Guest guest Posted March 31, 2002 Report Share Posted March 31, 2002 Dear Visti, Om Sai Ram. When the different entities forming a yoga are one and the same, does the yoga still hold good? I am giving some scenarios: (1)if a yoga requires the 5th lord to conjoin /aspect jupiter and in a particular chart, jup happens to be the 5th lord, will this scenario qualify for the yoga? (2)Suppose a yoga requires conjunction/aspect of 2 lords say 2L and 5L and both happen to be Jup in case of Sc ascendent. So, here will the yoga be implicitly there? (3)Like in your case, you have the AL and UL conjunct. So the lords of AL and UL happens to be one and the same. In Rajabhrasta Yoga given by BV Raman, Conjunction of the Lords of Vyayapada(A12) and Lagnapada(AL) is required. Since the lord for both AL and UL are common in your case, will you qualify for this yoga? I tend to take the implicit meaning of the yoga in above cases. This intutively feels right in case of conjunction but is this approach correct when aspect between the common entities is wanted (like aspect of 5L on 2L)? Please clarify. Regards, Saraswathy. P.S. Sorry, I didn't consider the retrograde motion of the nodes while distingushing between Kala Sarpa/Amrita yogas and hence wrongly interpected your having the Kala Sarpa. vedic astrology, "in_joy_i_scream" <in_joy_i_scream> wrote: > Vyam Vysadevaya Namah > -------------------- > Dear Aravinda & Saraswathy, > I thought i had answered this thread, but i guess not. > > The reason is due to the Kala Amrita Yoga. > Hence all raja Yogas will only function within the Domain of Ketu, > until age of Ketu's Maturity(45). > > Sun doesn't break the kala amrita yoga, it just makes sure i do > dharma in the realm of spirituality.. This is to avoid me > associating with such mystics that do evil deeds like sacrificing > living beings, or other adharma. > > Sun would however break a Kala Sarpa Yoga. > Benefics breaking a Kala Sarpa/Amrita Yoga, do infact break the > Yoga, as they give fruits and blessings. > > > I don't entirely understand the Rajabhrasta Yoga given by BV Raman, > besides it reads; Lords of Vyayapada(A12) and Lagnapada(AL), > joined.. This doesn't sound right to me. Its true that the joining > of Lagnapada and Upapada(A12) does make one spend so much time with > the wife that some activities may suffer from it. But.... > > Answer to Aravindas private mail: > Arudha Padas in the 12th from another Pada, get ignorred by the > respective Pada. > > Example: Upapada in 12th from Lagnapada, makes one ignore ones > spouse. Such people take marriage for granted, and are chauvanistic > towards the opposite sex. > > Best wishes, Visti. > > > vedic astrology, "aru_dulla" <aru_dulla> wrote: > > Dear Saraswathy...........................................I think > > visti has kaala amritha yoga not ksy. This would make him highly > > spiritual. The KAY is broken by sun tosome extent. I don't rhink > > presence of KAY/KSY nullifies raja yogas in a chart provided they > are > > strong and present in other divisional charts as well. I am > waiting > > for what visti has to say about this. > > > > regards > > Aru > > > > > > vedic astrology, "vs_saras" <vs_saras@h...> wrote: > > > Dear Visti, > > > > > > Om Sai Ram. > > > > > > The first thing I noticed in your chart was the presence of Kala > > > Sarpa yoga which is said > > > to nullify other yogas. But in your case since Lagna is between > > Rahu > > > and Ketu, its evil gets > > > almost nuetralized. Also, according to BV Raman, KSY makes one > > > industrious, hardworking and > > > aware of one's own capability and raises the native to top > > positions > > > provided Raja yogas are > > > present which is true in your case. > > > > > > I think the point which you are referring to is the presence of > > > Rajabrashta yoga because > > > of AL and UL being conjunct. I read it in "Three hunded > important > > > combinations" by > > > B.V.Raman. It can hinder/nuetralize the effects of Rajayoga. Am > I > > > correct? Do you know > > > the logic behind this? > > > > > > Your chart is interesting because your Lg, GL and HL all fall in > > the > > > 1H. So, any planet > > > having an association with the 1H becomes a Mahayogada. > > > Your mahayogadas are: Rahu, Ketu, Mars,Sat and Sun. > > > Does the Mahayogada status of Rahu and Ketu lessen the bad > effects > > of > > > Kala Sarpa? > > > > > > You have several strong rajayogas: > > > (1)Parivartana between Jup(5L) and Ven(7L) > > > (2)Parivartana between Sun(10L) and Mars(1L) > > > (3)Moon(9L) conjunct with Sat(4L) > > > (4) Rah(4L) in 9H > > > (5)Sun(10L) in 1H > > > > > > RY by graha Drishti: > > > (1)Rahu(4L) gives 2nd aspect to Mars(1L) > > > (2)Mars(1L) gives 4th aspect to Sun(10L), its dispositor > > > > > > RY by rasi Drishti: > > > (1)Mars(1L) & Jup(5L) > > > (2)Mars & Ketu(1L) > > > (3)Moon(9L) & Ven(7L) > > > (4)Ketu(1L) & Sun(10L) > > > > > > Your mahayogadas and their effects: > > > (1) Sun -- You were born in Sun-Sat. The Sun Mahadasa would have > > > provided you with a > > > healthy constitution as a baby. > > > > > > (2)Moon-Since its conjunct with Sat, a mahayogada, this dasa > would > > > also have given > > > some rajayoga effects of Sat like longevity !?! What else? > > > > > > (3)Mars -- Mars dasa comprised your student life. During this > > period > > > you might have > > > come up as a hardworking student. Since its 1L, it would have > > > provided you with > > > a sound body and mind. You may have also assumed leadership > roles. > > > > > > (4)Rahu -- Presently you are running Ra-Ra in Vim. > > > Rah mahadasa would indicate profit through foriegn travel, > wealth > > > accumulation. > > > > > > Please correct my poor interpretation of the effects of > > mahayogadas. > > > > > > Will yogadas always give good effects? > > > > > > What did you mean by this statement? > > > ----- > > > So if a graha just has an association with HL only, it will not > > > qualify to be a > > > yogada, am I right? Instead what will this scenario signify? > > > > > > Visti: That the Yoga is given to someone else. > > > ----- > > > > > > You said: > > > ---- > > > in a way the Raja Yogas have come to pass, how? > > > ----- > > > Well, I don't know the actual answer to this but since RY are > > present > > > they will > > > fructify to some extent even though other factors may obstruct > or > > > take away the > > > effects of the RY. Am I right? > > > > > > Regards, > > > Saraswathy > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Visti Larsen" > <in_joy_i_scream> > > > wrote: > > > > Vyam Vysadevaya Namah > > > > --------------- > > > > Dear Saraswathy, > > > > > > > > (1)What areas or significations does yogada and Rajayoga > > influence? > > > > In my case, Jup®(5L) mutually aspects(7/7)the Sun(10L) giving > a > > > > Rajayoga. > > > > > > > > Visti: Yoga-Da; Giver of Yoga. These are used to time when > > > certain Yogas come to pass. i.e. if you have some Raja Yogas, > then > > > they will come to pass in the Dasa of the Yogada. > > > > > > > > > > > > (2)Does yogada need to be associated with the Rajayoga giving > > > planets > > > > and in what way? > > > > > > > > Visti: Not that i know off. > > > > > > > > (3)Does lordship,placement,nature(benefic/malefic) affect the > > power > > > > of yogada? > > > > > > > > Visti: The Yogada itself will determine how the Yoga comes; > > > Mars=fights/wars, Ketu=Revolutions/big change, > Saturn=dethrowning > > of > > > another, etc. > > > > > > > > (4) For a graha to be yogada, it has to have association with > > Lagna > > > > and any one or both of HL