Secrets of Reincarnation and Free will ?

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Dear Gurus and list members,

 

The late B.V. Raman expressed that 'free will always be a part of ones karma' -

i.e. the "portion" or size of the free will depend on what ones karma will

allow.

 

There are three issues here:

 

1. We know that the 1st house is our current incarnation, the 9th is our

previous one and the 5th house will reveal our next. In this context I will be

very grateful if any of the knowledgeable gurus will care to explain HOW to use

these houses (should they be treated as lagna for this particular issues ?

occupying planets, aspects etc).

 

2. Furthermore, in some unpublished material I found a statement that indicates

the DWADASAMSA to be another vital key for studying (re)incarnation from. The

writer does not mention HOW to do that.

Anyone of the gurus care to provide some explanation ?

 

3. I feel that the above could also explain why a particular child (soul) is

choosing a particular parent (family / nation / country) to be born into as

well as many other details regarding our parents. I am not sure how and need to

be enlightened from the more knowledgeable.

 

I feel that many people in the west do not "buy" the concept of karma and reject

any attempt for further explanation. This inspite of the fact that their own

reality proves otherwise.

Therefore it is important to extend the knowledge of "karma and free will" in

chart interpretation. Both for experimenting the theory and for being able to

provide better explanation to those who seek answers.

Without the knowledge we get no where ...

 

Kind regards

 

Jay Weiss

[Guest guest]

Vyam Vysadevaya Namah

------------------------

Dear Jay,

Parasara and Varahamihira have given some clues to seeing the

next birth. The most important point is that rebirth is due to

desire, and if there is desire one cannot escape the cycle of

rebirth.

 

Hence we must reckon the 7th house to see whether this can be.

Parasara actually adds; 12th, 7th, 6th and 8th in that order.

i.e. if 12th is stronger then there will be moksha.. this should

be 12th from Karakamsa. 7th from Lagna shows desires. 6th shows

punishment and 8th shows debt.

 

Hence all these houses should first be taken into consideration,

to see whether there will be rebirth or not.

 

The temporary abode after death will be seen from the grahas in

the various houses. After this there is rebirth again. Parasara

and Varahimihira have described the abodes connected with the

grahas in these houses.

 

The Mrityu Kundali, or the time when the body dies, is supposed

to show some more details as well.

 

But without a thorough understanding of Reincarnation we cannot

dwelve into this area.

 

I recommend studying the past birth. Theres some work to be done

using Adhana(Conception) charts, to see the entry of the soul

into this birth, which is actually when the sperm leaves the

penis, and not the actual impregnation itself.

 

Jaimini gives extensive information about this concept.

Best wishes, Visti.

 

> Dear Gurus and list members,

>

> The late B.V. Raman expressed that 'free will always be a part

of ones karma' - i.e. the "portion" or size of the free will

depend on what ones karma will allow.

>

> There are three issues here:

>

> 1. We know that the 1st house is our current incarnation, the

9th is our previous one and the 5th house will reveal our next.

In this context I will be very grateful if any of the

knowledgeable gurus will care to explain HOW to use these houses

(should they be treated as lagna for this particular issues ?

occupying planets, aspects etc).

>

> 2. Furthermore, in some unpublished material I found a

statement that indicates the DWADASAMSA to be another vital key

for studying (re)incarnation from. The writer does not mention

HOW to do that.

> Anyone of the gurus care to provide some explanation ?

>

> 3. I feel that the above could also explain why a particular

child (soul) is choosing a particular parent (family / nation /

country) to be born into as well as many other details regarding

our parents. I am not sure how and need to be enlightened from

the more knowledgeable.

>

> I feel that many people in the west do not "buy" the concept

of karma and reject any attempt for further explanation. This

inspite of the fact that their own reality proves otherwise.

> Therefore it is important to extend the knowledge of "karma

and free will" in chart interpretation. Both for experimenting

the theory and for being able to provide better explanation to

those who seek answers.

> Without the knowledge we get no where ...

>

> Kind regards

>

> Jay Weiss

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Jay and Visti,

Sometime in January/Feruary, a list member did a Kalachakra chart for

me. He said that it starts of with the moment of death in the immediate

past life, and is able to map you past, present and future incarnations,

pinpointing the phase in which the soul is journeying at present. He said

this chart was the sum total of incarnations. He gave me the date, place

and time of death in my previous life and described the carry over debts

from the past life onto this life. A lot of it tallied with the Shiva Agasthiyar

Naadi Reading I did in Ahmedabad, a few months ago, on my past life.

I discontinued with the exercise after a while for reasons of mine own.

I don't know whether all this has any relevance.

Visti Larsen wrote:

Vyam Vysadevaya Namah

------------------------

Dear Jay,

Parasara and Varahamihira have given some clues to seeing the

next birth. The most important point is that rebirth is due to

desire, and if there is desire one cannot escape the cycle of

rebirth.

Hence we must reckon the 7th house to see whether this can be.

Parasara actually adds; 12th, 7th, 6th and 8th in that order.

i.e. if 12th is stronger then there will be moksha.. this should

be 12th from Karakamsa. 7th from Lagna shows desires. 6th shows

punishment and 8th shows debt.

Hence all these houses should first be taken into consideration,

to see whether there will be rebirth or not.

The temporary abode after death will be seen from the grahas in

the various houses. After this there is rebirth again. Parasara

and Varahimihira have described the abodes connected with the

grahas in these houses.

The Mrityu Kundali, or the time when the body dies, is supposed

to show some more details as well.

But without a thorough understanding of Reincarnation we cannot

dwelve into this area.

I recommend studying the past birth. Theres some work to be done

using Adhana(Conception) charts, to see the entry of the soul

into this birth, which is actually when the sperm leaves the

penis, and not the actual impregnation itself.

Jaimini gives extensive information about this concept.

Best wishes, Visti.

> Dear Gurus and list members,

>

> The late B.V. Raman expressed that 'free will always be a part

of ones karma' - i.e. the "portion" or size of the free will

depend on what ones karma will allow.

>

> There are three issues here:

>

> 1. We know that the 1st house is our current incarnation, the

9th is our previous one and the 5th house will reveal our next.

In this context I will be very grateful if any of the

knowledgeable gurus will care to explain HOW to use these houses

(should they be treated as lagna for this particular issues ?

occupying planets, aspects etc).

>

> 2. Furthermore, in some unpublished material I found a

statement that indicates the DWADASAMSA to be another vital key

for studying (re)incarnation from. The writer does not mention

HOW to do that.

> Anyone of the gurus care to provide some explanation ?

>

> 3. I feel that the above could also explain why a particular

child (soul) is choosing a particular parent (family / nation /

country) to be born into as well as many other details regarding

our parents. I am not sure how and need to be enlightened from

the more knowledgeable.

>

> I feel that many people in the west do not "buy" the concept

of karma and reject any attempt for further explanation. This

inspite of the fact that their own reality proves otherwise.

> Therefore it is important to extend the knowledge of "karma

and free will" in chart interpretation. Both for experimenting

the theory and for being able to provide better explanation to

those who seek answers.

> Without the knowledge we get no where ...

>

> Kind regards

>

> Jay Weiss

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

|| Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri

Krishnaarpanamastu ||

 

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Dear Jay and Visti,

Sometime in January/Feruary, a list member did a Kalachakra chart for

me. He said that it starts of with the moment of death in the immediate

past life, and is able to map you past, present and future incarnations,

pinpointing the phase in which the soul is journeying at present. He said

this chart was the sum total of incarnations. He gave me the date, place

and time of death in my previous life and described the carry over debts

from the past life onto this life. A lot of it tallied with the Shiva Agasthiyar

Naadi Reading I did in Ahmedabad, a few months ago, on my past life.

I discontinued with the exercise after a while for reasons of mine own.

I don't know whether all this has any relevance.

Visti Larsen wrote:

Vyam Vysadevaya Namah

------------------------

Dear Jay,

Parasara and Varahamihira have given some clues to seeing the

next birth. The most important point is that rebirth is due to

desire, and if there is desire one cannot escape the cycle of

rebirth.

Hence we must reckon the 7th house to see whether this can be.

Parasara actually adds; 12th, 7th, 6th and 8th in that order.

i.e. if 12th is stronger then there will be moksha.. this should

be 12th from Karakamsa. 7th from Lagna shows desires. 6th shows

punishment and 8th shows debt.

Hence all these houses should first be taken into consideration,

to see whether there will be rebirth or not.

