Guest guest Posted February 28, 2002 Report Share Posted February 28, 2002 dear nandan why i asked the question back was because you had quoted by rote. learnt some lessons and anwered that if x,y,z are there in some rasi there is some effect. i know that you are trying very hard and are infact a great mercurian. Being a jovian myself i appreciate your learning ability and ability to question. My mercury in dhanu lagna has a role for this appreciation. Now coming to your question, see i cannot agree that three fellows namely jupiter, mars and venus in 9th for taurus lagna can give VRY. the basic condition for VRY is that the planets that are forming should be mutilated and bruised in wars and thus the third party winning. If we take the classical VRy where weak dusthana lords in a dusthana say for virgo lagna mars and jupiter in 12th weak. this may cause real VRY. i disagree with you regarding sustenance point. If they are forming in kendras or konas there is long term sustencace and if in dusthanas and weak is not giving sustenance is really far fetched. NTR was not from a brilliant and rich backgroung. Saturn is the best yogakaraka for librans. then why is it that saturn in 12th gave him raja yoga and extraordinary fame. that too in saturn dasa. Not because saturn is 4th cum 5th lord, it is due to SATurn being a natural significator of all that is hardship and suffering.(Read as 6th, 12th etc) coming back to taurus query, infact jupiter and mars are ok, what about venus, i think venus is spoiling VRY. OK OK, lagna lord conjoing or aspecting, AK conjoining or aspecting rule should not be forgotten. But the problem here is that it is kona and jupiter and mars for this specific lagna should rise above the ashes and make venus also rise above the ashes. ALl the three should be strong. venus rises with the rise of other two. WHAT A RARITY. If it is a dusthana no problem, but in kona or kendra???? well well well, it is nearly a herculian task to see your enemies rising and you also rising. is it plausible. So it brings back the fundamental question. who is gaining. who is losing. venus should gain right. so ask dr.banerjee to provide the full details of the chart and see who is the srongest, if it is venus then there is a chance for VRY. regards partha vedic astrology, Nandan Chakraborty <nanadhan> wrote: > Dear Gurus & friends > > I have been reading a very enlightening book by R Lakshmanan, who is/ > used to be a very reputed astrologer 2-3 decades back. 1/4 way thru. > Got stuck at his comment that "badhak in 9= sadhak"= RY= rise to the > top. He was talking about St L10/11 in Sg for Ar Lg. But in the > reference, I understood that he was talking in general for badhak in 9, > & taking this case only as an example. > > Most of the rest of the book is VERY good, replete with example- charts > on each page, to cover EACH & EVERY concept in the text (unlike many > modern authors who only collect aphorisms, so that most of their books > are a monotone of serial nos, of X in Y+ Z assoc by T= wicked mother). > So I cant ignore this statement, just b'cos I cd not understand it. > > What I understand is that badhakesh should ideally be weak (in dusthan, > esp in 12= excellent, debilitated, combust, etc). Any clues? > > Gurudev said that if I meditate every morning, & start looking at > charts, all my answers will start coming to me. Well, much noise is > being made in the mornings, as daily mantras are being full- throatedly > recited(thank u Karen Sloker, for the clarification & VRA ref). Tho, as > for meditation, Gurus, please give me a little more time - its not > really happening properly (hyperactive mind). But somehow, all these > seemingly easy answers (like gainer/ loser in VRY, & Zoran's famous > doubel negatives, & now this one) continue to elude me. > > St conjoins my Jp, slowing wisdom's effort in reaching me. But > slowneasy wins the race, says St, ie if the audience is still awake/ > alive by the time u reach the finishing line. > > ===== > > Best wishes > > Nandan > > > ____________________ __ > Looking for a job? Visit India Careers > Visit http://in.careers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2002 Report Share Posted March 1, 2002 dear Doctor banerjee Analysing for a small child is not correct. But certainly i dont think there is VRY. Venus is stronger compared to mars and jupiter. He will rise but not due to VRY but due to his own initiatives. See his lagna lord is in bhagya sthana. This boy is master of his own fate. He would be very hard pressed to work under someone. VRY is not there i repeat, but he will gain in course of time. regards partha vedic astrology, "Dr.D.Banerjee" <drdilip@s...> wrote: > JAY JAGANNATH > ------------- > Dear Partha , Nandan Babu and the List, > Namaste > > I have been watching with great interest the discussion between you on this baffling VRY.Partha, you have asked the details of the chart. I am attaching it here. I have not yet been able to understand the real meaning of the three dusthana lords in a kona. One more question here, all the three planets also own three more houses, i.e. Lagna, 7th house , and 11th house. What will happen to the indications of these houses due to this occurence of VRY in 9th house? > > As the discussion has not reached to any conclusive turns yet, may I request our Gurus to intervene and help the list to understand VRY in a proper way. > > With warm regards > Dilip Banerjee. > > - > partvinu5 > vedic astrology > Thursday, February 28, 2002 10:32 PM > [vedic astrology] VRY?