what is the effect of retrogated and vargottam jupitor

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Can anybody put light on this question

 

Regards

Parag

>

> > Namaste Guruji,

> >

> > If in horoscope jupitor is retrogated ( and in degree like 15)

and

> in

> > navamash kundali it is vargottam then what to conclude from it.

> > Is it retrogation enhances the effect of vargottam jupitor or it

> > kills the power.So that in Gurudasa the "JATKA" will experience

> full

> > power of GuruMahraj or delay in its blessings?

> >

> > Can anybody help?

> >

> > Regards

> > Parag

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Well I think that managed to put all known info. for Jupiter's

Transit in message 15865 and hopefully that can help you to analyze

it for yourself...if not, then its beyond my capacity to answer this

question..good luck while Jupiter is in Cancer...Rajesh Kumaria

 

vedic astrology, "dparagin" <dparagin> wrote:

> Can anybody put light on this question

>

> Regards

> Parag

> >

> > > Namaste Guruji,

> > >

> > > If in horoscope jupitor is retrogated ( and in degree like 15)

> and

> > in

> > > navamash kundali it is vargottam then what to conclude from it.

> > > Is it retrogation enhances the effect of vargottam jupitor or

it

> > > kills the power.So that in Gurudasa the "JATKA" will experience

> > full

> > > power of GuruMahraj or delay in its blessings?

> > >

> > > Can anybody help?

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Parag

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Namaste Guruji

 

Thanks Rajesh Kumaria for your reply.

I read message no. 15865.

But my query is not related to the transition of

jupitor but the way it has been situated in kundali.

 

If jupitor is retrogated (with degrees 15) and

vargottam then how do the effect of retrogation will

effect in the GuruDasa.

 

Regards

Parag

 

--- rajeshkumaria2000 <rajeshkumaria2000

wrote:

> Well I think that managed to put all known info. for

> Jupiter's

> Transit in message 15865 and hopefully that can help

> you to analyze

> it for yourself...if not, then its beyond my

> capacity to answer this

> question..good luck while Jupiter is in

> Cancer...Rajesh Kumaria

>

> vedic astrology, "dparagin"

> <dparagin> wrote:

> > Can anybody put light on this question

> >

> > Regards

> > Parag

> > >

> > > > Namaste Guruji,

> > > >

> > > > If in horoscope jupitor is retrogated ( and in

> degree like 15)

> > and

> > > in

> > > > navamash kundali it is vargottam then what to

> conclude from it.

> > > > Is it retrogation enhances the effect of

> vargottam jupitor or

> it

> > > > kills the power.So that in Gurudasa the

> "JATKA" will experience

> > > full

> > > > power of GuruMahraj or delay in its blessings?

> > > >

> > > > Can anybody help?

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > Parag

>

>

 

 

 

 

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Dear Parag,

Retrograde essentially means a slowing down or delay in actually giving results.

It could also be inferred as a change in the natural tendencies of a graha.

Jupiter a natural benefic generally leads one toward spiritual or Dharmic

activities but a retrograde Jupiter could lead one to material life or increase

the attack of the senses. This again has to be judged specifically to house

placement and individual chart. A graha in 15 degrees is considered to be in

its youthful state and has power. Learned Gurus may please correct me if there

was an error.

