Guest guest Posted September 27, 2002 Report Share Posted September 27, 2002 Om Gurave Namah Dear Rajinder, Your english is a strain to my eyes and my mind. Please do a grammatical check so that we understand your view point better. Atleast i have no idea what you are getting at. Regds Hari vedic astrology, Rajinder Nath <jinderman> wrote: > > > > dear learned member, > i am not against or in favour of astrology i think > only calculative part indicate pattren of thought > of native but no one for sure predict the future > timeing of event in ones life 100%so if one go to > astrologer get all feed into fear and nagativety does > astrologer play any role in to making a person worse > or not.tomorrow remain uncertain for ever. > > > is it true where a predictive astrology fail some > yoga take place and so many have different chart > and during pralaye all vanish for some reason or > other. > so basic truth is even our curiosity make us to look > into > future tru astrology still it did not change much of > the outcome we have to go tru what is in our lot. > of course as any system there has to be some motive > to start a system some wise would have wise motive and > > greedy will have a srong will to use less strong will > people and they might even take the shelter of wise > system look what happen to religion teach us to love > each other. > just like medicine work so is suuggestion that a > famous doctor gave you best prescription and might > work on > your week mind and fix the symptom. > so the point is if you go to astrologer any good and > bad advice could play part on your being and may be > sage has looked into tendancy indicated by some > combination of planet on one chart into there thougt > pattern. > also they said each individull g has a spexcial role > on this earthn to play and we all could find salvation > if we had faith in ourselves first. > sometime ago i looked a instrument in a ship made out > of spexcial metal it is used in old ship as a > instrument for communication and when sun shines on it > > a point is made like stalite bouncing light back at > that point it will make heat so strong even stiill > will melt i forget name of the instrument . > so it is posible if sun light refelect on our > personenl chart like differwent degree of othe o > planet so onm we get burned by thoses same aspect . > point i want to make is waht ever is wriiten or done > is > myth as sage say life is dream and why we want to know > what will be in our dream let it come as it please. > there was a beutiful poem by kabir sent by one of > reader peteR richard > moksa neti neti > .awareness alone will overcome illusion > rajinder > `` > > > > > > New DSL Internet Access from SBC & > http://sbc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2002 Report Share Posted September 27, 2002 Don't put your Taurus where your Scorpio is, mate. It's all I can say. Ramapriya - "Rajinder Nath" <jinderman <vedic astrology> Cc: <satyaprakasika Saturday, September 28, 2002 8:11 AM [vedic astrology] bhu mritu yoga > > > > dear learned member, > i am not against or in favour of astrology i think > only calculative part indicate pattren of thought > of native but no one for sure predict the future > timeing of event in ones life 100%so if one go to > astrologer get all feed into fear and nagativety does > astrologer play any role in to making a person worse > or not.tomorrow remain uncertain for ever. > > > is it true where a predictive astrology fail some > yoga take place and so many have different chart > and during pralaye all vanish for some reason or > other. > so basic truth is even our curiosity make us to look > into > future tru astrology still it did not change much of > the outcome we have to go tru what is in our lot. > of course as any system there has to be some motive > to start a system some wise would have wise motive and > > greedy will have a srong will to use less strong will > people and they might even take the shelter of wise > system look what happen to religion teach us to love > each other. > just like medicine work so is suuggestion that a > famous doctor gave you best prescription and might > work on > your week mind and fix the symptom. > so the point is if you go to astrologer any good and > bad advice could play part on your being and may be > sage has looked into tendancy indicated by some > combination of planet on one chart into there thougt > pattern. > also they said each individull g has a spexcial role > on this earthn to play and we all could find salvation > if we had faith in ourselves first. > sometime ago i looked a instrument in a ship made out > of spexcial metal it is used in old ship as a > instrument for communication and when sun shines on it > > a point is made like stalite bouncing light back at > that point it will make heat so strong even stiill > will melt i forget name of the instrument . > so it is posible if sun light refelect on our > personenl chart like differwent degree of othe o > planet so onm we get burned by thoses same aspect . > point i want to make is waht ever is wriiten or done > is > myth as sage say life is dream and why we want to know > what will be in our dream let it come as it please. > there was a beutiful poem by kabir sent by one of > reader peteR richard > moksa neti neti > .awareness alone will overcome illusion > rajinder > `` > > > > > > New DSL Internet Access from SBC & > http://sbc. > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2002 Report Share Posted September 27, 2002 Om Krishna Guru ============ Dear Hari and friends, While it is true that Rajinder's email *really* was a strain, as you have pointed out, what Rajinder was trying to say was surmised [by me] to be the following: 1) That Rajinder is not in favor or against astrology, as he believes that if anyone goes to an astrologer for prediction, remedy, etc., it may or may not help the person [actually I think he tried to say that it may make the person worst with fear and/or negativity]. 