Guest guest Posted May 2, 2002 Report Share Posted May 2, 2002 Om Gurave Namah, Dear Chandan, The 12th(Vyaya) house stands for loss and self undoing from house of reference. 12th from Lagna(Physical self) is bad for individual and hence a duhstana house. But 12th from atmakaraka in matters of dharma is seen from navamsa chart. When atma looses it's sense of individuality from paramatma it attains moksha. Also Siddhamsa D24 which is a factor of 12 gives various knowledge and siddhis. Arudha of 12th house from moon would indicate the attachment of mind to individual feeling of self and can indicate after death conditions (Refer Pt. Sanjay Rath Arudha Cassettes). 12th from Arudha lagna can indicate whom the person likes a very much and spends on. The 12th from arudha lagna could also indicate secret enemies or a person who creates losses without the individuals knowledge. So for material,mind and physical matters attachment and losses are bad. Whereas when seen from Atma loss of attacment to individuality is good and one is realised. Hope this helps you, Learned members can please correct any mistakes. Regards S.Prabhakaran vedic astrology, "chandan_astro" <chandan_astro> wrote: > Dear jotish friends, > One question really puzzles me--if 12th house is for mokha and that > is the best thing that can happen to a human being then why it has > been called dusthan (bad house). > Chandan > > vedic astrology, Visti Larsen <vishnu@l...> wrote: > > Vyam Vysadevaya Namah > > ------------------------ > > Dear Jay, > > Parasara and Varahamihira have given some clues to seeing the > > next birth. The most important point is that rebirth is due to > > desire, and if there is desire one cannot escape the cycle of > > rebirth. > > > > Hence we must reckon the 7th house to see whether this can be. > > Parasara actually adds; 12th, 7th, 6th and 8th in that order. > > i.e. if 12th is stronger then there will be moksha.. this should > > be 12th from Karakamsa. 7th from Lagna shows desires. 6th shows > > punishment and 8th shows debt. > > > > Hence all these houses should first be taken into consideration, > > to see whether there will be rebirth or not. > > > > The temporary abode after death will be seen from the grahas in > > the various houses. After this there is rebirth again. Parasara > > and Varahimihira have described the abodes connected with the > > grahas in these houses. > > > > The Mrityu Kundali, or the time when the body dies, is supposed > > to show some more details as well. > > > > But without a thorough understanding of Reincarnation we cannot > > dwelve into this area. > > > > I recommend studying the past birth. Theres some work to be done > > using Adhana(Conception) charts, to see the entry of the soul > > into this birth, which is actually when the sperm leaves the > > penis, and not the actual impregnation itself. > > > > Jaimini gives extensive information about this concept. > > Best wishes, Visti. > > > > > Dear Gurus and list members, > > > > > > The late B.V. Raman expressed that 'free will always be a part > > of ones karma' - i.e. the "portion" or size of the free will > > depend on what ones karma will allow. > > > > > > There are three issues here: > > > > > > 1. We know that the 1st house is our current incarnation, the > > 9th is our previous one and the 5th house will reveal our next. > > In this context I will be very grateful if any of the > > knowledgeable gurus will care to explain HOW to use these houses > > (should they be treated as lagna for this particular issues ? > > occupying planets, aspects etc). > > > > > > 2. Furthermore, in some unpublished material I found a > > statement that indicates the DWADASAMSA to be another vital key > > for studying (re)incarnation from. The writer does not mention > > HOW to do that. > > > Anyone of the gurus care to provide some explanation ? > > > > > > 3. I feel that the above could also explain why a particular > > child (soul) is choosing a particular parent (family / nation / > > country) to be born into as well as many other details regarding > > our parents. I am not sure how and need to be enlightened from > > the more knowledgeable. > > > > > > I feel that many people in the west do not "buy" the concept > > of karma and reject any attempt for further explanation. This > > inspite of the fact that their own reality proves otherwise. > > > Therefore it is important to extend the knowledge of "karma > > and free will" in chart interpretation. Both for experimenting > > the theory and for being able to provide better explanation to > > those who seek answers. > > > Without the knowledge we get no where ... > > > > > > Kind regards > > > > > > Jay Weiss > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2002 Report Share Posted May 2, 2002 Om Guruave Namah Dear Sanjayprabhakaran, You have explained this quite well. Some day i hope to hear gurudev sanjay's audio tapes. You have mentioned that 12th from AL would indicate sectet enemies. I may be wrong but isnt 8th from AL the place for secret enemies? Thanks and Regards Hari - sanjayprabhakaran vedic astrology Friday, May 03, 2002 1:54 AM [vedic astrology] 12th house. Om Gurave Namah,Dear Chandan,The 12th(Vyaya) house stands for loss and self undoing from house of reference. 12th from Lagna(Physical self) is bad for individual and hence a duhstana house.But 12th from atmakaraka in matters of dharma is seen from navamsa chart. When atma looses it's sense of individuality from paramatma it attains moksha. Also Siddhamsa D24 which is a factor of 12 gives various knowledge and siddhis.Arudha of 12th house from moon would indicate the attachment of mind to individual feeling of self and can indicate after death conditions(Refer Pt. Sanjay Rath Arudha Cassettes). 12th from Arudha lagna can indicate whom the person likes a very much and spends on. The 12th from arudha lagna could also indicate secret enemies or a person who creates losses without the individuals knowledge. So for material,mind and physical matters attachment and losses are bad. Whereas when seen from Atma loss of attacment to individuality is good and one is realised.Hope this helps you, Learned members can please correct any mistakes.RegardsS.Prabhakaran--- In vedic astrology, "chandan_astro" <chandan_astro> wrote:> Dear jotish friends,> One question really puzzles me--if 12th house is for mokha and that > is the best thing that can happen to a human being then why it has > been called dusthan (bad house). > Chandan> > vedic astrology, Visti Larsen <vishnu@l...> wrote:> > Vyam Vysadevaya Namah> > ------------------------> > Dear Jay,> > Parasara and Varahamihira have given some clues to seeing the > > next birth. The most important point is that rebirth is due to > > desire, and if there is desire one cannot escape the cycle of > > rebirth.> > > > Hence we must reckon the 7th house to see whether this can be.> > Parasara actually adds; 12th, 7th, 6th and 8th in that order. > > i.e. if 12th is stronger then there will be moksha.. this should > > be 12th from Karakamsa. 7th from Lagna shows desires. 6th shows > > punishment and 8th shows debt.> > > > Hence all these houses should first be taken into consideration, > > to see whether there will be rebirth or not.> > > > The temporary abode after death will be seen from the grahas in > > the various houses. After this there is rebirth again. Parasara > > and Varahimihira have described the abodes connected with the > > grahas in these houses.> > > > The Mrityu Kundali, or the time when the body dies, is supposed > > to show some more details as well.> > > > But without a thorough understanding of Reincarnation we cannot > > dwelve into this area.> > > > I recommend studying the past birth. Theres some work to be done > > using Adhana(Conception) charts, to see the entry of the soul > > into this birth, which is actually when the sperm leaves the > > penis, and not the actual impregnation itself.> > > > Jaimini gives extensive information about this concept.> > Best wishes, Visti.> > > > > Dear Gurus and list members,> > > > > > The late B.V. Raman expressed that 'free will always be a part > > of ones karma' - i.e. the "portion" or size of the free will > > depend on what ones karma will allow.> > > > > > There are three issues here:> > > > > > 1. We know that the 1st house is our current incarnation, the > > 9th is our previous one and the 5th house will reveal our next. > > In this context I will be very grateful if any of the > > knowledgeable gurus will care to explain HOW to use these houses > > (should they be treated as lagna for this particular issues ? > > occupying planets, aspects etc). > > > > > > 2. Furthermore, in some unpublished material I found a > > statement that indicates the DWADASAMSA to be another vital key > > for studying (re)incarnation from. The writer does not mention > > HOW to do that. > > > Anyone of the gurus care to provide some explanation ?> > > > > > 3. I feel that the above could also explain why a particular > > child (soul) is choosing a particular parent (family / nation / > > country) to be born into as well as many other details regarding > > our parents. I am not sure how and need to be enlightened from > > the more knowledgeable.