Hare Krishna

Sudharsan

parag dharmadhikari <dparagin > wrote: Namaste GurujiThanks Rajesh

Kumaria for your reply.I read message no. 15865.But my query is not related to

the transition ofjupitor but the way it has been situated in kundali.If jupitor

is retrogated (with degrees 15) andvargottam then how do the effect of

retrogation willeffect in the GuruDasa.RegardsParag--- rajeshkumaria2000

<rajeshkumaria2000 >wrote:> Well I think that managed to put all known

info. for> Jupiter's > Transit in message 15865 and hopefully that can help> you

to analyze > it for yourself...if not, then its beyond my> capacity to answer

this > question..good luck while Jupiter is in> Cancer...Rajesh Kumaria> > ---

In vedic astrology, "dparagin"> <dparagin> wrote:> > Can anybody put

light on this question> > > > Regards> > Parag> > > > > > > Namaste Guruji,> >

> > > > > > If in horoscope jupitor is retrogated ( and in> degree like 15) > >

and > > > in > > > > navamash kundali it is vargottam then what to> conclude

from it.> > > > Is it retrogation enhances the effect of> vargottam jupitor or

> it > > > > kills the power.So that in Gurudasa the> "JATKA" will experience >

> > full > > > > power of GuruMahraj or delay in its blessings?> > > > > > > >

Can anybody help?> > > > > > > > Regards> > > > Parag> >

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Hi,

 

The complete chart is ofcourse important

 

Retrograde planet get;s more rays from sun indicating a high value of Chesta

Bala. A retro planet in a chart indicates a deep rooted desire from past life

and to attain that in this life a lot of efforts have to be put in. Also a

retro planet will reverse it''s indications. For example a retro planet in the

5th house could show delay in having children. In this case Jupiter being a

natural benefic if retro in a kendra or a trine is bad enough. More so if that

jupiter is debilitated, indicating a curse from past life.I dont think jupiter

being vargottama will remove this curse.

 

I will be obliged if Guru's and learned members can correct me

 

Regds

 

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Tuesday, July 30, 2002 8:43 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: what is the effect of retrogated and vargottam jupitor

Hare Rama Krishna Jaya Jagannatha Dear Parag, Retrograde essentially means a

slowing down or delay in actually giving results. It could also be inferred as

a change in the natural tendencies of a graha. Jupiter a natural benefic

generally leads one toward spiritual or Dharmic activities but a retrograde

Jupiter could lead one to material life or increase the attack of the senses.

This again has to be judged specifically to house placement and individual

chart. A graha in 15 degrees is considered to be in its youthful state and has

power. Learned Gurus may please correct me if there was an error. Hare Krishna

Sudharsan parag dharmadhikari <dparagin > wrote: Namaste

GurujiThanks Rajesh Kumaria for your reply.I read message no. 15865.But my

query is not related to the transition ofjupitor but the way it has been

situated in kundali.If jupitor is retrogated (with degrees 15) andvargottam

then how do the effect of retrogation willeffect in the

GuruDasa.RegardsParag--- rajeshkumaria2000 <rajeshkumaria2000 >wrote:>

Well I think that managed to put all known info. for> Jupiter's > Transit in

message 15865 and hopefully that can help> you to analyze > it for

yourself...if not, then its beyond my> capacity to answer this > question..good

luck while Jupiter is in> Cancer...Rajesh Kumaria> > --- In

vedic astrology, "dparagin"> <dparagin> wrote:> > Can anybody put

light on this question> > > > Regards> > Parag> > > > > > > Namaste Guruji,> >

> > > > > > If in horoscope jupitor is retrogated ( and in> degree like 15) > >

and > > > in > > > > navamash kundali it is vargottam then what to> conclude

from it.> > > > Is it retrogation enhances the effect of> vargottam jupitor or

> it > > > > kills the power.So that in Gurudasa the> "JATKA" will experience >

> > full > > > > power of GuruMahraj or delay in its blessings?> > > > > > > >

Can anybody help?> > > > > > > > Regards> > > > Parag> >

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Dear Sudharsan,

 

I think the avastha of a retro planet is that of Bheeta which means afraid or

being a coward. Please correct me if i am wrong.

 

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Re: [vedic astrology] Re: what is the effect of retrogated and vargottam jupitor

Hare Rama Krishna Jaya Jagannatha Dear Parag, Retrograde essentially means a

slowing down or delay in actually giving results. It could also be inferred as

a change in the natural tendencies of a graha. Jupiter a natural benefic

generally leads one toward spiritual or Dharmic activities but a retrograde

Jupiter could lead one to material life or increase the attack of the senses.

