TP charts

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Dear Visti,

 

Hare Rama Krsna!

 

Just wanted to inquire if you adjusted the coordinates to my chart, which

you wrongly took as 40N45 instead of the actual 50N45? What would be the

adjustments to the rectification which you did recently?

 

I had one more question in regard to your rectification. Where you wrote

pranapada amsas should be in Simha or Thula, which amsa did you refer to?

D-9 or D-12? And why Simha? I understand it should be in one of the human

signs, Mithuna, Kanya, Thula, second half of Dhanus, or Kumbha in order to

give a human birth?

 

Looking forward to your corrected analysis (if you have some time).

 

Your sishya,

Dhira Krsna dasa

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Vyam Vyasadevaya Namah

--------------------

Dear Krsna,

Did you get my answer? its under the subject; Jamna Vighati Graha.

Best wishes, Visti.,

-

Krsna Shakti TVS

vedic astrology

Monday, June 24, 2002 7:21 PM

[vedic astrology] TP charts

 

 

Dear Visti,

 

Hare Rama Krsna!

 

Just wanted to inquire if you adjusted the coordinates to my chart, which

you wrongly took as 40N45 instead of the actual 50N45? What would be the

adjustments to the rectification which you did recently?

 

I had one more question in regard to your rectification. Where you wrote

pranapada amsas should be in Simha or Thula, which amsa did you refer to?

D-9 or D-12? And why Simha? I understand it should be in one of the human

signs, Mithuna, Kanya, Thula, second half of Dhanus, or Kumbha in order to

give a human birth?

 

Looking forward to your corrected analysis (if you have some time).

 

Your sishya,

Dhira Krsna dasa

 

 

 

 

....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Narsimha

 

RAM KRISHN HARE

 

I am glad to see your quick reply.I have not read JD.

It is not available in the market. I even looked at a few shops in

delhi

during my one-day visit to delhi in last week of may but could not

find it.

I came across a new magazine launched around the same time called

KUMUDAM BHAKTI(Rs 15) a hindi magazine.It was available at most

places.

If JD can be made available at A. H. WHEELAR bookshops at railway

stations,

it can be easily purchased by a lot of people.Why is it not marketed

properly?

 

Now, back to TP charts:

 

In Bharatvarsh most panchangs give 2 charts at the time of new year.

(1) Varsh lagn chart based on time of commencement of chaitr shukl

pratipada

(2) Jagat lagn chart based on sun's entry in aris.

 

If we have a birth chart with sun and moon at 0 degree Mesh(aris),we

find

that these two charts correspond to TP(Pratipada 100 % left) and

Tajika

annual charts respectively.

 

But in (1),there is no restriction that sun must be in aris.In fact

sun is

in pieces most of the time.This is followed by most people

traditionally

and from thousands of years. Tajik Nilkanthi has a few references

regarding

this method.It is a very well accepted method in mundane

astrology.You too

are familiar with casting of lunar new year/new month charts.A

monthly tithi

pravesh chart is also possible.The exactness required in TP charts

for

individuals may have discouraged its use in prediction.Your

defination of

TP chart can still give a monthly lunar chart for the native.

 

I therefore think that luni-solar month is more important instead of

just

solar month.Can you elaborate on the choice of solar month.

 

You said that tajik yogas are not used in TP charts. Visti has used

them in

the analysis of Sanjay's TP chart and you have praised him.You also

made use

of Saham in case of Sushma Rath's chart.so I got the impression that

they

are applicable.

 

BTW, At the end of every 19 years date and tithi becomes same.

(with negligible difference)

 

Thanks

 

Anilkumar

 

OM TAT SAT

 

 

YOU WROTE:

Re: TP charts

Dear Anil,

 

> I read analysis of Sushama Rath (Sanjay's wife) by Narsimha Rao.I

> found

> that the two charts have different month.she has Ashadha in birth

> chart

> while TP chart shows sravana.(see *** output below).Is there some

> mistake or

> I am missing something here?

 

You are missing something here. I presume you haven't read the

article by Pt. Sanjay Rath and me in the May 2002 issue of JD. This

article explained it in detail.

 

There will also be a one-day long (I think, please verify) class on

this at the west coast seminar being organized by SJVC in the last

week of August. Sanjay and I will be teaching TP.

 

Tithi Pravesha is essentially cast for the tithi based (luni-solar

calendar based) annual birth moment (just like Tajaka annual chart is

cast for the solar calendar based annual birth moment).

