Guest guest Posted January 8, 2002 Report Share Posted January 8, 2002 Hi all, One reply to my question on moksha was to the effect that our birth is in a way a curse and that they're because of the bad karmas of our past life. Since I've seen nothing in refutation of that supposition, I've three more corollaries... 1. How are infant deaths to be interpreted? My reasoning would be that their past lives had been excellent and only a little residual punishment had to be borne by being born. 2. Is it right to assume that balarishta yogas in horoscopes are actually emancipation yogas, since children can't obviously do any bad karmas? 3. What about the bad karmas of an individual with the indications of moksha in his horoscope, as stated in BPHS? How can anyone with such a chart get away without punishment? 4. If all births are for the bad karmas of the previous life, what about the birth of the very first set of human beings on earth? Who were they paying for? I wonder... I know all this isn't directly related to astrology, but who knows, understanding this might help us fathom other niceties in astro. Warm regards, Ramapriya hubli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2002 Report Share Posted January 8, 2002 Nor only the bad karmas, but the good karmas too are not help for moksha. For people very, very rich, specialy in the western countries, is very dificult to make spiritual life. For people very poor, it is very dificult too. If a chart shows moksha, is very probable that the jiva has made a lot of austerities in his past life, and not with the desire of enjoy, but with the desire to be liberated. And the best of them is not the one who wants moksha, but one whom only desire is to serve to the Lord. >4. If all births are for the bad karmas of the previous life, what >about the birth of the very first set of human beings on earth? Who >were they paying for? I wonder... If you know a woman who you know is a very good person, and a very good mother. You come out from your house, and you see this woman punish her son. What you may thing? First, this woman is a very bad person, how she can punish her son? Or you may think, that maybe her son makes something wrong, and is the duty of the mother correct his bad actions. So, every bad thing you see in this world, you may think, what have we done to have such a punishment? But is the punishment of our creator. Maybe a son may think that the punishment of his parents is very cruel, but it isn't. When you grow up, you starts to understand and thanks all the work they try to do to educate you. So it is time for our spiritual grow up, and understand that we are eternal living beings. Please, read Bhagavad Gita. Sanjay recommends Srila Prabhupada's translation. Back to the first paragraph, Srila Prabhupada explains that as the only person who knows who is your father, is your mother. So, if you are wondering who is your trascendental father, you have to ask to your mother. And the Vedas, are the mother. So read. And after read, you will understand the conclusions of the scriptures: harer nama harer nama harer namaiva kevalam kalau nasty eva nasty eva nasty eva gatir anyatha "In this age of quarrel and hipocrasy, the only means of deliverance is the chanting of the holy names of the Lord. There is no other way. There is no other way. There is no other way." Brihan-naradiya Purana 38.126. So, chant: hare krishna hare krishna krishna krishna hare hare hare rama hare rama rama rama hare hare and be happy. At your feet: Arjuna-vallabha das. dear arjuna-vallabha prabhu please accept my obeisances. all glories to srila prabhupada the past few days i have been feeling very low, then i just read your e mail on 'moksa doubts'..it went straight to the heart and i feel much better.. thankyou for that your servant stavavali devi dasi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2002 Report Share Posted January 9, 2002 Hare Krishna Ramapriya and the rest of members. Please accept my humble obeisances. About how or why we, the jivas or living entities are here, there are different views, so i'll not explain the one i consider. But, from my standpoint, is obviously that this world is not a place for "gentlemans", as Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati use to said. So, if you are in a well asking for help, and anybody comes with a rope to help you, you may said: "No, i will no out, until anybody explains how i fall here". It doesn't seem prety smart. And nobody remembers (at least i fond anybody) from where we come and how we are here. I hope you agree with me until here. >1. How are infant deaths to be interpreted? My reasoning would be >that their past lives had been excellent and only a little residual punishment had to be borne by being born. Nor you, nor me know how much we have to suffer in the womb of a woman. And get the oportunity of be a human being, it doesn't seems to be easy either, as there are many jivas that are in other kind of bodies, like plants or animals. So, if a woman aborts her baby, what