This again has to be judged specifically to house placement and individual

chart. A graha in 15 degrees is considered to be in its youthful state and has

power. Learned Gurus may please correct me if there was an error. Hare Krishna

Sudharsan parag dharmadhikari <dparagin > wrote: Namaste

GurujiThanks Rajesh Kumaria for your reply.I read message no. 15865.But my

query is not related to the transition ofjupitor but the way it has been

situated in kundali.If jupitor is retrogated (with degrees 15) andvargottam

then how do the effect of retrogation willeffect in the

GuruDasa.RegardsParag--- rajeshkumaria2000 <rajeshkumaria2000 >wrote:>

Well I think that managed to put all known info. for> Jupiter's > Transit in

message 15865 and hopefully that can help> you to analyze > it for

yourself...if not, then its beyond my> capacity to answer this > question..good

luck while Jupiter is in> Cancer...Rajesh Kumaria> > --- In

vedic astrology, "dparagin"> <dparagin> wrote:> > Can anybody put

light on this question> > > > Regards> > Parag> > > > > > > Namaste Guruji,> >

> > > > > > If in horoscope jupitor is retrogated ( and in> degree like 15) > >

and > > > in > > > > navamash kundali it is vargottam then what to> conclude

from it.> > > > Is it retrogation enhances the effect of> vargottam jupitor or

> it > > > > kills the power.So that in Gurudasa the> "JATKA" will experience >

> > full > > > > power of GuruMahraj or delay in its blessings?> > > > > > > >

Can anybody help?> > > > > > > > Regards> > > > Parag> >

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Dear Hari,

I have read Gurudeva Sanjay's opinion that retrograde planets do give the

results of a debilitation or change in their natural tendencies. Infact an

example he did give was of Shri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, where Saturn is

exhalted but retrograde thereby changing from a Rajayogakaraka to that of a

Pravrajya. It gave the paramhamsa moksha as opposed to bhoga. But I was only

referring to the fifteen degrees advancement and calling it in youth. Of course

everything has to be taken in the context of house placement and chart.

BTW the same is also a point of concern for me personally as I have retrograde

Jupiter in my 11th and though it is in the 3rd from AL indicating renunciation,

it would be very difficult as the senses would attack incessantly. Its due in

two years and I can give you first hand comments on that hopefully.Learned

Gurus may please correct my comments.

Hare Krishna

Sudharsan

 

Katti Narahari <katti_narahari (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Om Gurave Namah

 

Dear Sudharsan,

 

I think the avastha of a retro planet is that of Bheeta which means afraid or

being a coward. Please correct me if i am wrong.

 

Regds

 

Hari

-

Sudharsan Srinivasan

vedic astrology

Tuesday, July 30, 2002 8:43 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: what is the effect of retrogated and vargottam jupitor

Hare Rama Krishna Jaya Jagannatha Dear Parag, Retrograde essentially means a

slowing down or delay in actually giving results. It could also be inferred as

a change in the natural tendencies of a graha. Jupiter a natural benefic

generally leads one toward spiritual or Dharmic activities but a retrograde

Jupiter could lead one to material life or increase the attack of the senses.

