Guest guest Posted August 10, 2002 Report Share Posted August 10, 2002 Dear Visti, Continuing on the retrogression discussion, you said "The area of life affected will be indicated by the lordship of the graha. The means through which these areas will be affected is seen from the grahas natural karakatwa" Now for a planet like Jupiter, who is a ntural karaka for so many things like philosophy, awareness, finances, children, Guru etc. How to decide which of th karakatwa is affected? Should we consider divisional chart placements for the nature of afflictions or aspects and placements in rasi chars alone? In my chart, jupiter is in cancer, retrograde in the 9th aspected by sun and mercury by graha aspect and venus by rasi aspect. Should I consider these planet's relationships with jupiter to understand my area of affliction or if these planets are malefics with respect to my lagna (scorpio), to deduce the area of affliction. or is there a divisional chart consideration, as the rasi chart affliction is going to be common for all scorpio borns on that day. or is the effect global for all karakatwas..? I would appreciate your reply. AM. vedic astrology, "harisuds2002" <harisuds2002> wrote: > Respected Sirs, > > I followed up the thread below. It was very informative. i have > few doubts in them. > > >Now lets say Venus was retrogade in the 4th house. Venus in 4th > >tends to give many luxuries, such as Cars, Computers and such, and > >when retrogade these things suddenly need a stronger focus. Venus is > >enimical towards Moon, hence there will be some mental > >disatisfaction with their luxuries and may want more, become very > >materialistic. This will be for sure if Rahu has dristi on Venus. > > > > As a result the houses lorded by Venus will be damaged. Not to > mention if Venus was debilitated. > > > > Sudarsan> Assume that a planet is neither in exaltatin,debilitated. > In the above example venus in the 4th (niehter exalted neither > debilitated) Assume that venus lords over the 5th house, and so does > this mean that the 5th house significations are affected by this > retrogression of venus placed in the 4th house. > > Also in this case (no exaltation, no debilitation) what will be the > effects on the house where venus is present?. Will it be same as when > venus was not retrograde.. > > Please clarify > > Sudarsan > > > > 5e171777569450be35c777fba2c6fb2b@o..., "Visti Larsen" <ec435b6b60e7f2eae81058aeb973887c@o...> > wrote: > > Vyam Vysadevaya Namah > > ------------------ > > Dear Dilip, > > The Yogas enunciated by Gurudev, were for Retrogade Grahas in their > debilitation signs. > > > > Kalyan Verma states; If a planet is exalted, and retrogade, then > its effects will be nill. > > > > Why is this? > > > > A retrogade graha has very strong Chesta Bala, showing that this > area of life is very important, and the area craves attention to be > resolved. > > > > Take the Natural Karakatwa of the Graha, and see its effect on the > house its placed in. i.e. lets say Saturn was in 4th. Saturn being an > enemy of Moon(Karaka of happiness) and Mars(Karaka of property), may > cause some sorrow and loss of home respectively. > > > > If in turn, Saturn is retrogade, then this sorrow/loss of home, is > due to some problem in the past life, maybe a curse. > > This could happen even thou Saturn is Exalted in the 4th and > retrogade. > > > > See Sri Ramas chart, he had Saturn in Libra-4th and no doubt it was > also retrogade. During the Moola Dasa of Saturn, he was exiled. Keep > in mind that there were a few more factors, which made this for sure > (Mars & SaturnR giving Graha Dristi on Jup in Lagna, causing curse of > a brahmin). > > > > So take the Karakatwa of the Retrogade Graha; > > Saturn=Sorrow/loss > > Mars=Anger > > Mercury=communication/education > > Venus=sexual relations > > Jupiter=philosophy/awareness > > > > Its clear that its only the 5 planets that can attain this status. > the Luminaries and the Nodes are out of this scheme.. why? > > > > The nodes are always retrogade, and Rahu being the cause of > rebirth, helps us understand the