What Can Astrologers Learn From Sep 11?

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Hello All,

 

With the week of the first anniversary of Sep 11

drawing to a close, I thought now would be a good time

to raise some issues, ask a few rhetorical questions

and make a few suggestions about the State of

Astrology, in light of the past year's events.

 

Without question, Astrology has come a very long way

in the past century; with the aid of computer

technology, complex calculations are now completed in

mere seconds; we can now warehouse immense amounts of

horoscope data; and we can experiment with totally

brand new techniques that were not even known to such

greats in Astrology as Evangeline Adams and Dane

Rudhyar (Astrocartography would be among one of the

newer techniques). In addition, the Century of

Psychology has greatly augmented our Craft; planets

evolved from mere harbingers of events into symbols of

potential. These two major advancements - technology

and psychology - have given Astrology that much-needed

push into the 21st Century. As a result, there has

been a renewed interest in the Celestial Sciences not

seen since the late 60s, or even the turn of the

century - the 20th century, during Ms. Adams' time.

Computer programs, the Internet and better written

books have made Astrology, of all forms, more

accessible to the general public than at any other

time in the History of the Human Race.

 

But there is still the issue of Prediction - being

able to foretell an event or series of events, with

some degree of specificity, before it/they happens.

For all of Astrology's evolution, with all of its

computer-assisted precision and sophistication, this

key aspect of our Science still remains at the heart

of what we do. And, it is my contention, that Sep 11,

2001, the events of that day, has, and I think

rightly, brought this fundamental issue of Prediction

back to the forefront of discourse and if need be,

debate, within the World Astrological Community.

 

Astrology, and those that practice it, faces a serious

issue here - for, as far as the public is concerned,

the acid test of our Art lies in its ability (or the

lack thereof) to predict events of such massive scope.

To date, there is no article, lecture or statement

from any Astrologer that I know of (and I am immersed

in both the Western and Vedic Astrological Worlds,

have been for at least 4 years now) that foretold of a

Terrorist Attack on the United States beforehand. What

we all DID see, was all manner of articles, lectures

and statements made by Astrologers of all stripes,

about what had ALREADY had occured. This creates a

significant problem for us, in the All-World

Astrological Community, for if we cannot or will not

refine our Predictive Ability in this area, Astrology

will have failed its mandate - that of improving the

Human Condition.

 

There are those in the Astrological Community, that

will read this, and will attempt to downplay or in

some other way try to sidestep my comments today. They

do so at great risk of harming Astrology even further,

for it is my contention that Astrology CAN give us the

tools we need to foretell of such calamities before

they occur. Afterall, this is the idea that has

existed and currently persists in Medical Astrology -

to be able to give early warning of the onset of an

illness before they happen. This gives the patient the

ability to plan ahead, to avert what is surely to

come. The same thing holds true, here in the area of

what has become known as Mundane Astrology.

 

In Jan of 2001, I wrote an extensive article on the

first 100 days of the Bush Administration. Written

about a week before Bush was inaugurated, I clearly

stated that military action could take place in early

Sep or shortly afterward. I also stated that he (Bush)

would be forced to enter the fray occuring in the

Middle East, bewteen the Israelis and Palestinians. I

was correct on both counts - but, like the rest of my

colleagues, I totally missed the signals that

manifested themselves in the form of 19 men flying

planes into American buildings. It was an ey-opening

experience for me; my Astrological senses were awash

in new info, new ways of looking at things, and my

mind raced to consider things that, and I think this

is fair to say of most of us, I had never even thought

of before.

 

I think Sep 11 has given us in the Astrological

Community a great opportunity to assist Humanity in so

many ways - for example, we can assemble the language

of Astrology to fashion for us a Terrorist Profile,

from Astrological point of view. We can research past

incidences of terrorism around the world, discern what

common factors exist there, and come up with a "Early

Warning System" Astrologically. We can then taken this

along with other pieces of Astrological evidence, and

present this to the general public. Think of the

horrors that yet to come, how they can be averted.

 

For me, these things can be done. The Question is, do

we, in the All-World Astrological Community, have the

WILL to do it? Can we find a way to work together, to

get this done? Are we willing to put the work in to do

it? And if so, when? And if not, why?

 

What have we Astrologers, learned from Sep 11?

 

We'll see...

 

Salaam,

Mu

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Imran,

 

So you found a gambling, insincere, lecherous, smoking, drinking,

meat-eating guy with a chart identical to Sanjay's *except* the

lagna and moon?

 

Since the lagna stands for the self and moon the mind, what you

should've been saying is that your friend has everything in common

with Sanjay, *except* his body and mind. Most of us would've found

that a lot easier to accept.