-dear Nandan and list > > > dear nandan > > why i asked the question back was because you had quoted by rote. > learnt some lessons and anwered that if x,y,z are there in some rasi > there is some effect. i know that you are trying very hard and are > infact a great mercurian. Being a jovian myself i appreciate your > learning ability and ability to question. My mercury in dhanu lagna > has a role for this appreciation. > > Now coming to your question, see i cannot agree that three fellows > namely jupiter, mars and venus in 9th for taurus lagna can give VRY. > the basic condition for VRY is that the planets that are forming > should be mutilated and bruised in wars and thus the third party > winning. > > If we take the classical VRy where weak dusthana lords in a dusthana > say for virgo lagna mars and jupiter in 12th weak. this may cause > real VRY. i disagree with you regarding sustenance point. If they are > forming in kendras or konas there is long term sustencace and if in > dusthanas and weak is not giving sustenance is really far fetched. > > NTR was not from a brilliant and rich backgroung. Saturn is the best > yogakaraka for librans. then why is it that saturn in 12th gave him > raja yoga and extraordinary fame. that too in saturn dasa. Not > because saturn is 4th cum 5th lord, it is due to SATurn being a > natural significator of all that is hardship and suffering.(Read as > 6th, 12th etc) > > coming back to taurus query, infact jupiter and mars are ok, what > about venus, i think venus is spoiling VRY. OK OK, lagna lord > conjoing or aspecting, AK conjoining or aspecting rule should not be > forgotten. But the problem here is that it is kona and jupiter and > mars for this specific lagna should rise above the ashes and make > venus also rise above the ashes. ALl the three should be strong. > venus rises with the rise of other two. WHAT A RARITY. > > If it is a dusthana no problem, but in kona or kendra???? > well well well, it is nearly a herculian task to see your enemies > rising and you also rising. is it plausible. So it brings back the > fundamental question. who is gaining. who is losing. venus should > gain right. so ask dr.banerjee to provide the full details of the > chart and see who is the srongest, if it is venus then there is a > chance for VRY. > > regards > partha > > > > > > vedic astrology, Nandan Chakraborty <nanadhan> wrote: > > Dear Gurus & friends > > > > I have been reading a very enlightening book by R Lakshmanan, who > is/ > > used to be a very reputed astrologer 2-3 decades back. 1/4 way thru. > > Got stuck at his comment that "badhak in 9= sadhak"= RY= rise to the > > top. He was talking about St L10/11 in Sg for Ar Lg. But in the > > reference, I understood that he was talking in general for badhak > in 9, > > & taking this case only as an example. > > > > Most of the rest of the book is VERY good, replete with example- > charts > > on each page, to cover EACH & EVERY concept in the text (unlike many > > modern authors who only collect aphorisms, so that most of their > books > > are a monotone of serial nos, of X in Y+ Z assoc by T= wicked > mother). > > So I cant ignore this statement, just b'cos I cd not understand it. > > > > What I understand is that badhakesh should ideally be weak (in > dusthan, > > esp in 12= excellent, debilitated, combust, etc). Any clues? > > > > Gurudev said that if I meditate every morning, & start looking at > > charts, all my answers will start coming to me. Well, much noise is > > being made in the mornings, as daily mantras are being full- > throatedly > > recited(thank u Karen Sloker, for the clarification & VRA ref). > Tho, as > > for meditation, Gurus, please give me a little more time - its not > > really happening properly (hyperactive mind). But somehow, all these > > seemingly easy answers (like gainer/ loser in VRY, & Zoran's famous > > doubel negatives, & now this one) continue to elude me. > > > > St conjoins my Jp, slowing wisdom's effort in reaching me. But > > slowneasy wins the race, says St, ie if the audience is still awake/ > > alive by the time u reach the finishing line. > > > > ===== > > > > Best wishes > > > > Nandan > > > > > > > ____________________ > __ > > Looking for a job? Visit India Careers > > Visit http://in.careers. > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-@e... > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Terms of Service. 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Guest guest Posted March 1, 2002 Report Share Posted March 1, 2002 JAY JAGANNATH ------------- Dear Partha , Nandan Babu and the List, Namaste I have been watching with great interest the discussion between you on this baffling VRY.Partha, you have asked the details of the chart. I am attaching it here. I have not yet been able to understand the real meaning of the three dusthana lords in a kona. One more question here, all the three planets also own three more houses, i.e. Lagna, 7th house , and 11th house. What will happen to the indications of these houses due to this occurence of VRY in 9th house? As the discussion has not reached to any conclusive turns yet, may I request our Gurus to intervene and help the list to understand VRY in a proper way. With warm regards Dilip Banerjee. - partvinu5 vedic astrology Thursday, February 28, 2002 10:32 PM [vedic astrology] VRY?