This again has to be judged specifically to house placement and individual

chart. A graha in 15 degrees is considered to be in its youthful state and has

power. Learned Gurus may please correct me if there was an error. Hare Krishna

Sudharsan parag dharmadhikari <dparagin > wrote: Namaste

GurujiThanks Rajesh Kumaria for your reply.I read message no. 15865.But my

query is not related to the transition ofjupitor but the way it has been

situated in kundali.If jupitor is retrogated (with degrees 15) andvargottam

then how do the effect of retrogation willeffect in the

GuruDasa.RegardsParag--- rajeshkumaria2000 <rajeshkumaria2000 >wrote:>

Well I think that managed to put all known info. for> Jupiter's > Transit in

message 15865 and hopefully that can help> you to analyze > it for

yourself...if not, then its beyond my> capacity to answer this > question..good

luck while Jupiter is in> Cancer...Rajesh Kumaria> > --- In

vedic astrology, "dparagin"> <dparagin> wrote:> > Can anybody put

light on this question> > > > Regards> > Parag> > > > > > > Namaste Guruji,> >

> > > > > > If in horoscope jupitor is retrogated ( and in> degree like 15) > >

and > > > in > > > > navamash kundali it is vargottam then what to> conclude

from it.> > > > Is it retrogation enhances the effect of> vargottam jupitor or

> it > > > > kills the power.So that in Gurudasa the> "JATKA" will experience >

> > full > > > > power of GuruMahraj or delay in its blessings?> > > > > > > >

Can anybody help?> > > > > > > > Regards> > > > Parag> >

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Dear hari, Sudarshan & others,

Planets in retrogression generally tend to delay the things that it stands

for / the signifactions of the house it occupies. If it is vargottam then

the delays are felt strongly. Planets like Jupiter being retrogade is a

curse from past life. It will make a person to compensate for the mistakes

that he has commited in the past life. something simillar to that of an AK

role. Since it is a natural benefic it may take one to a moksha marga unless

afflicted by Rahu or a malefic.

If it is involved in any yogas Like GK or, Guru Mangal yoga then it may

bestow material gains too but after delays.

 

Brahma

 

 

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>Dear Hari,

>I have read Gurudeva Sanjay's opinion that retrograde planets do give the

>results of a debilitation or change in their natural tendencies. Infact an

>example he did give was of Shri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, where Saturn is

>exhalted but retrograde thereby changing from a Rajayogakaraka to that of a

>Pravrajya. It gave the paramhamsa moksha as opposed to bhoga. But I was

>only referring to the fifteen degrees advancement and calling it in youth.

>Of course everything has to be taken in the context of house placement

>and chart.

>BTW the same is also a point of concern for me personally as I have

>retrograde Jupiter in my 11th and though it is in the 3rd from AL

>indicating renunciation, it would be very difficult as the senses would

>attack incessantly. Its due in two years and I can give you first hand

>comments on that hopefully.Learned Gurus may please correct my comments.

>Hare Krishna

>Sudharsan

>

>Katti Narahari <katti_narahari wrote: Om Gurave Namah Dear

>Sudharsan, I think the avastha of a retro planet is that of Bheeta which

>means afraid or being a coward. Please correct me if i am wrong. Regds

>Hari- Sudharsan Srinivasan To:

>vedic astrology Tuesday, July 30, 2002 8:43

>PMRe: [vedic astrology] Re: what is the effect of retrogated and

>vargottam jupitor

>

>Hare Rama Krishna

>Jaya Jagannatha

>Dear Parag,

>Retrograde essentially means a slowing down or delay in actually giving

>results. It could also be inferred as a change in the natural tendencies of

>a graha. Jupiter a natural benefic generally leads one toward spiritual or

>Dharmic activities but a retrograde Jupiter could lead one to material life

>or increase the attack of the senses. This again has to be judged

>specifically to house placement and individual chart. A graha in 15 degrees

>is considered to be in its youthful state and has power.

>Learned Gurus may please correct me if there was an error.

>Hare Krishna

>Sudharsan

> parag dharmadhikari <dparagin wrote: Namaste Guruji

>

>Thanks Rajesh Kumaria for your reply.

>I read message no. 15865.

>But my query is not related to the transition of

>jupitor but the way it has been situated in kundali.

>

>If jupitor is retrogated (with degrees 15) and

>vargottam then how do the effect of retrogation will

>effect in the GuruDasa.

>

>Regards

>Parag

>

>--- rajeshkumaria2000 <rajeshkumaria2000

>wrote:

> > Well I think that managed to put all known info. for

> > Jupiter's

> > Transit in message 15865 and hopefully that can help

> > you to analyze

> > it for yourself...if not, then its beyond my

> > capacity to answer this

> > question..good luck while Jupiter is in

> > Cancer...Rajesh Kumaria

> >

> > vedic astrology, "dparagin"

> > <dparagin> wrote:

> > > Can anybody put light on this question

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Parag

> > > >

> > > > > Namaste Guruji,

> > > > >

> > > > > If in horoscope jupitor is retrogated ( and in

> > degree like 15)

> > > and

> > > > in

> > > > > navamash kundali it is vargottam then what to

> > conclude from it.