> > > > > > I feel that many people in the west do not "buy" the concept > > of karma and reject any attempt for further explanation. This > > inspite of the fact that their own reality proves otherwise. > > > Therefore it is important to extend the knowledge of "karma > > and free will" in chart interpretation. Both for experimenting > > the theory and for being able to provide better explanation to > > those who seek answers.> > > Without the knowledge we get no where ...> > > > > > Kind regards> > > > > > Jay Weiss> > > > > > > > >Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2002 Report Share Posted May 3, 2002 Om Shree Gurave Namah, Dear Hari, 8th is house of death,disaster, misfortune etc. Malefics in 8th from AL aspect your 2nd from AL which is your pocket and hence may be inimical to you. 8th could give you hidden wealth or inheritance as it is 7th from 2nd. 8th could give you secret support to aquire your 'kingdom' 10th Like Shree Ram got support of Veebhishana due to argala of Aqurius on his 10th Aries. But as far as my understanding is 8th is not directly related to secret enemies. It should be 12th as it's 7th(Partners) from 6th(Enemies). The perception of a person being our enemy or not is due to our involvement with Maaya (AL) hence should be seen from Arudha Lagna(AL). From Lagna which is a satya peetha there are no enemies in natal jyataka. Regards S.Prabhakaran Hare Ram Krishna, Jaya Jagannatha. vedic astrology, "Katti Narahari" <katti_narahari@h...> wrote: > Om Guruave Namah > > Dear Sanjayprabhakaran, > > You have explained this quite well. Some day i hope to hear gurudev sanjay's audio tapes. > > You have mentioned that 12th from AL would indicate sectet enemies. I may be wrong but isnt 8th from AL the place for secret enemies? > > Thanks and Regards > > Hari > - > sanjayprabhakaran > vedic astrology > Friday, May 03, 2002 1:54 AM > [vedic astrology] 12th house. > > > Om Gurave Namah, > Dear Chandan, > The 12th(Vyaya) house stands for loss and self undoing from house of > reference. 12th from Lagna(Physical self) is bad for individual and > hence a duhstana house. > But 12th from atmakaraka in matters of dharma is seen from navamsa > chart. When atma looses it's sense of individuality from paramatma it > attains moksha. Also Siddhamsa D24 which is a factor of 12 gives > various knowledge and siddhis. > Arudha of 12th house from moon would indicate the attachment of mind > to individual feeling of self and can indicate after death conditions > (Refer Pt. Sanjay Rath Arudha Cassettes). > 12th from Arudha lagna can indicate whom the person likes a very much > and spends on. The 12th from arudha lagna could also indicate secret > enemies or a person who creates losses without the individuals > knowledge. > So for material,mind and physical matters attachment and losses are > bad. Whereas when seen from Atma loss of attacment to individuality > is good and one is realised. > Hope this helps you, Learned members can please correct any mistakes. > > Regards > S.Prabhakaran > > vedic astrology, "chandan_astro" <chandan_astro> > wrote: > > Dear jotish friends, > > One question really puzzles me--if 12th house is for mokha and that > > is the best thing that can happen to a human being then why it has > > been called dusthan (bad house). > > Chandan > > > > vedic astrology, Visti Larsen <vishnu@l...> wrote: > > > Vyam Vysadevaya Namah > > > ------------------------ > > > Dear Jay, > > > Parasara and Varahamihira have given some clues to seeing the > > > next birth. The most important point is that rebirth is due to > > > desire, and if there is desire one cannot escape the cycle of > > > rebirth. > > > > > > Hence we must reckon the 7th house to see whether this can be. > > > Parasara actually adds; 12th, 7th, 6th and 8th in that order. > > > i.e. if 12th is stronger then there will be moksha.. this should > > > be 12th from Karakamsa. 7th from Lagna shows desires. 6th shows > > > punishment and 8th shows debt. > > > > > > Hence all these houses should first be taken into consideration, > > > to see whether there will be rebirth or not. > > > > > > The temporary abode after death will be seen from the grahas in > > > the various houses. After this there is rebirth again. Parasara > > > and Varahimihira have described the abodes connected with the > > > grahas in these houses. > > > > > > The Mrityu Kundali, or the time when the body dies, is supposed > > > to show some more details as well. > > > > > > But without a thorough understanding of Reincarnation we cannot > > > dwelve into this area. > > > > > > I recommend studying the past birth. Theres some work to be done > > > using Adhana(Conception) charts, to see the entry of the soul > > > into this birth, which is actually when the sperm leaves the > > > penis, and not the actual impregnation itself. > > > > > > Jaimini gives extensive information about this concept. > > > Best wishes, Visti. > > > > > > > Dear Gurus and list members, > > > > > > > > The late B.V. Raman expressed that 'free will always be a part > > > of ones karma' - i.e. the "portion" or size of the free will > > > depend on what ones karma will allow. > > > > > > > > There are three issues here: > > > > > > > > 1. We know that the 1st house is our current incarnation, the > > > 9th is our previous one and the 5th house will reveal our next. > > > In this context I will be very grateful if any of the > > > knowledgeable gurus will care to explain HOW to use these houses > > > (should they be treated as lagna for this particular issues ? > > > occupying planets, aspects etc). > > > > > > > > 2. Furthermore, in some unpublished material I found a > > > statement that indicates the DWADASAMSA to be another vital key > > > for studying (re)incarnation from. The writer does not mention > > > HOW to do that. > > > > Anyone of the gurus care to provide some explanation ? > > > > > > > > 3. I feel that the above could also explain why a particular > > > child (soul) is choosing a particular parent (family / nation / > > > country) to be born into as well as many other details regarding > > > our parents. I am not sure how and need to be enlightened from > > > the more knowledgeable. > > > > > > > > I feel that many people in the west do not "buy" the concept > > > of karma and reject any attempt for further explanation. This > > > inspite of the fact that their own reality proves otherwise. > > > > Therefore it is important to extend the knowledge of "karma > > > and free will" in chart interpretation. Both for experimenting > > > the theory and for being able to provide better explanation to > > > those who seek answers. > > > > Without the knowledge we get no where ... > > > > > > > > Kind regards > > > > > > > > Jay Weiss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-@e... > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2002 Report Share Posted May 4, 2002 Vyam Vysadevaya Namah -------------------- Dear Sanjay, 8th house is an often misunderstood house. 8th house controls your longevity, significator being Saturn. Mars is the killer in such a case. 8th from Arudha Lagna shows those who promote ones image, and gives it longevety. Being a secret house, these people doso secretly. I have Moon in 8th from my Arudha Lagna.. My mother and/or such people, must talk alot about me when i'm not around and promote my image. Regarding your posts about 12th house, there must be some similarity between the 12th from AL/Lagna/Karakamsa, and other houses.. You have given vividly different indications of each, what are the similarities? Best wishes, Visti. - sanjayprabhakaran vedic astrology Friday, May 03, 2002 3:42 PM [vedic astrology] Re: 12th house. Om Shree Gurave Namah,Dear Hari,8th is house of death,disaster, misfortune etc. Malefics in 8th from AL aspect your 2nd from AL which is your pocket and hence may be inimical to you. 8th could give you hidden wealth or inheritance as it is 7th from 2nd. 8th could give you secret support to aquire your 'kingdom' 10th Like Shree Ram got support of Veebhishana due to argala of Aqurius on his 10th Aries. But as far as my understanding is 8th is not directly related to secret enemies. It should be 12th as it's 7th(Partners) from 6th(Enemies). The perception of a person being our enemy or not is due to our involvement with Maaya (AL) hence should be seen from Arudha Lagna(AL). From Lagna which is a satya peetha there are no enemies in natal jyataka.RegardsS.PrabhakaranHare Ram Krishna,Jaya Jagannatha.vedic astrology, "Katti Narahari" <katti_narahari@h...> wrote:> Om Guruave Namah> > Dear Sanjayprabhakaran,> > You have explained this quite well. Some day i hope to hear gurudev sanjay's audio tapes. > > You have mentioned that 12th from AL would indicate sectet enemies. I may be wrong but isnt 8th from AL the place for secret enemies?> > Thanks and Regards> > Hari> - > sanjayprabhakaran > vedic astrology > Friday, May 03, 2002 1:54 AM> [vedic astrology] 12th house.> > > Om Gurave Namah,> Dear Chandan,> The 12th(Vyaya) house stands for loss and self undoing from house of > reference. 