Guest guest Posted March 30, 2002 Report Share Posted March 30, 2002 Britains's Queen Mother passed away earlier today. Below is her Birth data. She lived 101 years. Would appreciate learned members comments so beginners like myself may learn concepts on Longevity, Timing of Death, Ashtakvarga, Divisional charts (D11), Transits etc. Her Birth Details are: August 4, 1900; 12:30:00 AM (GMT) 0W 10; 51N 30. She died today at 03:15:00 PM (GMT) Om Shanti, Ashwin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2002 Report Share Posted March 31, 2002 >From SanjayJi's book a "Saham is a point in the horoscope signifying a particular event in life" For the Queen Mother Mrityu Saham = 202.297(Moon)-246.645(8L-Saturn) +60.325 (Ascendant) + 30 = 45.977 (Taurus, 16 degrees) Saturn in Transit is at Queen Mothers Mrityu Saham - Taurus, 16 degrees. Any other explanations ? Ashwin. vedic astrology, "kash2364" <kansagra@h...> wrote: > Britains's Queen Mother passed away earlier today. Below is > her Birth data. She lived 101 years. Would appreciate learned > members comments so beginners like myself may learn concepts on > Longevity, Timing of Death, Ashtakvarga, Divisional charts (D11), > Transits etc. > > Her Birth Details are: > August 4, 1900; 12:30:00 AM (GMT) > 0W 10; 51N 30. > > She died today at 03:15:00 PM (GMT) > Om Shanti, > > Ashwin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2002 Report Share Posted April 1, 2002 Vyam Vysadevaya Namah ------------- Dear Ashwin, The Lagna should be Taurus, with Ketu fitting her personality best, as a serving devoted wife. Ketu in Taurus also fits her appearance. Picture attached. Mercury lords Ghati Lagna, and 7th from Hora Lagna, as well as aspecting Lagna (Taurus) by Rasi Dristi. During Mercury Dasa, and Cancer Narayana Dasa her and her spouse wer crowned Queen and King of England respectively. They gained their kingdom(Sun lords 4th and is joined Mercury), due to the abdication of relatives(Mercury lords 2nd and placed in 3rd whilst retrogade). Note that 3rd house is a Maraka for family(2nd from 2nd). For more, you can check Dasamsa and Su-Dasa as well. Longevity: Using the Method of 3 Pairs, i get 2 pairs showing Long life, whilst the last shows Middle. i.e. Lifespan can be upto 108 years. Also check Lords of 1st, 10th and 8th in Trimsamsa(D-30). Death happened in the Navamsa Dasa of Virgo, being 3rd from Arudha Lagna, and aspecting the 2nd house from Lagna. This was during the Vimshottari Dasa of Rahu placed in the 7th house from Lagna hence becoming Maraka. Narayana Dasa of Taurus, who's 7th house; Scorpio is a Maraka Rasi as well, housing 8th lord. The Tithi was Triteeya, indicated by Mars aspecting the 5th house(10th from 8th). The Lagna was Leo, indicated by Sun joining Arudha Lagna. Best wishes, Visti. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2002 Report Share Posted April 1, 2002 Vyam Vysadevaya Namah -------------- Dear Gurudeva, Namaste. Its HH Queen Elizabeths Mother, who's also named Elizabeth, that recently died.. I also ran into this confusion. Prince Charles is the Son of HH, whilst HH's mother is the one who died, at the age of 101. Best wishes, Visti. --- Sanjay Rath <srath wrote: > > om gurave namah > ------------------------ > Dear Ashwin > Is that time 00:30' or 12:30' Please confirm. > For your interest, I had examined the chart of > Prince Charles on the basis of available data and > had made the follwoing predictions: (Check my > website for the full article) > > "The present Narayana Dasa of Leo (14 November 1997 > to 13 November 2006) is the second house from the > ascendant and shows increase in the fortunes of the > Royal family, it is the 11th house from Arudha Lagna > and shows gains from lands and other sources of > income. The Royal family regains its lost popularity > through a series of good steps. Sick enterprises and > delayed projects will gain a fresh lease of life. A > very good effort will be made to re-establish old > values and traditions. > > However, Saturn aspects and afflicts the fourth > house (both by planetary and sign sight), the > Matripada (A4 in Leo) and the Moon (by sign sight). > Being a natural malefic, the effects of Saturn will > be felt in the latter part of the Dasa, say 2003 to > 2006 AD. This coincides with the Matri Shoola Dasa > of Aries having the Moon afflicted by Rahu, Saturn & > Mars (either by conjunction or sign sight) > confirming the danger to the health of his mother. > The Vimsottari Dasa of Rahu - Mercury is from > December 2002 to July 2005. Treat the