Guest guest Posted September 11, 2002 Report Share Posted September 11, 2002 Aum Namah Shivaya Dear group, One thing I need to mention here is linking Vyasa Deva to Budha graha. It may be controversial. Except this, most other points are non-controversial and accepted as authentic by most people. I am open to change my introduction regarding Budha graha, depending on the feedback. While it is more easy to accept Vyasa for Jupiter (because of Vyasa being the great Master,the GURU OF GURUS),it should not be forgotten that Vamana is accepted universally for Jupite. The variation is only with Budha graha. Like I said earlier, Balarama, Buddha and Vyasa could be among other considerations here, from various sources. Or I could drop the reference to any graha itself, to avoid getting caught in a controversy. But originally this paragraph had to be there since I copiled stories for all the grahas, their deities etc from mythology. Apart from this possible controversy, I feel that the remaining contents are relatively ok from a traditional point of view. Any constructive feedback will be appreciated, especially those who are familiar with the ORIGINAL LITERATURE AND TRADITIONS. Regards, Satya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2002 Report Share Posted September 12, 2002 Namaste Satya ji, Linking Budha to Vyasa is indeed strange. Budha is a great student and scholar. Linking Vyasa to him is inappropriate. As you yourself point out, Jupiter is the teacher and significator of traditional knowledge. Another planet you can link to Vyasa is Ketu. Ketu is said to be an incarnation of Rudra. So is Vyasa (that is why Vyasa is worshipped with the Mrityuanjaya beeja). Ketu stands for Masya (fish) incarnation of Vishnu, in which Vedas were saved. Vyasa also saved the knowledge of Vedas by dividing them for Kali Yuga. Jupiter and Ketu are more apt for Vyasa than Mercury. May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha > Aum Namah Shivaya > > Dear group, > > One thing I need to mention here is linking Vyasa Deva to Budha > graha. It may be controversial. Except this, most other points are > non-controversial and accepted as authentic by most people. I am open > to change my introduction regarding Budha graha, depending on the > feedback. While it is more easy to accept Vyasa for Jupiter (because > of Vyasa being the great Master,the GURU OF GURUS),it should not be > forgotten that Vamana is accepted universally for Jupite. The > variation is only with Budha graha. Like I said earlier, Balarama, > Buddha and Vyasa could be among other considerations here, from > various sources. Or I could drop the reference to any graha itself, > to avoid getting caught in a controversy. But originally this > paragraph had to be there since I copiled stories for all the grahas, > their deities etc from mythology. Apart from this possible > controversy, I feel that the remaining contents are relatively ok > from a traditional point of view. Any constructive feedback will be > appreciated, especially those who are familiar with the ORIGINAL > LITERATURE AND TRADITIONS. > > Regards, > Satya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2002 Report Share Posted September 12, 2002 Aum Namah Shivaya! Namaste Narasimha ji Thanks for the feedback. Like I said, I am open to change this part of the introduction depending on some feedback. Of course I am not convinced really with this and hence solicited any constructive feedback or guidance. But with Matsya avatar and Vamana being agreed upon universally by all the Puranas and Upapuranas, with the other nine avatars corresponding to Parasara's list, the variations arise only with one name. As you know Buddha, Balarama, Vyasa etc are the names preferred by various sources instead of the Buddha. So except for Buddha, Parasara's list is actually agreed upon by most sources. So I was wondering which avatar should be given instead of the Buddha. Moreover if I decide to retain the Buddha's name in the list, I would be in a very awkward position of having to choose between being faithful in my narration to the puranas (which means that I have to portray the Buddha as having DELIBERATELY MISLEAD the people and creating confusion by teaching a false way!) or risk being DIFFERENT from the puranas in my narration of the Buddha's life and PURPOSE by writing his teachings, his message in his own words. As I already stated the purpose of writing these stories- It is to make people aware of the the life and