12th from Lagna(Physical self) is bad for individual and > hence a duhstana house.> But 12th from atmakaraka in matters of dharma is seen from navamsa > chart. When atma looses it's sense of individuality from paramatma it > attains moksha. Also Siddhamsa D24 which is a factor of 12 gives > various knowledge and siddhis.> Arudha of 12th house from moon would indicate the attachment of mind > to individual feeling of self and can indicate after death conditions> (Refer Pt. Sanjay Rath Arudha Cassettes). > 12th from Arudha lagna can indicate whom the person likes a very much > and spends on. The 12th from arudha lagna could also indicate secret > enemies or a person who creates losses without the individuals > knowledge. > So for material,mind and physical matters attachment and losses are > bad. Whereas when seen from Atma loss of attacment to individuality > is good and one is realised.> Hope this helps you, Learned members can please correct any mistakes.> > Regards> S.Prabhakaran> > --- In vedic astrology, "chandan_astro" <chandan_astro> > wrote:> > Dear jotish friends,> > One question really puzzles me--if 12th house is for mokha and that > > is the best thing that can happen to a human being then why it has > > been called dusthan (bad house). > > Chandan> > > > --- In vedic astrology, Visti Larsen <vishnu@l...> wrote:> > > Vyam Vysadevaya Namah> > > ------------------------> > > Dear Jay,> > > Parasara and Varahamihira have given some clues to seeing the > > > next birth. The most important point is that rebirth is due to > > > desire, and if there is desire one cannot escape the cycle of > > > rebirth.> > > > > > Hence we must reckon the 7th house to see whether this can be.> > > Parasara actually adds; 12th, 7th, 6th and 8th in that order. > > > i.e. if 12th is stronger then there will be moksha.. this should > > > be 12th from Karakamsa. 7th from Lagna shows desires. 6th shows > > > punishment and 8th shows debt.> > > > > > Hence all these houses should first be taken into consideration, > > > to see whether there will be rebirth or not.> > > > > > The temporary abode after death will be seen from the grahas in > > > the various houses. After this there is rebirth again. Parasara > > > and Varahimihira have described the abodes connected with the > > > grahas in these houses.> > > > > > The Mrityu Kundali, or the time when the body dies, is supposed > > > to show some more details as well.> > > > > > But without a thorough understanding of Reincarnation we cannot > > > dwelve into this area.> > > > > > I recommend studying the past birth. Theres some work to be done > > > using Adhana(Conception) charts, to see the entry of the soul > > > into this birth, which is actually when the sperm leaves the > > > penis, and not the actual impregnation itself.> > > > > > Jaimini gives extensive information about this concept.> > > Best wishes, Visti.> > > > > > > Dear Gurus and list members,> > > > > > > > The late B.V. Raman expressed that 'free will always be a part > > > of ones karma' - i.e. the "portion" or size of the free will > > > depend on what ones karma will allow.> > > > > > > > There are three issues here:> > > > > > > > 1. We know that the 1st house is our current incarnation, the > > > 9th is our previous one and the 5th house will reveal our next. > > > In this context I will be very grateful if any of the > > > knowledgeable gurus will care to explain HOW to use these houses > > > (should they be treated as lagna for this particular issues ? > > > occupying planets, aspects etc). > > > > > > > > 2. Furthermore, in some unpublished material I found a > > > statement that indicates the DWADASAMSA to be another vital key > > > for studying (re)incarnation from. The writer does not mention > > > HOW to do that. > > > > Anyone of the gurus care to provide some explanation ?> > > > > > > > 3. I feel that the above could also explain why a particular > > > child (soul) is choosing a particular parent (family / nation / > > > country) to be born into as well as many other details regarding > > > our parents. I am not sure how and need to be enlightened from > > > the more knowledgeable.> > > > > > > > I feel that many people in the west do not "buy" the concept > > > of karma and reject any attempt for further explanation. This > > > inspite of the fact that their own reality proves otherwise. > > > > Therefore it is important to extend the knowledge of "karma > > > and free will" in chart interpretation. Both for experimenting > > > the theory and for being able to provide better explanation to > > > those who seek answers.> > > > Without the knowledge we get no where ...> > > > > > > > Kind regards> > > > > > > > Jay Weiss> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > Sponsor > > > > > > Archives: vedic astrology> > Group info: vedic astrology/info.html> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-@e...> > ....... 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Guest guest Posted May 4, 2002 Report Share Posted May 4, 2002 Om namo Narayanaya Dear Visti, Yes, the 8th house is often misunderstood house. I have written an article for Jyotish Digest which I will send to Sanjay Ji later. I have mentioned the 8th house as house of the transformation. It is naturally ruled by Mangal. Mangal is graha of activity.. Mangal is ruled by Sama Veda, which represents the ATMA, pure awareness, so that is the activity which takes us towards dharma, karma and other higher states of consciousness. Best wishes Zoran Visti Larsen wrote: Vyam Vysadevaya Namah--------------------Dear Sanjay,8th house is an often misunderstood house.8th house controls your longevity, significator being Saturn. Mars is the killer in such a case. 8th from Arudha Lagna shows those who promote ones image, and gives it longevety. Being a secret house, these people doso secretly. I have Moon in 8th from my Arudha Lagna.. My mother and/or such people, must talk alot about me when i'm not around and promote my image. Regarding your posts about 12th house, there must be some similarity between the 12th from AL/Lagna/Karakamsa, and other houses.. You have given vividly different indications of each, what are the similarities? Best wishes, Visti. - sanjayprabhakaran vedic astrology Friday, May 03, 2002 3:42 PM [vedic astrology] Re: 12th house. Om Shree Gurave Namah, Dear Hari, 8th is house of death,disaster, misfortune etc. Malefics in 8th from AL aspect your 2nd from AL which is your pocket and hence may be inimical to you. 8th could give you hidden wealth or inheritance as it is 7th from 2nd. 8th could give you secret support to aquire your 'kingdom' 10th Like Shree Ram got support of Veebhishana due to argala of Aqurius on his 10th Aries. But as far as my understanding is 8th is not directly related to secret enemies. It should be 12th as it's 7th(Partners) from 6th(Enemies). The perception of a person being our enemy or not is due to our involvement with Maaya (AL) hence should be seen from Arudha Lagna(AL). From Lagna which is a satya peetha there are no enemies in natal jyataka. Regards S.Prabhakaran Hare Ram Krishna, Jaya Jagannatha. vedic astrology, "Katti Narahari" <katti_narahari@h...> wrote: > Om Guruave Namah > > Dear Sanjayprabhakaran, > > You have explained this quite well. Some day i hope to hear gurudev sanjay's audio tapes. > > You have mentioned that 12th from AL would indicate sectet enemies. I may be wrong but isnt 8th from AL the place for secret enemies? > > Thanks and Regards > > Hari > - > sanjayprabhakaran > vedic astrology > Friday, May 03, 2002 1:54 AM > [vedic astrology] 12th house. > > > Om Gurave Namah, > Dear Chandan, > The 12th(Vyaya) house stands for loss and self undoing from house of > reference. 12th from Lagna(Physical self) is bad for individual and > hence a duhstana house. > But 12th from atmakaraka in matters of dharma is seen from navamsa > chart. When atma looses it's sense of individuality from paramatma it > attains moksha. Also Siddhamsa D24 which is a factor of 12 gives > various knowledge and siddhis. > Arudha of 12th house from moon would indicate the attachment of mind > to individual feeling of self and can indicate after death conditions > (Refer Pt. Sanjay Rath Arudha Cassettes). > 12th from Arudha lagna can indicate whom the person likes a very much > and spends on. The 12th from arudha lagna could also indicate secret > enemies or a person who creates losses without the individuals > knowledge. > So for material,mind and physical matters attachment and losses are > bad. Whereas when seen from Atma loss of attacment to individuality > is good and one is realised. > Hope this helps you, Learned members can please correct any mistakes. > > Regards > S.Prabhakaran > > vedic astrology, "chandan_astro" <chandan_astro> > wrote: > > Dear jotish friends, > > One question really puzzles me--if 12th house is for mokha and that > > is the best thing that can happen to a human being then why it has > > been called dusthan (bad house). > > Chandan > > > > vedic astrology, Visti Larsen <vishnu@l...