Secrets of Reincarnation and Free will ? - Visti

[Guest guest]

Dear Visti,

 

Thanks for our input - as usual very informative.

However, I am almost 100% sure hat there is/are some 'secret' system(s) or

rules BEYOND what we find in BHPS and Jaimini Sutras (I scanned both Sanjays

and Bangalor Suryanarain Rao's versions) which is unknown in public.

 

What I am trying to find out is basically a way to explain karma's results

(read situations) to those who need an explanation in a different or

extensive way (based naturally on their chart) so that they can overcome

certain life events in the best possible way (for them).

As we both live in the same part of the world (Scandinavia) I am sure that

you are aware of the mentality ad level of acceptance here.

 

Well, lets see what he other gurus have to add.

 

Kind regards (as always)

 

Jay

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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"Visti Larsen" <vishnu

<vedic astrology>

Thursday, May 02, 2002 12:02 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] Secrets of Reincarnation and Free will ?

 

 

> Vyam Vysadevaya Namah

> ------------------------

> Dear Jay,

> Parasara and Varahamihira have given some clues to seeing the

> next birth. The most important point is that rebirth is due to

> desire, and if there is desire one cannot escape the cycle of

> rebirth.

>

> Hence we must reckon the 7th house to see whether this can be.

> Parasara actually adds; 12th, 7th, 6th and 8th in that order.

> i.e. if 12th is stronger then there will be moksha.. this should

> be 12th from Karakamsa. 7th from Lagna shows desires. 6th shows

> punishment and 8th shows debt.

>

> Hence all these houses should first be taken into consideration,

> to see whether there will be rebirth or not.

>

> The temporary abode after death will be seen from the grahas in

> the various houses. After this there is rebirth again. Parasara

> and Varahimihira have described the abodes connected with the

> grahas in these houses.

>

> The Mrityu Kundali, or the time when the body dies, is supposed

> to show some more details as well.

>

> But without a thorough understanding of Reincarnation we cannot

> dwelve into this area.

>

> I recommend studying the past birth. Theres some work to be done

> using Adhana(Conception) charts, to see the entry of the soul

> into this birth, which is actually when the sperm leaves the

> penis, and not the actual impregnation itself.

>

> Jaimini gives extensive information about this concept.

> Best wishes, Visti.

>

> > Dear Gurus and list members,

> >

> > The late B.V. Raman expressed that 'free will always be a part

> of ones karma' - i.e. the "portion" or size of the free will

> depend on what ones karma will allow.

> >

> > There are three issues here:

> >

> > 1. We know that the 1st house is our current incarnation, the

> 9th is our previous one and the 5th house will reveal our next.

> In this context I will be very grateful if any of the

> knowledgeable gurus will care to explain HOW to use these houses

> (should they be treated as lagna for this particular issues ?

> occupying planets, aspects etc).

> >

> > 2. Furthermore, in some unpublished material I found a

> statement that indicates the DWADASAMSA to be another vital key

> for studying (re)incarnation from. The writer does not mention

> HOW to do that.

> > Anyone of the gurus care to provide some explanation ?

> >

> > 3. I feel that the above could also explain why a particular

> child (soul) is choosing a particular parent (family / nation /

> country) to be born into as well as many other details regarding

> our parents. I am not sure how and need to be enlightened from

> the more knowledgeable.

> >

> > I feel that many people in the west do not "buy" the concept

> of karma and reject any attempt for further explanation. This

> inspite of the fact that their own reality proves otherwise.

> > Therefore it is important to extend the knowledge of "karma

> and free will" in chart interpretation. Both for experimenting

> the theory and for being able to provide better explanation to

> those who seek answers.

> > Without the knowledge we get no where ...

> >

> > Kind regards

> >

> > Jay Weiss

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

>

>

>

> Your use of is subject to

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[Guest guest]

vedic astrology, "Jay Weiss" <jayhw@t...> wrote:

> Dear Visti,

>

> Thanks for our input - as usual very informative.

> However, I am almost 100% sure hat there is/are some 'secret' system

(s) or

> rules BEYOND what we find in BHPS and Jaimini Sutras (I scanned

both Sanjays

> and Bangalor Suryanarain Rao's versions) which is unknown in

public.

>

I think Mr. Rath has mentioned studying the higher divisional charts

and in particular D-60 for past life karma issues.

 

 

> What I am trying to find out is basically a way to explain karma's

results

> (read situations) to those who need an explanation in a different or

> extensive way (based naturally on their chart) so that they can

overcome

> certain life events in the best possible way (for them).