role of other retrogade grahas. > > > > Now lets say Venus was retrogade in the 4th house. Venus in 4th > tends to give many luxuries, such as Cars, Computers and such, and > when retrogade these things suddenly need a stronger focus. Venus is > enimical towards Moon, hence there will be some mental disatisfaction > with their luxuries and may want more, become very materialistic. > This will be for sure if Rahu has dristi on Venus. > > > > As a result the houses lorded by Venus will be damaged. Not to > mention if Venus was debilitated. > > > > The results you have enunciated from your own chart, do indeed make > sense from the placements you have given, your on the right track to > understanding them. > > Best wishes, Visti. > > - > > Dr.D.Banerjee > > 5e171777569450be35c777fba2c6fb2b@o... > > Tuesday, March 26, 2002 5:52 AM > > Re: retrograde planet -Visti Re: [vedic astrology] Dear > Visti -- Parvathamsa Division > > > > > > HARE RAMA KRISHNA > > ----------------- > > Dear Visti, > > > > Thanks for your reply. Yes, Gurudev in a previous mail wrote that > natural benefics when retrograde in kendra & trikona carry curse from > previous life, and malefics retrograde in kendra & trikona bring > blessings from previous life. The reverse happens if retrogression > occurs in dusthana. There is no mention of other places, like 2nd > house, 3rd house and 11th house. In my horoscope , Saturn is > retrogade in 2nd house in scorpio. So, what theme it carries from the > previous life, blessings or curse? Saturn is Gnatikaraka ( > charakaraka ) in my horoscope. Another retrograde planet is Jupiter, > the Amatya karaka in my horoscope is placed in cancer in the 10th > house. So, this cetainly is bringing in an unresolved curse from my > previous birth. Could it be a curse of a brahmin(jupiter afflicted by > Mars from 3rd house)? And due to this curse, is it possible that the > sufferings for the curse will be the areas of life signified by the > natural karakatwa of Jupiter ,like children,finance, elder brother > etc? Let me inform you that I have no elder brother, my wife had an > abortion and after much difficulty, my only child was born, and my > financial condition(income) is not much. Interestingly, the > retrograde Jupiter is aspecting both by grahadristi and rasidristi, > Saturn another retrograde planet. What result can you expect of it? > > > > My rasi chart is : Lagna- Libra, 2nd house-Saturn® Rahu, 3rd > house-Mars(AK,Vargottama) Moon, 6th house-Sun Merc, 8th house-Venus > Ketu, 10th house-jupiter®. > > > > Please make me understand the riddle of retrograde planets! > > > > With Warm Regards > > Dilip Banerjee. > > - > > Visti Larsen > > 5e171777569450be35c777fba2c6fb2b@o... > > Sunday, March 24, 2002 1:47 AM > > Re: retrograde planet -Visti Re: [vedic astrology] > Dear Visti -- Parvathamsa Division > > > > > > Vyam Vysdevaya Namah > > ------ > > Dear Dilip, > > This has been explained before. > > Retrogression indicates some unresolved theme from past life. > Whether its a blessing or a curse depends on its placement in Rasi > and Navamsa. > > > > Gurudeva gave an example, where Jupiter retrogade in 5th house > of Capricorn, along with being vargottama, caused schizophrenia to > the person, as Jupiter is Karaka of awareness. > > > > The area of life affected will be indicated by the lordship of > the graha. The means through which these areas will be affected is > seen from the grahas natural karakatwa. > > > > As for remedies, i'm not clear, but am getting there.. remember > that this comes from past life, and hence Upayas may not be fruitful. > > Best wishes, Visti. > > > > > > - > > Dr.D.Banerjee > > 5e171777569450be35c777fba2c6fb2b@o... > > Saturday, March 23, 2002 11:29 PM > > retrograde planet -Visti Re: [vedic astrology] Dear > Visti -- Parvathamsa Division > > > > > > HARE RAMA KRISHNA > > ------------------------ > > Dear visti > > > > In this mail, at a place you have written that > > Now wheres Jupiter in your chart? Since its retrogade, it may > confer a blessing from past life, if placed correctly. > > > > Please tell me , what is the relationship of past life with > the retrogression of a planet. If a benefic is in retrogression, is > it always a blessing from the past life? If so, what is the area of > life where the blessing will be manifested? When retrogression is a > curse from the past life? How to identify the field of life where the > curse will manifest? How to avert the curse, i.e. remrdy of it? > > > > With warm regards > > Dilip Banerjee > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > Visti Larsen > > 5e171777569450be35c777fba2c6fb2b@o... > > Thursday, March 21, 2002 8:53 AM > > Re: [vedic astrology] Dear Visti -- Parvathamsa > Division > > > > > > Vyam Vysadevaya Namah > > ------------------------- -- > > Dear Saraswathy, > > Bellow is the list of names given to the 4 different Varga > Schemes. > > The Vargas attrbuted to each scheme, should also be in BPHS. > > > > Shodasa Dasa Sapta Shad > > 0 None None None None > > 1 None None None None > > 2 Bhedaka Paarijaataamsa Kimsuka > Kimsuka > > 3 Kusuma Uttamaamsa Vyanjana Vyanjana > > 4 Nagapushpa Gopuraamsa Chaamara Chaamara > > 5 Kanduka Simhaasanaamsa Chatra Chatra > > 6 Kerala Paaraavataamsa Kundala Kundala > > 7 Kalpavriksha Devalokaamsa Mukuta > > 8 Chandanavana Brahmalokamsa > > 9 Poornachandra Airaavataamsa > > 10 Uchchaisrava Sreedhaamaamsa > > 11 Dhanvantari > > 12 Suryakanta > > 13 Vidruma > > 14 Sakrasimhasana > > 15 Goloka > > 16 Sri Vallabha > > > > > > A Graha is in its own Amsa, when being in either; > Exaltation, Moolatrikona or Own sign. > > > > The Yoga you mention is also given in Sarvath Chintamani, > which is an excellent treatise on divisional charts. > > > > Also make sure to see if the respective Graha is well > placed in reference to Arudha Lagna. Benefics should be placed in; > 2nd, 4th, 5th, 8th or 10th to confer Raja Yoga. If placed in 7th or > 1st, then the results may depend on the sign itself. > > > > If however the benefic is debilitated in Rasi, then it can > be placed in; 3rd or 6th from AL, to confer raja yoga. > > > > The above list is opposite for malefics, with respect to > placement. > > > > Both malefics and benefics no matter their state, confer > Raja Yoga in 9th or 11th from Arudha Lagna. > > > > This should be seen in Rasi. > > The timing should be done from an analysis on Yogadas > (Source: Jaimini). > > > > > > Now if i said that all this information and more, has been > posted on this list almost 1-2 years ago, would you be suprised? go > have a look: http://www./vedic astrology/ > > > > Now wheres Jupiter in your chart? Since its retrogade, it > may confer a blessing from past life, if placed correctly. > > > > Best wishes, Visti > > > > > > > > - > > vs_saras > > 5e171777569450be35c777fba2c6fb2b@o... > > Wednesday, March 20, 2002 9:49 AM > > [vedic astrology] Dear Visti -- Parvathamsa > Division > > > > > > Dear Visti, > > > > Om Sai Ram. > > > > According to BPHS by Sharma, > > (1) DashaVarga -- D-1, D-2, D-3, D-7, D-9, D-10, D-12, D- > 16, D-30, D- > > 60. > > (2) "If in the Dashavarga, a planet remains in 6 Vargas > in his own > > Varga, he will have the name of Parvatamsa Division". > > (3) " If the lord of the 2nd House together with a > benefic planet is > > placed in a good division like Parvathamsa etc, the > native will get > > all kinds of wealth in his house effortlessly". > > > > In my case, I have Jupiter® as the 2nd Lord and he is > in > > Parvathamsa division: > > (1) D-1 -- in Pisces > > (2) D-2 -- in Pisces > > (3) D-7 -- in Pisces > > (4) D-9 -- in Pisces, conjuct with Sun > > (5) D-16 -- in Pisces, conjuct with Sun > > (6) D-60 -- in Sagittarius, conjunct with Rahu > > > > In my case > > (1) Jup® is 2nd and 5th lord, placed in 5th, with > aspects from Sun > > and Rahu in Rasi. > > (1) Jup is retro. > > (2)In its vargas in Parvathamsa, it is either alone or > placed with a > > malefic planet. > > > > So, to what extent will the yoga fructify and when. > Kindly explain so > > that my astrology knowledge will get broadened. > > > > Regards, > > Saraswathy. > > > > P.S. 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