fourth house > as the Lagna of Mother. Rahu is placed in the > seventh from it both in Rasi and Dwadasamsa and can > be adverse for the health of parents. Mercury is the > third lord in the Rasi chart and is placed in > debility in the second from the fourth house in the > Dwadasamsa (D-12 Chart). This is expected to be an > adverse period in health matters for HH Queen > Elizabeth." > > My error was 8 months off between March 2002 > (Event) and December 2002 (expected/predicted). The > calculations were made using a simple calculator and > this can serve as another example on the need to > fine tune the Ayanamsa to a bit more accuracy. > > I humbly accept my error in prediction. If only > I had her chart also. > > With best wishes > Sanjay Rath > Web: http://sanjayrath.tripod.com > Services: http://sanjayrath.tripod.com/zservices.htm > Jyotish Digest: http://jyotishdigest.com/ > SJVC: http://www.sjvc.org/ > - > "kash2364" <kansagra > <vedic astrology> > Sunday, March 31, 2002 4:22 AM > [vedic astrology] Death of Queen Mother, > Elizabeth > > > Britains's Queen Mother passed away earlier today. > Below is > her Birth data. She lived 101 years. Would > appreciate learned > members comments so beginners like myself may learn > concepts on > Longevity, Timing of Death, Ashtakvarga, Divisional > charts (D11), > Transits etc. > > Her Birth Details are: > August 4, 1900; 12:30:00 AM (GMT) > 0W 10; 51N 30. > > She died today at 03:15:00 PM (GMT) > Om Shanti, > > Ashwin. > > > ------------------------ Sponsor > > Archives: > vedic astrology > > Group info: > vedic astrology/info.html > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu > || > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > Greetings - send holiday greetings for Easter, Passover http://greetings./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2002 Report Share Posted April 1, 2002 om gurave namah ------------------------ Dear Visti That means it is the Grandmother who died. In any case Matri shoola will apply as the results for mothers relatives are all from Matri shoola. With best wishes Sanjay Rath Web: http://sanjayrath.tripod.com Services: http://sanjayrath.tripod.com/zservices.htm Jyotish Digest: http://jyotishdigest.com/ SJVC: http://www.sjvc.org/ - "Visti Larsen" <in_joy_i_scream <vedic astrology> Tuesday, April 02, 2002 12:47 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Death of Queen Mother, Elizabeth Vyam Vysadevaya Namah -------------- Dear Gurudeva, Namaste. Its HH Queen Elizabeths Mother, who's also named Elizabeth, that recently died.. I also ran into this confusion. Prince Charles is the Son of HH, whilst HH's mother is the one who died, at the age of 101. Best wishes, Visti. --- Sanjay Rath <srath wrote: > > om gurave namah > ------------------------ > Dear Ashwin > Is that time 00:30' or 12:30' Please confirm. > For your interest, I had examined the chart of > Prince Charles on the basis of available data and > had made the follwoing predictions: (Check my > website for the full article) > > "The present Narayana Dasa of Leo (14 November 1997 > to 13 November 2006) is the second house from the > ascendant and shows increase in the fortunes of the > Royal family, it is the 11th house from Arudha Lagna > and shows gains from lands and other sources of > income. The Royal family regains its lost popularity > through a series of good steps. Sick enterprises and > delayed projects will gain a fresh lease of life. A > very good effort will be made to re-establish old > values and traditions. > > However, Saturn aspects and afflicts the fourth > house (both by planetary and sign sight), the > Matripada (A4 in Leo) and the Moon (by sign sight). > Being a natural malefic, the effects of Saturn will > be felt in the latter part of the Dasa, say 2003 to > 2006 AD. This coincides with the Matri Shoola Dasa > of Aries having the Moon afflicted by Rahu, Saturn & > Mars (either by conjunction or sign sight) > confirming the danger to the health of his mother. > The Vimsottari Dasa of Rahu - Mercury is from > December 2002 to July 2005. Treat the fourth house > as the Lagna of Mother. Rahu is placed in the > seventh from it both in Rasi and Dwadasamsa and can > be adverse for the health of parents. Mercury is the > third lord in the Rasi chart and is placed in > debility in the second from the fourth house in the > Dwadasamsa (D-12 Chart). This is expected to be an > adverse period in health matters for HH Queen > Elizabeth." > > My error was 8 months off between March 2002 > (Event) and December 