2) Rajinder also thinks [i believe] that no one can foresee the future with absolute prediction [with or without Jyotish], as even with the aid of these [or lack of it], the future remains uncertain [perhaps due to doubt or suspicion ???]. 3) Rajinder thinks [or believes] that even with accurate predictive astrology [here I think Rajinder is just being unbiased and not attacking Vedic Jyotish, as he does seem to give credit to predictive astrology], when the outcome [for event, person] is different; compared to what was predicted, there *may* be a special yoga which affected the outcome. He talks about disappearances [i am not sure who disappears] during Pralaya [a Sanskrit word that may mean flood, destruction, etc. for a region or for whole --- correct me on this Sanskrit term as it is vague in my mind] and that remains unexplained [for him]. --Note to Rajinder: Dear Rajinder, even Brahma [the creator himself] will perish and will be replaced by another Brahma, so don't take misfortune, destruction and negativity seriously :-) End note-- 4) In his later examples of diagnosis by a celebrated doctor/surgeon [as opposed to say an intern] may or may not help the patient [perhaps he is trying to focus on the psychological implications that may affect the cure or whatever]. 5) In his yet later example of old navigational equipment that reflected Sun's rays for some distant communication, he is [perhaps] trying to emphasize that too much power, knowledge, bla bla bla, is not good in the long run [this he equates with Sun burning and melting the metal of the navigational equipment that was itself designed to use Sun's rays to communicate -- and thus render the equipment dysfunctional]. I think, he is trying to say that "nothing is more spectacular than to see the failure of spectacular success". 6) As a summary of his message, he seems to be pointing at Sages and the ancient Vedic Scriptures [or for that matter even Buddhism; that is similar], who remind us that life is but a dream [and therefore, Rajinder is perhaps emphasizing Maya that we all have]. Rajinder is further pointing to awareness and comparing it with dreams. In fact, Rajinder has used a very beautiful simile of our life with dreams. He contends that we do not *plan* our dreams [and I am not sure if we really can. Perhaps one way to have good dreams would be to think about or meditate with focus on God before sleep], and the dreams *just* flow through in our sleep. I think, he is trying to say that we should accept what comes in our life [with or without knowing the future] and gain awareness by whatever [lessons] we learn. Finally, I think Rajinder is ALSO pointing towards Moksha, as everyone should, for final liberation. Now on to my personal message with regards to above: 1) I merely interpreted and to a certain extent tried to translate what *I thought Rajinder's message conveyed*. 2) I could be wrong [even totally wrong] in understanding whatever Rajinder was trying to say. 3) I personally do not think Rajinder was attacking Jyotish or anyone at this group [or rather in broad terms - religion, race, thought patterns, etc.]. 4) I personally think Rajinder *tried* to put some beautiful thoughts in his email [though I am not sure what prompted him to compose the email]. 5) Finally, Rajinder tried to promote Moksha, that in itself is a very good part of his message, as that is WHAT we are here to learn from Gurudeva and Gurujis at this and other venues. Well... On a further thought, I think Rajinder's email is not exactly related to Jyotish, therefore, Rajinder, I think it would be better to drop this thread or just discuss such views via private email with those who are interested. A kind request to all members : Not everyone is proficient with languages and of course not everyone's Mercury would be similar in all charts. I believe we must have empathy for our differences. Many thanks in advance. With that... please convey my best regards to all your loved ones ever and you all take care too. Have a nice weekend :-) Om Namo Narayana ============== Kind regards, Ron Bach a.k.a. GlobeTrekker hari_aditya108 wrote: > Om Gurave Namah > > Dear Rajinder, > > Your english is a strain to my eyes and my mind. Please do a > grammatical check so that we understand your view point better. > Atleast i have no idea what you are getting at. > > Regds > > Hari > > > > > vedic astrology, Rajinder Nath <jinderman> wrote: > > > > > > dear learned member, > > i am not against or in favour of astrology i think > > only calculative part indicate pattren of thought > > of native but no one for sure predict the future > > timeing of event in ones life 100%so if one go to > > astrologer get all feed into fear and nagativety does > > astrologer play any role in to making a person worse > > or not.tomorrow remain uncertain for ever. > > > > > > is it true where a predictive astrology fail some > > yoga take place and so many have different chart > > and during pralaye all vanish for some reason or > > other. > > so basic truth is even our curiosity make us to look > > into > > future tru astrology still it did not change much of > > the outcome we have to go tru what is in our lot. > > of course as any system there has to be some motive > > to start a system some wise would have wise motive and > > > > greedy will have a srong will to use less strong will > > people and they might even take the shelter of wise > > system look what happen to religion teach us to love > > each other. > > just like medicine work so is suuggestion that a > > famous doctor gave you best prescription and might > > work on > > your week mind and fix the symptom. > > so the point is if you go to astrologer any good and > > bad advice could play part on your being and may be > > sage has looked into tendancy indicated by some > > combination of planet on one chart into there thougt > > pattern. > > also they said each individull g has a spexcial role > > on this earthn to play and we all could find salvation > > if