 

However, there is one catch. The annual birth moment as per the luni-

solar calendar comes when Sun transits in his natal sign AND the

tithi of birth (e.g. Sukla Navami) returns with the same fraction

left as at birth. In other words, Sun is in his natal sign and Moon

is at the same angle from him as at birth. So the solar month has to

be the same and the lunar month can be different sometimes.

 

The rationale behind this deviation from the current custom of

celebrating the lunar calendar birthday when the tithi of birth

returns in the lunar month of birth is explained in the article.

 

In the example you questioned, natal chart has Sun in Cn and 44.41%

of Krishna Tritiya tithi is left in Ashadha month. If you insist on

birthday coming on Ashadha Krishna Tritiya, Sun is in Ge and not in

Cn. So we took Krishna Tritiya in Sravana month (when Sun is in Cn)

and took the point of time when 44.41% of the tithi is left. That is

the annual birth moment. Chart cast for this time sheds light on

fortune during the year.

 

> Now a few doubts:

> I could not find any difference in analysis of Tajaka annual solar

return

> chart and TP chart.Are they used for same/different purpose or we

can

> just use them for double confirmation.Please tell me if TP charts

have

> any other special use as compared to Tajaka charts.

 

There is a lot to the analysis of TP charts. It is certainly not the

same as Tajaka. The series running in JD from May 2002 throws light

on this. We don't use Tajaka aspects, yogas etc. TP sticks to

classical Jyotish principles. It is a very simple, and yet powerful,

technique.

 

Based on my personal experience, TP is easily superior to Tajaka. As

the hitherto secretive technique of TP becomes popular in the coming

months/years, you can judge this for yourself. After all, TP has been

kept a secret hidden in a few paramparas until now and that wasn't

without a reason!

 

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

-

[Guest guest]

Hi Anil,

 

> If JD can be made available at A. H. WHEELAR bookshops at railway

> stations,

> it can be easily purchased by a lot of people.Why is it not marketed

> properly?

 

I don't know. I'll pass your comments to Sanjay ji.

 

> In Bharatvarsh most panchangs give 2 charts at the time of new year.

> (1) Varsh lagn chart based on time of commencement of chaitr shukl

> pratipada

> ....

> But in (1),there is no restriction that sun must be in aris.In fact

> sun is

> in pieces most of the time.This is followed by most people

> traditionally

> and from thousands of years.

 

What is the significance of Pisces? Pisces is the last sign of the zodiac

and not the first. How can Sun-Moon conjunction in Pisces start a new month?

I know this is followed by most people, but we, in our parampara's

tradition, believe that this is merely a corruption (though a couple of

thousands of years old).

 

Sun showing soul and Moon showing mind/desires should be in mutual 7th for a

new beginning. Sun in Aries (first sign of the zodiac) and Moon in Libra

(7th sign of the zodiac) herald a new beginning and hence a new year. This

system is still followed in some regions in eastern India where the Muslim

influence could not penetrate.

 

> I therefore think that luni-solar month is more important instead of

> just

> solar month.Can you elaborate on the choice of solar month.

 

Though mind (Moon) is important, Sun (soul) is the anchor of our existence.

The zodiac is divided into 12 signs and Sun takes the forms of Dwadasa (12)

Adityas and Dwadasa Jyotirlingas in the 12 signs. His exact longitude does

not matter much, but his sign placement is crucial. Sun in one sign has one

form of Aditya and Sun in another sign has another form.

 

One's moment of birth can be emulated every year only if soul has the same

form of Dwadasa Adityas as at birth. So Sun has to be in the same sign that

he was in at birth.

 

But Moon is also important. Moon's angular displacement from Sun shows the

relative placement of mind and soul. For true emulation of birth moment,

this angular displacement should match that at birth.

 

So the definition we are using recognizes the importance of mind (Moon)

without diluting that of soul (Sun).

 

> You said that tajik yogas are not used in TP charts. Visti has used

> them in

> the analysis of Sanjay's TP chart and you have praised him.You also

> made use

> of Saham in case of Sushma Rath's chart.so I got the impression that

> they

> are applicable.

 

I did say and will say that Tajika yogas are not used in TP. We just use the

standard yogas taught by Maharshis in Jyotisha. We do use sahamas in natal

charts as well as annual charts though.