> As we both live in the same part of the world (Scandinavia) I am

sure that

> you are aware of the mentality ad level of acceptance here.

>

I have read a technical description of how karma works by the

occultist Rudolf Steiner. In this view a portion of the past life

desire life is put away, and becomes a kind of crystallized thought

in the next life. The planetary energies join with this lattice when

the soul descends in the last stage into incarnation, and all

thoughts in the present life have to pass through it.

 

I guess this makes some sense if one looks at things in a common

sense way, at least to me it's obvious that thought is what

determines desire and feeling. If you can't grasp it, then you can't

have feelings about it or desire it. So maybe there is some free will

regarding issues not covered by that "web of thought".

 

I'm presently studying divisionals myself. But what maybe you are

looking for is to translate it into a specific explanation for a

particular sin. In my view astrology as such does not deal with that,

it's the effect and not the cause. But individual karma is probably

in general aimed at redeeming sin, or in another way balance past

life excesses so one can maybe speculate along such lines. (Steiner

also mentions group karma, race karma etc.)

 

 

> Well, lets see what he other gurus have to add.

>

> Kind regards (as always)

>

> Jay

>

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> "Visti Larsen" <vishnu@l...>

> <vedic astrology>

> Thursday, May 02, 2002 12:02 PM

> Re: [vedic astrology] Secrets of Reincarnation and Free

will ?

>

>

> > Vyam Vysadevaya Namah

> > ------------------------

> > Dear Jay,

> > Parasara and Varahamihira have given some clues to seeing the

> > next birth. The most important point is that rebirth is due to

> > desire, and if there is desire one cannot escape the cycle of

> > rebirth.

> >

> > Hence we must reckon the 7th house to see whether this can be.

> > Parasara actually adds; 12th, 7th, 6th and 8th in that order.

> > i.e. if 12th is stronger then there will be moksha.. this should

> > be 12th from Karakamsa. 7th from Lagna shows desires. 6th shows

> > punishment and 8th shows debt.

> >

> > Hence all these houses should first be taken into consideration,

> > to see whether there will be rebirth or not.

> >

> > The temporary abode after death will be seen from the grahas in

> > the various houses. After this there is rebirth again. Parasara

> > and Varahimihira have described the abodes connected with the

> > grahas in these houses.

> >

> > The Mrityu Kundali, or the time when the body dies, is supposed

> > to show some more details as well.

> >

> > But without a thorough understanding of Reincarnation we cannot

> > dwelve into this area.

> >

> > I recommend studying the past birth. Theres some work to be done

> > using Adhana(Conception) charts, to see the entry of the soul

> > into this birth, which is actually when the sperm leaves the

> > penis, and not the actual impregnation itself.

> >

> > Jaimini gives extensive information about this concept.

> > Best wishes, Visti.

> >

> > > Dear Gurus and list members,

> > >

> > > The late B.V. Raman expressed that 'free will always be a part

> > of ones karma' - i.e. the "portion" or size of the free will

> > depend on what ones karma will allow.

> > >

> > > There are three issues here:

> > >

> > > 1. We know that the 1st house is our current incarnation, the

> > 9th is our previous one and the 5th house will reveal our next.

> > In this context I will be very grateful if any of the

> > knowledgeable gurus will care to explain HOW to use these houses

> > (should they be treated as lagna for this particular issues ?

> > occupying planets, aspects etc).

> > >

> > > 2. Furthermore, in some unpublished material I found a

> > statement that indicates the DWADASAMSA to be another vital key

> > for studying (re)incarnation from. The writer does not mention

> > HOW to do that.

> > > Anyone of the gurus care to provide some explanation ?

> > >

> > > 3. I feel that the above could also explain why a particular

> > child (soul) is choosing a particular parent (family / nation /

> > country) to be born into as well as many other details regarding

> > our parents. I am not sure how and need to be enlightened from

> > the more knowledgeable.

> > >

> > > I feel that many people in the west do not "buy" the concept

> > of karma and reject any attempt for further explanation. This

> > inspite of the fact that their own reality proves otherwise.

> > > Therefore it is important to extend the knowledge of "karma

> > and free will" in chart interpretation. Both for experimenting

> > the theory and for being able to provide better explanation to

> > those who seek answers.

> > > Without the knowledge we get no where ...

> > >

> > > Kind regards

> > >

> > > Jay Weiss

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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