> wrote: > > > Vyam Vysadevaya Namah > > > ------------------------ > > > Dear Jay, > > > Parasara and Varahamihira have given some clues to seeing the > > > next birth. The most important point is that rebirth is due to > > > desire, and if there is desire one cannot escape the cycle of > > > rebirth. > > > > > > Hence we must reckon the 7th house to see whether this can be. > > > Parasara actually adds; 12th, 7th, 6th and 8th in that order. > > > i.e. if 12th is stronger then there will be moksha.. this should > > > be 12th from Karakamsa. 7th from Lagna shows desires. 6th shows > > > punishment and 8th shows debt. > > > > > > Hence all these houses should first be taken into consideration, > > > to see whether there will be rebirth or not. > > > > > > The temporary abode after death will be seen from the grahas in > > > the various houses. After this there is rebirth again. Parasara > > > and Varahimihira have described the abodes connected with the > > > grahas in these houses. > > > > > > The Mrityu Kundali, or the time when the body dies, is supposed > > > to show some more details as well. > > > > > > But without a thorough understanding of Reincarnation we cannot > > > dwelve into this area. > > > > > > I recommend studying the past birth. Theres some work to be done > > > using Adhana(Conception) charts, to see the entry of the soul > > > into this birth, which is actually when the sperm leaves the > > > penis, and not the actual impregnation itself. > > > > > > Jaimini gives extensive information about this concept. > > > Best wishes, Visti. > > > > > > > Dear Gurus and list members, > > > > > > > > The late B.V. Raman expressed that 'free will always be a part > > > of ones karma' - i.e. the "portion" or size of the free will > > > depend on what ones karma will allow. > > > > > > > > There are three issues here: > > > > > > > > 1. We know that the 1st house is our current incarnation, the > > > 9th is our previous one and the 5th house will reveal our next. > > > In this context I will be very grateful if any of the > > > knowledgeable gurus will care to explain HOW to use these houses > > > (should they be treated as lagna for this particular issues ? > > > occupying planets, aspects etc). > > > > > > > > 2. Furthermore, in some unpublished material I found a > > > statement that indicates the DWADASAMSA to be another vital key > > > for studying (re)incarnation from. The writer does not mention > > > HOW to do that. > > > > Anyone of the gurus care to provide some explanation ? > > > > > > > > 3. I feel that the above could also explain why a particular > > > child (soul) is choosing a particular parent (family / nation / > > > country) to be born into as well as many other details regarding > > > our parents. I am not sure how and need to be enlightened from > > > the more knowledgeable. > > > > > > > > I feel that many people in the west do not "buy" the concept > > > of karma and reject any attempt for further explanation. This > > > inspite of the fact that their own reality proves otherwise. > > > > Therefore it is important to extend the knowledge of "karma > > > and free will" in chart interpretation. Both for experimenting > > > the theory and for being able to provide better explanation to > > > those who seek answers. > > > > Without the knowledge we get no where ... > > > > > > > > Kind regards > > > > > > > > Jay Weiss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-@e... > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted May 4, 2002 Report Share Posted May 4, 2002 Om Gurave Namah, Dear Visti, Yes, I missed the longevity from 8th house!. I was more thinking about other bad stuff in the 8th. I still need to learn a lot about the 8th house and other houses. About the 8th from AL my understanding was based on the Gurudeva's AL Cassette where he mentions that benifics need to be in 8th from AL and malefics can cause poverty (Kemadruma Yoga). I have Rahu+Mars in 8th from AL aspected by Moon(causing the yoga to fructify). I had bad financial troubles in Rahu/Moon Dasa/Antar(From moon). Your moon in the 8th house is a benific and hence would not possibly apply to you and acts as enhancing you image. Regarding the similarities between the 12th houses from various reference i.e. AL,Karakamasa,Lagna etc is that it acts as Vyaya or Undoer of AL,Karakamsa,,Lagna etc. like for AL it will try to damage the image in the society so it's prefered to have benifics in 12th from AL, similary 12th from Lagna(Body and Dharma trik) would do loss to body and fortune, and 12th from AK would undo the individual atma conception and merge it to Supreme soul (Moksha). So the undoing(or taking away) the indications of the 2nd from 12th is the similarity, This is my understanding, Please correct me if there are any mistakes. Warm Regards, S.Prabhakaran - Visti Larsen vedic astrology Saturday, May 04, 2002 5:21 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: 12th house. Vyam Vysadevaya Namah -------------------- Dear Sanjay, 8th house is an often misunderstood house. 8th house controls your longevity, significator being Saturn. Mars is the killer in such a case. 8th from Arudha Lagna shows those who promote ones image, and gives it longevety. Being a secret house, these people doso secretly. I have Moon in 8th from my Arudha Lagna.. My mother and/or such people, must talk alot about me when i'm not around and promote my image. Regarding your posts about 12th house, there must be some similarity between the 12th from AL/Lagna/Karakamsa, and other houses.. You have given vividly different indications of each, what are the similarities? Best wishes, Visti. - sanjayprabhakaran vedic astrology Friday, May 03, 2002 3:42 PM [vedic astrology] Re: 12th house. Om Shree Gurave Namah,Dear Hari,8th is house of death,disaster, misfortune etc. Malefics in 8th from AL aspect your 2nd from AL which is your pocket and hence may be inimical to you. 8th could give you hidden wealth or inheritance as it is 7th from 2nd. 8th could give you secret support to aquire your 'kingdom' 10th Like Shree Ram got support of Veebhishana due to argala of Aqurius on his 10th Aries. But as far as my understanding is 8th is not directly related to secret enemies. It should be 12th as it's 7th(Partners) from 6th(Enemies). The perception of a person being our enemy or not is due to our involvement with Maaya (AL) hence should be seen from Arudha Lagna(AL). From Lagna which is a satya peetha there are no enemies in natal jyataka.RegardsS.PrabhakaranHare Ram Krishna,Jaya Jagannatha.vedic astrology, "Katti Narahari" <katti_narahari@h...> wrote:> Om Guruave Namah> > Dear Sanjayprabhakaran,> > You have explained this quite well. Some day i hope to hear gurudev sanjay's audio tapes. > > You have mentioned that 12th from AL would indicate sectet enemies. I may be wrong but isnt 8th from AL the place for secret enemies?> > Thanks and Regards> > Hari> - > sanjayprabhakaran > vedic astrology > Friday, May 03, 2002 1:54 AM> [vedic astrology] 12th house.> > > Om Gurave Namah,> Dear Chandan,> The 12th(Vyaya) house stands for loss and self undoing from house of > reference. 12th from Lagna(Physical self) is bad for individual and > hence a duhstana house.> But 12th from atmakaraka in matters of dharma is seen from navamsa > chart. When atma looses it's sense of individuality from paramatma it > attains moksha. Also Siddhamsa D24 which is a factor of 12 gives > various knowledge and siddhis.> Arudha of 12th house from moon would indicate the attachment of mind > to individual feeling of self and can indicate after death conditions> (Refer Pt. Sanjay Rath Arudha Cassettes). > 12th from Arudha lagna can indicate whom the person likes a very much > and spends on. The 12th from arudha lagna could also indicate secret > enemies or a person who creates losses without the individuals > knowledge. > So for material,mind and physical matters attachment and losses are > bad. Whereas when seen from Atma loss of attacment to individuality > is good and one is realised.> Hope this helps you, Learned members can please correct any mistakes.> > Regards> S.Prabhakaran> > --- In vedic astrology, "chandan_astro" <chandan_astro> > wrote:> > Dear jotish friends,> > One question really puzzles me--if 12th house is for mokha and that > > is the best thing that can happen to a human being then why it has > > been called dusthan (bad house). > > Chandan> > > > --- In vedic astrology, Visti Larsen <vishnu@l...> wrote:> > > Vyam Vysadevaya Namah> > > ------------------------> > > Dear Jay,> > > Parasara and Varahamihira have given some clues to seeing the > > > next birth. The most important point is that rebirth is due to > > > desire, and if there is desire one cannot escape the cycle of > > > rebirth.> > > > > > Hence we must reckon the 7th house to see whether this can be.> > > Parasara actually adds; 12th, 7th, 6th and 8th in that order. > > > i.e. if 12th is stronger then there will be moksha.. this should > > > be 12th from Karakamsa. 7th from Lagna shows desires. 6th shows > > > punishment and 8th shows debt.> > > > > > Hence all these houses should first be taken into consideration, > > > to see whether there will be rebirth or not.