 

> Anilkumar

>

> OM TAT SAT

 

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

[Guest guest]

Dear Narsimha

 

RAM KRISHN HARE

 

Please see my remarks in bold.

 

>In Bharatvarsh most panchangs give 2 charts at the time of new year.

(1) Varsh lagn chart based on time of commencement of chaitr shukl

Pratipada But in (1),there is no restriction that sun must be in aris.

In fact sun is in pieces most of the time.This is followed by most

people

traditionally and from thousands of years.

NR:What is the significance of Pisces? Pisces is the last sign of the

zodiac

and not the first. How can Sun-Moon conjunction in Pisces start a new

month?

I know this is followed by most people, but we, in our parampara's

tradition,

believe that this is merely a corruption (though a couple of

thousands of

years old). Sun showing soul and Moon showing mind/desires should be

in

mutual 7th for a new beginning. Sun in Aries (first sign of the

zodiac)

and Moon in Libra (7th sign of the zodiac) herald a new beginning and

hence a new year. This system is still followed in some regions in

eastern

India where the Muslim influence could not penetrate.

 

ANILKUMAR:WHERE WAS MUSLIM INFLUENCE a couple of thousands of years

back?

THE UNIVERSE WAS CREATED AT A TIME WHEN SUN AND MOON WERE IN 0 DEGREE

ARIS.

YOU KNOW THAT MOON YEAR HAS ABOUT 355 DAYS.SO NEXT MOON YEAR WILL

START WHEN

SUN IS ABOUT 20 DEGREE IN PIECES.THIS IS WHY NEW YEAR START IN PIECES

IN

MOST CASES.

SURY SIDHDHANT GIVES CALCULATIONS FOR ALL PLANETARY POSITIONS BASED ON

THE KALPADI EPOCH.THESE ARE STILL ACCURATE WITH VERY MINOR

CORRECTIONS.IF

YOU NOTE THAT THESE CALCULATIONS ARE VALID FOR BILLIONS OF YEARS THEY

ARE

MUCH MORE ACCURATE IN COMPARISON TO MODERN CALCULATIONS WHICH CAN NOT

GIVE

SATISFACTORY RESULTS EVEN FOR A FEW THOUSAND YEARS.

 

AGNI PURAN USES AMANT(STARTING FROM NEW MOON) MONTH WHICH VERIFIES

THIS.

THE PRESENT POORNIMANT MOUNTH SYSTEM STARTED AS THE CURRENT MANVANTAR

STARTS FROM POORNIMA.BUT THIS CAN NOT CHANGE THE BIRTH TIME OF

UNIVERSE.

AT THAT TIME ALL PLANETS WERE AT 0 DEGREE ARIES.

 

> I therefore think that luni-solar month is more important instead

of just

> solar month.Can you elaborate on the choice of solar month.

NR:Though mind (Moon) is important, Sun (soul) is the anchor of our

existence. The zodiac is divided into 12 signs and Sun takes the

forms of

Dwadasa (12) Adityas and Dwadasa Jyotirlingas in the 12 signs. His

exact

longitude does not matter much, but his sign placement is crucial.

Sun in

one sign has one form of Aditya and Sun in another sign has another

form.

One's moment of birth can be emulated every year only if soul has the

same

form of Dwadasa Adityas as at birth. So Sun has to be in the same

sign that

he was in at birth. But Moon is also important. Moon's angular

displacement

from Sun shows the relative placement of mind and soul. For true

emulation

of birth moment, this angular displacement should match that at

birth. So

the definition we are using recognizes the importance of mind (Moon)

without

diluting that of soul (Sun).

ANILKUMAR:I CAN SEE YOUR POINT BUT ONLY FOR ANGULAR POSITION.DWADAS

ADITYA

ARE THE ADITYAS IN 12 DIFFERENT MONTHS AND NOT IN 12 DIFFERENT SIGNS.

RESULTS OF BIRTH IN VARIOUS YEARS(60),MONTHS(12),DAYS(7) ARE GIVEN IN

VARIOUS CLASSICS OF ASTROLOGY.THEY ARE NOT CONSIDERING ANY PLANETARY

POSITION.THIS SHOWS THAT THE LUNI-SOLAR MONTH IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN

THAT OF PURE SUN BASED MONTH.MONTH RESULTS WILL OTHERWISE BECOME THE

RESULT OF SUN IN A PARTICULAR SIGN.

 

Thanks.

 

Anilkumar

 

OM TAT SAT