Gainer vs Loser in VRY Viparit yoga, viparit raj yoga-dear nandan

February 28, 2002

Dear Partha

As I understand from Gurudev's teachings (NOT from any personal

experience):

The gainer/ loser could be ANY of the significations ie house occupied

or ruled by the participating (NOT a specific rule).

Subject to the following additional considerations:

a) If one of the planets has some dignity (deb vs xltd, etc), it will

gain at expense of the other accordingly.

b) Any planet conjoining them is definitely damaged.

c) If Lagna lord/ AK conjoins aspects them, the rise is native-specific

(but does that mean no loser?: I am not comfortable abt this, as it is

supposed to be Viparit RY after all), else it is due to fall of

another.

So much I say by rote.

Cheers

Nandan

--- partvinu5 <partvinu5 wrote:

<ok agreed that there are more than two dusthana lords in kona sthana

and they are strong, then could u please tell me, who is gaining, who

is losing among the three. simply put, who is giving VRY or vipareeta

raja yoga

vedic astrology, Nandan Chakraborty <nanadhan>

wrote:

> Partha

>

> Let me correct u as per what I have learnt from our Gurudev.

>

> I am ignoring the following VRYs as they are not being discussed

here:

> a) weak St related, b) Arudh Lagna related.

>

> Dusthan lords in dusthan (other than own) could form weak VRYs

> (basically UttarKalamrit's definition). However, strong VRYs are

formed

> by 2 CONJOINING dusthan lords in a) dusthan (relatively weaker

> version), & b) kendra OR KON. So Dr Banerjee's reference chart has

a

> VERY STRONG VRY.

>

> Regards

>

> Nandan

>

> --- partvinu5 <partvinu5> wrote:

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> dear doctor

>

> the principles state that it is two or more dusthana lords in

kendra

>

> or dusthana. viz for taurus lagna jupiter in 12th, mars in 8th and

> both of them weak and un assoicated. or jupiter and mars in kendra

> very strong, viz in 10th house.

>

> in the example that you had quoted it is a kona!!!.

>

> regards

> partha

>

> vedic astrology, "Dr.D.Banerjee"

> drdilip@s... wrote:

> > JAY JAGANNATH

> > -------------------

> > Dear partha,

> >

> > In a mail to this group you wrote

> >

> > I think you have heard of Vipareet raj yoga.

> >

> > dusthana lords in another dusthana weak, dusthana lords in

kendras

>

> > strong give this kind of raja yoga that is VRY.

> >

> > But there must not be too many fellows besides these

dusthana

> lords

> > as there might be transfer of power.

> >

> > 1. Two dusthana planet conjoing in a dusthana. The

precondition of

>

> a

> > strong VYR of this nature is that the lords should be weak.

When

>

> this

> > happen the significations of the dusthana suffer and the

native

>

> gains

> > from it. This mostly happens with the down fall of some of

the

>

> > native's enemies. Moreover the relations indicated by the

planets

>

> > naisargika and chara karakatwa also suffer when the native

gains

>

> from

> > the VRY. Here consider 3rd house also as dusthana

besides

> 6/8/12.

> >

> > 2. Two dusthana lords strongly placed in a kendra (or trikona)

and

>

> no

> > other planet conjoin them (in such case there will be transfer

of

>

> > power to the third planet, whereby the karakatwa of the third

> planet

> > will gain). Here the planets involved should be strongly

placed

>

> > unlike the 1st principle. In this case if the atmakaraka or

the

>

> lagna

> > has association with VR Yogakaraka, the native will himself

gained

>

> > otherwise the native will rise with rise of others.

> >

> > 3. If the Karaka of duthanas, Saturn is placed in a

dusthana-

weak

> (

> > or kendra - strong) as a yogakaraka (Taurus, Libra

Lagna).

> >

> > In a hosroscope of a person with Taurus Lagna, all the three

> dusthana lords are in the 9th house,viz. Jupiter, Venus and

> Mars.Please let me know , how will you interprete it!

> >

> > Regards

> > Dilip Banerjee.

>

> =====

>

> Best wishes

>

> Nandan

>

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February 28, 2002

Dear all,

I would also like to know the results of the same. As

I have my 6th lord Mercury and 8th lord Sun in the 12

house. I know this qualifies for VRY but again the

intensity is what we are discussing now. also my

mercury is combust.

I am also enclosing my chart for reference.