and GL, isn't it? So if a graha just > > has > > > an > > > > association with HL only, it will not qualify to be a yogada, > am > > I > > > > right? Instead what will this scenario signify? > > > > > > > > Visti: That the Yoga is given to someone else. > > > > > > > > (5)Grahas which are just yogadas are also good and in their > dasa > > > will > > > > show some effects, isn't it? > > > > > > > > Visti: Yes they will. > > > > > > > > (6) Will the yogada effects reflect in the subdasas of the > yogada > > > graha? > > > > > > > > Visti: Only if the Maha Dasa Graha supports it.. You need > to > > > learn more about Vimshottari to understand this. > > > > > > > > (7)yogadas will give effects depending on the number and > strength > > > of Rajayogas found, isn't it? > > > > > > > > Visti: 1 Raja Yoga is enough. But no Raja Yogas will come > to > > > pass, unless there also are Yogadas. > > > > > > > > (8) Rajayogas are with respect to graha drishti only, isn't > it? > > or > > > can rasi aspect be also considered? > > > > > > > > Visti: Both. Raja Yogas formed by Graha Dristi indicate the > > > desire to attain Raja Yoga, whilst the Rasi Dristi shows Raja > Yoga > > > through circumstances, hence could be unexpected, or wasn't the > > goal > > > of ones activities. > > > > > > > > There are however some dominating factors that may inhibit > these > > > yogas from coming to pass. I have attached my chart, please list > > the > > > yogadas and their effect.. what should have come to pass and why > > > haven't they yet?.. There is only 1 major reason, point it out.. > in > > a > > > way the Raja Yogas have come to pass, how? > > > > > > > > Hope this answers your questions, am eager to hear your reply. > > > > Best wishes, Visti. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2002 Report Share Posted April 1, 2002 Vyam Vysadevaya Namah ------------------- Dear Saraswathy, Go back and read some of the discussions on Yoga Karakas, that Gurudev Sanjay & Gaurangaj, so beutifully explained. Best wishes, Visti. - vs_saras vedic astrology Monday, April 01, 2002 9:21 AM [vedic astrology] Dear Visti-- Yogas Dear Visti,Om Sai Ram.When the different entities forming a yoga are one and the same, does the yoga still hold good? I am giving some scenarios:(1)if a yoga requires the 5th lord to conjoin /aspect jupiter and in a particular chart, jup happens to be the 5th lord, will this scenario qualify for the yoga?(2)Suppose a yoga requires conjunction/aspect of 2 lords say 2L and 5L and both happen to be Jup in case of Sc ascendent. So, here will the yoga be implicitly there?(3)Like in your case, you have the AL and UL conjunct. So the lords of AL and UL happens to be one and the same.In Rajabhrasta Yoga given by BV Raman, Conjunction of the Lords of Vyayapada(A12) and Lagnapada(AL) is required. Since the lord for both AL and UL are common in your case, will you qualify for this yoga?I tend to take the implicit meaning of the yoga in above cases. This intutively feels right in case of conjunction but is this approach correct when aspect between the common entities is wanted(like aspect of 5L on 2L)?Please clarify.Regards,Saraswathy.P.S. Sorry, I didn't consider the retrograde motion of the nodes while distingushing between Kala Sarpa/Amrita yogas and hence wrongly interpected your having the Kala Sarpa.vedic astrology, "in_joy_i_scream" <in_joy_i_scream> wrote:> Vyam Vysadevaya Namah> --------------------> Dear Aravinda & Saraswathy,> I thought i had answered this thread, but i guess not.> > The reason is due to the Kala Amrita Yoga.> Hence all raja Yogas will only function within the Domain of Ketu, > until age of Ketu's Maturity(45).> > Sun doesn't break the kala amrita yoga, it just makes sure i do > dharma in the realm of spirituality.. This is to avoid me > associating with such mystics that do evil deeds like sacrificing > living beings, or other adharma.