> > > > > Is it retrogation enhances the effect of

> > vargottam jupitor or

> > it

> > > > > kills the power.So that in Gurudasa the

> > "JATKA" will experience

> > > > full

> > > > > power of GuruMahraj or delay in its blessings?

> > > > >

> > > > > Can anybody help?

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Parag

> >

> >

>

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Namaste Guruji,

 

I am thankful to all those who have answered my

question.

But if I try to conclude from all the disscussion then

I can say that such a person will be deprived of the

relationship with his elder brother and other

relatives, as his jupitor is in 3rd house which is his

lagnesh also( ascendent is sattigurs).

 

But actually in his life that person has attained very

close and fruitful relationship with all of his

relatives who has helped him immensly.

Then why such disparity in conclusion and real life?

 

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--- Sanjay Rath <srath wrote:

>

>

> Om Namo Bhagavate Vaasudevaya

> Dear Hari

> No, you are wrong here. Bheeta avastha comes only

> when the speed of the planet is very high..much

> above average. A planet one day after it begins

> retrogression is very slow and definitely not in

> Bheeta avastha. Direct or retrograde motion has

> nothing to do with this avastha -it is the speed.

> With best wishes

> Sanjay Rath

> http://sanjayrath.tripod.com

>

> Katti Narahari

> [katti_narahari]

> Tuesday, July 30, 2002 9:14 PM

> vedic astrology

> Re: [vedic astrology] Re: what is the

> effect of retrogated and vargottam jupitor

>

>

> Om Gurave Namah

>

> Dear Sudharsan,

>

> I think the avastha of a retro planet is that of

> Bheeta which means afraid or being a coward. Please

> correct me if i am wrong.

>

> Regds

>

> Hari

> -

> Sudharsan Srinivasan

> vedic astrology

> Tuesday, July 30, 2002 8:43 PM

> Re: [vedic astrology] Re: what is the

> effect of retrogated and vargottam jupitor

>

>

> Hare Rama Krishna

>

> Jaya Jagannatha

>

> Dear Parag,

>

> Retrograde essentially means a slowing down or

> delay in actually giving results. It could also be

> inferred as a change in the natural tendencies of a

> graha. Jupiter a natural benefic generally leads one

> toward spiritual or Dharmic activities but a

> retrograde Jupiter could lead one to material life

> or increase the attack of the senses. This again has

> to be judged specifically to house placement and

> individual chart. A graha in 15 degrees is

> considered to be in its youthful state and has

> power.

>

> Learned Gurus may please correct me if there was

> an error.

>

> Hare Krishna

>

> Sudharsan

>

> parag dharmadhikari <dparagin wrote:

>

> Namaste Guruji

>

> Thanks Rajesh Kumaria for your reply.

> I read message no. 15865.

> But my query is not related to the transition of

> jupitor but the way it has been situated in

> kundali.

>

> If jupitor is retrogated (with degrees 15) and

> vargottam then how do the effect of retrogation

> will

> effect in the GuruDasa.

>

> Regards

> Parag

>

> --- rajeshkumaria2000

> <rajeshkumaria2000

> wrote:

> > Well I think that managed to put all known

> info. for

> > Jupiter's

> > Transit in message 15865 and hopefully that

> can help

> > you to analyze

> > it for yourself...if not, then its beyond my

> > capacity to answer this

> > question..good luck while Jupiter is in

> > Cancer...Rajesh Kumaria

> >

> > vedic astrology, "dparagin"

> > <dparagin> wrote:

> > > Can anybody put light on this question

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Parag

> > > >

> > > > > Namaste Guruji,

> > > > >

> > > > > If in horoscope jupitor is retrogated (

> and in

> > degree like 15)

> > > and

> > > > in

> > > > > navamash kundali it is vargottam then

> what to

> > conclude from it.

