And the birth and death goes on.... > What could well be God's intention is to see all> life forms strive to > elevate themselves into a higher form. Perhaps those> lower in the > animal kingdom rungs may be doing so too in forms> unseen by us.Its something like this:Its only the human form whichis the best suited for achieving the knowledge of Godand hence getting moksha.All other forms of life arecertainly inferior to Humans and certainly will notget that liberation from birth and death cycle.It isfor this reason (human beings) that we should begreatfull to the almighty God and pray him to bestowon us, Knowledge, bhakti and 'vairagya(unbelongingness).It is certainnly god's intentionthat we all strive to elevate ourselves from thismorass that we find ourselves everyday.> > At this moment, from my minuscule window, it does> appear that moksha > is a riddance not from life absolutely, but more a> graduation into a > higher spiritual species.> Its correct.A higher spiritual human being who has ridhimself of the sufferings on this human earth andenjoys the bliss with the knowledge of God accordingto one's capability.> Warm regards,> RamapriyaI feel this is the most novice answer that i havegiven.Regards,Kautilya> > hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com> > > Archives:> vedic astrology> > Group info:>vedic astrology/info.html> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to> vedic astrology-> > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......> > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu> || > > Your use of is subject to> > > Send FREE video emails in Mail!http://promo./videomail/ Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2002 Report Share Posted January 8, 2002 Moksha karaka is only ketu among 9 planets ,12 house occupied by ketu .............gives moksha moksha rather bliss is to be experienced rather talking about it..... your question is like this ....how will be the sugar taste ??? ........unless you taste it you cannot tell..... Best Regards Srinagesh >>>Chanikya<<< Ranga <pvangara > wrote: My comments in [PRCV] block inline ---- Original Message ----- Vishnu Gupta vedic astrology Tuesday, January 08, 2002 11:37 AM Re: [vedic astrology] What's moksha? My humble few cents,> My question - is emancipation an absolute rid from> life itself or is > it just a rid from life the way we know it as> humans? I mean, is > moksha the spiritual gateway into something higher> in the process of > evolution on the same lines as what happened to the> apes in physical > terms?In a way, yes and no.The concept of moksha is toliberate onself from the unending birth and deathcycles all human beings are subjected to by God.And toget moksha, one has to continuously refine oneselftowards the almighty with Bhakti and 'right knowledge'of Him.Therefore, its not a one birth affair to getmoksha.It has to be multi birth effort with each birthrefining and purifying oneself. ------ [PRCV] Who says that 'I' want Moksha? If you analyse: It is the desirous mind that forms the idea that achieving moksha solves all its current problems. So, it keeps it as a goal to reach and strives. Of course, in this process, it says ok I will take the bus of Bhakti, and right knowledge (who judges what is right, anyways!!!), and reach the goal. A mind that is not caught in the web of its own machinations might see this trick; trick to analyse its own state resulting in freedom, rather than make another idea of freedom and complicate it. I guess only such a might be able to comprehend Bhakti ??? [Don't be harsh in shooting me down ))) Thanks] [/PRCV] > I somehow can't reconcile to the notion that it was> God's intention > that his prime creation always keep striving not to> be reborn; that > would seem as if the evolution into humans was> itself a kinda curse. In a way, its a kinda curse that we are on thisearth.We are here only to burn our bad Karma andaccumulate some good one.But, its also a boon that weare humans who are the only capable species to attainMoksha.In the process of burning bad karma, there is aself perpetuation in the sense that we end up doingmore bad karma.And the birth and death goes on.... > What could well be God's intention is to see all> life forms strive to > elevate themselves into a higher form. Perhaps those> lower in the > animal kingdom rungs may be doing so too in forms> unseen by us.Its something like this:Its only the human form whichis the best suited for achieving the knowledge of Godand hence getting moksha.All other forms of life arecertainly inferior to Humans and certainly will notget that liberation from birth and death cycle.It isfor this reason (human beings) that we should begreatfull to the almighty God and pray him to bestowon us, Knowledge, bhakti and 'vairagya(unbelongingness).It is certainnly god's intentionthat we all strive to elevate ourselves from thismorass that we find ourselves everyday.> > At this moment, from my minuscule window, it does> appear that moksha > is a riddance not from life absolutely, but more a> graduation into a > higher spiritual species.