> > > > > > The temporary abode after death will be seen from the grahas in > > > the various houses. After this there is rebirth again. Parasara > > > and Varahimihira have described the abodes connected with the > > > grahas in these houses.> > > > > > The Mrityu Kundali, or the time when the body dies, is supposed > > > to show some more details as well.> > > > > > But without a thorough understanding of Reincarnation we cannot > > > dwelve into this area.> > > > > > I recommend studying the past birth. Theres some work to be done > > > using Adhana(Conception) charts, to see the entry of the soul > > > into this birth, which is actually when the sperm leaves the > > > penis, and not the actual impregnation itself.> > > > > > Jaimini gives extensive information about this concept.> > > Best wishes, Visti.> > > > > > > Dear Gurus and list members,> > > > > > > > The late B.V. Raman expressed that 'free will always be a part > > > of ones karma' - i.e. the "portion" or size of the free will > > > depend on what ones karma will allow.> > > > > > > > There are three issues here:> > > > > > > > 1. We know that the 1st house is our current incarnation, the > > > 9th is our previous one and the 5th house will reveal our next. > > > In this context I will be very grateful if any of the > > > knowledgeable gurus will care to explain HOW to use these houses > > > (should they be treated as lagna for this particular issues ? > > > occupying planets, aspects etc). > > > > > > > > 2. Furthermore, in some unpublished material I found a > > > statement that indicates the DWADASAMSA to be another vital key > > > for studying (re)incarnation from. The writer does not mention > > > HOW to do that. > > > > Anyone of the gurus care to provide some explanation ?> > > > > > > > 3. I feel that the above could also explain why a particular > > > child (soul) is choosing a particular parent (family / nation / > > > country) to be born into as well as many other details regarding > > > our parents. I am not sure how and need to be enlightened from > > > the more knowledgeable.> > > > > > > > I feel that many people in the west do not "buy" the concept > > > of karma and reject any attempt for further explanation. This > > > inspite of the fact that their own reality proves otherwise. > > > > Therefore it is important to extend the knowledge of "karma > > > and free will" in chart interpretation. Both for experimenting > > > the theory and for being able to provide better explanation to > > > those who seek answers.> > > > Without the knowledge we get no where ...> > > > > > > > Kind regards> > > > > > > > Jay Weiss> > > > > > > > > > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2002 Report Share Posted May 5, 2002 Vyam Vysadevaya Namah ------------------- Dear Sanjay, Malefics in the 12th from AL is far better than benefics. So you may wanto rethink this. Best wishes, Visti. - Sanjay Prabhakaran vedic astrology Sunday, May 05, 2002 4:20 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: 12th house. Om Gurave Namah, Dear Visti, Yes, I missed the longevity from 8th house!. I was more thinking about other bad stuff in the 8th. I still need to learn a lot about the 8th house and other houses. About the 8th from AL my understanding was based on the Gurudeva's AL Cassette where he mentions that benifics need to be in 8th from AL and malefics can cause poverty (Kemadruma Yoga). I have Rahu+Mars in 8th from AL aspected by Moon(causing the yoga to fructify). I had bad financial troubles in Rahu/Moon Dasa/Antar(From moon). Your moon in the 8th house is a benific and hence would not possibly apply to you and acts as enhancing you image. Regarding the similarities between the 12th houses from various reference i.e. AL,Karakamasa,Lagna etc is that it acts as Vyaya or Undoer of AL,Karakamsa,,Lagna etc. like for AL it will try to damage the image in the society so it's prefered to have benifics in 12th from AL, similary 12th from Lagna(Body and Dharma trik) would do loss to body and fortune, and 12th from AK would undo the individual atma conception and merge it to Supreme soul (Moksha). So the undoing(or taking away) the indications of the 2nd from 12th is the similarity, This is my understanding, Please correct me if there are any mistakes. Warm Regards, S.Prabhakaran - Visti Larsen vedic astrology Saturday, May 04, 2002 5:21 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: 12th house. Vyam Vysadevaya Namah -------------------- Dear Sanjay, 8th house is an often misunderstood house. 8th house controls your longevity, significator being Saturn. Mars is the killer in such a case. 8th from Arudha Lagna shows those who promote ones image, and gives it longevety. Being a secret house, these people doso secretly. I have Moon in 8th from my Arudha Lagna.. My mother and/or such people, must talk alot about me when i'm not around and promote my image. Regarding your posts about 12th house, there must be some similarity between the 12th from AL/Lagna/Karakamsa, and other houses.. You have given vividly different indications of each, what are the similarities? Best wishes, Visti. - sanjayprabhakaran vedic astrology Friday, May 03, 2002 3:42 PM [vedic astrology] Re: 12th house. Om Shree Gurave Namah,Dear Hari,8th is house of death,disaster, misfortune etc. Malefics in 8th from AL aspect your 2nd from AL which is your pocket and hence may be inimical to you. 8th could give you hidden wealth or inheritance as it is 7th from 2nd. 8th could give you secret support to aquire your 'kingdom' 10th Like Shree Ram got support of Veebhishana due to argala of Aqurius on his 10th Aries. But as far as my understanding is 8th is not directly related to secret enemies. It should be 12th as it's 7th(Partners) from 6th(Enemies). The perception of a person being our enemy or not is due to our involvement with Maaya (AL) hence should be seen from Arudha Lagna(AL). From Lagna which is a satya peetha there are no enemies in natal jyataka.RegardsS.PrabhakaranHare Ram Krishna,Jaya Jagannatha.vedic astrology, "Katti Narahari" <katti_narahari@h...> wrote:> Om Guruave Namah> > Dear Sanjayprabhakaran,> > You have explained this quite well. Some day i hope to hear gurudev sanjay's audio tapes. > > You have mentioned that 12th from AL would indicate sectet enemies. I may be wrong but isnt 8th from AL the place for secret enemies?> > Thanks and Regards> > Hari> - > sanjayprabhakaran > vedic astrology > Friday, May 03, 2002 1:54 AM> [vedic astrology] 12th house.> > > Om Gurave Namah,> Dear Chandan,> The 12th(Vyaya) house stands for loss and self undoing from house of > reference. 12th from Lagna(Physical self) is bad for individual and > hence a duhstana house.> But 12th from atmakaraka in matters of dharma is seen from navamsa > chart. When atma looses it's sense of individuality from paramatma it > attains moksha. Also Siddhamsa D24 which is a factor of 12 gives > various knowledge and siddhis.> Arudha of 12th house from moon would indicate the attachment of mind > to individual feeling of self and can indicate after death conditions> (Refer Pt. Sanjay Rath Arudha Cassettes). > 12th from Arudha lagna can indicate whom the person likes a very much > and spends on. The 12th from arudha lagna could also indicate secret > enemies or a person who creates losses without the individuals > knowledge. > So for material,mind and physical matters attachment and losses are > bad. Whereas when seen from Atma loss of attacment to individuality > is good and one is realised.> Hope this helps you, Learned members can please correct any mistakes.> > Regards> S.Prabhakaran> > --- In vedic astrology, "chandan_astro" <chandan_astro> > wrote:> > Dear jotish friends,> > One question really puzzles me--if 12th house is for mokha and that > > is the best thing that can happen to a human being then why it has > > been called dusthan (bad house). > > Chandan> > > > --- In vedic astrology, Visti Larsen <vishnu@l...> wrote:> > > Vyam Vysadevaya Namah> > > ------------------------> > > Dear Jay,> > > Parasara and Varahamihira have given some clues to seeing the > > > next birth. The most important point is that rebirth is due to > > > desire, and if there is desire one cannot escape the cycle of > > > rebirth.> > > > > > Hence we must reckon the 7th house to see whether this can be.> > > Parasara actually adds; 12th, 7th, 6th and 8th in that order. > > > i.e. if 12th is stronger then there will be moksha.. this should > > > be 12th from Karakamsa. 7th from Lagna shows desires. 6th shows > > > punishment and 8th shows debt.> > > > > > Hence all these houses should first be taken into consideration, > > > to see whether there will be rebirth or not.> > > > > > The temporary abode after death will be seen from the grahas in > > > the various houses. After this there is rebirth again. Parasara > > > and Varahimihira have described the abodes connected with the > > > grahas in these houses.> > > > > > The Mrityu Kundali, or the time when the body dies, is supposed > > > to show some more details as well.