message of the avatar while simultaneously giving an easy way to meditate on the QUALITIES, EXPRESSION AND MANIFESTATION of the graha. As you know Parayana (devout reading) of the lives of saints and avatars is a very popular remedy. So I started compiling myths and stories of the grahas and their corresponding deities etc. At the same time I also thought that weaving in their MESSAGE at appropriate places within the narration, would be even more effective because the teachings sink into the mind. Moreover it gives the reader a chance to re-live the myth and actually meditate on the qualities of the graha, the higher manifestation of the graha. With all this in the background, including the Buddha's name put me in an awkward situation. But I wanted to be as close to Parasara as possible (with the grahas and avatars) and of course faithful to the spirit of the Puranas in my narration. So if at all, an avatar INSTEAD OF THE BUDDHA FOR BUDHA (MERCURY) is to be taken. Moreover an avatar that corresponds to Budha graha and whose life is inspiring and holds a message for all. Any help in this regard will be appreciated. As for Vyasa Maharsi himself, I think this can be a seperate work by itself, with no reference to any graha. Though originally when I started writing the stories for the grahas it started with considering Vyasa deva, eventually I realised that a full length tribute to Him is more befitting, as a full work in itself. I ended up with matter enough for a hundred pages, but wrote only 60 pages so far. As I said in my earlier post, I would appreciate feedback of this sort. Because I dont want to do anything that is against the tradition in THIS SORT OF WORK IN A MAJOR WAY. I am still wondering as to the alternate choice for Mercury. I am posting a chapter from the Planetary myth book to give an idea of what kind of stories you will find in the book. For instance under Mars you will find: 1.Virabhadra's story (apart from the puranas, sometimes I have considered variations from other works- like Charaka Samhita in this case, because it brings out the medical astrology part) 2. Kartikeya's stories (standard deity) 3. Narasimha avatar (from Dasa avatars) Now I have to get back to work. It is 10 am here in Australia. I am posting two other chapters (rough drafts) one as an introduction to sacred myth, the other as an introduction to sacred myth in the traditional context (puranas etc) If there is any other feedback from you or anyone else, I will be able to reply by Monday. BTW please refer to me by name as Satya. Regards, Satya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2002 Report Share Posted September 13, 2002 Aum Namah Shivaya Dear Sri Sanjay ji Thanks for the feedback and comments. As you remarked Balarama seems to be fine. I may go with that if I do not include the Buddha. Or still better, I could include both. Regards, Satya vedic astrology, "Sanjay Rath" <srath@s...> wrote: > Om Namo Bhagavate Vaasudevaya > Dear Dr Choudhary > The nine avatar given by Parasara reflect the natures of the planets and to that extent are correct in portraying the deities as the ISTA DEVATA (i.e. the nine avatar for the nine planets and if Lagna is in the 12th from Karakamsa, the Kalki avatar is indicated). This is not disputed. > > However, when it comes to Dharma Devata and Moksha, the duel between Parasurama & Ganesha resulting in Ganesha losing one tusk and other such portrayal of Parasurama vis-a-vis Rama as well as the Buddha avatar speaking against the Vedas for the time being to remove the people from the animal sacrifices etc prevalent in the times in the misunderstanding of the Vedas has resulted in their worship not being performed. The Puranas also corroborate this point. Thus, the difference lies in the DHARMA DEVATA and for this purpose, it is necessary that the avatar should have always worked to protect DHARMA. When Parasurama went around destroying the Kshatriyas, only those who worshipped Ganesha survived the onslaught. The relationship between Mokshakaraka Ganesha and Moksha goal Vishnu is intricately wound. When Vyasadeva started narrating the Puranas and other epics, Ganesha took the responsibility of ensuring an unbroken and clear documentation. Thus, when it comes to Venus and Mercury in the ninth from Karakamsa, the DHARMA DEVATA cannot be Parasurama & Buddha. The avatar chosen at Puri are Balabhadra & Sudarshana. However, the latter is definitely not a Vishnu avatar. Balabhadra or Balaram for Mercury seems