you believe could be her punishment in her next life? So maybe, to be in the womb of a woman, born, and not live a much time. But in the next life, to incarnate again, hopely as a human being, and get again the chance of make spiritual life. >2. Is it right to assume that balarishta yogas in horoscopes are >actually emancipation yogas, since children can't obviously do any >bad karmas? The animals don't make bad or good karmas either, and obviously the are not emancipated. They can only suffer the consecuences of their past karmas. >3. What about the bad karmas of an individual with the indications of >moksha in his horoscope, as stated in BPHS? How can anyone with >such a chart get away without punishment? Nor only the bad karmas, but the good karmas too are not help for moksha. For people very, very rich, specialy in the western countries, is very dificult to make spiritual life. For people very poor, it is very dificult too. If a chart shows moksha, is very probable that the jiva has made a lot of austerities in his past life, and not with the desire of enjoy, but with the desire to be liberated. And the best of them is not the one who wants moksha, but one whom only desire is to serve to the Lord. >4. If all births are for the bad karmas of the previous life, what >about the birth of the very first set of human beings on earth? Who >were they paying for? I wonder... If you know a woman who you know is a very good person, and a very good mother. You come out from your house, and you see this woman punish her son. What you may thing? First, this woman is a very bad person, how she can punish her son? Or you may think, that maybe her son makes something wrong, and is the duty of the mother correct his bad actions. So, every bad thing you see in this world, you may think, what have we done to have such a punishment? But is the punishment of our creator. Maybe a son may think that the punishment of his parents is very cruel, but it isn't. When you grow up, you starts to understand and thanks all the work they try to do to educate you. So it is time for our spiritual grow up, and understand that we are eternal living beings. Please, read Bhagavad Gita. Sanjay recommends Srila Prabhupada's translation. Back to the first paragraph, Srila Prabhupada explains that as the only person who knows who is your father, is your mother. So, if you are wondering who is your trascendental father, you have to ask to your mother. And the Vedas, are the mother. So read. And after read, you will understand the conclusions of the scriptures: harer nama harer nama harer namaiva kevalam kalau nasty eva nasty eva nasty eva gatir anyatha "In this age of quarrel and hipocrasy, the only means of deliverance is the chanting of the holy names of the Lord. There is no other way. There is no other way. There is no other way." Brihan-naradiya Purana 38.126. So, chant: hare krishna hare krishna krishna krishna hare hare hare rama hare rama rama rama hare hare and be happy. At your feet: Arjuna-vallabha das. ____________________________ mensaje enviado desde http://www.iespana.es emails (pop)-paginas web (espacio ilimitado)-agenda-favoritos (bookmarks)-foros -Chat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2002 Report Share Posted January 9, 2002 JAYA JAGANNATHA! Dear Ramapriya, Namaste. > Hi all, > > One reply to my question on moksha was to the effect that our birth > is in a way a curse and that they're because of the bad karmas of our > > past life. Since I've seen nothing in refutation of that supposition, > I've three more corollaries... > > 1. How are infant deaths to be interpreted? My reasoning would be > that their past lives had been excellent and only a little residual > > punishment had to be borne by being born. Well Krishna says in the Bhagavad-gita that an unsuccessful yogi, in other words someone who hasn't completed the process of self-realisation, is born in the family of saintly persons or devotees if he was very advanced in his previous life. Ohterwise he will be born in the family of Brahmins or rich people. So your above theory may be true in the case of children born in the families of saintly persons (like there's a story of Srivas Thakura's child passing away while Lord Caitanya had Kirtana in his house). Of course this would mean that besides the Balarishta, some Moksha-yogas should also be present, and the chart in general should indicate a highly advanced spiritualist. In the parents' chart it should also be indicated that the child will be very spiritual. Ohterwise, if only the Balarishta is present, and no strong signs of spirituality, then the infant death is simply due to bad karma (maybe the native was killing or torturing infants in his previous life, and in this case infant death will follow him several lifetimes). Considering the law of karma, one who aborts his/her own child or others' children, will be born as an embryo and aborted several thousand or even more times. > 2. Is it right to assume that balarishta yogas in horoscopes are > actually emancipation