> > > > > > But without a thorough understanding of Reincarnation we cannot > > > dwelve into this area.> > > > > > I recommend studying the past birth. Theres some work to be done > > > using Adhana(Conception) charts, to see the entry of the soul > > > into this birth, which is actually when the sperm leaves the > > > penis, and not the actual impregnation itself.> > > > > > Jaimini gives extensive information about this concept.> > > Best wishes, Visti.> > > > > > > Dear Gurus and list members,> > > > > > > > The late B.V. Raman expressed that 'free will always be a part > > > of ones karma' - i.e. the "portion" or size of the free will > > > depend on what ones karma will allow.> > > > > > > > There are three issues here:> > > > > > > > 1. We know that the 1st house is our current incarnation, the > > > 9th is our previous one and the 5th house will reveal our next. > > > In this context I will be very grateful if any of the > > > knowledgeable gurus will care to explain HOW to use these houses > > > (should they be treated as lagna for this particular issues ? > > > occupying planets, aspects etc). > > > > > > > > 2. Furthermore, in some unpublished material I found a > > > statement that indicates the DWADASAMSA to be another vital key > > > for studying (re)incarnation from. The writer does not mention > > > HOW to do that. > > > > Anyone of the gurus care to provide some explanation ?> > > > > > > > 3. I feel that the above could also explain why a particular > > > child (soul) is choosing a particular parent (family / nation / > > > country) to be born into as well as many other details regarding > > > our parents. I am not sure how and need to be enlightened from > > > the more knowledgeable.> > > > > > > > I feel that many people in the west do not "buy" the concept > > > of karma and reject any attempt for further explanation. This > > > inspite of the fact that their own reality proves otherwise. > > > > Therefore it is important to extend the knowledge of "karma > > > and free will" in chart interpretation. Both for experimenting > > > the theory and for being able to provide better explanation to > > > those who seek answers.> > > > Without the knowledge we get no where ...> > > > > > > > Kind regards> > > > > > > > Jay Weiss> > > > > > > > > > > >> Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2002 Report Share Posted May 5, 2002 Hi to all in this thread, Further to complicate I have a natural benefic Ju which is a functional malefic for my ascendant(Ta Asc), is in 8th from Al , aspected by another natural malefic Su, Me from Sg, and FM moon from ge, and another malefic Ma from Pi. 8th from AL is in my 5th house (which is vi). How would you interpret this? What are the effects of FM as compared to a Natural malefic? Brahma >Sanjay Prabhakaran <sprabhakaran >vedic astrology >vedic astrology >Re: [vedic astrology] Re: 12th house. >Sat, 04 May 2002 22:20:11 -0400 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from [66.218.66.64] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >MHotMailBE9E805D008B40042A1842DA42406C67375; Sun, 05 May 2002 06:41:10 >-0700 >Received: from [66.218.67.199] by n1.grp.scd. with NNFMP; 05 May >2002 13:37:32 -0000 >Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 5 May 2002 13:37:31 -0000 >Received: (qmail 87973 invoked from network); 5 May 2002 13:37:30 -0000 >Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd. with QMQP; >5 May 2002 13:37:30 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO mtaout04) (24.153.64.2) by >mta2.grp.scd. with SMTP; 5 May 2002 13:37:30 -0000 >Received: from Sanjay (bgp451062bgs.avenel01.nj.comcast.net [68.37.43.218]) >by mtaout04.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.3 (built >Apr 8 2002)) with SMTP id <0GVN004664IGQN for >vedic astrology; Sun, 05 May 2002 09:37:30 -0400 (EDT) >From sentto-1229044-11193-1020605852-lbrahma Sun, 05 May 2002 06:42:42 >-0700 >X-eGroups-Return: >sentto-1229044-11193-1020605852-lbrahma=hotmail.com >X-Sender: sanjayp >X-Apparently-vedic astrology >Message-id: <000301c1f43a$193097a0$0200fea9@Sanjay> >X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 >X-Priority: 3 >X-MSMail-priority: Normal >References: <aau43r+g1o5 (AT) eGroups (DOT) com> ><00b201c1f34d$1a704040$0301a8c0@kingcohones> >X-eGroups-Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjayp >X--Profile: sanjayprabhakaran >Mailing-List: list vedic astrology; contact >vedic astrology-owner >Delivered-mailing list vedic astrology >Precedence: bulk >List-Un: <vedic astrology> > >Om Gurave Namah, >Dear Visti, > Yes, I missed the longevity from 8th house!. I was more thinking about >other bad stuff in the 8th. I still need to learn a lot about the 8th house >and other houses. >About the 8th from AL my understanding was based on the Gurudeva's AL >Cassette where he mentions that benifics need to be in 8th from AL and >malefics can cause poverty (Kemadruma Yoga). I have Rahu+Mars in 8th from >AL aspected by Moon(causing the yoga to fructify). I had bad financial >troubles in Rahu/Moon Dasa/Antar(From moon). Your moon in the 8th house is >a benific and hence would not possibly apply to you and acts as enhancing >you image. >Regarding the similarities between the 12th houses from various reference >i.e. AL,Karakamasa,Lagna etc is that it acts as Vyaya or Undoer of >AL,Karakamsa,,Lagna etc. like for AL it will try to damage the image in the >society so it's prefered to have benifics in 12th from AL, similary 12th >from Lagna(Body and Dharma trik) would do loss to body and fortune, and >12th from AK would undo the individual atma conception and merge it to >Supreme soul (Moksha). So the undoing(or taking away) the indications of >the 2nd from 12th is the similarity, >This is my understanding, Please correct me if there are any mistakes. >Warm Regards, >S.Prabhakaran > > > - > Visti Larsen > vedic astrology > Saturday, May 04, 2002 5:21 AM > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: 12th house. > > > Vyam Vysadevaya Namah > -------------------- > Dear Sanjay, > 8th house is an often misunderstood house. > 8th house controls your longevity, significator being Saturn. Mars is >the killer in such a case. > > 8th from Arudha Lagna shows those who promote ones image, and gives it >longevety. Being a secret house, these people doso secretly. I have Moon in >8th from my Arudha Lagna.. My mother and/or such people, must talk alot >about me when i'm not around and promote my image. > > Regarding your posts about 12th house, there must be some similarity >between the 12th from AL/Lagna/Karakamsa, and other houses.. You have given >vividly different indications of each, what are the similarities? > > Best wishes, Visti. > - > sanjayprabhakaran > vedic astrology > Friday, May 03, 2002 3:42 PM > [vedic astrology] Re: 12th house. > > > Om Shree Gurave Namah, > Dear Hari, > 8th is house of death,disaster, misfortune etc. Malefics in 8th from > AL aspect your 2nd from AL which is your pocket and hence may be > inimical to you. 8th could give you hidden wealth or inheritance as > it is 7th from 2nd. 8th could give you secret support to aquire > your 'kingdom' 10th Like Shree Ram got support of Veebhishana due to > argala of Aqurius on his 10th Aries. But as far as my understanding > is 8th is not directly related to secret enemies. It should be 12th > as it's 7th(Partners) from 6th(Enemies). The perception of a person > being our enemy or not is due to our involvement with Maaya (AL) > hence should be seen from Arudha Lagna(AL). From Lagna which is a > satya peetha there are no enemies in natal jyataka. > Regards > S.Prabhakaran > Hare Ram Krishna, > Jaya Jagannatha. > > > vedic astrology, "Katti Narahari" <katti_narahari@h...> > wrote: > > Om Guruave Namah > > > > Dear Sanjayprabhakaran, > > > > You have explained this quite well. Some day i hope to hear gurudev > sanjay's audio tapes. > > > > You have mentioned that 12th from AL would indicate sectet enemies. > I may be wrong but isnt 8th from AL the place for secret enemies? > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > Hari > > - > > sanjayprabhakaran > > vedic astrology > > Friday, May 03, 2002 1:54 AM > > [vedic astrology] 12th house. > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah, > > Dear Chandan, > > The 12th(Vyaya) house stands for loss and self undoing from house > of > > reference. 12th from Lagna(Physical self) is bad for individual > and > > hence a duhstana house. > > But 12th from atmakaraka in matters of dharma is seen from > navamsa > > chart. When atma looses it's sense of individuality from > paramatma it > > attains moksha. Also Siddhamsa D24 which is a factor of 12 gives > > various knowledge and siddhis. > > Arudha of 12th house from moon would indicate the attachment of > mind > > to individual feeling of self and can indicate after death > conditions > > (Refer Pt. Sanjay Rath Arudha Cassettes). > > 12th from Arudha lagna can indicate whom the person likes a very > much > > and spends on. The 12th from arudha lagna could also indicate > secret > > enemies or a person who creates losses without the individuals > > knowledge. > > So for material,mind and physical matters attachment and losses > are > > bad. Whereas when seen from Atma loss of attacment to > individuality > > is good and one is realised. > > Hope this helps you, Learned members can please correct any > mistakes. > > > > Regards > > S.Prabhakaran > > > > vedic astrology, "chandan_astro" <chandan_astro> > > wrote: > > > Dear jotish friends, > > > One question really puzzles me--if 12th house is for mokha and > that > > > is the best thing that can happen to a human being then why it > has > > > been called dusthan (bad house). > > > Chandan > > > > > > vedic astrology, Visti Larsen <vishnu@l...