fine as Revati His spouse is the 27th nakshatra in Pisces and He is associated with agriculture (patron deity) as Haladhara. > > Looking forward to your contributions. > With best wishes > Sanjay Rath > http://sanjayrath.tripod.com > > Dr Satya Prakash Choudhary [satyaprakasika] > Friday, September 13, 2002 5:54 AM > vedic astrology > [vedic astrology] Re: Vyasa deva and Budha > > > Aum Namah Shivaya! > > Namaste Narasimha ji > > Thanks for the feedback. Like I said, I am open to change this part > of the introduction depending on some feedback. Of course I am not > convinced really with this and hence solicited any constructive > feedback or guidance. But with Matsya avatar and Vamana being agreed > upon universally by all the Puranas and Upapuranas, with the other > nine avatars corresponding to Parasara's list, the variations arise > only with one name. As you know Buddha, Balarama, Vyasa etc are the > names preferred by various sources instead of the Buddha. So except > for Buddha, Parasara's list is actually agreed upon by most sources. > So I was wondering which avatar should be given instead of the > Buddha. Moreover if I decide to retain the Buddha's name in the list, > I would be in a very awkward position of having to choose between > being faithful in my narration to the puranas (which means that I > have to portray the Buddha as having DELIBERATELY MISLEAD the people > and creating confusion by teaching a false way!) or risk being > DIFFERENT from the puranas in my narration of the Buddha's life and > PURPOSE by writing his teachings, his message in his own words. > > As I already stated the purpose of writing these stories- It is to > make people aware of the the life and message of the avatar while > simultaneously giving an easy way to meditate on the QUALITIES, > EXPRESSION AND MANIFESTATION of the graha. As you know Parayana > (devout reading) of the lives of saints and avatars is a very popular > remedy. So I started compiling myths and stories of the grahas and > their corresponding deities etc. At the same time I also thought that > weaving in their MESSAGE at appropriate places within the narration, > would be even more effective because the teachings sink into the > mind. Moreover it gives the reader a chance to re-live the myth and > actually meditate on the qualities of the graha, the higher > manifestation of the graha. > > With all this in the background, including the Buddha's name put me > in an awkward situation. But I wanted to be as close to Parasara as > possible (with the grahas and avatars) and of course faithful to the > spirit of the Puranas in my narration. So if at all, an avatar > INSTEAD OF THE BUDDHA FOR BUDHA (MERCURY) is to be taken. Moreover an > avatar that corresponds to Budha graha and whose life is inspiring > and holds a message for all. > > Any help in this regard will be appreciated. As for Vyasa Maharsi > himself, I think this can be a seperate work by itself, with no > reference to any graha. Though originally when I started writing the > stories for the grahas it started with considering Vyasa deva, > eventually I realised that a full length tribute to Him is more > befitting, as a full work in itself. I ended up with matter enough > for a hundred pages, but wrote only 60 pages so far. > As I said in my earlier post, I would appreciate feedback of this > sort. Because I dont want to do anything that is against the > tradition in THIS SORT OF WORK IN A MAJOR WAY. I am still wondering > as to the alternate choice for Mercury. I am posting a chapter from > the Planetary myth book to give an idea of what kind of stories you > will find in the book. > > For instance under Mars you will find: > 1.Virabhadra's story (apart from the puranas, sometimes I have > considered variations from other works- like Charaka Samhita in this > case, because it brings out the medical astrology part) > 2. Kartikeya's stories (standard deity) > 3. Narasimha avatar (from Dasa avatars) > > Now I have to get back to work. It is 10 am here in Australia. I am > posting two other chapters (rough drafts) one as an introduction to > sacred myth, the other as an introduction to sacred myth in the > traditional context (puranas etc) > > If there is any other feedback from you or anyone else, I will be > able to reply by Monday. BTW please refer to me by name as Satya. > > Regards, > Satya > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-@e... > > ....... 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