> > Sun would however break a Kala Sarpa Yoga.> Benefics breaking a Kala Sarpa/Amrita Yoga, do infact break the > Yoga, as they give fruits and blessings.> > > I don't entirely understand the Rajabhrasta Yoga given by BV Raman, > besides it reads; Lords of Vyayapada(A12) and Lagnapada(AL), > joined.. This doesn't sound right to me. Its true that the joining > of Lagnapada and Upapada(A12) does make one spend so much time with > the wife that some activities may suffer from it. But....> > Answer to Aravindas private mail:> Arudha Padas in the 12th from another Pada, get ignorred by the > respective Pada.> > Example: Upapada in 12th from Lagnapada, makes one ignore ones > spouse. Such people take marriage for granted, and are chauvanistic > towards the opposite sex.> > Best wishes, Visti.> > > vedic astrology, "aru_dulla" <aru_dulla> wrote:> > Dear Saraswathy...........................................I think > > visti has kaala amritha yoga not ksy. This would make him highly > > spiritual. The KAY is broken by sun tosome extent. I don't rhink > > presence of KAY/KSY nullifies raja yogas in a chart provided they > are > > strong and present in other divisional charts as well. I am > waiting > > for what visti has to say about this.> > > > regards> > Aru> > > > > > vedic astrology, "vs_saras" <vs_saras@h...> wrote:> > > Dear Visti,> > > > > > Om Sai Ram.> > > > > > The first thing I noticed in your chart was the presence of Kala > > > Sarpa yoga which is said> > > to nullify other yogas. But in your case since Lagna is between > > Rahu > > > and Ketu, its evil gets > > > almost nuetralized. Also, according to BV Raman, KSY makes one > > > industrious, hardworking and > > > aware of one's own capability and raises the native to top > > positions > > > provided Raja yogas are > > > present which is true in your case.> > > > > > I think the point which you are referring to is the presence of > > > Rajabrashta yoga because > > > of AL and UL being conjunct. I read it in "Three hunded > important > > > combinations" by > > > B.V.Raman. It can hinder/nuetralize the effects of Rajayoga. Am > I > > > correct? Do you know > > > the logic behind this?> > > > > > Your chart is interesting because your Lg, GL and HL all fall in > > the > > > 1H. So, any planet> > > having an association with the 1H becomes a Mahayogada.> > > Your mahayogadas are: Rahu, Ketu, Mars,Sat and Sun. > > > Does the Mahayogada status of Rahu and Ketu lessen the bad > effects > > of > > > Kala Sarpa?> > > > > > You have several strong rajayogas:> > > (1)Parivartana between Jup(5L) and Ven(7L)> > > (2)Parivartana between Sun(10L) and Mars(1L)> > > (3)Moon(9L) conjunct with Sat(4L)> > > (4) Rah(4L) in 9H> > > (5)Sun(10L) in 1H> > > > > > RY by graha Drishti:> > > (1)Rahu(4L) gives 2nd aspect to Mars(1L)> > > (2)Mars(1L) gives 4th aspect to Sun(10L), its dispositor> > > > > > RY by rasi Drishti:> > > (1)Mars(1L) & Jup(5L)> > > (2)Mars & Ketu(1L)> > > (3)Moon(9L) & Ven(7L)> > > (4)Ketu(1L) & Sun(10L)> > > > > > Your mahayogadas and their effects: > > > (1) Sun -- You were born in Sun-Sat. The Sun Mahadasa would have > > > provided you with a > > > healthy constitution as a baby.> > > > > > (2)Moon-Since its conjunct with Sat, a mahayogada, this dasa > would > > > also have given > > > some rajayoga effects of Sat like longevity !?! What else?> > > > > > (3)Mars -- Mars dasa comprised your student life. During this > > period > > > you might have > > > come up as a hardworking student. Since its 1L, it would have > > > provided you with > > > a sound body and mind. You may have also assumed leadership > roles.> > > > > > (4)Rahu -- Presently you are running Ra-Ra in Vim.