The temporary abode after death will be seen from the grahas in

the various houses. After this there is rebirth again. Parasara

and Varahimihira have described the abodes connected with the

grahas in these houses.

The Mrityu Kundali, or the time when the body dies, is supposed

to show some more details as well.

But without a thorough understanding of Reincarnation we cannot

dwelve into this area.

I recommend studying the past birth. Theres some work to be done

using Adhana(Conception) charts, to see the entry of the soul

into this birth, which is actually when the sperm leaves the

penis, and not the actual impregnation itself.

Jaimini gives extensive information about this concept.

Best wishes, Visti.

> Dear Gurus and list members,

>

> The late B.V. Raman expressed that 'free will always be a part

of ones karma' - i.e. the "portion" or size of the free will

depend on what ones karma will allow.

>

> There are three issues here:

>

> 1. We know that the 1st house is our current incarnation, the

9th is our previous one and the 5th house will reveal our next.

In this context I will be very grateful if any of the

knowledgeable gurus will care to explain HOW to use these houses

(should they be treated as lagna for this particular issues ?

occupying planets, aspects etc).

>

> 2. Furthermore, in some unpublished material I found a

statement that indicates the DWADASAMSA to be another vital key

for studying (re)incarnation from. The writer does not mention

HOW to do that.

> Anyone of the gurus care to provide some explanation ?

>

> 3. I feel that the above could also explain why a particular

child (soul) is choosing a particular parent (family / nation /

country) to be born into as well as many other details regarding

our parents. I am not sure how and need to be enlightened from

the more knowledgeable.

>

> I feel that many people in the west do not "buy" the concept

of karma and reject any attempt for further explanation. This

inspite of the fact that their own reality proves otherwise.

> Therefore it is important to extend the knowledge of "karma

and free will" in chart interpretation. Both for experimenting

the theory and for being able to provide better explanation to

those who seek answers.

> Without the knowledge we get no where ...

>

> Kind regards

>

> Jay Weiss

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

|| Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri

Krishnaarpanamastu ||

 

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Dear Jay,

 

Nice to see you on-list :-) .

 

Could you confirm that again? I thought the 5th was Past, and the 9th was

Future (viz. Fortune in this life).

 

I don't know the reasons for either scenario, so would be grateful if you could

elaborate on the 9th/5th situation.

 

Thanks - Sateesh.

 

========

 

- Jay Weiss

vedic astrology

Thursday, May 02, 2002 9:46 AM

[vedic astrology] Secrets of Reincarnation and Free will ?

 

1. We know that the 1st house is our current incarnation, the 9th is our

previous one and the 5th house will reveal our next.

 

 

 

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Vyam Vysadevaya Namah

-------------------

Dear Sarbani,

We must assume that whether it be death, conception or birth,

its no doubt a transition, and hence the begining of something

new. Hence charts can be drawn on the basis of this transition.

They all, may however not show the exact same indications due to

their view point, but the results of past karma should be the

same.

 

This fructification of past karma is analysed using the Kendradi

Dasa's, which Moola Dasa is a part of. Sanjay Rath has written

an article on the same in the past. It can be found at the sjvc-

site(www.sjvcusa.org).

 

Best wishes, Visti.

 

> Dear Jay and Visti,

>

> Sometime in January/Feruary, a list member did a Kalachakra

chart for

> me. He said that it starts of with the moment of death in the

immediate

> past life, and is able to map you past, present and future

incarnations,

> pinpointing the phase in which the soul is journeying at

present. He

> said this chart was the sum total of incarnations. He gave me

the date,

> place and time of death in my previous life and described the

carry over

> debts from the past life onto this life. A lot of it tallied

with the

> Shiva Agasthiyar Naadi Reading I did in Ahmedabad, a few

months ago, on

> my past life. I discontinued with the exercise after a while

for

> reasons of mine own. I don't know whether all this has any

relevance.

>

> Visti Larsen wrote:

>

> > Vyam Vysadevaya Namah

> > ------------------------

> > Dear Jay,

> > Parasara and Varahamihira have given some clues to seeing the

> > next birth. The most important point is that rebirth is due

to

> > desire, and if there is desire one cannot escape the cycle of

> > rebirth.

> >

> > Hence we must reckon the 7th house to see whether this can

be.

> > Parasara actually adds; 12th, 7th, 6th and 8th in that order.

> > i.e. if 12th is stronger then there will be moksha.. this

should

> > be 12th from Karakamsa. 7th from Lagna shows desires. 6th

shows

> > punishment and 8th shows debt.

> >

> > Hence all these houses should first be taken into

consideration,

> > to see whether there will be rebirth or not.

> >

> > The temporary abode after death will be seen from the grahas

in

> > the various houses. After this there is rebirth again.

Parasara

> > and Varahimihira have described the abodes connected with the

> > grahas in these houses.

> >

> > The Mrityu Kundali, or the time when the body dies, is

supposed

> > to show some more details as well.

> >

> > But without a thorough understanding of Reincarnation we

cannot

> > dwelve into this area.

> >

> > I recommend studying the past birth. Theres some work to be

done

> > using Adhana(Conception) charts, to see the entry of the soul

> > into this birth, which is actually when the sperm leaves the

> > penis, and not the actual impregnation itself.

> >

> > Jaimini gives extensive information about this concept.

> > Best wishes, Visti.

> >

> > > Dear Gurus and list members,

> > >

> > > The late B.V. Raman expressed that 'free will always be a

part

> > of ones karma' - i.e. the "portion" or size of the free will

> > depend on what ones karma will allow.

> > >

> > > There are three issues here:

> > >

> > > 1. We know that the 1st house is our current incarnation,

the

> > 9th is our previous one and the 5th house will reveal our

next.

> > In this context I will be very grateful if any of the

> > knowledgeable gurus will care to explain HOW to use these

houses

> > (should they be treated as lagna for this particular issues ?

> > occupying planets, aspects etc).

> > >

> > > 2. Furthermore, in some unpublished material I found a

> > statement that indicates the DWADASAMSA to be another vital

key

> > for studying (re)incarnation from. The writer does not

mention

> > HOW to do that.

> > > Anyone of the gurus care to provide some explanation ?

> > >

> > > 3. I feel that the above could also explain why a

particular

> > child (soul) is choosing a particular parent (family /

nation /

> > country) to be born into as well as many other details

regarding

> > our parents. I am not sure how and need to be enlightened

from

> > the more knowledgeable.

> > >

> > > I feel that many people in the west do not "buy" the

concept

> > of karma and reject any attempt for further explanation. This

> > inspite of the fact that their own reality proves otherwise.

> > > Therefore it is important to extend the knowledge of "karma

> > and free will" in chart interpretation. Both for

experimenting

> > the theory and for being able to provide better explanation

to

> > those who seek answers.

> > > Without the knowledge we get no where ...

> > >

> > > Kind regards

> > >

> > > Jay Weiss

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Dear Sarbani,

 

This is a positive response indeed.

Maybe after reading this, the "invisible" member will come forward ?

 

Greetings

 

Jay

-

Sarbani Sarkar

vedic astrology

Thursday, May 02, 2002 12:44 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] Secrets of Reincarnation and Free will ?

Dear Jay and Visti, Sometime in January/Feruary, a list member did a Kalachakra

chart for me. He said that it starts of with the moment of death in the

immediate past life, and is able to map you past, present and future

incarnations, pinpointing the phase in which the soul is journeying at present.

He said this chart was the sum total of incarnations. He gave me the date, place

and time of death in my previous life and described the carry over debts from

the past life onto this life. A lot of it tallied with the Shiva Agasthiyar

Naadi Reading I did in Ahmedabad, a few months ago, on my past life. I

discontinued with the exercise after a while for reasons of mine own. I don't

know whether all this has any relevance. Visti Larsen wrote: Vyam Vysadevaya

Namah ------------------------ Dear Jay,

Parasara and Varahamihira have given some clues to seeing the next birth. The

most important point is that rebirth is due to desire, and if there is desire

one cannot escape the cycle of rebirth. Hence we must reckon the 7th house to

see whether this can be. Parasara actually adds; 12th, 7th, 6th and 8th in that

order. i.e. if 12th is stronger then there will be moksha.. this should be 12th

from Karakamsa. 7th from Lagna shows desires. 6th shows punishment and 8th

shows debt. Hence all these houses should first be taken into consideration, to

see whether there will be rebirth or not. The temporary abode after death will

be seen from the grahas in the various houses. After this there is rebirth

again. Parasara and Varahimihira have described the abodes connected with the

grahas in these houses. The Mrityu Kundali, or the time when the body dies, is

supposed to show some more details as well. But without a thorough

understanding of Reincarnation we cannot dwelve into this area. I recommend

studying the past birth. Theres some work to be done using Adhana(Conception)

charts, to see the entry of the soul into this birth, which is actually when

the sperm leaves the penis, and not the actual impregnation itself. Jaimini

gives extensive information about this concept. Best wishes, Visti. > Dear

Gurus and list members, > > The late B.V. Raman expressed that 'free will

always be a part of ones karma' - i.e. the "portion" or size of the free will

depend on what ones karma will allow. > > There are three issues here: > > 1.