> Its correct.A higher spiritual human being who has ridhimself of the sufferings on this human earth andenjoys the bliss with the knowledge of God accordingto one's capability.> Warm regards,> RamapriyaI feel this is the most novice answer that i havegiven.Regards,Kautilya> > hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com> > > Archives:> vedic astrology> > Group info:>vedic astrology/info.html> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to> vedic astrology-> > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......> > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu> || > > Your use of is subject to> > > Send FREE video emails in Mail!http://promo./videomail/ Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Do You ? Send FREE video emails in Mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2002 Report Share Posted January 8, 2002 Hi Ranga, As it was certainly a non-astrological discussion, i am sending it you only. > [PRCV] > Who says that 'I' want Moksha? If you analyse: It > is the desirous mind that forms the idea that > achieving moksha solves all its current problems. > So, it keeps it as a goal to reach and strives. Of > course, in this process, it says ok I will take the > bus of Bhakti, and right knowledge (who judges what > is right, anyways!!!), and reach the goal. > A mind that is not caught in the web of its own > machinations might see this trick; trick to analyse > its own state resulting in freedom, rather than make > another idea of freedom and complicate it. > I guess only such a might be able to comprehend > Bhakti ??? So, you are just adding to my answer.First, let us be aware that there are desires in every human being and having a desire to achive moksha is one of the satwik desires a man can have.Initially, a man can start his journey with his goal as moksha and somewhere down the line he will be self-immersed with God/Bhakti and Knowledge , that he will forget about the goal he started with.And thats when he can elevate himself to freedom from this unending cycles of misery.All these provided he has both knowledge and bhakti and the knowledge that i mean is the Vedic Dharma that is in Vedas/Upanishads/Purans which he has to learn through a Guru. > > I somehow can't reconcile to the notion that it > was > > God's intention > > that his prime creation always keep striving not > to > > be reborn; that > > would seem as if the evolution into humans was > > itself a kinda curse. > > In a way, its a kinda curse that we are on this > earth.We are here only to burn our bad Karma and > accumulate some good one.But, its also a boon that > we > are humans who are the only capable species to > attain > Moksha.In the process of burning bad karma, there > is a > self perpetuation in the sense that we end up > doing > more bad karma.And the birth and death goes on.... > > > What could well be God's intention is to see all > > life forms strive to > > elevate themselves into a higher form. Perhaps > those > > lower in the > > animal kingdom rungs may be doing so too in > forms > > unseen by us. > > Its something like this:Its only the human form > which > is the best suited for achieving the knowledge of > God > and hence getting moksha.All other forms of life > are > certainly inferior to Humans and certainly will > not > get that liberation from birth and death cycle.It > is > for this reason (human beings) that we should be > greatfull to the almighty God and pray him to > bestow > on us, Knowledge, bhakti and 'vairagya > (unbelongingness).It is certainnly god's intention > that we all strive to elevate ourselves from this > morass that we find ourselves everyday. > > > > > At this moment, from my minuscule window, it > does > > appear that moksha > > is a riddance not from life absolutely, but more > a > > graduation into a > > higher spiritual species. > > > > Its correct.A higher spiritual human being who has > rid > himself of the sufferings on this human earth and > enjoys the bliss with the knowledge of God > according > to one's capability. > > > Warm regards, > > Ramapriya > > I feel this is the most novice answer that i have > given. > > Regards, > Kautilya > > > > hubli > > > > > > Archives: > > vedic astrology > > > > Group info: > > > > vedic astrology/info.html > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > > vedic astrology- > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri > Krishnaarpanamastu > > || > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > Send FREE video emails in Mail! > http://promo./videomail/ > > > Sponsor > > > > > > Archives: > vedic astrology > > Group info: > vedic astrology/info.html > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri > Krishnaarpanamastu || > > > Terms of Service. > > Send FREE video emails in Mail! http://promo./videomail/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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