Guest guest Posted February 18, 2002 Report Share Posted February 18, 2002 It is easy to understand that Mc= intelligence, ie it needs an inbuilt/ internal system of organisation, to relate/ translate/ & thus understand an idea. Versus Wisdom, which does NOT need such a crystallising seed/ pigeon-holes to translate perceptions of reality to understandable ideas. I also understand that Judgement, is more Jp than Mn But who rules wisdom : Mn or Jp? Rather, what is the difference in their rulership over Wisdom, if both are strong, benign, etc, ie without confusing with other issues. It is not enough to say, Mn only reflects/ translates for us, the Sn's wisdom, which (Sn's direction as natural AK) is messaged at a soul-level, & hence, ununderstandeable, as is - while Jp provides the open soil in our minds for the Sn's wisom to reach us. There is something that Mn does, vs what Jp does, in translating the Sn's directions, which I have not fathomed. On another note, St is NOT the most enigmatic planet. It is MOON. The most benefic, the worst malefic, etc etc. Most difficult to understand, in any chart. Regards Nandan Zoran Radosavljevic <ahimsa (AT) NSpoint (DOT) net> wrote: Jaya Jagannath!Dear Partha and jyotishas,Karaka for intelligence is GURU. He rules DHI-Shakti or intelligence coupledwith wisdom and good judgement to chose the right karma or action. Otherwise,karaka for intellect and intellectual discrimination is Budha, but Budha isnetural. There is a mistake of the intellect. He cannot observe the wholenesswhich underlines the creation. It functions on the level or APARA.. Theunifying value of intelligence which can behold the PARA is given by Guru.For that reason, some classics state that budh should be under the aspect ofGuru to give Raja Yoga. Budha or intellect needs guidence from GURU or DhiShakti. Logic is aslo given by Ketu and Mangal. Mangal rules sharp intellectbut stuborn and rush, while Ketu gives power to think at the abstract level(as in meditaion). Rahu is also very intelligent according to Parashara. Hegives enourmous grasping power, however with some sort of cunningness. Thatis why he managed to steal the AMRITA from Gods. Shani rules debilitationsign of Guru, so he would damage Dhi-Shakti considerably. That is why shanirules the theives-no Dhi-Shakti. It is yet true that well placed shani wouldgive intovert mind and inwardness, which is good for ascetic mind, but it hasnothing to do with intelligence.Best wishes,Zoran--Zoran RadosavljevicJyotish Teacher at Shri Jagannath Vedic Centremails: ahimsa (AT) NSpoint (DOT) net ahimsa (AT) neobee (DOT) netweb address: http://www.sjvc.co.yuArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Download exciting Logos, Picture Messages &; Ringtones for your mobile phone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2002 Report Share Posted February 18, 2002 Dear Nandan, Thank you for an insightful post on the list. Indeed, moon is the most enigmatic planet to understand in any chart. I have noticed, that texts and the research articles usually skirt the issue of moon while citing the examples of various horoscopes, try to avoid delving in depth upon its singular effect on charts. Its like a slippery character which illudes past most people. It grips the mind and hence memory, imagination. The mental energizer perhaps rather than the wisdom giver? Gives the power to the mind to seek out Jupiter's wisdom? Jupiter is all wisdom, the protector. Moon is all about goodness. When benefic, it is supremely benefic, when weak (not necessarily malefic) it creates a miasma over the mind, so that the subject views the world as if through a haze and does know what he or she is doing. I am no astrologer, but just some observations... Sarbani Nandan Chakraborty wrote: > Part 1.1 Type: Plain Text (text/plain) > Encoding: 8bit Attachment: vcard [not shown] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2002 Report Share Posted February 19, 2002 om gurave namah ------------------------ Dear sarabani, One point: I guess it must be a slip - Moon does not give power to the Mind. It is the MIND itself. It is that field where everybody plays and it is the empire - fair to both the teams. That is why it does not consider anyone as an enemy. With best wishes Sanjay Rath Web: http://sanjayrath.tripod.com Services: http://sanjayrath.tripod.com/zservices.htm Jyotish Digest: http://jyotishdigest.com/ SJVC: http://www.sjvc.org/ - "Sarbani Sarkar" <sarbani <vedic astrology> Tuesday, February 19, 2002 11:57 AM Re: Wisdom: Mn vs Jp: Re: [vedic astrology] Intelligence Dear Nandan, Thank you for an insightful post on the list. Indeed, moon is the most enigmatic planet to understand in any chart. I have noticed, that texts and the research articles usually skirt the issue of moon while citing the examples of various horoscopes, try to avoid delving in depth upon its singular effect on charts. Its like a slippery character which illudes past most people. It grips the mind and hence memory, imagination. The mental energizer perhaps rather than the wisdom giver? Gives the power to the mind to seek out Jupiter's wisdom? Jupiter is all wisdom, the protector. Moon is all about goodness. When benefic, it is supremely benefic, when weak (not necessarily malefic) it creates a miasma over the mind, so that the subject views the world as if through a haze and does