> > > > > Is it retrogation enhances the effect of

> > vargottam jupitor or

> > it

> > > > > kills the power.So that in Gurudasa the

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A retrograde planet usually becomes powerful more so

if it is retrograde in debilitation. am example could

be of my boss....who has a retrograde jupiter

debilitated in capricorn in the 10th house. he is

currently running jupiter dasha and his career has

shot up since then. a planet retrograde in its own

house or in exaltation is not powerful.

 

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--- Sudharsan Srinivasan <sudhar108 wrote:

>

> Hare Rama Krishna

> Jaya Jagannatha

> Dear Hari,

> I have read Gurudeva Sanjay's opinion that

> retrograde planets do give the results of a

> debilitation or change in their natural tendencies.

> Infact an example he did give was of Shri

> Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, where Saturn is exhalted

> but retrograde thereby changing from a

> Rajayogakaraka to that of a Pravrajya. It gave the

> paramhamsa moksha as opposed to bhoga. But I was

> only referring to the fifteen degrees advancement

> and calling it in youth. Of course everything has to

> be taken in the context of house placement and

> chart.

> BTW the same is also a point of concern for me

> personally as I have retrograde Jupiter in my 11th

> and though it is in the 3rd from AL indicating

> renunciation, it would be very difficult as the

> senses would attack incessantly. Its due in two

> years and I can give you first hand comments on that

> hopefully.Learned Gurus may please correct my

> comments.

> Hare Krishna

> Sudharsan

>

> Katti Narahari <katti_narahari wrote:

> Om Gurave Namah Dear Sudharsan, I think the avastha

> of a retro planet is that of Bheeta which means

> afraid or being a coward. Please correct me if i am

> wrong. Regds Hari-

> Sudharsan Srinivasan To:

> vedic astrology Tuesday, July

> 30, 2002 8:43 PMRe: [vedic astrology] Re:

> what is the effect of retrogated and vargottam

> jupitor

>

> Hare Rama Krishna

> Jaya Jagannatha

> Dear Parag,

> Retrograde essentially means a slowing down or delay

> in actually giving results. It could also be

> inferred as a change in the natural tendencies of a

> graha. Jupiter a natural benefic generally leads one

> toward spiritual or Dharmic activities but a

> retrograde Jupiter could lead one to material life

> or increase the attack of the senses. This again has

> to be judged specifically to house placement and

> individual chart. A graha in 15 degrees is

> considered to be in its youthful state and has

> power.

> Learned Gurus may please correct me if there was an

> error.

> Hare Krishna

> Sudharsan

> parag dharmadhikari <dparagin wrote:

> Namaste Guruji

>

> Thanks Rajesh Kumaria for your reply.

> I read message no. 15865.

> But my query is not related to the transition of

> jupitor but the way it has been situated in kundali.

>

> If jupitor is retrogated (with degrees 15) and

> vargottam then how do the effect of retrogation will

> effect in the GuruDasa.

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> Regards

> Parag

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> --- rajeshkumaria2000 <rajeshkumaria2000

> wrote:

> > Well I think that managed to put all known info.

> for

> > Jupiter's

> > Transit in message 15865 and hopefully that can

> help

> > you to analyze

> > it for yourself...if not, then its beyond my

> > capacity to answer this

> > question..good luck while Jupiter is in

> > Cancer...Rajesh Kumaria

> >

> > vedic astrology, "dparagin"

> > <dparagin> wrote:

> > > Can anybody put light on this question

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Parag

> > > >

> > > > > Namaste Guruji,

> > > > >

> > > > > If in horoscope jupitor is retrogated ( and

> in

> > degree like 15)

> > > and

> > > > in

> > > > > navamash kundali it is vargottam then what

> to

> > conclude from it.

> > > > > Is it retrogation enhances the effect of

> > vargottam jupitor or

> > it

> > > > > kills the power.So that in Gurudasa the

> > "JATKA" will experience

> > > > full

> > > > > power of GuruMahraj or delay in its

> blessings?

> > > > >

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