2002 (expected/predicted). The > calculations were made using a simple calculator and > this can serve as another example on the need to > fine tune the Ayanamsa to a bit more accuracy. > > I humbly accept my error in prediction. If only > I had her chart also. > > With best wishes > Sanjay Rath > Web: http://sanjayrath.tripod.com > Services: http://sanjayrath.tripod.com/zservices.htm > Jyotish Digest: http://jyotishdigest.com/ > SJVC: http://www.sjvc.org/ > - > "kash2364" <kansagra > <vedic astrology> > Sunday, March 31, 2002 4:22 AM > [vedic astrology] Death of Queen Mother, > Elizabeth > > > Britains's Queen Mother passed away earlier today. > Below is > her Birth data. She lived 101 years. Would > appreciate learned > members comments so beginners like myself may learn > concepts on > Longevity, Timing of Death, Ashtakvarga, Divisional > charts (D11), > Transits etc. > > Her Birth Details are: > August 4, 1900; 12:30:00 AM (GMT) > 0W 10; 51N 30. > > She died today at 03:15:00 PM (GMT) > Om Shanti, > > Ashwin. > > > ------------------------ Sponsor > > Archives: > vedic astrology > > Group info: > vedic astrology/info.html > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu > || > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > Greetings - send holiday greetings for Easter, Passover http://greetings./ Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2002 Report Share Posted April 1, 2002 Dear Sanjay Ji and Visti, Thank you for your interpretations/readings on the Queen Mother. I have a lot to learn ! Waldemar posted the birth time and place as different from what I posted. Waldemar's time of 11:30am is almost 13 hours off (after) what I had posted. The time of birth (0030 hours or 30min past MN)and the place of birth details (lat, long) that I posted were from the files in the BirthDataBank in the "Files" section under Birth Charts of Famous People". I was not successful in getting either times verified. Sanjay Ji, I read your predictions on Prince Charles on your website. There is a common feeling in the United Kingdom that Prince Charles will not become a King and that after the present reign the next Monarch will be the son of Prince Charles. Let us see how things unfold. Again, Many thanks to both You and Visti. Ashwin. vedic astrology, "Sanjay Rath" <srath@v...> wrote: > > om gurave namah > ------------------------ > Dear Visti > That means it is the Grandmother who died. In any case Matri shoola will > apply as the results for mothers relatives are all from Matri shoola. > With best wishes > Sanjay Rath > Web: http://sanjayrath.tripod.com > Services: http://sanjayrath.tripod.com/zservices.htm > Jyotish Digest: http://jyotishdigest.com/ > SJVC: http://www.sjvc.org/ > - > "Visti Larsen" <in_joy_i_scream> > <vedic astrology> > Tuesday, April 02, 2002 12:47 AM > Re: [vedic astrology] Death of Queen Mother, Elizabeth > > > Vyam Vysadevaya Namah > -------------- > Dear Gurudeva, Namaste. > Its HH Queen Elizabeths Mother, who's also named > Elizabeth, that recently died.. I also ran into this > confusion. > > Prince Charles is the Son of HH, whilst HH's mother is > the one who died, at the age of 101. > > Best wishes, Visti. > > --- Sanjay Rath <srath@v...> wrote: > > > > om gurave namah > > > ------------------------ > > Dear Ashwin > > Is that time 00:30' or 12:30' Please confirm. > > For your interest, I had examined the chart of > > Prince Charles on the basis of available data and > > had made the follwoing predictions: (Check my > > website for the full article) > > > > "The present Narayana Dasa of Leo (14 November 1997 > > to 13 November 2006) is the second house from the > > ascendant and shows increase in the fortunes of the > > Royal family, it is the 11th house from Arudha Lagna > > and shows gains from lands and other sources of > > income. The Royal family regains its lost popularity > > through a series of good steps. Sick enterprises and > > delayed projects will gain a fresh lease of life. A > > very good effort will be made to re-establish old > > values and traditions. > > > > However, Saturn aspects and afflicts the fourth > > house (both by planetary and sign sight), the > > Matripada (A4 in Leo) and the Moon (by sign sight). > > Being a natural malefic, the effects of Saturn will > > be felt in the latter part of the Dasa, say 2003 to > > 2006 AD. This coincides with the Matri Shoola Dasa > > of Aries having the Moon afflicted by Rahu, Saturn & > > Mars (either by conjunction or sign sight) > > confirming the danger to the health of his