Guest guest Posted January 27, 2002 Report Share Posted January 27, 2002 Dear Gurus and Friends, I request you to clear a doubt for me. Do all the yogs in BPHS and other shastras consider natural malefics/benefics or functional malefics/benefics? I was of the opinion that they referred to functional m/b, but some e-mails in the past few days mentioned otherwise. I just want to clarify. Thanking you, Krishna. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2002 Report Share Posted January 27, 2002 Vyam Vysadevaya Namah ---- Der Krishna, If the texts had referred to Functional qualities, they would have described the difference betwen functional and natural malefics/benefics. The texts refer to Natural Malefics/benefics. Otherwise they would refer to lordships as well. Try to understand the difference between natural and functional qualities. I have given so many examples of this in the past. Just because Mars is Yoga Karaka for you, doesn't mean that Mars aspecting Lagna, won't leave scars on your face?! Hope this helps. Best wishes, Visti. --- Krishna Savani <krishna_savani wrote: > Dear Gurus and Friends, > > I request you to clear a doubt for me. Do all the > yogs in BPHS and other shastras consider natural > malefics/benefics or functional malefics/benefics? > > I was of the opinion that they referred to > functional m/b, but some e-mails in the past few > days mentioned otherwise. I just want to clarify. > > Thanking you, > Krishna. > Great stuff seeking new owners in Auctions! http://auctions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2002 Report Share Posted January 27, 2002 Dear Visti, Thanks a lot for your answer. I just had some more question. Is exalted Mercury with Saturn always a malefic? Is there any exception to the rule when Prasara says that Mercury becomes a malefic if conjunct with a malefic? Also, would you say that the large predominance of malefics is due to the current Kaliyug? And do you think that the next incarnation of Lord Vishnu, Kakli, give potency to another planet, for example Uranus? This is because Prasara says that the 9 planets have gained potency from the 9 incarnations of Vishnu. Thanks once again for your help, With best wishes, Krishna. vedic astrology, Visti Larsen <in_joy_i_scream> wrote: > Vyam Vysadevaya Namah > ---- > Der Krishna, > If the texts had referred to Functional qualities, > they would have described the difference betwen > functional and natural malefics/benefics. > > The texts refer to Natural Malefics/benefics. > Otherwise they would refer to lordships as well. > > Try to understand the difference between natural and > functional qualities. > > I have given so many examples of this in the past. > Just because Mars is Yoga Karaka for you, doesn't mean > that Mars aspecting Lagna, won't leave scars on your > face?! > > Hope this helps. > Best wishes, Visti. > > --- Krishna Savani <krishna_savani> wrote: > > Dear Gurus and Friends, > > > > I request you to clear a doubt for me. Do all the > > yogs in BPHS and other shastras consider natural > > malefics/benefics or functional malefics/benefics? > > > > I was of the opinion that they referred to > > functional m/b, but some e-mails in the past few > > days mentioned otherwise. I just want to clarify. > > > > Thanking you, > > Krishna. > > > > > > > Great stuff seeking new owners in Auctions! > http://auctions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2002 Report Share Posted January 27, 2002 Vyam Vysadevaya Namah ------------------ Dear Krishna, I've tried to answer your questions. Is exalted Mercury with Saturn always a malefic? Is there any exception to the rule when Prasara says that Mercury becomes a malefic if conjunct with a malefic? Visti: Mercury is easily swayed by others. Mercury is a young student learning which paths to take in life. In truth Mercury is an inocent boy, but then someone influences him, and will color his life and actions. Mercury will not be able to afflict any planet. Actually he is a benefic, but not very strong and easily pursuaded. So Mercury with the Moon, who is his true father, will make him excert the flirtatious and dirty qualities which led to his birth. Mercury luckily was taken in by Brihaspati, and taught the propper ways. Mercury Exalted and with Saturn, will make a very determined person and very direct and strict. Will follow orders, and be very straight-forward, maybe even wicked. Also, would you say that the large predominance of malefics is due to the current Kaliyug? Visti: The 4 yugas Krta, Treta, Dwapara and Kali, resemble the fiery, water, airy and earthy signs respectively. Jupiter gets debilitated in the earthy sign; Capricorn, hence in Kali Yuga, peoples memory will be low. Mars gets exalted in Cap.. hence more fights. Mercury gets exalted in Virgo, hence e ask even more questions. And do you think that the next incarnation of Lord Vishnu, Kakli, give potency to another planet, for example Uranus? This is because Prasara says that the 9 planets have gained potency from the 9 incarnations of Vishnu. Visti: Nono, the 10 Avataras and the 10 Shakti, resemble the 9 Grahas and Lagna.Thanks once again for your help,With best wishes,Krishna.Best wishesm, Visti. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2002 Report Share Posted January 27, 2002 Dear Visti, Thanks a lot for your detailed and enlightening answer. I am highly grateful to you. But I beg to trouble you once more. I have exalted Mercury conjunct with Saturn for Leo Lagna. Must I consider Mercury to be a natural malefic or benefic for the purposes of determining the existence of yogs as outlined in BPHS? With warm regards, Krishna. vedic astrology, "Visti Larsen" <in_joy_i_scream> wrote: > Vyam Vysadevaya Namah > ------------------ > Dear Krishna, > I've tried to answer your questions. > > Is exalted Mercury with Saturn always a malefic? Is there any > exception to the rule when Prasara says that Mercury becomes a > malefic if conjunct with a malefic? > > Visti: Mercury is easily swayed by others. Mercury is a young student > learning which paths to take in life. In truth Mercury is an inocent boy, > but then someone influences him, and will color his life and actions. > > Mercury will not be able to afflict any planet. Actually he is a benefic, > but not very strong and easily pursuaded. > > So Mercury with the Moon, who is his true father, will make him excert the > flirtatious and dirty qualities which led to his birth. > > Mercury luckily was taken in by Brihaspati, and taught the propper ways. > > Mercury Exalted and with Saturn, will make a very determined person and very > direct and strict. Will follow orders, and be very straight- forward, maybe > even wicked. > > > Also, would you say that the large predominance of malefics is due to the > current Kaliyug? > > Visti: The 4 yugas Krta, Treta, Dwapara and Kali, resemble the fiery, > water, airy and earthy signs respectively. > > Jupiter gets debilitated in the earthy sign; Capricorn, hence in Kali Yuga, > peoples memory will be low. Mars gets exalted in Cap.. hence more fights. > Mercury gets exalted in Virgo, hence e ask even more questions. > > And do you think that the next incarnation of > Lord Vishnu, Kakli, give potency to another planet, for example > Uranus? This is because Prasara says that the 9 planets have gained > potency from the 9 incarnations of Vishnu. > > Visti: Nono, the 10 Avataras and the 10 Shakti, resemble the 9 Grahas and > Lagna. > > Thanks once again for your help, > With best wishes, > Krishna. > > Best wishesm, Visti. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2002 Report Share Posted January 28, 2002 Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya ------------------------- Dear Krishna, Like i said. Mercury will not afflict, hence he's not a malefic. In your case, people must find that you have a very analytical, yet wicked speach. But i guess truth hurts sometimes.. Do not worry about wealth, and also check 2nd from Arudha Lagna. No planet will damage their own sign! Best wishes, Visti. - krishna_savani vedic astrology Monday, January 28, 2002 6:48 AM [vedic astrology] Re: Malefics, Benefics Dear Visti,Thanks a lot for your detailed and enlightening answer. I am highly grateful to you.But I beg to trouble you once more. I have exalted Mercury conjunct with Saturn for Leo Lagna. Must I consider Mercury to be a natural malefic or benefic for the purposes of determining the existence of yogs as outlined in BPHS?With warm regards,Krishna.vedic astrology, "Visti Larsen" <in_joy_i_scream> wrote:> Vyam Vysadevaya Namah> ------------------> Dear Krishna,> I've tried to answer your questions.> > Is exalted Mercury with Saturn always a malefic? Is there any> exception to the rule when Prasara says that Mercury becomes a> malefic if conjunct with a malefic?> > Visti: Mercury is easily swayed by others. Mercury is a young student> learning which paths to take in life. In truth Mercury is an inocent boy,> but then someone influences him, and will color his life and actions.> > Mercury will not be able to afflict any planet. Actually he is a benefic,> but not very strong and easily pursuaded.> > So Mercury with the Moon, who is his true father, will make him excert the> flirtatious and dirty qualities which led to his birth.> > Mercury luckily was taken in by Brihaspati, and taught the propper ways.> > Mercury Exalted and with Saturn, will make a very determined person and very> direct and strict. Will follow orders, and be very straight-forward, maybe> even wicked.> > > Also, would you say that the large predominance of malefics is due to the> current Kaliyug?> > Visti: The 4 yugas Krta, Treta, Dwapara and Kali, resemble the fiery,> water, airy and earthy signs respectively.> > Jupiter gets debilitated in the earthy sign; Capricorn, hence in Kali Yuga,> peoples memory will be low. Mars gets exalted in Cap.. hence more fights.> Mercury gets exalted in Virgo, hence e ask even more questions.> > And do you think that the next incarnation of> Lord Vishnu, Kakli, give potency to another planet, for example> Uranus? This is because Prasara says that the 9 planets have gained> potency from the 9 incarnations of Vishnu.> > Visti: Nono, the 10 Avataras and the 10 Shakti, resemble the 9 Grahas and> Lagna.> > Thanks once again for your help,> With best wishes,> Krishna.> > Best wishesm, Visti.Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2002 Report Share Posted January 31, 2002 Om Gurave Namah Dear Visti, Vyam Vysadevaya Namah ------------------ Dear Krishna, I've tried to answer your questions. Is exalted Mercury with Saturn always a malefic? Is there any exception to the rule when Prasara says that Mercury becomes a malefic if conjunct with a malefic? Visti: Mercury is easily swayed by others. Mercury is a young student learning which paths to take in life. In truth Mercury is an inocent boy, but then someone influences him, and will color his life and actions. Mercury will not be able to afflict any planet. Actually he is a benefic, but not very strong and easily pursuaded. mso-color-alt:windowtext"> So Mercury with the Moon, who is his true father, will make him excert the flirtatious and dirty qualities which led to his birth. Mercury luckily was taken in by Brihaspati, and taught the propper ways. Mercury Exalted and with Saturn, will make a very determined person and very direct and strict. Will follow orders, and be very straight-forward, maybe even wicked. font-weight:bold"> font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">The statements you’ve made above for Mercury seems rather contrary and befits the dualistic nature of Gemini. With Mercury exalted in an Earthy sign, will Mother Earth/Virgo naturally nurture Mercury’s wanton ways? Or will Bhoomi naturally guide Mercury the correct path/Dharma? font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">How can Mercury become wicked when he is neutral to Saturn, the 7th lord and that Saturn of both 6th and 7th does not encroach on his space in the 2nd house as Saturn is friends with Mercury. Naturally, in the house of passion, this person’s passionate speech will be somewhat contained; not necessarily lacking fore thought before speech that is, considering Mercury is always almost too close to Sun. No? font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">Further, will the cache come through one’s spouse/Darakaraka with this placement? Or will A2 and A7 give the more comprehensive details? font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">I can imagine the wisdom one begets through one’s spouse/Darakaraka with Jupiter being the 5th lord. font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">Will this person become the wise jyotish [we all aspire to be] as exalted Mercury looks at the 8th of the mystical house? font-family:"Comic Sans MS""> font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">Thanks, Swee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2002 Report Share Posted February 1, 2002 Vyam Vysadevaya Namah -------- Dear Swee, The statements you’ve made above for Mercury seems rather contrary and befits the dualistic nature of Gemini. With Mercury exalted in an Earthy sign, will Mother Earth/Virgo naturally nurture Mercury’s wanton ways? Or will Bhoomi naturally guide Mercury the correct path/Dharma? Visti: Signs don't have characters, but planets do. Remember Planets=people, Signs=places. Hence any planets associating with mercury will color the charachter, whilst the placement will show where this quality is excerted. Mercury enjoys being in Virgo(natural 6th) where he can study and research like the true dhimantah he is. How can Mercury become wicked when he is neutral to Saturn, the 7th lord Visti: Actually Mars is more wicked, but still Mercury will take on the character of Saturn no matter their relationship. Their relationship may show how well this fits into the persons everyday life, or if theres a conflict of interest. and that Saturn of both 6th and 7th does not encroach on his space in the 2nd house as Saturn is friends with Mercury. Naturally, in the house of passion, this person’s passionate speech will be somewhat contained; not necessarily lacking fore thought before speech that is, considering Mercury is always almost too close to Sun. No? Visti: Oui madam, but theres little passion in Saturn. Exalted Merc in 2nd house, shows a person who talks alot, hence i went straight to defining what comes out of the mouthe. Further, will the cache come through one’s spouse/Darakaraka with this placement? Or will A2 and A7 give the more comprehensive details? Visti: 2nd house keeps you alive or kills you. Not necessarily give you gains. The Darakaraka in 2nd house could show the association with the opposite sex, early in life. The planets joining/aspecting will show the quality of these associations. A7 shows what type of people that were associated with. V7 shows their caste. A2 would show more details regarding the family, and persons relationship to wealth. If you wanto see where the gains come from, then see 11th from AL. Will this person become the wise jyotish [we all aspire to be] as exalted Mercury looks at the 8th of the mystical house? Visti: He will prolly talk alot about it =), but whether he will be a good jyotish depends on much more. Best wishes, Visti. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2002 Report Share Posted February 3, 2002 font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">Om Gurave Namah font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">Dear Visti font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:blue">Visti: Signs don't have characters, but planets do. Remember Planets=people, Signs=places. font-family:"Comic Sans MS""> font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">Swee: Depending on the context. All dual signs aspected have been covered in the previous mail. Am I missing something? color:blue">How can Mercury become wicked when he is neutral to Saturn, the 7th lord font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:blue">Visti: Actually Mars is more wicked, [truncated] font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:blue"> font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:blue">Swee : Mars is capable of giving raja yoga, and it being the badhak is also the controller of success or failure in this nativity. font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:blue"> font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:blue">Visti: Oui madam, but theres little passion in Saturn. Exalted Merc in 2nd house, shows a person who talks alot, hence i went straight to defining what comes out of the mouthe. color:blue">Swee font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:blue">Further, will the cache come through one’s spouse/Darakaraka with this placement? Or will A2 and A7 give the more comprehensive details? font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:blue">Visti: 2nd house keeps you alive or kills you. Not necessarily give you gains. font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:blue">Swee: Absolutely. It denotes the “wealth” that associates with a strong lineage through one’s own family. font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:blue"> font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:blue">Visti: The Darakaraka in 2nd house could show the association with the opposite sex, early in life. font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:blue">The planets joining/aspecting will show the quality of these associations. font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:blue">A7 shows what type of people that were associated with. font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:blue">V7 shows their caste. font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:blue">A2 would show more details regarding the family, and persons relationship to wealth. color:blue">If you wanto see where the gains come from, then see 11th from AL. "Comic Sans MS";color:blue;mso-ansi-language:ES-TRAD">Swee: No, no. mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:blue">“Wealth” comes through wisdom in so many aspects, and it comes through one’s lineage/cache [includes D-9]. Aru’s query is Saturn’s placement [2nd house] and then proceeded to ask about his 12th , so the assumption here is: mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">Own family/”wealth” that he will or has built. mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">His own association with his parents. But more so his mother [Moon, and natural 4th house significations, Scorpio. Mars also rules the 9th here, so includes father. Lagna lord is Sun] mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">Asking about the 12th may also include prospects abroad. [Ketu was not mentioned, so I will exclude meditative inclinations for the mean time]. color:blue">I will stop here font-family:Wingdings;mso-ascii-font-family:"Comic Sans MS";mso-hansi-font-family: "Comic Sans MS";color:blue;mso-char-type:symbol;mso-symbol-font-family:Wingdings">J mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:blue"> font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:blue"> Namaste, Swee font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:blue">Visti: He will prolly talk alot about it =), but whether he will be a good jyotish depends on much more. color:blue"> font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:blue">Best wishes, Visti. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2002 Report Share Posted February 3, 2002 Vyam Vysadevaya Namah --------- Dear Swee, Swee: Depending on the context. All dual signs aspected have been covered in the previous mail. Am I missing something? ? What context expain. Ok lets leave this line, i guess i missed something you wrote. Swee : Mars is capable of giving raja yoga, and it being the badhak is also the controller of success or failure in this nativity. Succes and obstacles. Not failure(12th). Swee: No, no. “Wealth” comes through wisdom in so many aspects, and it comes through one’s lineage/cache [includes D-9]. When i got my last paycheck, it didn't come from my lineage, but a phone company i work for. Thats where i got my gains this time, through communications(Mercury). 11th from AL, shows where i 'seem' to get my money from. Are you forgetting Sanjays teachings? But how i actually went about to get those gains, must be seen from 9th house and 10th house from LAGNA. So i guess we are running around in circles, yet are both right. I'll let you analyse his chart. Best wishes, Visti. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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