Swamsa, Lagnamsa and Karakamsa (Combinations for astrologers)

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Dear Narasimhaji,

 

Om Sai Ram.

 

In my Navamsa, my AK, Rahu is placed in the 8th

position from Lagnamsa. So, lagnamsa and karakamsa are

in mutual shashthashtakas (6th/8th positions).

 

You say: "the person acts against the wishes of the

soul, it leads to inner turmoil and results in a life

that is wasted (soul has to take birth again and

*start from scratch* to fulfill its desires). "

 

Is this statement always true or other indicators in

the chart can negate this?

 

I am perturbed by your phrase " *start from scratch*

".

How can human life be a total waste, without any

progress at all.A man not making any concious

spiritual effort also ends up taking a few steps

towards god(because HE wills it. Thats why HE has

given the soul rebirth).

 

Or, does this 6-8 position mean that soul will not

advance as much as its capability and desire is

because the body hinders this progress in some way?

 

Till now, I feel that I have made some spiritual

progress. Life has a way of teaching you things.I feel

that I have given the spiritual side of me more

weightage. I was very clear that I wanted to join Sai

Baba college for my BSc because I am his devotee.

Since that time, I have become very introspective.My

desires for success and prosperity in the wordly sense

has given me a lot of frustation (due to shade sani)

and has made me learn that all these desires are not

worth the frustation and state of unhappiness they

induce(after all they are transient).God has always

played a big role in my life and I feel that nothing

can turn me against him or induce me to unlearn my

spiritual nature. I feel I have been true to my soul

to quite an extent.

 

Please clarify and remove my state of confusion.

 

Thanks and Regards,

Saraswathy.

P.S. I am attaching my chart for your perusal.

 

 

vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"

<pvr@c...> wrote:

> Namaste Doug,

>

> > What is Swampsa?

> >

> > doug riemer

>

> Amsa means "division" and refers to the position in

a divisional charts - navamsa usually. So lagnamsa is

the position of lagna in navamsa. Karakamsa is the

position of atma karaka (variable significator of

self) in navamsa. Atma karaka is the planet (out of

seven planets and Rahu) with the largest advancement

in the rasi occupied. For Rahu, advancement is

measured from the end of the sign. Let us take an

example.

>

> Body Longitude

>

> Lagna 7 Aq 26' 00.69"

> Sun 26 Aq 02' 48.83"

> Moon 3 Ge 51' 59.65"

> Mars 1 Ta 53' 19.80"

> Mercury 16 Aq 32' 56.39"

> Jupiter ® 4 Vi 37' 58.82"

> Venus 17 Aq 04' 18.34"

> Saturn 20 Sc 54' 58.50"

> Rahu 29 Li 52' 33.46"

> Ketu 29 Ar 52' 33.46"

>

> If you look at the advancement in rasi, Sun has 26

deg 3 min. Moon has 3 deg 52 min. Though Rahu is at

29Li52, his advancement (from the end) is only 8

minutes (30-0 minus 29-52). of the eight planets, Sun

has the largest advancement and becomes atma karaka

(AK).

>

> Let us take this native's navamsa:

>

> +--------------+

> |Ven |AL |Sun |Rah Glk |

> | | | | |

> | | | | |

> | | | | |

> | | | | |

> |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

> |Mer JupR | | |

> | | | |

> | | | |

> | | | |

> | | | |

> |-----------| Navamsa |-----------|

> |Mar Sat | |GL |

> | | | |

> | | | |

> | | | |

> | | | |

> |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

> |Asc Ket |Moo | |HL Mnd |

> | | | | |

> | | | | |

> | | | | |

> | | | | |

> +--------------+

>

> Navamsa

> +--------------+

> | \ Sat / \ / |

> | \ Mar / \ Moo / |

> | \ / \ / |

> | \ / Ket \ / |

> | \ / \ / |

> |Mer JupR x Asc x |

> | / \ / \ |

> | / \ / \ |

> | / \ / \ |

> | / \ 9 / Mnd \ |

> | / \ / \ |

> | Ven x HL |

> | \ / \ / |

> | \ / \ / |

> | \ / \ / |

> | \ / Glk \ / |

> | \ / \ / |

> |AL x Rah x GL |

> | / \ / \ |

> | / \ / \ |

> | / \ / \ |

> | / Sun \ / \ |

> | / \ / \ |

> +--------------+

>

> +--------------+

> | \ | | / |

> | \ | AL | / |

> | \ | | / |

> | Rah \ Sun | | Ven / Mer |

> | \ | | / |

> | Glk \ | | / JupR |

> | \ | | / |

> |---------------+---------------+---------------|

> | | | |

> | | | Mar Sat |

> | | | |

> | | Navamsa | |

> | | | |

> | | | |

> | | | |

> |---------------+---------------+---------------|

> | / | | \ |

> | / | | \ Ket |

> | / | | \ |

> | GL / HL | | Moo \ Asc |

> | / | | \ |

> | / Mnd | | \ |

> | / | | \ |

> +---------------+---------------+---------------+

>

> In navamsa, lagna is in Sg. So Sg becomes lagnamsa.

AK in this chart is Sun and he is in Ta in navamsa. So

karakamsa is in Ta.

>

> Swa simply means "self" and may refer to either

lagna or atma karaka. So swamsa refers the position of

either lagna or atmakaraka in navamsa. Parasara used

"swamsa" for both lagnamsa and karakamsa. So swamsa

here is in Sg or Ta, depending on what we mean.

>

> What do they both show?

>

> Navamsa shows the inner self, sense of dharma (duty)

and motivation. It shows attitudes. Analysis of

navamsa w.r.t. lagnamsa shows the motivation and

attitudes of the person. Analysis of navamsa w.r.t.

karakamsa shows the motivation and attitudes of the

soul that's inside a person. If the person is acting

against the wishes of the soul, it leads to inner

turmoil and results in a life that is wasted (soul has

to take birth again and *start from scratch* to

fulfill its desires). If lagnamsa and karakamsa are in

mutual shashthashtakas (6th/8th positions), this

happens.

>

> In the above example chart, this happens. So the

native leads a miserable and wasteful life (from the

point of view of soul).

>

> Analysis from Karakamsa:

>

> Jupiter and Mercury in the 10th house of karma show

a soul that wants to be learned and scholarly in

traditional subjects and put the learning to the use

of society. Malefics Saturn and Mars in 9th show a

soul that wants knowledge of tantras, yantras and

taamasik rituals. Exalted Ketu in 8th from karakamsa

shows desire of the soul for occult knowledge.

>

> Analysis from Lagnamsa:

>

> Ketu in 1st shows a spiritual person or a

revolutionary/thief. Here, in this navamsa, Ketu is in

Rakshasa (demonic) group. So Ketu in lagnamsa shows a

thief or a terrorist. Exalted 6th lord shows strong

sense of enmity. Saturn and Mars in Manushya (human)

group in 2nd from lagnamsa show a person who cannot

speak fluently (may have some kind of stammering -

Ketu in 2nd gives full stammering). Mercury and

Jupiter in 3rd show an author and a soft-spoken

person.

>

> As you can see, what his soul wants is different

from what he is doing. Without the soul being happy,

one cannot have complete success. Finally the life

will go waste and the soul will start from scratch in

the next life.

>

> May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> Narasimha

 

 

 

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