We know that the 1st house is our current incarnation, the 9th is our previous

one and the 5th house will reveal our next. In this context I will be very

grateful if any of the knowledgeable gurus will care to explain HOW to use

these houses (should they be treated as lagna for this particular issues ?

occupying planets, aspects etc). > > 2. Furthermore, in some unpublished

material I found a statement that indicates the DWADASAMSA to be another vital

key for studying (re)incarnation from. The writer does not mention HOW to do

that. > Anyone of the gurus care to provide some explanation ? > > 3. I feel

that the above could also explain why a particular child (soul) is choosing a

particular parent (family / nation / country) to be born into as well as many

other details regarding our parents. I am not sure how and need to be

enlightened from the more knowledgeable. > > I feel that many people in the

west do not "buy" the concept of karma and reject any attempt for further

explanation. This inspite of the fact that their own reality proves otherwise.

> Therefore it is important to extend the knowledge of "karma and free will" in

chart interpretation. Both for experimenting the theory and for being able to

provide better explanation to those who seek answers. > Without the knowledge

we get no where ... > > Kind regards > > Jay Weiss > > > Archives:

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Thanks Visti. The articles page seems a treasure trove.

Sarbani

Visti Larsen wrote:

Vyam Vysadevaya Namah

-------------------

Dear Sarbani,

We must assume that whether it be death, conception or birth,

its no doubt a transition, and hence the begining of something

new. Hence charts can be drawn on the basis of this transition.

They all, may however not show the exact same indications due to

their view point, but the results of past karma should be the

same.

This fructification of past karma is analysed using the Kendradi

Dasa's, which Moola Dasa is a part of. Sanjay Rath has written

an article on the same in the past. It can be found at the sjvc-

site(www.sjvcusa.org).

Best wishes, Visti.

> Dear Jay and Visti,

>

> Sometime in January/Feruary, a list member did a Kalachakra

chart for

> me. He said that it starts of with the moment of death in the

immediate

> past life, and is able to map you past, present and future

incarnations,

> pinpointing the phase in which the soul is journeying at

present. He

> said this chart was the sum total of incarnations. He gave me

the date,

> place and time of death in my previous life and described the

carry over

> debts from the past life onto this life. A lot of it tallied

with the

> Shiva Agasthiyar Naadi Reading I did in Ahmedabad, a few

months ago, on

> my past life. I discontinued with the exercise after a

while

for

> reasons of mine own. I don't know whether all this has any

relevance.

>

> Visti Larsen wrote:

>

> > Vyam Vysadevaya Namah

> > ------------------------

> > Dear Jay,

> > Parasara and Varahamihira have given some clues to seeing the

> > next birth. The most important point is that rebirth is due

to

> > desire, and if there is desire one cannot escape the cycle

of

> > rebirth.

> >

> > Hence we must reckon the 7th house to see whether this can

be.

> > Parasara actually adds; 12th, 7th, 6th and 8th in that order.

> > i.e. if 12th is stronger then there will be moksha.. this

should

> > be 12th from Karakamsa. 7th from Lagna shows desires. 6th

shows

> > punishment and 8th shows debt.

> >

> > Hence all these houses should first be taken into

consideration,

> > to see whether there will be rebirth or not.

> >

> > The temporary abode after death will be seen from the grahas

in

> > the various houses. After this there is rebirth again.

Parasara

> > and Varahimihira have described the abodes connected with the

> > grahas in these houses.

> >

> > The Mrityu Kundali, or the time when the body dies, is

supposed

> > to show some more details as well.

> >

> > But without a thorough understanding of Reincarnation we

cannot

> > dwelve into this area.

> >

> > I recommend studying the past birth. Theres some work to be

done

> > using Adhana(Conception) charts, to see the entry of the soul

> > into this birth, which is actually when the sperm leaves the

> > penis, and not the actual impregnation itself.

> >

> > Jaimini gives extensive information about this concept.

> > Best wishes, Visti.

> >

> > > Dear Gurus and list members,

> > >

> > > The late B.V. Raman expressed that 'free will always be a

part

> > of ones karma' - i.e. the "portion" or size of the free will

> > depend on what ones karma will allow.

> > >

> > > There are three issues here:

> > >

> > > 1. We know that the 1st house is our current incarnation,

the

> > 9th is our previous one and the 5th house will reveal our

next.

> > In this context I will be very grateful if any of the

> > knowledgeable gurus will care to explain HOW to use these

houses

> > (should they be treated as lagna for this particular issues

?

> > occupying planets, aspects etc).

> > >

> > > 2. Furthermore, in some unpublished material I found a

> > statement that indicates the DWADASAMSA to be another vital

key

> > for studying (re)incarnation from. The writer does not

mention

> > HOW to do that.

> > > Anyone of the gurus care to provide some explanation ?

> > >

> > > 3. I feel that the above could also explain why a

particular

> > child (soul) is choosing a particular parent (family /

nation /

> > country) to be born into as well as many other details

regarding

> > our parents. I am not sure how and need to be enlightened

from

> > the more knowledgeable.

> > >

> > > I feel that many people in the west do not "buy" the

concept

> > of karma and reject any attempt for further explanation. This

> > inspite of the fact that their own reality proves otherwise.

> > > Therefore it is important to extend the knowledge of "karma

> > and free will" in chart interpretation. Both for

experimenting

> > the theory and for being able to provide better explanation

to

> > those who seek answers.

> > > Without the knowledge we get no where ...

> > >

> > > Kind regards

> > >

> > > Jay Weiss

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Dear jotish friends,

One question really puzzles me--if 12th house is for mokha and that

is the best thing that can happen to a human being then why it has

been called dusthan (bad house).

Chandan

 

vedic astrology, Visti Larsen <vishnu@l...> wrote:

> Vyam Vysadevaya Namah

> ------------------------

> Dear Jay,

> Parasara and Varahamihira have given some clues to seeing the

> next birth. The most important point is that rebirth is due to

> desire, and if there is desire one cannot escape the cycle of

> rebirth.

>

> Hence we must reckon the 7th house to see whether this can be.

> Parasara actually adds; 12th, 7th, 6th and 8th in that order.

> i.e. if 12th is stronger then there will be moksha.. this should

> be 12th from Karakamsa. 7th from Lagna shows desires. 6th shows

> punishment and 8th shows debt.

>

> Hence all these houses should first be taken into consideration,

> to see whether there will be rebirth or not.

>

> The temporary abode after death will be seen from the grahas in

> the various houses. After this there is rebirth again. Parasara

> and Varahimihira have described the abodes connected with the

> grahas in these houses.

>

> The Mrityu Kundali, or the time when the body dies, is supposed

> to show some more details as well.

>

> But without a thorough understanding of Reincarnation we cannot

> dwelve into this area.

>

> I recommend studying the past birth. Theres some work to be done

> using Adhana(Conception) charts, to see the entry of the soul

> into this birth, which is actually when the sperm leaves the

> penis, and not the actual impregnation itself.

>

> Jaimini gives extensive information about this concept.

> Best wishes, Visti.

>

> > Dear Gurus and list members,

> >

> > The late B.V. Raman expressed that 'free will always be a part

> of ones karma' - i.e. the "portion" or size of the free will

> depend on what ones karma will allow.

> >

> > There are three issues here:

> >

> > 1. We know that the 1st house is our current incarnation, the

> 9th is our previous one and the 5th house will reveal our next.

> In this context I will be very grateful if any of the

> knowledgeable gurus will care to explain HOW to use these houses

> (should they be treated as lagna for this particular issues ?

> occupying planets, aspects etc).

> >

> > 2. Furthermore, in some unpublished material I found a

> statement that indicates the DWADASAMSA to be another vital key

> for studying (re)incarnation from. The writer does not mention

> HOW to do that.