we had faith in ourselves first. > > sometime ago i looked a instrument in a ship made out > > of spexcial metal it is used in old ship as a > > instrument for communication and when sun shines on it > > > > a point is made like stalite bouncing light back at > > that point it will make heat so strong even stiill > > will melt i forget name of the instrument . > > so it is posible if sun light refelect on our > > personenl chart like differwent degree of othe o > > planet so onm we get burned by thoses same aspect . > > point i want to make is waht ever is wriiten or done > > is > > myth as sage say life is dream and why we want to know > > what will be in our dream let it come as it please. > > there was a beutiful poem by kabir sent by one of > > reader peteR richard > > moksa neti neti > > .awareness alone will overcome illusion > > rajinder > > `` Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2002 Report Share Posted September 28, 2002 dear hari bhai, i will tri to improve my grammer it is like i am speaking and word does not come back to to my mouth stay there. and rarely check what ever i posted. sorry, in future i will look what i have written. and rampriya message always want me to be in his friend circle and some one i want to talk is silence perhaps he is looking language of myth spoken by sage to convince me predictive astrology is also science. thanks the one who out my scatterd thought grab the idea that astrology basic purpose is to point to us our real self which is beyound the effect of planet. this could creat satyuga again on the earth if astrology leave the non essential part of day by day effect of planet on our desire for material life and point us to the unity of the universe.hopefully we all cuold leave this world smiling moksha for sometime. that is the purpose of this creation by brahma. ramana maharishi once explain frog stay near the lotus flower and never know the secret to get best part of it and bee comes from for away and sucks the most sweet part of it. and my friend ramapriya taurus and scorpio is always there you have to widen your out look. one is secretive hidden other outspoken and visible but is both out there in the same circle. one time swami vivekanand said god is like circle whoes center is everywhere and outer circle has no boundries.some one pointed inherited trait and astrology i think yes astrology could guide us to lift ourself from genetic code to freedom and path will be man know thyself. i could predict for certainity we all going to die and no one ever go to astrologer find accurate timing of this wonderful event why becuse we love to keep on crying and best place to cry is this planet once we leave this planet smiling only than we can assume the man has blissful life and in bliss ful state there after. should we not believe in anything till we know it. pray to all 9 planet there harmony out there keep peace on this earth in all direction . rajinder --- Ramapriya D <hubli wrote: > Don't put your Taurus where your Scorpio is, mate. > It's all I can say. > > Ramapriya > > - > "Rajinder Nath" <jinderman > <vedic astrology> > Cc: <satyaprakasika > Saturday, September 28, 2002 8:11 AM > [vedic astrology] bhu mritu yoga > > > > > > > > dear learned member, > > i am not against or in favour of astrology i think > > only calculative part indicate pattren of thought > > of native but no one for sure predict the future > > timeing of event in ones life 100%so if one go to > > astrologer get all feed into fear and nagativety > does > > astrologer play any role in to making a person > worse > > or not.tomorrow remain uncertain for ever. > > > > > > is it true where a predictive astrology fail some > > yoga take place and so many have different chart > > and during pralaye all vanish for some reason or > > other. > > so basic truth is even our curiosity make us to > look > > into > > future tru astrology still it did not change much > of > > the outcome we have to go tru what is in our lot. > > of course as any system there has to be some > motive > > to start a system some wise would have wise motive > and > > > > greedy will have a srong will to use less strong > will > > people and they might even take the shelter of > wise > > system look what happen to religion teach us to > love > > each other. > > just like medicine work so is suuggestion that a > > famous doctor gave you best prescription and might > > work on > > your week mind and fix the symptom. > > so the point is if you go to astrologer any good > and > > bad advice could play part on your being and may > be > > sage has looked into tendancy indicated by some > > combination of planet on one chart into there > thougt > > pattern. > > also they said each individull g has a spexcial > role > > on this earthn to play and we all could find > salvation > > if we had faith in ourselves first. > > sometime ago i looked a instrument in a ship made > out > > of spexcial metal it is used in old ship as a > > instrument for communication and when sun shines > on it > > > > a point is made like stalite bouncing light back > at > > that point it will make heat so strong even stiill > > will melt i forget name of the instrument . > > so it is posible if sun light refelect on our > > personenl chart like differwent degree of othe o > > planet so onm we get burned by thoses same aspect > . > > point i want to make is waht ever is wriiten or > done > > is > > myth as sage say life is dream and why we want to > know > > what will be in our dream let it come as it > please. > > there was a beutiful poem by kabir sent by one of > > reader peteR richard > > moksa neti neti > > .awareness alone will overcome illusion > > rajinder > > `` > > > > > > > > > > > > New DSL Internet Access from SBC & > > http://sbc. > > > > > > Archives: > vedic astrology > > > > Group info: > vedic astrology/info.html > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > vedic astrology- > > > > ....... 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