> wrote: > > > > Vyam Vysadevaya Namah > > > > ------------------------ > > > > Dear Jay, > > > > Parasara and Varahamihira have given some clues to seeing the > > > > next birth. The most important point is that rebirth is due > to > > > > desire, and if there is desire one cannot escape the cycle of > > > > rebirth. > > > > > > > > Hence we must reckon the 7th house to see whether this can be. > > > > Parasara actually adds; 12th, 7th, 6th and 8th in that order. > > > > i.e. if 12th is stronger then there will be moksha.. this > should > > > > be 12th from Karakamsa. 7th from Lagna shows desires. 6th > shows > > > > punishment and 8th shows debt. > > > > > > > > Hence all these houses should first be taken into > consideration, > > > > to see whether there will be rebirth or not. > > > > > > > > The temporary abode after death will be seen from the grahas > in > > > > the various houses. After this there is rebirth again. > Parasara > > > > and Varahimihira have described the abodes connected with the > > > > grahas in these houses. > > > > > > > > The Mrityu Kundali, or the time when the body dies, is > supposed > > > > to show some more details as well. > > > > > > > > But without a thorough understanding of Reincarnation we > cannot > > > > dwelve into this area. > > > > > > > > I recommend studying the past birth. Theres some work to be > done > > > > using Adhana(Conception) charts, to see the entry of the soul > > > > into this birth, which is actually when the sperm leaves the > > > > penis, and not the actual impregnation itself. > > > > > > > > Jaimini gives extensive information about this concept. > > > > Best wishes, Visti. > > > > > > > > > Dear Gurus and list members, > > > > > > > > > > The late B.V. Raman expressed that 'free will always be a > part > > > > of ones karma' - i.e. the "portion" or size of the free will > > > > depend on what ones karma will allow. > > > > > > > > > > There are three issues here: > > > > > > > > > > 1. We know that the 1st house is our current incarnation, > the > > > > 9th is our previous one and the 5th house will reveal our > next. > > > > In this context I will be very grateful if any of the > > > > knowledgeable gurus will care to explain HOW to use these > houses > > > > (should they be treated as lagna for this particular > issues ? > > > > occupying planets, aspects etc). > > > > > > > > > > 2. Furthermore, in some unpublished material I found a > > > > statement that indicates the DWADASAMSA to be another vital > key > > > > for studying (re)incarnation from. The writer does not > mention > > > > HOW to do that. > > > > > Anyone of the gurus care to provide some explanation ? > > > > > > > > > > 3. I feel that the above could also explain why a > particular > > > > child (soul) is choosing a particular parent (family / > nation / > > > > country) to be born into as well as many other details > regarding > > > > our parents. I am not sure how and need to be enlightened > from > > > > the more knowledgeable. > > > > > > > > > > I feel that many people in the west do not "buy" the > concept > > > > of karma and reject any attempt for further explanation. This > > > > inspite of the fact that their own reality proves otherwise. > > > > > Therefore it is important to extend the knowledge of "karma > > > > and free will" in chart interpretation. Both for > experimenting > > > > the theory and for being able to provide better explanation > to > > > > those who seek answers. > > > > > Without the knowledge we get no where ... > > > > > > > > > > Kind regards > > > > > > > > > > Jay Weiss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and with best regards L Brahma _______________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2002 Report Share Posted May 6, 2002 JAYA JAGANNATHA! Dear Lakshman, Namaste. > > Hi to all in this thread, > Further to complicate I have a natural benefic Ju which is a functional > malefic for my ascendant(Ta Asc), is in 8th from Al , aspected by another > natural malefic Su, Me from Sg, and FM moon from ge, and another malefic Ma > from Pi. > 8th from AL is in my 5th house (which is vi). > > How would you interpret this? The 8th from AL, if stringer than the 3rd from AL, indicates the place, cause and circumstances of death. Jupiter gives natural death from a Kapha-related disease, and it will not be very painful, plus the native will get to kow about time of death prior to it. It may also indicate that the native will be in a conscious state at the time of death. Ath the same time Jupiter being in the 12th from Lagna is a good sign for next birth, which may be in a pious brahmin family or in higher planets. It amslo indicates inclinatio for charity. Malefic aspects may indicate that there are other unfavourable circumstances which would urge you not to give charity, but if Jupiter is somehow associated with the Atmakaraka, you will still give. > What are the effects of FM as compared to a Natural malefic? A natural benefic is a like a pious man, while a natural malefic is like a dacoit. When a natural benefic like the Moon becomes functionally malefic, then it is like when a sadhu gets angry and curses you. You will still get the benefit, but through suffering. Otherwise the Moon is very mild, so even being 3rd lord, will not cause much trouble to you, especially being in 12th from her own house, you will lose the results given by her. May be bad for younger brothers however, losses fro them or you losing them may be aindicated. Also Moon in 2nd will not become a strong Maraka, because of her mild nature. Yours, Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer gauranga Jyotish Remedies: WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET Phone:+36-309-140-839 > Brahma > > >Sanjay Prabhakaran <sprabhakaran > >vedic astrology > >vedic astrology > >Re: [vedic astrology] Re: 12th house. > >Sat, 04 May 2002 22:20:11 -0400 > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >Received: from [66.218.66.64] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id > >MHotMailBE9E805D008B40042A1842DA42406C67375; Sun, 05 May 2002 06:41:10 > >-0700 > >Received: from [66.218.67.199] by n1.grp.scd. with NNFMP; 05 May > >2002 13:37:32 -0000 > >Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 5 May 2002 13:37:31 -0000 > >Received: (qmail 87973 invoked from network); 5 May 2002 13:37:30 -0000 > >Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd. with QMQP; > >5 May 2002 13:37:30 -0000 > >Received: from unknown (HELO mtaout04) (24.153.64.2) by > >mta2.grp.scd. with SMTP; 5 May 2002 13:37:30 -0000 > >Received: from Sanjay (bgp451062bgs.avenel01.nj.comcast.net [68.37.43.218]) > >by mtaout04.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.3 (built > >Apr 8 2002)) with SMTP id <0GVN004664IGQN for > >vedic astrology; Sun, 05 May 2002 09:37:30 -0400 (EDT) > >From sentto-1229044-11193-1020605852-lbrahma Sun, 05 May 2002 06:42:42 > >-0700 > >X-eGroups-Return: > >sentto-1229044-11193-1020605852-lbrahma=hotmail.com m > >X-Sender: sanjayp > >X-Apparently-vedic astrology > >Message-id: <000301c1f43a$193097a0$0200fea9@Sanjay> > >X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 > >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 > >X-Priority: 3 > >X-MSMail-priority: Normal > >References: <aau43r+g1o5 (AT) eGroups (DOT) com> > ><00b201c1f34d$1a704040$0301a8c0@kingcohones> > >X-eGroups-Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjayp > >X--Profile: sanjayprabhakaran > >Mailing-List: list vedic astrology; contact > >vedic astrology-owner > >Delivered-mailing list vedic astrology > >Precedence: bulk > >List-Un: <vedic astrology> > > > >Om Gurave Namah, > >Dear Visti, > > Yes, I missed the longevity from 8th house!. I was more thinking about > >other bad stuff in the 8th. I still need to learn a lot about the 8th house > >and other houses. > >About the 8th from AL my understanding was based on the Gurudeva's AL > >Cassette where he mentions that benifics need to be in 8th from AL and > >malefics can cause poverty (Kemadruma Yoga). I have Rahu+Mars in 8th from > >AL aspected by Moon(causing the yoga to fructify). I had bad financial > >troubles in Rahu/Moon Dasa/Antar(From moon). Your moon in the 8th house is > >a benific and hence would not possibly apply to you and acts as enhancing > >you image. > >Regarding the similarities between the 12th houses from various reference > >i.e. AL,Karakamasa,Lagna etc is that it acts as Vyaya or Undoer of > >AL,Karakamsa,,Lagna etc. like for AL it