> > Anyone of the gurus care to provide some explanation ?

> >

> > 3. I feel that the above could also explain why a particular

> child (soul) is choosing a particular parent (family / nation /

> country) to be born into as well as many other details regarding

> our parents. I am not sure how and need to be enlightened from

> the more knowledgeable.

> >

> > I feel that many people in the west do not "buy" the concept

> of karma and reject any attempt for further explanation. This

> inspite of the fact that their own reality proves otherwise.

> > Therefore it is important to extend the knowledge of "karma

> and free will" in chart interpretation. Both for experimenting

> the theory and for being able to provide better explanation to

> those who seek answers.

> > Without the knowledge we get no where ...

> >

> > Kind regards

> >

> > Jay Weiss

> >

> >

> >

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Om Gurave Namah

 

Dear Visti,

 

How do you determine the strongest planet? Suppose you consider AK as

the strongest planet in the chart, then how do you consider a case

like mine, where Mars (AK) rules both 5th house (future birth) and

12th house (Moksha)? Both the houses are without planets, 5th is

aspected by Jupiter / Rahu while 12th (scorpio)is aspected by Mars,

its lord. Which one will you consider stronger?

 

Ofcourse 6th house hosts the AK and does show severe punishment. But

after punishment, quo wadis?

 

Regards,

Lakshmi

 

 

> vedic astrology, Visti Larsen <vishnu@l...> wrote:

> > Vyam Vysadevaya Namah

> > ------------------------

> > Dear Jay,

> > Parasara and Varahamihira have given some clues to seeing the

> > next birth. The most important point is that rebirth is due to

> > desire, and if there is desire one cannot escape the cycle of

> > rebirth.

> >

> > Hence we must reckon the 7th house to see whether this can be.

> > Parasara actually adds; 12th, 7th, 6th and 8th in that order.

> > i.e. if 12th is stronger then there will be moksha.. this should

> > be 12th from Karakamsa. 7th from Lagna shows desires. 6th shows

> > punishment and 8th shows debt.

> >

> > Hence all these houses should first be taken into consideration,

> > to see whether there will be rebirth or not.

> >

> > The temporary abode after death will be seen from the grahas in

> > the various houses. After this there is rebirth again. Parasara

> > and Varahimihira have described the abodes connected with the

> > grahas in these houses.

> >

> > The Mrityu Kundali, or the time when the body dies, is supposed

> > to show some more details as well.

> >

> > But without a thorough understanding of Reincarnation we cannot

> > dwelve into this area.

> >

> > I recommend studying the past birth. Theres some work to be done

> > using Adhana(Conception) charts, to see the entry of the soul

> > into this birth, which is actually when the sperm leaves the

> > penis, and not the actual impregnation itself.

> >

> > Jaimini gives extensive information about this concept.

> > Best wishes, Visti.

> >

> > > Dear Gurus and list members,

> > >

> > > The late B.V. Raman expressed that 'free will always be a part

> > of ones karma' - i.e. the "portion" or size of the free will

> > depend on what ones karma will allow.

> > >

> > > There are three issues here:

> > >

> > > 1. We know that the 1st house is our current incarnation, the

> > 9th is our previous one and the 5th house will reveal our next.

> > In this context I will be very grateful if any of the

> > knowledgeable gurus will care to explain HOW to use these houses

> > (should they be treated as lagna for this particular issues ?

> > occupying planets, aspects etc).

> > >

> > > 2. Furthermore, in some unpublished material I found a

> > statement that indicates the DWADASAMSA to be another vital key

> > for studying (re)incarnation from. The writer does not mention

> > HOW to do that.

> > > Anyone of the gurus care to provide some explanation ?

> > >

> > > 3. I feel that the above could also explain why a particular

> > child (soul) is choosing a particular parent (family / nation /

> > country) to be born into as well as many other details regarding

> > our parents. I am not sure how and need to be enlightened from

> > the more knowledgeable.

> > >

> > > I feel that many people in the west do not "buy" the concept

> > of karma and reject any attempt for further explanation. This

> > inspite of the fact that their own reality proves otherwise.

> > > Therefore it is important to extend the knowledge of "karma

> > and free will" in chart interpretation. Both for experimenting

> > the theory and for being able to provide better explanation to

> > those who seek answers.

> > > Without the knowledge we get no where ...

> > >

> > > Kind regards

> > >

> > > Jay Weiss

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Dear Lakshmi,

You should be looking for the stronger house.

Where there are more grahas there is more activity. If there are many grahas

in/aspecting 12th from Karakamsa, then there will be alot of worship of Istha..

the more grahas doing so, the more activties will actually lead to the Istha,

and hence moksha.

 

But i'm not clear on all these factors, need to understand more about rebirth.

 

Best wishes, Visti.

 

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vedic astrology

Friday, May 03, 2002 2:31 PM

[vedic astrology] Re: Secrets of Reincarnation and Free will ?

Om Gurave NamahDear Visti,How do you determine the strongest planet? Suppose you

consider AK as the strongest planet in the chart, then how do you consider a

case like mine, where Mars (AK) rules both 5th house (future birth) and 12th

house (Moksha)? Both the houses are without planets, 5th is aspected by Jupiter

/ Rahu while 12th (scorpio)is aspected by Mars, its lord. Which one will you

consider stronger? Ofcourse 6th house hosts the AK and does show severe

punishment. But after punishment, quo wadis?Regards,Lakshmi> --- In

vedic astrology, Visti Larsen <vishnu@l...> wrote:> > Vyam Vysadevaya

Namah> > ------------------------> > Dear

Jay,> > Parasara and Varahamihira have given some clues to seeing the > > next

birth. The most important point is that rebirth is due to > > desire, and if

there is desire one cannot escape the cycle of > > rebirth.> > > > Hence we

must reckon the 7th house to see whether this can be.> > Parasara actually

adds; 12th, 7th, 6th and 8th in that order. > > i.e. if 12th is stronger then

there will be moksha.. this should > > be 12th from Karakamsa. 7th from Lagna

shows desires. 6th shows > > punishment and 8th shows debt.> > > > Hence all

these houses should first be taken into consideration, > > to see whether there

will be rebirth or not.> > > > The temporary abode after death will be seen from

the grahas in > > the various houses. After this there is rebirth again.

Parasara > > and Varahimihira have described the abodes connected with the > >

grahas in these houses.> > > > The Mrityu Kundali, or the time when the body

dies, is supposed > > to show some more details as well.> > > > But without a

thorough understanding of Reincarnation we cannot > > dwelve into this area.> >

> > I recommend studying the past birth. Theres some work to be done > > using

Adhana(Conception) charts, to see the entry of the soul > > into this birth,

which is actually when the sperm leaves the > > penis, and not the actual

impregnation itself.> > > > Jaimini gives extensive information about this

concept.> > Best wishes, Visti.> > > > > Dear Gurus and list members,> > > > >

> The late B.V. Raman expressed that 'free will always be a part > > of ones

karma' - i.e. the "portion" or size of the free will > > depend on what ones

karma will allow.> > > > > > There are three issues here:> > > > > > 1. We know

that the 1st house is our current incarnation, the > > 9th is our previous one

and the 5th house will reveal our next. > > In this context I will be very

grateful if any of the > > knowledgeable gurus will care to explain HOW to use

these houses > > (should they be treated as lagna for this particular issues ?

> > occupying planets, aspects etc). > > > > > > 2. Furthermore, in some

unpublished material I found a > > statement that indicates the DWADASAMSA to

be another vital key > > for studying (re)incarnation from. The writer does not

mention > > HOW to do that. > > > Anyone of the gurus care to provide some

explanation ?> > > > > > 3. I feel that the above could also explain why a

particular > > child (soul) is choosing a particular parent (family / nation /

> > country) to be born into as well as many other details regarding > > our

parents. I am not sure how and need to be enlightened from > > the more

knowledgeable.> > > > > > I feel that many people in the west do not "buy" the

concept > > of karma and reject any attempt for further explanation. This > >

inspite of the fact that their own reality proves otherwise. > > > Therefore it

is important to extend the knowledge of "karma > > and free will" in chart

interpretation. Both for experimenting > > the theory and for being able to

provide better explanation to > > those who seek answers.> > > Without the

knowledge we get no where ...> > > > > > Kind regards> > > > > > Jay Weiss> > >

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Dear Chandan and Friends,

 

As it is my first intervention let's present myself:

I am from Belgium and I practice jyotish for the last 16 years. I am quite

accustomed will Parashara & Jaimini 's knowledge.