 

Words, like glasses, tend to blur everything that they can't see

 

Warm regards,

 

Ramapriya

 

 

vedic astrology, Muhammad Imran <astroimran> wrote:

>

> Dear and respected list,

> Hello,

> A nice endeavour with many queries made by Mumin, which has to be

answered by the astrologers of our times. No doubt the advancement

of digital technologies, better availibility of communications and

new developed techniques all enhanced the weight of astrology among

other sciences in a very short span of period. But what about the

accuracy of prediction? Now-a-days a great number of astrologers

were failed to increase to at least remain the precision rate of

prediction specially in case of mundane affairs which itself a tough

task. Almost all the astrologers in their magazines/ad put the

details of their predictions which come true, but no one truely

enlist the detail of his predictions proved falls. Whereas the

Sattavik behaviour demands the neccessity of self-accountability.

> What is necessary for a good forcast or a true prediction:

Intuation, Inborn psychic power, sound knowledge, good judgment and

analysis, accurate enumeration, or any thing else?

> Here, I want to elloborate an interesting and amazinging real life

examlple regarding prediction and predicting power. Among my

acquaintance there are few astrologers, I am putting the case of two

interesting ones. First (A) knows vedic astrology very well, even

can teach, he is well versed in medicine, toxication, and ayurvedh(

but couldn't complete his B.Sc) he is vegetarian(instead of being a

muslim), never gambled, never made any illicit relation, never drunk

even does not smoke and take coffee. But unfortunately his many

predictions come to failure and he is suffering many ways. Why?

> On the contrary, there is another friend (B), does not know

astrology except few fundamental rules, although ordinarily educated

but many learned and government officers come to him for taking

advice. Brought forth in a mediocre family but in the second phase

of his life he grew and arose astonishingly, as an actor, producer

and a fortune teller. He is addictted to meat, often drinks and a

chain smoker. He himself admits he had hundreds of illicit relations

and always in search of "new one". Speculation is the part of his

daily life, and lots of gamblers consult him before palying. And

amazingly many of his predictions come true, I personally observe

this fact. Why? I could not find the truth so far. Beside all this,

I found dumb when I saw birth chart (of B), identical to Sanjay

Rath, except Lagna and Moon.

> Have we any answer?

> Regards

> M.Imran

> Mu'Min Bey wrote: Hello All,

>

> With the week of the first anniversary of Sep 11

> drawing to a close, I thought now would be a good time

> to raise some issues, ask a few rhetorical questions

> and make a few suggestions about the State of

> Astrology, in light of the past year's events.

>

> Without question, Astrology has come a very long way

> in the past century; with the aid of computer

> technology, complex calculations are now completed in

> mere seconds; we can now warehouse immense amounts of

> horoscope data; and we can experiment with totally

> brand new techniques that were not even known to such

> greats in Astrology as Evangeline Adams and Dane

> Rudhyar (Astrocartography would be among one of the

> newer techniques). In addition, the Century of

> Psychology has greatly augmented our Craft; planets

> evolved from mere harbingers of events into symbols of

> potential. These two major advancements - technology

> and psychology - have given Astrology that much-needed

> push into the 21st Century. As a result, there has

> been a renewed interest in the Celestial Sciences not

> seen since the late 60s, or even the turn of the

> century - the 20th century, during Ms. Adams' time.

> Computer programs, the Internet and better written

> books have made Astrology, of all forms, more

> accessible to the general public than at any other

> time in the History of the Human Race.

>

> But there is still the issue of Prediction - being

> able to foretell an event or series of events, with

> some degree of specificity, before it/they happens.

> For all of Astrology's evolution, with all of its

> computer-assisted precision and sophistication, this

> key aspect of our Science still remains at the heart

> of what we do. And, it is my contention, that Sep 11,

> 2001, the events of that day, has, and I think

> rightly, brought this fundamental issue of Prediction

> back to the forefront of discourse and if need be,

> debate, within the World Astrological Community.

>

> Astrology, and those that practice it, faces a serious

> issue here - for, as far as the public is concerned,

> the acid test of our Art lies in its ability (or the

> lack thereof) to predict events of such massive scope.

> To date, there is no article, lecture or statement

> from any Astrologer that I know of (and I am immersed

> in both the Western and Vedic Astrological Worlds,

> have been for at least 4 years now) that foretold of a

> Terrorist Attack on the United States beforehand. What

> we all DID see, was all manner of articles, lectures

> and statements made by Astrologers of all stripes,

> about what had ALREADY had occured. This creates a

> significant problem for us, in the All-World

> Astrological Community, for if we cannot or will not

> refine our Predictive Ability in this area, Astrology

> will have failed its mandate - that of improving the

> Human Condition.