mother. > > The Vimsottari Dasa of Rahu - Mercury is from > > December 2002 to July 2005. Treat the fourth house > > as the Lagna of Mother. Rahu is placed in the > > seventh from it both in Rasi and Dwadasamsa and can > > be adverse for the health of parents. Mercury is the > > third lord in the Rasi chart and is placed in > > debility in the second from the fourth house in the > > Dwadasamsa (D-12 Chart). This is expected to be an > > adverse period in health matters for HH Queen > > Elizabeth." > > > > My error was 8 months off between March 2002 > > (Event) and December 2002 (expected/predicted). The > > calculations were made using a simple calculator and > > this can serve as another example on the need to > > fine tune the Ayanamsa to a bit more accuracy. > > > > I humbly accept my error in prediction. If only > > I had her chart also. > > > > With best wishes > > Sanjay Rath > > Web: http://sanjayrath.tripod.com > > Services: http://sanjayrath.tripod.com/zservices.htm > > Jyotish Digest: http://jyotishdigest.com/ > > SJVC: http://www.sjvc.org/ > > - > > "kash2364" <kansagra@h...> > > <vedic astrology> > > Sunday, March 31, 2002 4:22 AM > > [vedic astrology] Death of Queen Mother, > > Elizabeth > > > > > > Britains's Queen Mother passed away earlier today. > > Below is > > her Birth data. She lived 101 years. Would > > appreciate learned > > members comments so beginners like myself may learn > > concepts on > > Longevity, Timing of Death, Ashtakvarga, Divisional > > charts (D11), > > Transits etc. > > > > Her Birth Details are: > > August 4, 1900; 12:30:00 AM (GMT) > > 0W 10; 51N 30. > > > > She died today at 03:15:00 PM (GMT) > > Om Shanti, > > > > Ashwin. > > > > > > ------------------------ Sponsor > > > > Archives: > > vedic astrology > > > > Group info: > > > vedic astrology/info.html > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > > vedic astrology-@e... > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu > > || > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings - send holiday greetings for Easter, Passover > http://greetings./ > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-@e... > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted April 1, 2002 Report Share Posted April 1, 2002 OM Dear Sanjay Rathji, Please verify error is due to ayanamsa or taking days in an year as 365/365.25 or else. I also faced such silly errors while doing calculations for old charts. -sreekumar - Sanjay Rath Varahamihira ; Gjlist (AT) (DOT) Com ; vedic astrology Tuesday, April 02, 2002 12:22 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Death of Queen Mother, Elizabeth om gurave namah------------------------Dear Ashwin Is that time 00:30' or 12:30' Please confirm. For your interest, I had examined the chart of Prince Charles on the basis of available data and had made the follwoing predictions: (Check my website for the full article) "The present Narayana Dasa of Leo (14 November 1997 to 13 November 2006) is the second house from the ascendant and shows increase in the fortunes of the Royal family, it is the 11th house from Arudha Lagna and shows gains from lands and other sources of income. The Royal family regains its lost popularity through a series of good steps. Sick enterprises and delayed projects will gain a fresh lease of life. A very good effort will be made to re-establish old values and traditions. However, Saturn aspects and afflicts the fourth house (both by planetary and sign sight), the Matripada (A4 in Leo) and the Moon (by sign sight). Being a natural malefic, the effects of Saturn will be felt in the latter part of the Dasa, say 2003 to 2006 AD. This coincides with the Matri Shoola Dasa of Aries having the Moon afflicted by Rahu, Saturn & Mars (either by conjunction or sign sight) confirming the danger to the health of his mother. The Vimsottari Dasa of Rahu - Mercury is from December 2002 to July 2005. Treat the fourth house as the Lagna of Mother. Rahu is placed in the seventh from it both in Rasi and Dwadasamsa and can be adverse for the health of parents. Mercury is the third lord in the Rasi chart and is placed in debility in the second from the fourth house in the Dwadasamsa (D-12 Chart). This is expected to be an adverse period in health matters for HH Queen Elizabeth." My error was 8 months off between March 2002 (Event) and December 2002 (expected/predicted). The calculations were made using a simple calculator and this can serve as another example on the need to fine tune the Ayanamsa to a bit more accuracy. I humbly accept