I think the chart dwellls will all this relative world and from that perspective

the 12th is said "bad" because we have to lose things to "gain" enlightment.

Enlightment is not some thing that as to be created we have just to lose all

that which is not our true nature. From the relative or worldly point of view

this is not nor "positive" nor eventually pleasant thing. Those who are engaged

in a spiritual way know what I am talking about )

Now, fews years ago I had to analyse a chart specifically according to the view

of reincarnation. Not having a lot of information about it I tried to reflect

about this subject. Here are the results of my cogitation:

-Ketu is linked with the past. That which as been enough experimented need nor

more to be. That's why it is the graha of indrances. Nature do not tolerate to

go backward.

-12th is linked with the past. It's the moment before our birth to which extend I don't know.

-4th is linked with the past. If is true that the 9th is linked with the past

(the father) why not the mother ? In fact I observed that the people who are

strongly influenced by the moon (and/or the 4th) live often in the past (by

opposition to aquarius)

-Dwadashamsa indeed which is linked with our parents.

Take the lords of those houses and analysed from that point. This knowledge is

probably not complete but I got some valid information using this.

 

regards,

 

Claudio

-

chandan_astro

vedic astrology

Thursday, May 02, 2002 9:38 PM

[vedic astrology] Re: Secrets of Reincarnation and Free will ?

Dear jotish friends,One question really puzzles me--if 12th house is for mokha

and that is the best thing that can happen to a human being then why it has

been called dusthan (bad house). Chandanvedic astrology, Visti

Larsen <vishnu@l...> wrote:> Vyam Vysadevaya Namah>

------------------------> Dear Jay,> Parasara

and Varahamihira have given some clues to seeing the > next birth. The most

important point is that rebirth is due to > desire, and if there is desire one

cannot escape the cycle of > rebirth.> > Hence we must reckon the 7th house to

see whether this can be.> Parasara actually adds; 12th, 7th, 6th and 8th in

that order. > i.e. if 12th is stronger then there will be moksha.. this should

> be 12th from Karakamsa. 7th from Lagna shows desires. 6th shows > punishment

and 8th shows debt.> > Hence all these houses should first be taken into

consideration, > to see whether there will be rebirth or not.> > The temporary

abode after death will be seen from the grahas in > the various houses. After

this there is rebirth again. Parasara > and Varahimihira have described the

abodes connected with the > grahas in these houses.> > The Mrityu Kundali, or

the time when the body dies, is supposed > to show some more details as well.>

> But without a thorough understanding of Reincarnation we cannot > dwelve into

this area.> > I recommend studying the past birth. Theres some work to be done >

using Adhana(Conception) charts, to see the entry of the soul > into this birth,

which is actually when the sperm leaves the > penis, and not the actual

impregnation itself.> > Jaimini gives extensive information about this

concept.> Best wishes, Visti.> > > Dear Gurus and list members,> > > > The late

B.V. Raman expressed that 'free will always be a part > of ones karma' - i.e.

the "portion" or size of the free will > depend on what ones karma will allow.>

> > > There are three issues here:> > > > 1. We know that the 1st house is our

current incarnation, the > 9th is our previous one and the 5th house will

reveal our next. > In this context I will be very grateful if any of the >

knowledgeable gurus will care to explain HOW to use these houses > (should they

be treated as lagna for this particular issues ? > occupying planets, aspects

etc). > > > > 2. Furthermore, in some unpublished material I found a >

statement that indicates the DWADASAMSA to be another vital key > for studying

(re)incarnation from. The writer does not mention > HOW to do that. > > Anyone

of the gurus care to provide some explanation ?> > > > 3. I feel that the above

could also explain why a particular > child (soul) is choosing a particular

parent (family / nation / > country) to be born into as well as many other

details regarding > our parents. I am not sure how and need to be enlightened

from > the more knowledgeable.> > > > I feel that many people in the west do

not "buy" the concept > of karma and reject any attempt for further

explanation. This > inspite of the fact that their own reality proves

otherwise. > > Therefore it is important to extend the knowledge of "karma >

and free will" in chart interpretation. Both for experimenting > the theory and

for being able to provide better explanation to > those who seek answers.> >

Without the knowledge we get no where ...> > > > Kind regards> > > > Jay Weiss>

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Dear Claudio,

 

I am just a student, but would like to add two comments. Sanjay Rath

says in VRIA that according to Parasara, D60 or Shastiamsa is crucial

for understanding past life, making D60 the most important divisional

chart along with rashi and navamsha. Secondly, list members may correct

me, but my impression is that Rahu is to do with past karma, while Ketu

gives us moksha from it.

 

Sarbani

 

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Hi Visti

What is Karakamsa, how does one decide in a chart

which planet it is, I know AL,UP, ascendant etc.

Please clarify

Best Regards

M

--- Visti Larsen <vishnu wrote:

> Vyam Vysadevaya Namah

> ----------------

> Dear Lakshmi,

> You should be looking for the stronger house.

> Where there are more grahas there is more activity.

> If there are many grahas in/aspecting 12th from

> Karakamsa, then there will be alot of worship of

> Istha.. the more grahas doing so, the more activties

> will actually lead to the Istha, and hence moksha.

>

> But i'm not clear on all these factors, need to

> understand more about rebirth.

>

> Best wishes, Visti.

>

> -

> b_lakshmi_ramesh

> vedic astrology

> Friday, May 03, 2002 2:31 PM

> [vedic astrology] Re: Secrets of

> Reincarnation and Free will ?

>

>

> Om Gurave Namah

>

> Dear Visti,

>

> How do you determine the strongest planet? Suppose

> you consider AK as

> the strongest planet in the chart, then how do you

> consider a case

> like mine, where Mars (AK) rules both 5th house

> (future birth) and

> 12th house (Moksha)? Both the houses are without

> planets, 5th is

> aspected by Jupiter / Rahu while 12th (scorpio)is

> aspected by Mars,

> its lord. Which one will you consider stronger?

>

> Ofcourse 6th house hosts the AK and does show

> severe punishment. But

> after punishment, quo wadis?

>

> Regards,

> Lakshmi

>

>

> > vedic astrology, Visti Larsen

> <vishnu@l...> wrote:

> > > Vyam Vysadevaya Namah

> > >

>

------------------------

> > > Dear Jay,

> > > Parasara and Varahamihira have given some

> clues to seeing the

> > > next birth. The most important point is that

> rebirth is due to

> > > desire, and if there is desire one cannot

> escape the cycle of

> > > rebirth.

> > >

> > > Hence we must reckon the 7th house to see

> whether this can be.

> > > Parasara actually adds; 12th, 7th, 6th and 8th

> in that order.

> > > i.e. if 12th is stronger then there will be

> moksha.. this should

> > > be 12th from Karakamsa. 7th from Lagna shows

> desires. 6th shows

> > > punishment and 8th shows debt.

> > >

> > > Hence all these houses should first be taken

> into consideration,

> > > to see whether there will be rebirth or not.

> > >

> > > The temporary abode after death will be seen

> from the grahas in

> > > the various houses. After this there is

> rebirth again. Parasara

> > > and Varahimihira have described the abodes

> connected with the

> > > grahas in these houses.

> > >

> > > The Mrityu Kundali, or the time when the body

> dies, is supposed

> > > to show some more details as well.

> > >

> > > But without a thorough understanding of

> Reincarnation we cannot

> > > dwelve into this area.

> > >

> > > I recommend studying the past birth. Theres

> some work to be done

> > > using Adhana(Conception) charts, to see the

> entry of the soul

> > > into this birth, which is actually when the

> sperm leaves the

> > > penis, and not the actual impregnation itself.

> > >

> > > Jaimini gives extensive information about this

> concept.

> > > Best wishes, Visti.

> > >

> > > > Dear Gurus and list members,

> > > >

> > > > The late B.V. Raman expressed that 'free

> will always be a part

> > > of ones karma' - i.e. the "portion" or size of

> the free will

> > > depend on what ones karma will allow.

> > > >

> > > > There are three issues here:

> > > >

> > > > 1. We know that the 1st house is our current

> incarnation, the

> > > 9th is our previous one and the 5th house will

> reveal our next.

> > > In this context I will be very grateful if any

> of the

> > > knowledgeable gurus will care to explain HOW

> to use these houses

> > > (should they be treated as lagna for this

> particular issues ?