>

> There are those in the Astrological Community, that

> will read this, and will attempt to downplay or in

> some other way try to sidestep my comments today. They

> do so at great risk of harming Astrology even further,

> for it is my contention that Astrology CAN give us the

> tools we need to foretell of such calamities before

> they occur. Afterall, this is the idea that has

> existed and currently persists in Medical Astrology -

> to be able to give early warning of the onset of an

> illness before they happen. This gives the patient the

> ability to plan ahead, to avert what is surely to

> come. The same thing holds true, here in the area of

> what has become known as Mundane Astrology.

>

> In Jan of 2001, I wrote an extensive article on the

> first 100 days of the Bush Administration. Written

> about a week before Bush was inaugurated, I clearly

> stated that military action could take place in early

> Sep or shortly afterward. I also stated that he (Bush)

> would be forced to enter the fray occuring in the

> Middle East, bewteen the Israelis and Palestinians. I

> was correct on both counts - but, like the rest of my

> colleagues, I totally missed the signals that

> manifested themselves in the form of 19 men flying

> planes into American buildings. It was an ey-opening

> experience for me; my Astrological senses were awash

> in new info, new ways of looking at things, and my

> mind raced to consider things that, and I think this

> is fair to say of most of us, I had never even thought

> of before.

>

> I think Sep 11 has given us in the Astrological

> Community a great opportunity to assist Humanity in so

> many ways - for example, we can assemble the language

> of Astrology to fashion for us a Terrorist Profile,

> from Astrological point of view. We can research past

> incidences of terrorism around the world, discern what

> common factors exist there, and come up with a "Early

> Warning System" Astrologically. We can then taken this

> along with other pieces of Astrological evidence, and

> present this to the general public. Think of the

> horrors that yet to come, how they can be averted.

>

> For me, these things can be done. The Question is, do

> we, in the All-World Astrological Community, have the

> WILL to do it? Can we find a way to work together, to

> get this done? Are we willing to put the work in to do

> it? And if so, when? And if not, why?

>

> What have we Astrologers, learned from Sep 11?

>

> We'll see...

>

> Salaam,

> Mu

>

>

>

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Dear IMRAN !!!

Interesting matter yes !!! Mohamed prophet son was executed & the oders were

given by his fater ,100 lashes...for 50 lashes he died & the executors came again

what does the law say he died for 50 lashes ,mohamed prophet asked to bury him &

hit it on the nuried one ,it is not history it is HIS Story !!!

that is the reason still the laws in saudi are so stringent.......because Mohamed

Prophet preached & practised the same.........

 

Best Regards

Srinagesh

 

Sanjay Rath wrote:

 

 

Om Namo Bhagavate Vaasudevaya

Dear Imran

interesting matter. Can we see the charts? Especially case (B).

Although the perception that Case A being veg, and a puritan is suffering and

case B consuming all evils is enjoying is a notion of the mind. What one enjoys

and suffers is a consequence of past karma whereas being veg etc is the seed for

future karma. Thus case B loses his merits everyday by misusing the blessings

while Case A is living through the results of bad karma of the past and is

also sowing the seeds for good karma in future. The mind is very elusive and

the Prophet used to meditate late into the night to bring this mind into

control. The greatest of saints meditate into the late night (called Tureeya

Gayatri) for this purpose.

With best wishes

Sanjay Rath

http://sanjayrath.tripod.com

Muhammad Imran

[astroimran ]Monday, September 16, 2002 4:14 PMTo:

vedic astrologySubject: Re: [vedic astrology] What Can

Astrologers Learn From Sep 11?

Dear and respected list, Hello, A nice endeavour with many queries made by

Mumin, which has to be answered by the astrologers of our times. No doubt the

advancement of digital technologies, better availibility of communications and

new developed techniques all enhanced the weight of astrology among other

sciences in a very short span of period. But what about the accuracy of

prediction? Now-a-days a great number of astrologers were failed to increase to

at least remain the precision rate of prediction specially in case of mundane

affairs which itself a tough task. Almost all the astrologers in their

magazines/ad put the details of their predictions which come true, but no one

truely enlist the detail of his predictions proved falls. Whereas the Sattavik

behaviour demands the neccessity of self-accountability. What is necessary for

a good forcast or a true prediction: Intuation, Inborn psychic power, sound

knowledge, good judgment and analysis, accurate enumeration, or any thing else?

Here, I want to elloborate an interesting and amazinging real life examlple

regarding prediction and predicting power. Among my acquaintance there are few

astrologers, I am putting the case of two interesting ones. First (A) knows

vedic astrology very well, even can teach, he is well versed in medicine,

toxication, and ayurvedh( but couldn't complete his B.Sc) he is

vegetarian(instead of being a muslim), never gambled, never made any illicit

relation, never drunk even does not smoke and take coffee. But unfortunately

his many predictions come to failure and he is suffering many ways. Why? On the

contrary, there is another friend (B), does not know astrology except few

fundamental rules, although ordinarily educated but many learned and government

officers come to him for taking advice. Brought forth in a mediocre family but

in the second phase of his life he grew and arose astonishingly, as an actor,

producer and a fortune teller. He is addictted to meat, often drinks and a

chain smoker. He himself admits he had hundreds of illicit relations and always

in search of "new one". Speculation is the part of his daily life, and lots of

gamblers consult him before palying. And amazingly many of his predictions come

true, I personally observe this fact. Why? I could not find the truth so far.