-dear Nandan and list dear nandanwhy i asked the question back was because you had quoted by rote. learnt some lessons and anwered that if x,y,z are there in some rasi there is some effect. i know that you are trying very hard and are infact a great mercurian. Being a jovian myself i appreciate your learning ability and ability to question. My mercury in dhanu lagna has a role for this appreciation.Now coming to your question, see i cannot agree that three fellows namely jupiter, mars and venus in 9th for taurus lagna can give VRY. the basic condition for VRY is that the planets that are forming should be mutilated and bruised in wars and thus the third party winning.If we take the classical VRy where weak dusthana lords in a dusthana say for virgo lagna mars and jupiter in 12th weak. this may cause real VRY. i disagree with you regarding sustenance point. If they are forming in kendras or konas there is long term sustencace and if in dusthanas and weak is not giving sustenance is really far fetched.NTR was not from a brilliant and rich backgroung. Saturn is the best yogakaraka for librans. then why is it that saturn in 12th gave him raja yoga and extraordinary fame. that too in saturn dasa. Not because saturn is 4th cum 5th lord, it is due to SATurn being a natural significator of all that is hardship and suffering.(Read as 6th, 12th etc)coming back to taurus query, infact jupiter and mars are ok, what about venus, i think venus is spoiling VRY. OK OK, lagna lord conjoing or aspecting, AK conjoining or aspecting rule should not be forgotten. But the problem here is that it is kona and jupiter and mars for this specific lagna should rise above the ashes and make venus also rise above the ashes. ALl the three should be strong. venus rises with the rise of other two. WHAT A RARITY.If it is a dusthana no problem, but in kona or kendra????well well well, it is nearly a herculian task to see your enemies rising and you also rising. is it plausible. So it brings back the fundamental question. who is gaining. who is losing. venus should gain right. so ask dr.banerjee to provide the full details of the chart and see who is the srongest, if it is venus then there is a chance for VRY.regardspartha--- In vedic astrology, Nandan Chakraborty <nanadhan> wrote:> Dear Gurus & friends> > I have been reading a very enlightening book by R Lakshmanan, who is/> used to be a very reputed astrologer 2-3 decades back. 1/4 way thru.> Got stuck at his comment that "badhak in 9= sadhak"= RY= rise to the> top. He was talking about St L10/11 in Sg for Ar Lg. But in the> reference, I understood that he was talking in general for badhak in 9,> & taking this case only as an example. > > Most of the rest of the book is VERY good, replete with example-charts> on each page, to cover EACH & EVERY concept in the text (unlike many> modern authors who only collect aphorisms, so that most of their books> are a monotone of serial nos, of X in Y+ Z assoc by T= wicked mother).> So I cant ignore this statement, just b'cos I cd not understand it.> > What I understand is that badhakesh should ideally be weak (in dusthan,> esp in 12= excellent, debilitated, combust, etc). Any clues?> > Gurudev said that if I meditate every morning, & start looking at> charts, all my answers will start coming to me. Well, much noise is> being made in the mornings, as daily mantras are being full-throatedly> recited(thank u Karen Sloker, for the clarification & VRA ref). Tho, as> for meditation, Gurus, please give me a little more time - its not> really happening properly (hyperactive mind). But somehow, all these> seemingly easy answers (like gainer/ loser in VRY, & Zoran's famous> doubel negatives, & now this one) continue to elude me. > > St conjoins my Jp, slowing wisdom's effort in reaching me. But> slowneasy wins the race, says St, ie if the audience is still awake/> alive by the time u reach the finishing line.> > =====> > Best wishes> > Nandan> > > ______________________> Looking for a job? Visit India Careers> Visit http://in.careers.Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Attachment: (application/octet-stream) example.jhd [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2002 Report Share Posted March 1, 2002 Dear Dilip, I have been watching with great interest the discussion between you on this baffling VRY.Partha, you have asked the details of the chart. I am attaching it here. I have not yet been able to understand the real meaning of the three dusthana lords in a kona. One more question here, all the three planets also own three more houses, i.e. Lagna, 7th house , and 11th house. What will happen to the indications of these houses due to this occurence of VRY in 9th house? ZORAN: This is the real case of Viprita with transfer of power to LAGNA LORD SHUKRA. So sudden shifts of fortune would result after or in the course of some calamity... This may be expected around 25/26 Venus natural years..Shukra is pitrukarak, while Rahu is matrukarak... The family front is in trouble. The first 9 years of life are dangerous to mother, simha being in trines to Matru rudra. Rahu as matrukarak is supposed to guard mother during the first nine years, yet, mangal and shukra dristi would surely bring some pain.. Best wishes, Zoran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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