know what he or she is doing. I am no astrologer, but just some observations... Sarbani Nandan Chakraborty wrote: > Part 1.1 Type: Plain Text (text/plain) > Encoding: 8bit Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2002 Report Share Posted February 19, 2002 Dear Nandan, > But who rules wisdom : Mn or Jp? Rather, what is the difference in > their rulership over Wisdom, if both are strong, benign, etc, ie > without confusing with other issues. It is not enough to say, Mn only > reflects/ translates for us, the Sn's wisdom, which (Sn's direction as > natural AK) is messaged at a soul-level, & hence, ununderstandeable, > as is - while Jp provides the open soil in our minds for the Sn's > wisom to reach us. > Jupiter is wisdom, while Moon is MIND-MANAS. Mind reflects the LIGHT OF ATMA (SURYA). SUN is not wisdom. IT is atma, it is APARA level of Transcendental Self. Everything in this material everchangeing field of GUNAS is relfection of Self. Mind is also reflection of self. Guru is wisdom. He is PRECEPTOR who rules DHI Shakti or the ability to reach the Self and Uphold Dharma. Moon is not wisdom. Rather, well placed moon gives fertile and stable mind, common-sense in ordinary words.. > > There is something that Mn does, vs what Jp does, in translating the > Sn's directions, which I have not fathomed. > On another note, St is NOT the most enigmatic planet. It is MOON. The > most benefic, the worst malefic, etc etc. Most difficult to > understand, in any chart. Why do you think so? Moon strength is judged from its PAKSHA, the amount of LIGHT he would be able to catch from SUN. That means, how much LIGHT from ATMA the mind would be able to REFLECT...I do not find it most difficult to judge. Just apply the ordinary process, and see its PAKSHA BALA, and relationship with other grahas, most preferably GURU, Than we would have GAJA KESHARI, right? In case GURU is in shashtaka relationship with CHANDRA, we would have SHAKATA yogas or cycles of fortune and misfortune. CHANDRA is sustainer. He sustains everything.. the Great Mother DEVINE of all Creation. Even yogas wouldn't fare well when Chandra is weak.. Hope this helps, Best wishes, Zoran -- Zoran Radosavljevic Jyotish Teacher at Shri Jagannath Vedic Centre mails: ahimsa ahimsa web address: http://www.sjvc.co.yu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2002 Report Share Posted February 19, 2002 Dear Sanjay, I meant it in that spirit. Maybe the framing of my sentence was wrong. Yes, indeed the mind is the playing field. And when the light of the benefic moon is strong and washes over that field, it enriches, empowers, rejuvenates, perhaps brings to life the power that is inherent therein. Perhaps it is the 'strengthening' factor. Provided it can uphold its 'strength' vis-a-vis the other players in the field? And is it not the interplay between the various 'strengths' and 'lights' over the empire of the mind, that we are involved in understanding here? And what about the x factor, the free will, what is its role in this game? Or is that role too determined by the preordained celestial interplay? Does the X factor have a special relationship with the moon? And is it not the interplay finally between the astral and the physical, a microcosmic connection displaying a greater macrocosmic one? Best regards, Sarbani Sanjay Rath wrote: om gurave namah ------------------------ Dear sarabani, One point: I guess it must be a slip - Moon does not give power to the Mind. It is the MIND itself. It is that field where everybody plays and it is the empire - fair to both the teams. That is why it does not consider anyone as an enemy. With best wishes Sanjay Rath Web: http://sanjayrath.tripod.com Services: http://sanjayrath.tripod.com/zservices.htm Jyotish Digest: http://jyotishdigest.com/ SJVC: http://www.sjvc.org/ - "Sarbani Sarkar" <sarbani (AT) vsnl (DOT) com> <vedic astrology> Tuesday, February 19, 2002 11:57 AM Re: Wisdom: Mn vs Jp: Re: [vedic astrology] Intelligence Dear Nandan, Thank you for an insightful post on the list. Indeed, moon is the most enigmatic planet to understand in any chart. I have noticed, that texts and the research articles usually skirt the issue of moon while citing the examples of various horoscopes, try to avoid delving in depth upon its singular effect on charts. Its like a slippery character which illudes past most people. It grips the mind and hence memory, imagination. The mental energizer perhaps rather than the wisdom giver? Gives the power to the mind to seek out Jupiter's wisdom? Jupiter is all wisdom, the protector. Moon is all about goodness. When benefic, it is supremely benefic, when weak (not necessarily malefic) it creates a miasma over the mind, so that the subject views the world as if through a haze and does know what he or she is doing. I am no astrologer, but just some observations... Sarbani Nandan Chakraborty wrote: > Part 1.1 Type: Plain Text (text/plain) > Encoding: 8bit || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || Your use of is subject to || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || Terms of Service. Attachment: (image/gif) C:\WINDOWS\TEMP\nsmailKM.gif [not stored] Attachment: (image/gif) C:\WINDOWS\TEMP\nsmail5D.gif [not stored] Attachment: vcard [not shown] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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