Beside all this, I found dumb when I saw birth chart (of B), identical to

Sanjay Rath, except Lagna and Moon. Have we any answer? Regards M.Imran

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It is not for me to comment on ethics of posting in this list. That

is for the moderators. Also, be it far from me to judge motives.

 

However, I would be interested in knowing the connection between

Imran's post and your response. The story about Prophet Mohammed's

life or Saudi Arabia's laws and regulations are irrelevant to the

question posted. Myself and many others agree with the questions of

Imran and Pundit Sanjayji gave a good explanation. Mundane astrology

and ethics/moral life of astrologers and its effect on their

intuitive powers, etc are valid questions.

 

Thanks & regards,

-Siva.

 

vedic astrology, vankateshwara srinagesh <sri999>

wrote:

>

>

> Dear IMRAN !!!

> Interesting matter yes !!! Mohamed prophet son was executed & the

oders were

> given by his fater ,100 lashes...for 50 lashes he died & the

executors came again

> what does the law say he died for 50 lashes ,mohamed prophet asked

to bury him &

> hit it on the nuried one ,it is not history it is HIS Story !!!

> that is the reason still the laws in saudi are so

stringent.......because Mohamed

> Prophet preached & practised the same.........

>

> Best Regards

> Srinagesh

>

> Sanjay Rath wrote: Om Namo Bhagavate VaasudevayaDear

Imraninteresting matter. Can we see the charts? Especially case (B).

Although the perception that Case A being veg, and a puritan is

suffering and case B consuming all evils is enjoying is a notion of

the mind. What one enjoys and suffers is a consequence of past karma

whereas being veg etc is the seed for future karma. Thus case B loses

his merits everyday by misusing the blessings while Case A is living

through the results of bad karma of the past and is also sowing the

seeds for good karma in future. The mind is very elusive and the

Prophet used to meditate late into the night to bring this mind into

control. The greatest of saints meditate into the late night (called

Tureeya Gayatri) for this purpose.With best wishesSanjay

Rathhttp://sanjayrath.tripod.com

> Muhammad Imran [astroimran]

> Monday, September 16, 2002 4:14 PM

> vedic astrology

> Re: [vedic astrology] What Can Astrologers Learn From Sep

11?

>

>

> Dear and respected list,

> Hello,

> A nice endeavour with many queries made by Mumin, which has to be

answered by the astrologers of our times. No doubt the advancement of

digital technologies, better availibility of communications and new

developed techniques all enhanced the weight of astrology among other

sciences in a very short span of period. But what about the accuracy

of prediction? Now-a-days a great number of astrologers were failed

to increase to at least remain the precision rate of prediction

specially in case of mundane affairs which itself a tough task.

Almost all the astrologers in their magazines/ad put the details of

their predictions which come true, but no one truely enlist the

detail of his predictions proved falls. Whereas the Sattavik

behaviour demands the neccessity of self-accountability.

> What is necessary for a good forcast or a true prediction:

Intuation, Inborn psychic power, sound knowledge, good judgment and

analysis, accurate enumeration, or any thing else?

> Here, I want to elloborate an interesting and amazinging real life

examlple regarding prediction and predicting power. Among my

acquaintance there are few astrologers, I am putting the case of two

interesting ones. First (A) knows vedic astrology very well, even can

teach, he is well versed in medicine, toxication, and ayurvedh( but

couldn't complete his B.Sc) he is vegetarian(instead of being a

muslim), never gambled, never made any illicit relation, never drunk

even does not smoke and take coffee. But unfortunately his many

predictions come to failure and he is suffering many ways. Why?

> On the contrary, there is another friend (B), does not know

astrology except few fundamental rules, although ordinarily educated

but many learned and government officers come to him for taking

advice. Brought forth in a mediocre family but in the second phase of

his life he grew and arose astonishingly, as an actor, producer and a

fortune teller. He is addictted to meat, often drinks and a chain

smoker. He himself admits he had hundreds of illicit relations and

always in search of "new one". Speculation is the part of his daily

life, and lots of gamblers consult him before palying. And amazingly

many of his predictions come true, I personally observe this fact.

Why? I could not find the truth so far. Beside all this, I found dumb

when I saw birth chart (of B), identical to Sanjay Rath, except Lagna

and Moon.

> Have we any answer?

> Regards

> M.Imran

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