> > > occupying planets, aspects etc).

> > > >

> > > > 2. Furthermore, in some unpublished material

> I found a

> > > statement that indicates the DWADASAMSA to be

> another vital key

> > > for studying (re)incarnation from. The writer

> does not mention

> > > HOW to do that.

> > > > Anyone of the gurus care to provide some

> explanation ?

> > > >

> > > > 3. I feel that the above could also explain

> why a particular

> > > child (soul) is choosing a particular parent

> (family / nation /

> > > country) to be born into as well as many other

> details regarding

> > > our parents. I am not sure how and need to be

> enlightened from

> > > the more knowledgeable.

> > > >

> > > > I feel that many people in the west do not

> "buy" the concept

> > > of karma and reject any attempt for further

> explanation. This

> > > inspite of the fact that their own reality

> proves otherwise.

> > > > Therefore it is important to extend the

> knowledge of "karma

> > > and free will" in chart interpretation. Both

> for experimenting

> > > the theory and for being able to provide

> better explanation to

> > > those who seek answers.

> > > > Without the knowledge we get no where ...

> > > >

> > > > Kind regards

> > > >

> > > > Jay Weiss

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

>

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Dear Sarbani,

 

Sanjay is surely right as he quotes Parashara. This was just a personal view and

surely not a final word. I agree too about D60 but have no experience on it (

for this topic) . Now I am quite surprised about what is said about rahu. I

agree about the karmic role of the nodes but my question is: how can ketu

(moksha karaka), an indranced energy (at least for wordly affairs) signify the

future, where rahu is the opposite? To get enlightment, is despite the apparent

contradiction, a "desire". Till now I have observed in my life and in those

charts I have studied that whenever rahu is active it boosts life towards the

direction it signifies. And when ketu is active, just the opposite: indrances

towards what it signifies (for worldly affairs). There is a tie here indeed. I

think that the desire make us go forward (into the future) and that absence of

desire (ketu) is a state of realisation and/or contentment. Usually we are

contented when we have already got the desired object or when we don't need to

develop further a quality that is already mastered. And this, if my

comprehension of life is not to bad, comes often from past...

Exemple: you don't need any more to go to primary school because you have

mastered everything about elementary knowledge. There is a contented (or

realised) experience in this field. This according to my knowledge, can be

attributed to a ketu energy.

What think the others eminent jyotishi's of the list ?

 

claudio

-

Sarbani Sarkar

vedic astrology

Saturday, May 04, 2002 1:40 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Secrets of Reincarnation and Free will ?

Dear Claudio,I am just a student, but would like to add two comments. Sanjay

Rathsays in VRIA that according to Parasara, D60 or Shastiamsa is crucialfor

understanding past life, making D60 the most important divisionalchart along

with rashi and navamsha. Secondly, list members may correctme, but my

impression is that Rahu is to do with past karma, while Ketugives us moksha

from it.SarbaniClaudio Scubla wrote:> Part 1.1 Type: Plain Text

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-----------

Dear M,

The Navamsa containing the Chara Atmakaraka is called the Karakamsa.

 

Best wishes, Visti.

-

M T

vedic astrology

Saturday, May 04, 2002 2:47 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Secrets of Reincarnation and Free will ?

Hi VistiWhat is Karakamsa, how does one decide in a chartwhich planet it is, I

know AL,UP, ascendant etc.Please clarifyBest RegardsM--- Visti Larsen

<vishnu (AT) lbq (DOT) dk> wrote:> Vyam Vysadevaya Namah>

----------------> Dear Lakshmi,> You should be

looking for the stronger house.> Where there are more grahas there is more

activity.> If there are many grahas in/aspecting 12th from> Karakamsa, then

there will be alot of worship of> Istha.. the more grahas doing so, the more

activties> will actually lead to the Istha, and hence moksha.> > But i'm not

clear on all these factors, need to> understand more about rebirth.> > Best

wishes, Visti.> > - > b_lakshmi_ramesh >

vedic astrology > Friday, May 03, 2002 2:31 PM>

[vedic astrology] Re: Secrets of> Reincarnation and Free will ?> > >

Om Gurave Namah> > Dear Visti,> > How do you determine the strongest planet?

Suppose> you consider AK as > the strongest planet in the chart, then how do

you> consider a case > like mine, where Mars (AK) rules both 5th house>

(future birth) and > 12th house (Moksha)? Both the houses are without>

planets, 5th is > aspected by Jupiter / Rahu while 12th (scorpio)is> aspected

by Mars, > its lord. Which one will you consider stronger? > > Ofcourse 6th

house hosts the AK and does show> severe punishment. But > after punishment,

quo wadis?> > Regards,> Lakshmi> > > > vedic astrology, Visti

Larsen> <vishnu@l...> wrote:> > > Vyam Vysadevaya Namah> >

>>------------------------> > > Dear Jay,>

> > Parasara and Varahamihira have given some> clues to seeing the > > > next

birth. The most important point is that> rebirth is due to > > > desire, and

if there is desire one cannot> escape the cycle of > > > rebirth.> > > >

> > Hence we must reckon the 7th house to see> whether this can be.> > >

Parasara actually adds; 12th, 7th, 6th and 8th> in that order. > > > i.e. if

12th is stronger then there will be> moksha.. this should > > > be 12th from

Karakamsa. 7th from Lagna shows> desires. 6th shows > > > punishment and 8th

shows debt.> > > > > > Hence all these houses should first be taken> into

consideration, > > > to see whether there will be rebirth or not.> > > >

> > The temporary abode after death will be seen> from the grahas in > > >

the various houses. After this there is> rebirth again. Parasara > > > and

Varahimihira have described the abodes> connected with the > > > grahas in

these houses.> > > > > > The Mrityu Kundali, or the time when the body>

dies, is supposed > > > to show some more details as well.> > > > > > But

without a thorough understanding of> Reincarnation we cannot > > > dwelve into

this area.> > > > > > I recommend studying the past birth. Theres> some work

to be done > > > using Adhana(Conception) charts, to see the> entry of the

soul > > > into this birth, which is actually when the> sperm leaves the >

> > penis, and not the actual impregnation itself.> > > > > > Jaimini gives

extensive information about this> concept.> > > Best wishes, Visti.> > > >

> > > Dear Gurus and list members,> > > > > > > > The late B.V. Raman

expressed that 'free> will always be a part > > > of ones karma' - i.e. the

"portion" or size of> the free will > > > depend on what ones karma will

allow.> > > > > > > > There are three issues here:> > > > > > > > 1. We

know that the 1st house is our current> incarnation, the > > > 9th is our

previous one and the 5th house will> reveal our next. > > > In this context I

will be very grateful if any> of the > > > knowledgeable gurus will care to

explain HOW> to use these houses > > > (should they be treated as lagna for

this> particular issues ? > > > occupying planets, aspects etc). > > > >

> > > > 2. Furthermore, in some unpublished material> I found a > > >

statement that indicates the DWADASAMSA to be> another vital key > > > for

studying (re)incarnation from. The writer> does not mention > > > HOW to do

that. > > > > Anyone of the gurus care to provide some> explanation ?> > >

> > > > > 3. I feel that the above could also explain> why a particular > >

> child (soul) is choosing a particular parent> (family / nation / > > >

country) to be born into as well as many other> details regarding > > > our

parents. I am not sure how and need to be> enlightened from > > > the more

knowledgeable.> > > > > > > > I feel that many people in the west do not>

"buy" the concept > > > of karma and reject any attempt for further>

explanation. This > > > inspite of the fact that their own reality> proves

otherwise. > > > > Therefore it is important to extend the> knowledge of

"karma > > > and free will" in chart interpretation. Both> for experimenting

> > > the theory and for being able to provide> better explanation to > > >

those who seek answers.> > > > Without the knowledge we get no where ...> >

> > > > > > Kind regards> > > > > > > > Jay Weiss> > > > > > > > >

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Hi Visti

Thanks for a prompt reply.

To verify it I understand correctly, AK is atmakaraka,

and suppose it is rahu and in navamsa it falls in

Aquarius.

 

So is it the rashi Aquarius or saturn the owner of

Aquarius.

 

I am using the Jaganath Lite software and it indicates

all AL, AK, UL A2 to A11 etc and in tabulation it

shows the planet with AK.