will try to damage the image in the > >society so it's prefered to have benifics in 12th from AL, similary 12th > >from Lagna(Body and Dharma trik) would do loss to body and fortune, and > >12th from AK would undo the individual atma conception and merge it to > >Supreme soul (Moksha). So the undoing(or taking away) the indications of > >the 2nd from 12th is the similarity, > >This is my understanding, Please correct me if there are any mistakes. > >Warm Regards, > >S.Prabhakaran > > > > > > - > > Visti Larsen > > vedic astrology > > Saturday, May 04, 2002 5:21 AM > > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: 12th house. > > > > > > Vyam Vysadevaya Namah > > -------------------- > > Dear Sanjay, > > 8th house is an often misunderstood house. > > 8th house controls your longevity, significator being Saturn. Mars is > >the killer in such a case. > > > > 8th from Arudha Lagna shows those who promote ones image, and gives it > >longevety. Being a secret house, these people doso secretly. I have Moon in > >8th from my Arudha Lagna.. My mother and/or such people, must talk alot > >about me when i'm not around and promote my image. > > > > Regarding your posts about 12th house, there must be some similarity > >between the 12th from AL/Lagna/Karakamsa, and other houses.. You have given > >vividly different indications of each, what are the similarities? > > > > Best wishes, Visti. > > - > > sanjayprabhakaran > > vedic astrology > > Friday, May 03, 2002 3:42 PM > > [vedic astrology] Re: 12th house. > > > > > > Om Shree Gurave Namah, > > Dear Hari, > > 8th is house of death,disaster, misfortune etc. Malefics in 8th from > > AL aspect your 2nd from AL which is your pocket and hence may be > > inimical to you. 8th could give you hidden wealth or inheritance as > > it is 7th from 2nd. 8th could give you secret support to aquire > > your 'kingdom' 10th Like Shree Ram got support of Veebhishana due to > > argala of Aqurius on his 10th Aries. But as far as my understanding > > is 8th is not directly related to secret enemies. It should be 12th > > as it's 7th(Partners) from 6th(Enemies). The perception of a person > > being our enemy or not is due to our involvement with Maaya (AL) > > hence should be seen from Arudha Lagna(AL). From Lagna which is a > > satya peetha there are no enemies in natal jyataka. > > Regards > > S.Prabhakaran > > Hare Ram Krishna, > > Jaya Jagannatha. > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Katti Narahari" <katti_narahari@h...> > > wrote: > > > Om Guruave Namah > > > > > > Dear Sanjayprabhakaran, > > > > > > You have explained this quite well. Some day i hope to hear gurudev > > sanjay's audio tapes. > > > > > > You have mentioned that 12th from AL would indicate sectet enemies. > > I may be wrong but isnt 8th from AL the place for secret enemies? > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > > Hari > > > - > > > sanjayprabhakaran > > > vedic astrology > > > Friday, May 03, 2002 1:54 AM > > > [vedic astrology] 12th house. > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah, > > > Dear Chandan, > > > The 12th(Vyaya) house stands for loss and self undoing from house > > of > > > reference. 12th from Lagna(Physical self) is bad for individual > > and > > > hence a duhstana house. > > > But 12th from atmakaraka in matters of dharma is seen from > > navamsa > > > chart. When atma looses it's sense of individuality from > > paramatma it > > > attains moksha. Also Siddhamsa D24 which is a factor of 12 gives > > > various knowledge and siddhis. > > > Arudha of 12th house from moon would indicate the attachment of > > mind > > > to individual feeling of self and can indicate after death > > conditions > > > (Refer Pt. Sanjay Rath Arudha Cassettes). > > > 12th from Arudha lagna can indicate whom the person likes a very > > much > > > and spends on. The 12th from arudha lagna could also indicate > > secret > > > enemies or a person who creates losses without the individuals > > > knowledge. > > > So for material,mind and physical matters attachment and losses > > are > > > bad. Whereas when seen from Atma loss of attacment to > > individuality > > > is good and one is realised. > > > Hope this helps you, Learned members can please correct any > > mistakes. > > > > > > Regards > > > S.Prabhakaran > > > > > > vedic astrology, "chandan_astro" <chandan_astro> > > > wrote: > > > > Dear jotish friends, > > > > One question really puzzles me--if 12th house is for mokha and > > that > > > > is the best thing that can happen to a human being then why it > > has > > > > been called dusthan (bad house). > > > > Chandan > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, Visti Larsen <vishnu@l...> wrote: > > > > > Vyam Vysadevaya Namah > > > > > ------------------------ > > > > > Dear Jay, > > > > > Parasara and Varahamihira have given some clues to seeing the > > > > > next birth. The most important point is that rebirth is due > > to > > > > > desire, and if there is desire one cannot escape the cycle of > > > > > rebirth. > > > > > > > > > > Hence we must reckon the 7th house to see whether this can be. > > > > > Parasara actually adds; 12th, 7th, 6th and 8th in that order. > > > > > i.e. if 12th is stronger then there will be moksha.. this > > should > > > > > be 12th from Karakamsa. 7th from Lagna shows desires. 6th > > shows > > > > > punishment and 8th shows debt. > > > > > > > > > > Hence all these houses should first be taken into > > consideration, > > > > > to see whether there will be rebirth or not. > > > > > > > > > > The temporary abode after death will be seen from the grahas > > in > > > > > the various houses. After this there is rebirth again. > > Parasara > > > > > and Varahimihira have described the abodes connected with the > > > > > grahas in these houses. > > > > > > > > > > The Mrityu Kundali, or the time when the body dies, is > > supposed > > > > > to show some more details as well. > > > > > > > > > > But without a thorough understanding of Reincarnation we > > cannot > > > > > dwelve into this area. > > > > > > > > > > I recommend studying the past birth. Theres some work to be > > done > > > > > using Adhana(Conception) charts, to see the entry of the soul > > > > > into this birth, which is actually when the sperm leaves the > > > > > penis, and not the actual impregnation itself. > > > > > > > > > > Jaimini gives extensive information about this concept. > > > > > Best wishes, Visti. > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gurus and list members, > > > > > > > > > > > > The late B.V. Raman expressed that 'free will always be a > > part > > > > > of ones karma' - i.e. the "portion" or size of the free will > > > > > depend on what ones karma will allow. > > > > > > > > > > > > There are three issues here: > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. We know that the 1st house is our current incarnation, > > the > > > > > 9th is our previous one and the 5th house will reveal our > > next. > > > > > In this context I will be very grateful if any of the > > > > > knowledgeable gurus will care to explain HOW to use these > > houses > > > > > (should they be treated as lagna for this particular > > issues ? > > > > > occupying planets, aspects etc). > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Furthermore, in some unpublished material I found a > > > > > statement that indicates the DWADASAMSA to be another vital > > key > > > > > for studying (re)incarnation from. The writer does not > > mention > > > > > HOW to do that. > > > > > > Anyone of the gurus care to provide some explanation ? > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. I feel that the above could also explain why a > > particular > > > > > child (soul) is choosing a particular parent (family / > > nation / > > > > > country) to be born into as well as many other details > > regarding > > > > > our parents. I am not sure how and need to be enlightened > > from > > > > > the more knowledgeable. > > > > > > > > > > > > I feel that many people in the west do not "buy" the > > concept > > > > > of karma and reject any attempt for further explanation. This > > > > > inspite of the fact that their own reality proves otherwise. > > > > > > Therefore it is important to extend the knowledge of "karma > > > > > and free will" in chart interpretation. Both for > > experimenting > > > > > the theory and for being able to provide better explanation > > to > > > > > those who seek answers. > > > > > > Without the knowledge we get no where ... > > > > > > > > > > > > Kind regards > > > > > > > > > > > > Jay Weiss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and with best regards > > L Brahma > > > > _______________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2002 Report Share Posted June 9, 2002 Vyam Vysadevaya Namah - Dear Gauranga, You stated that the stronger between the 3rd and 8th from AL would show the circumstances of death. I merely thought that they showed different viewpoints of death? Please clarify. Best wishes, Visti. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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