my error in prediction. If only I had her chart also. With best wishesSanjay RathWeb: http://sanjayrath.tripod.comServices: http://sanjayrath.tripod.com/zservices.htmJyotish Digest: http://jyotishdigest.com/SJVC: http://www.sjvc.org/ - "kash2364" <kansagra (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> <vedic astrology> Sunday, March 31, 2002 4:22 AM [vedic astrology] Death of Queen Mother, Elizabeth Britains's Queen Mother passed away earlier today. Below is her Birth data. She lived 101 years. Would appreciate learned members comments so beginners like myself may learn concepts on Longevity, Timing of Death, Ashtakvarga, Divisional charts (D11), Transits etc.Her Birth Details are: August 4, 1900; 12:30:00 AM (GMT) 0W 10; 51N 30.She died today at 03:15:00 PM (GMT)Om Shanti,Ashwin.------------------------ Sponsor ---------------------~-->FREE COLLEGE MONEYCLICK HERE to search600,000 scholarships!http://us.click./iZp8OC/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/.8XolB/TM---~->Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Your use of is subject to Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... ____ Scanned and protected by email scanner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2002 Report Share Posted April 1, 2002 Namaste Sreekumar, In response to Sanjay ji's > My error was 8 months off between March 2002 (Event) > and December 2002 (expected/predicted). The calculations were > made using a simple calculator and this can serve as another > example on the need to fine tune the Ayanamsa to a bit more > accuracy. you wrote: > Dear Sanjay Rathji, > Please verify error is due to ayanamsa or taking days > in an year as 365/365.25 or else. I also faced such silly > errors while doing calculations for old charts. > > -sreekumar Actually, an error of 0.25 days per year cannot make a difference of more than 13-14 days. Even ayanamsa is not a likely factor. In the case of Prince Charles, even an error of half a degree in ayanamsa will change dasa dates by just 3 months. An error of 8-9 months cannot be just due to ayanamsa error. Gross errors in Moon's position (because a poor ephemeris is used) can give such a large errors. That is one possibility. The other possibility is that the dasa year used is wrong. For example, if one takes 360-day years (instead of solar years), then dasa dates move ahead by 9 months and the antardasa Sanjay ji wanted starts in March 2002 instead of December 2002. Even if 360- tithi years are used, we are in the middle of the antardasa singled out by Sanjay ji. Of course, I know that Sanjay ji uses only solar years in nakshatra dasas, but the above is ONE possibility to explain the error. May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2002 Report Share Posted April 3, 2002 another possibility is to consider Jupiter in debility vedic astrology, "pvr108" <pvr@c...> wrote: > Namaste Sreekumar, > > In response to Sanjay ji's > > > My error was 8 months off between March 2002 (Event) > > and December 2002 (expected/predicted). The calculations were > > made using a simple calculator and this can serve as another > > example on the need to fine tune the Ayanamsa to a bit more > > accuracy. > > you wrote: > > > Dear Sanjay Rathji, > > Please verify error is due to ayanamsa or taking days > > in an year as 365/365.25 or else. I also faced such silly > > errors while doing calculations for old charts. > > > > -sreekumar > > Actually, an error of 0.25 days per year cannot make a difference of > more than 13-14 days. > > Even ayanamsa is not a likely factor. In the case of Prince Charles, > even an error of half a degree in ayanamsa will change dasa dates by > just 3 months. An error of 8-9 months cannot be just due to ayanamsa > error. > > Gross errors in Moon's position (because a poor ephemeris is used) > can give such a large errors. That is one possibility. The other > possibility is that the dasa year used is wrong. > > For example, if one takes 360-day years (instead of solar years), > then dasa dates move ahead by 9 months and the antardasa Sanjay ji > wanted starts in March 2002 instead of December 2002. Even if 360- > tithi years are used, we are in the middle of the antardasa singled > out by Sanjay ji. > > Of course, I know that Sanjay ji uses only solar years in nakshatra > dasas, but the above is ONE possibility to explain the error. > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > Narasimha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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