> > > Rah mahadasa would indicate profit through foriegn travel, > wealth > > > accumulation.> > > > > > Please correct my poor interpretation of the effects of > > mahayogadas. > > > > > > Will yogadas always give good effects?> > > > > > What did you mean by this statement?> > > -----> > > So if a graha just has an association with HL only, it will not > > > qualify to be a > > > yogada, am I right? Instead what will this scenario signify?> > > > > > Visti: That the Yoga is given to someone else.> > > -----> > > > > > You said:> > > ----> > > in a way the Raja Yogas have come to pass, how?> > > -----> > > Well, I don't know the actual answer to this but since RY are > > present > > > they will > > > fructify to some extent even though other factors may obstruct > or > > > take away the > > > effects of the RY. Am I right?> > > > > > Regards,> > > Saraswathy> > > > > > > > > --- In vedic astrology, "Visti Larsen" > <in_joy_i_scream> > > > wrote:> > > > Vyam Vysadevaya Namah> > > > ---------------> > > > Dear Saraswathy,> > > > > > > > (1)What areas or significations does yogada and Rajayoga > > influence?> > > > In my case, Jup®(5L) mutually aspects(7/7)the Sun(10L)giving > a > > > > Rajayoga. > > > > > > > > Visti: Yoga-Da; Giver of Yoga. These are used to time when > > > certain Yogas come to pass. i.e. if you have some Raja Yogas, > then > > > they will come to pass in the Dasa of the Yogada.> > > > > > > > > > > > (2)Does yogada need to be associated with the Rajayoga giving > > > planets > > > > and in what way?> > > > > > > > Visti: Not that i know off.> > > > > > > > (3)Does lordship,placement,nature(benefic/malefic) affect the > > power > > > > of yogada? > > > > > > > > Visti: The Yogada itself will determine how the Yoga comes; > > > Mars=fights/wars, Ketu=Revolutions/big change, > Saturn=dethrowning > > of > > > another, etc.> > > > > > > > (4) For a graha to be yogada, it has to have association with > > Lagna > > > > and any one or both of HL and GL, isn't it? So if a graha just > > has > > > an > > > > association with HL only, it will not qualify to be a yogada, > am > > I > > > > right? Instead what will this scenario signify?> > > > > > > > Visti: That the Yoga is given to someone else.> > > > > > > > (5)Grahas which are just yogadas are also good and in their > dasa > > > will > > > > show some effects, isn't it?> > > > > > > > Visti: Yes they will.> > > > > > > > (6) Will the yogada effects reflect in the subdasas of the > yogada > > > graha?> > > > > > > > Visti: Only if the Maha Dasa Graha supports it.. You need > to > > > learn more about Vimshottari to understand this.> > > > > > > > (7)yogadas will give effects depending on the number and > strength > > > of Rajayogas found, isn't it?> > > > > > > > Visti: 1 Raja Yoga is enough. But no Raja Yogas will come > to > > > pass, unless there also are Yogadas.> > > > > > > > (8) Rajayogas are with respect to graha drishti only, isn't > it? > > or > > > can rasi aspect be also considered?> > > > > > > > Visti: Both. Raja Yogas formed by Graha Dristi indicate the > > > desire to attain Raja Yoga, whilst the Rasi Dristi shows Raja > Yoga > > > through circumstances, hence could be unexpected, or wasn't the > > goal > > > of ones activities.> > > > > > > > There are however some dominating factors that may inhibit > these > > > yogas from coming to pass. I have attached my chart, please list > > the > > > yogadas and their effect.. what should have come to pass and why > > > haven't they yet?.. There is only 1 major reason, point it out.. > in > > a > > > way the Raja Yogas have come to pass, how?> > > > > > > > Hope this answers your questions, am eager to hear your reply.> > > > Best wishes, Visti.Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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