 

Please clarify, appreciate your time

Best Regards

M

 

Please bare my ignorance chara atmakaraka and

atmakaraka

are same or different

--- Visti Larsen <vishnu wrote:

> Hare Rama Krishna

> -----------

> Dear M,

> The Navamsa containing the Chara Atmakaraka is

> called the Karakamsa.

>

> Best wishes, Visti.

> -

> M T

> vedic astrology

> Saturday, May 04, 2002 2:47 PM

> Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Secrets of

> Reincarnation and Free will ?

>

>

> Hi Visti

> What is Karakamsa, how does one decide in a chart

> which planet it is, I know AL,UP, ascendant etc.

> Please clarify

> Best Regards

> M

> --- Visti Larsen <vishnu wrote:

> > Vyam Vysadevaya Namah

> >

> ----------------

> > Dear Lakshmi,

> > You should be looking for the stronger house.

> > Where there are more grahas there is more

> activity.

> > If there are many grahas in/aspecting 12th from

> > Karakamsa, then there will be alot of worship of

> > Istha.. the more grahas doing so, the more

> activties

> > will actually lead to the Istha, and hence

> moksha.

> >

> > But i'm not clear on all these factors, need to

> > understand more about rebirth.

> >

> > Best wishes, Visti.

> >

> > -

> > b_lakshmi_ramesh

> > vedic astrology

> > Friday, May 03, 2002 2:31 PM

> > [vedic astrology] Re: Secrets of

> > Reincarnation and Free will ?

> >

> >

> > Om Gurave Namah

> >

> > Dear Visti,

> >

> > How do you determine the strongest planet?

> Suppose

> > you consider AK as

> > the strongest planet in the chart, then how do

> you

> > consider a case

> > like mine, where Mars (AK) rules both 5th

> house

> > (future birth) and

> > 12th house (Moksha)? Both the houses are

> without

> > planets, 5th is

> > aspected by Jupiter / Rahu while 12th

> (scorpio)is

> > aspected by Mars,

> > its lord. Which one will you consider

> stronger?

> >

> > Ofcourse 6th house hosts the AK and does show

> > severe punishment. But

> > after punishment, quo wadis?

> >

> > Regards,

> > Lakshmi

> >

> >

> > > vedic astrology, Visti Larsen

> > <vishnu@l...> wrote:

> > > > Vyam Vysadevaya Namah

> > > >

> >

>

>

------------------------

> > > > Dear Jay,

> > > > Parasara and Varahamihira have given some

> > clues to seeing the

> > > > next birth. The most important point is

> that

> > rebirth is due to

> > > > desire, and if there is desire one cannot

> > escape the cycle of

> > > > rebirth.

> > > >

> > > > Hence we must reckon the 7th house to see

> > whether this can be.

> > > > Parasara actually adds; 12th, 7th, 6th and

> 8th

> > in that order.

> > > > i.e. if 12th is stronger then there will

> be

> > moksha.. this should

> > > > be 12th from Karakamsa. 7th from Lagna

> shows

> > desires. 6th shows

> > > > punishment and 8th shows debt.

> > > >

> > > > Hence all these houses should first be

> taken

> > into consideration,

> > > > to see whether there will be rebirth or

> not.

> > > >

> > > > The temporary abode after death will be

> seen

> > from the grahas in

> > > > the various houses. After this there is

> > rebirth again. Parasara

> > > > and Varahimihira have described the abodes

> > connected with the

> > > > grahas in these houses.

> > > >

> > > > The Mrityu Kundali, or the time when the

> body

> > dies, is supposed

> > > > to show some more details as well.

> > > >

> > > > But without a thorough understanding of

> > Reincarnation we cannot

> > > > dwelve into this area.

> > > >

> > > > I recommend studying the past birth.

> Theres

> > some work to be done

> > > > using Adhana(Conception) charts, to see

> the

> > entry of the soul

> > > > into this birth, which is actually when

> the

> > sperm leaves the

> > > > penis, and not the actual impregnation

> itself.

> > > >

> > > > Jaimini gives extensive information about

> this

> > concept.

> > > > Best wishes, Visti.

> > > >

> > > > > Dear Gurus and list members,

> > > > >

> > > > > The late B.V. Raman expressed that 'free

> > will always be a part

> > > > of ones karma' - i.e. the "portion" or

> size of

> > the free will

> > > > depend on what ones karma will allow.

> > > > >

> > > > > There are three issues here:

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. We know that the 1st house is our

> current

> > incarnation, the

> > > > 9th is our previous one and the 5th house

> will

> > reveal our next.

> > > > In this context I will be very grateful if

> any

> > of the

> > > > knowledgeable gurus will care to explain

> HOW

> > to use these houses

> > > > (should they be treated as lagna for this

> > particular issues ?

> > > > occupying planets, aspects etc).

> > > > >

> > > > > 2. Furthermore, in some unpublished

> material

> > I found a

> > > > statement that indicates the DWADASAMSA to

> be

> > another vital key

> > > > for studying (re)incarnation from. The

> writer

> > does not mention

> > > > HOW to do that.

> > > > > Anyone of the gurus care to provide some

> > explanation ?

> > > > >

> > > > > 3. I feel that the above could also

> explain

> > why a particular

> > > > child (soul) is choosing a particular

> parent

> > (family / nation /

> > > > country) to be born into as well as many

> other

> > details regarding

> > > > our parents. I am not sure how and need to

> be

>

=== message truncated ===

 

 

 

 

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Dear M,

There are 3 types of Karaka;

Naisargika, Chara and Sthira.

 

They represent Lord Narayanas 3 expansions of;

Vishnu, Brahma and Shiva.

And hence also their duties.

 

A thorough understanding of the Karakas will give one the ability to predict all events.

 

There are;

9 Naisargika Karakas, 8 Chara Karakas and 7 Sthira Karakas.

 

They also represent the

Dwiswabhava, Chara and Sthira Rasi's

respectively, and their functions.

 

The 12th from the Chara Atmakaraka will show the specific Karakas road towards

Vishnu(12th from Chara(Brahma) = Dwiswabhava(Vishnu))

 

And hence the 12th from any Chara Karaka in Navamsa will show the specific Karakas Istha Devata.

 

Theres much more to this, and its allready been dealt with, quite extensively in the archives.

 

Best wishes, Visti.

-

M T

vedic astrology

Sunday, May 05, 2002 12:06 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Secrets of Reincarnation and Free will ?

Hi VistiThanks for a prompt reply.To verify it I understand correctly, AK is

atmakaraka,and suppose it is rahu and in navamsa it falls inAquarius.So is it

the rashi Aquarius or saturn the owner ofAquarius.I am using the Jaganath Lite

software and it indicatesall AL, AK, UL A2 to A11 etc and in tabulation itshows

the planet with AK.Please clarify, appreciate your timeBest RegardsMPlease bare

my ignorance chara atmakaraka andatmakaraka are same or different--- Visti

Larsen <vishnu (AT) lbq (DOT) dk> wrote:> Hare Rama Krishna>

-----------> Dear M,> The Navamsa containing

the Chara Atmakaraka is> called the Karakamsa.> > Best wishes, Visti.> -----

Original Message ----- > M T > vedic astrology >

Saturday, May 04, 2002 2:47 PM> Re: [vedic astrology] Re:

Secrets of> Reincarnation and Free will ?> > > Hi Visti> What is Karakamsa,

how does one decide in a chart> which planet it is, I know AL,UP, ascendant

etc.> Please clarify> Best Regards> M> --- Visti Larsen <vishnu (AT) lbq (DOT) dk>

wrote:> > Vyam Vysadevaya Namah> >>

----------------> > Dear Lakshmi,> > You

should be looking for the stronger house.> > Where there are more grahas

there is more> activity.> > If there are many grahas in/aspecting 12th from>

> Karakamsa, then there will be alot of worship of> > Istha.. the more grahas

doing so, the more> activties> > will actually lead to the Istha, and hence>

moksha.> > > > But i'm not clear on all these factors, need to> >

understand more about rebirth.> > > > Best wishes, Visti.> > > >

- > > b_lakshmi_ramesh > > To:

vedic astrology > > Friday, May 03, 2002 2:31 PM> >

[vedic astrology] Re: Secrets of> > Reincarnation and Free will ?>

> > > > > Om Gurave Namah> > > > Dear Visti,> > > > How do

you determine the strongest planet?> Suppose> > you consider AK as > >

the strongest planet in the chart, then how do> you> > consider a case > >

like mine, where Mars (AK) rules both 5th> house> > (future birth) and > >

12th house (Moksha)? Both the houses are> without> > planets, 5th is > >

aspected by Jupiter / Rahu while 12th> (scorpio)is> > aspected by Mars, > >

its lord. Which one will you consider> stronger? > > > > Ofcourse 6th

house hosts the AK and does show> > severe punishment. But > > after

punishment, quo wadis?> > > > Regards,> > Lakshmi> > > > > >

> vedic astrology, Visti Larsen> > <vishnu@l...> wrote:> > >

> Vyam Vysadevaya Namah> > > >> >>

>------------------------> > > > Dear

Jay,> > > > Parasara and Varahamihira have given some> > clues to seeing

the > > > > next birth. The most important point is> that> > rebirth is

due to > > > > desire, and if there is desire one cannot> > escape the

cycle of > > > > rebirth.> > > > > > > > Hence we must reckon the

7th house to see> > whether this can be.> > > > Parasara actually adds;