Thanks

Saikumar

--- Nandan Chakraborty <nanadhan wrote:

> Dear Partha

>

> As I understand from Gurudev's teachings (NOT from

> any personal

> experience):

>

> The gainer/ loser could be ANY of the significations

> ie house occupied

> or ruled by the participating (NOT a specific rule).

>

> Subject to the following additional considerations:

> a) If one of the planets has some dignity (deb vs

> xltd, etc), it will

> gain at expense of the other accordingly.

> b) Any planet conjoining them is definitely damaged.

>

> c) If Lagna lord/ AK conjoins aspects them, the rise

> is native-specific

> (but does that mean no loser?: I am not comfortable

> abt this, as it is

> supposed to be Viparit RY after all), else it is due

> to fall of

> another.

>

> So much I say by rote.

>

> Cheers

>

> Nandan

>

> --- partvinu5 <partvinu5 wrote:

> <ok agreed that there are more than two dusthana

> lords in kona sthana

> and they are strong, then could u please tell me,

> who is gaining, who

> is losing among the three. simply put, who is giving

> VRY or vipareeta

> raja yoga

>

> vedic astrology, Nandan Chakraborty

> <nanadhan>

> wrote:

> > Partha

> >

> > Let me correct u as per what I have learnt from

> our Gurudev.

> >

> > I am ignoring the following VRYs as they are not

> being discussed

> here:

> > a) weak St related, b) Arudh Lagna related.

> >

> > Dusthan lords in dusthan (other than own) could

> form weak VRYs

> > (basically UttarKalamrit's definition). However,

> strong VRYs are

> formed

> > by 2 CONJOINING dusthan lords in a) dusthan

> (relatively weaker

> > version), & b) kendra OR KON. So Dr Banerjee's

> reference chart has

> a

> > VERY STRONG VRY.

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > Nandan

> >

> > --- partvinu5 <partvinu5> wrote:

> > <HR>

> > <html><body>

> >

> > <tt>

> > dear doctor

> >

> > the principles state that it is two or more

> dusthana lords in

> kendra

> >

> > or dusthana. viz for taurus lagna jupiter in 12th,

> mars in 8th and

>

>

> > both of them weak and un assoicated. or jupiter

> and mars in kendra

>

>

> > very strong, viz in 10th house.

> >

> > in the example that you had quoted it is a

> kona!!!.

> >

> > regards

> > partha

> >

> > vedic astrology,

> "Dr.D.Banerjee"

> > drdilip@s... wrote:

> > > JAY JAGANNATH

> > > -------------------

> > > Dear partha,

> > >

> > > In a mail to this group you wrote

> > >

> > > I think you have heard of Vipareet raj

> yoga.

> > >

> > > dusthana lords in another dusthana weak,

> dusthana lords in

> kendras

> >

> > > strong give this kind of raja yoga that is

> VRY.

> > >

> > > But there must not be too many fellows

> besides these

> dusthana

> > lords

> > > as there might be transfer of power.

> > >

> > > 1. Two dusthana planet conjoing in a

> dusthana. The

> precondition of

> >

> > a

> > > strong VYR of this nature is that the lords

> should be weak.

> When

> >

> > this

> > > happen the significations of the dusthana

> suffer and the

> native

> >

> > gains

> > > from it. This mostly happens with the down

> fall of some of

> the

> >

> > > native's enemies. Moreover the relations

> indicated by the

> planets

> >

> > > naisargika and chara karakatwa also suffer

> when the native

> gains

> >

> > from

> > > the VRY. Here consider 3rd house also

> as dusthana

> besides

> > 6/8/12.

> > >

> > > 2. Two dusthana lords strongly placed in a

> kendra (or trikona)

>

> and

> >

> > no

> > > other planet conjoin them (in such case there

> will be transfer

>

> of

> >

> > > power to the third planet, whereby the

> karakatwa of the third

>

>

> > planet

> > > will gain). Here the planets involved should

> be strongly

> placed

> >

> > > unlike the 1st principle. In this case if the

> atmakaraka or

> the

> >

> > lagna

> > > has association with VR Yogakaraka, the

> native will himself

> gained

> >

> > > otherwise the native will rise with rise of

> others.

> > >

> > > 3. If the Karaka of duthanas, Saturn is

> placed in a

> dusthana-

> weak

> > (

> > > or kendra - strong) as a yogakaraka (Taurus,

> Libra

> Lagna).

> > >

> > > In a hosroscope of a person with Taurus

> Lagna, all the three

>

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