yogas, since children can't obviously do any > bad > > karmas? The effect of certain activities may take some time to fructify, so an activity preformed in a previous life may bring its effects at a young age in this life. Therefore your idea does not hold true. > 3. What about the bad karmas of an individual with the indications of > moksha in his horoscope, as stated in BPHS? How can anyone with > > such a chart get away without punishment? The duty of the Atmakaraka is to punish, for the purpose of spiritual advancement. therefore, the individual may be purified of his bad karma within one lifetime, especially if he perfforms bhakti, and the he can reap the results of the moksha/yoga at the end of his life. It's not that an individual born with a moksha-yoga need not do any effort to actually achieve it. > 4. If all births are for the bad karmas of the previous life, what > about the birth of the very first set of human beings on earth? Who > were > > they paying for? I wonder... > > I know all this isn't directly related to astrology, but who knows, > understanding this might help us fathom other niceties in astro. Actually these questions are very much related to astrology and it should be able to give us a guidance in them. Now the first birth of a jiva in this world is due to the fact that she misused her free will and voluntarily wanted to give up God's service. Therefore she gets a physical body in which the jiva tries to enjoy independently of God. This is a logn story, so I'm just giving a hint. Yours, Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer gauranga Jyotish Remedies: WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET Phone:+36-309-140-839 _______ Get your free @ address at Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2002 Report Share Posted January 9, 2002 Hi Ramapriya, it has a lot to do with my personal study of astrology, so th= anks for starting the thread, Take care, Angie refutation \Ref`u*ta"tion\ (r?f`?*t?"sh?n), n. [L. refutatio: cf. F. r[´e]f= utation.] The act or process of refuting or disproving, or the state of bein= g refuted; proof of falsehood or error; the overthrowing of an argument, opi= nion, testimony, doctrine, or theory, by argument or countervailing proof. vedic astrology, "ramapriya_d" <ramapriya_d> wrote: > Hi all, > > One reply to my question on moksha was to the effect that our birth > is in a way a curse and that they're because of the bad karmas of our > > past life. Since I've seen nothing in refutation of that supposition, > I've three more corollaries... > > 1. How are infant deaths to be interpreted? My reasoning would be > that their past lives had been excellent and only a little residual > > punishment had to be borne by being born. > > 2. Is it right to assume that balarishta yogas in horoscopes are > actually emancipation yogas, since children can't obviously do any > bad > > karmas? > > 3. What about the bad karmas of an individual with the indications of > moksha in his horoscope, as stated in BPHS? How can anyone with > > such a chart get away without punishment? > > 4. If all births are for the bad karmas of the previous life, what > about the birth of the very first set of human beings on earth? Who > were > > they paying for? I wonder... > > I know all this isn't directly related to astrology, but who knows, > understanding this might help us fathom other niceties in astro. > > Warm regards, > > Ramapriya > > hubli@v... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2002 Report Share Posted January 9, 2002 I shall answer all your questions just answer <<<which came first egg or hen ??? >>>so simple question for you ......... Best Regards Srinagesh ramapriya_d <ramapriya_d > wrote: Hi all,One reply to my question on moksha was to the effect that our birth is in a way a curse and that they're because of the bad karmas of our past life. Since I've seen nothing in refutation of that supposition, I've three more corollaries...1. How are infant deaths to be interpreted? My reasoning would be that their past lives had been excellent and only a little residual punishment had to be borne by being born.2. Is it right to assume that balarishta yogas in horoscopes are actually emancipation yogas, since children can't obviously do any bad karmas?3. What about the bad karmas of an individual with the indications of moksha in his horoscope, as stated in BPHS? How can anyone with such a chart get away without punishment?4. If all births are for the bad karmas of the previous life, what about the birth of the very first set of human beings on earth? Who were they paying for? I wonder...I know all this isn't directly related to astrology, but who knows, understanding this might help us fathom other niceties in astro.Warm regards,Ramapriyahubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) comArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Do You ? Send FREE video emails in Mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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