12th, 7th, 6th and> 8th> > in that order. > > > > i.e. if 12th is

stronger then there will> be> > moksha.. this should > > > > be 12th from

Karakamsa. 7th from Lagna> shows> > desires. 6th shows > > > > punishment

and 8th shows debt.> > > > > > > > Hence all these houses should first

be> taken> > into consideration, > > > > to see whether there will be

rebirth or> not.> > > > > > > > The temporary abode after death will

be> seen> > from the grahas in > > > > the various houses. After this

there is> > rebirth again. Parasara > > > > and Varahimihira have

described the abodes> > connected with the > > > > grahas in these

houses.> > > > > > > > The Mrityu Kundali, or the time when the> body>

> dies, is supposed > > > > to show some more details as well.> > > > >

> > > But without a thorough understanding of> > Reincarnation we cannot >

> > > dwelve into this area.> > > > > > > > I recommend studying the

past birth.> Theres> > some work to be done > > > > using

Adhana(Conception) charts, to see> the> > entry of the soul > > > > into

this birth, which is actually when> the> > sperm leaves the > > > >

penis, and not the actual impregnation> itself.> > > > > > > > Jaimini

gives extensive information about> this> > concept.> > > > Best wishes,

Visti.> > > > > > > > > Dear Gurus and list members,> > > > > > >

> > > The late B.V. Raman expressed that 'free> > will always be a part >

> > > of ones karma' - i.e. the "portion" or> size of> > the free will >

> > > depend on what ones karma will allow.> > > > > > > > > > There

are three issues here:> > > > > > > > > > 1. We know that the 1st house

is our> current> > incarnation, the > > > > 9th is our previous one and

the 5th house> will> > reveal our next. > > > > In this context I will be

very grateful if> any> > of the > > > > knowledgeable gurus will care to

explain> HOW> > to use these houses > > > > (should they be treated as

lagna for this> > particular issues ? > > > > occupying planets,

aspects etc). > > > > > > > > > > 2. Furthermore, in some unpublished>

material> > I found a > > > > statement that indicates the DWADASAMSA to>

be> > another vital key > > > > for studying (re)incarnation from. The>

writer> > does not mention > > > > HOW to do that. > > > > > Anyone

of the gurus care to provide some> > explanation ?> > > > > > > > > >

3. I feel that the above could also> explain> > why a particular > > > >

child (soul) is choosing a particular> parent> > (family / nation / > > >

> country) to be born into as well as many> other> > details regarding > >

> > our parents. I am not sure how and need to> be> === message truncated

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Namaste Claudio,

 

I read during a desultory browsing through the Internet some time

back (July-Aug 2001) that if Rahu is in lagna in the death chart of a

person, that definitely indicates rebirth...they also had a theory

for rebirth within the family or outside etc. This article was based

on a survey and they had even verified the next birth and tallied /

dovetailed it to the previous one.

 

Quite interesting and all that , but alas, I forgot where i read it

up. Try searching the web.

 

Regards,

Lakshmi

 

 

 

 

vedic astrology, "Claudio Scubla" <c.scubla@t...> wrote:

> Dear Sarbani,

>

> Sanjay is surely right as he quotes Parashara. This was just a

personal view and surely not a final word. I agree too about D60 but

have no experience on it ( for this topic) . Now I am quite surprised

about what is said about rahu. I agree about the karmic role of the

nodes but my question is: how can ketu (moksha karaka), an indranced

energy (at least for wordly affairs) signify the future, where rahu

is the opposite? To get enlightment, is despite the apparent

contradiction, a "desire". Till now I have observed in my life and in

those charts I have studied that whenever rahu is active it boosts

life towards the direction it signifies. And when ketu is active,

just the opposite: indrances towards what it signifies (for worldly

affairs). There is a tie here indeed. I think that the desire make us

go forward (into the future) and that absence of desire (ketu) is a

state of realisation and/or contentment. Usually we are contented

when we have already got the desired object or when we don't need to

develop further a quality that is already mastered. And this, if my

comprehension of life is not to bad, comes often from past...

> Exemple: you don't need any more to go to primary school because

you have mastered everything about elementary knowledge. There is a

contented (or realised) experience in this field. This according to

my knowledge, can be attributed to a ketu energy.

> What think the others eminent jyotishi's of the list ?

>

> claudio

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Dear Gurudeva,

Please find attached charts of Mother ,Father,Elder daughter and younger

daughter. Also find death chart of the second daughter(cold turned to

neumonia(hope my spelling are correct)and died after about a month in the

hospital).(all times given by mother)

The query by the mother was if her late daughter will be born to her as a son?

The reason given by her was that (a)Her mother-in-law had a dream as if the dead

girl is telling her that she is going to be with them again and

(b)Mother had dreamt of her dead daughter as an old lady with white hair but

looking like a child about 8 years before the girls death.

Few Facts:Mother has lot of faith in Durga Mata and she has visions of Mata and

has had vivid dreams in the past which have come true.

With regards,

Jagmeet

Attachment: (application/octet-stream) MANAK-MOTHER.jhd [not stored]

Attachment: (application/octet-stream) MADAN-FATHER.jhd [not stored]

Attachment: (application/octet-stream) ALPA-ELDER DAUGHTER.jhd [not stored]

Attachment: (application/octet-stream) TARU- YOUNGER DAUGHTER.jhd [not stored]

Attachment: (application/octet-stream) TARU- YOUNGER DAUGHTER-DEATH.jhd [not stored]

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Om Gurave Namah

------------------------

Dear Jay

have you read the article Karma & free will at

http://sanjayrath.tripod.com/Saints/karma_freewill.htm Reincarnation is not

free-will, but the will of God (Bhagavat Gita). Dwadasamsa is a key as it is

again God's will as to the kind of family and lineage you will have,

circumstances etc. Jay, the child does not choose, god chooses based on the

karma of the past incarnation(s).

Please also read my interview in the starteller which is also available in the

web site. Then put 2 & 2 together and you will realise that the dwadasamsa tells

very little, in fact almost nothing.

Best Regards,

Sanjay Rath

Web: http://sanjayrath.tripod.com

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"Jay Weiss" <jayhw

<vedic astrology>

Thursday, May 02, 2002 2:16 PM

[vedic astrology] Secrets of Reincarnation and Free will ?

 

 

Dear Gurus and list members,

 

The late B.V. Raman expressed that 'free will always be a part of ones karma' -

i.e. the "portion" or size of the free will depend on what ones karma will

allow.

 

There are three issues here:

 

1. We know that the 1st house is our current incarnation, the 9th is our

previous one and the 5th house will reveal our next. In this context I will be

very grateful if any of the knowledgeable gurus will care to explain HOW to use

these houses (should they be treated as lagna for this particular issues ?

occupying planets, aspects etc).

 

2. Furthermore, in some unpublished material I found a statement that indicates

the DWADASAMSA to be another vital key for studying (re)incarnation from. The

writer does not mention HOW to do that.

Anyone of the gurus care to provide some explanation ?

 

3. I feel that the above could also explain why a particular child (soul) is

choosing a particular parent (family / nation / country) to be born into as well

as many other details regarding our parents. I am not sure how and need to be

enlightened from the more knowledgeable.

 

I feel that many people in the west do not "buy" the concept of karma and reject

any attempt for further explanation. This inspite of the fact that their own

reality proves otherwise.

Therefore it is important to extend the knowledge of "karma and free will" in

chart interpretation. Both for experimenting the theory and for being able to

provide better explanation to those who seek answers.

Without the knowledge we get no where ...

 

Kind regards

 

Jay Weiss