Guest guest Posted September 28, 2002 Report Share Posted September 28, 2002 Respected Mr. Choudhary, Thank you very much for your post on the above-mentioned subject. There is however a small clarification that I require: According to Atharvana Jyotisha, Chapter 7, Verse 21, "In the matter of their potency for bestowing benefits for rituals performed during their currency, the tithi ranks one-fold, the nakshatra four-fold, the Vaara eight-fold and the karana sixteen fold." We find here that the Yoga is not given any weightage. Also in books on Muhurata, we find that the yaga is hardly ever given any consideration. But in your post, the yoga is given the maximum weightage of 32 points. May I know the rationale behind this ? A couple of years ago there was a very good article in the Martand Panchanga ( a very popular Panchanga in North India ), entitled " Kya Panchang Vaastav mein Panchanga hai ?" Here too, the author questioned the relevance of the yoga as it was hardly ever used in the practice of selecting a good Muhurata. Your views, as well as those of the Gurus will be enlightening. Deepak Nair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2002 Report Share Posted September 29, 2002 Aum Namah Shivaya Dear Mr.Deepak, I will answer your question as briefly as possible, as I am in a hurry since it is Monday morning. You raised a very interesting question by quoting the Hindi article. Why then do we call it 'PANCHA'nga if we are to use only four limbs? As opposed to what you say, every standard text discusses Yoga as an important limb of the Panchanga. Kalaprakasika? Narada Samhita? Phalita Navaratna Samgraha? Muhurta Chintamani? Muhurta Ganapati? All these texts discuss Yoga as an integral part of Muhurta. The Kalaprakasika clearly says, " He who makes a study of the Panchangam-the tithi, the varam, the nakshatra, the yoga, the karana, of every day becomes free from all sins. Knowledge of tithi brings prosperity, knowledge of varam provides long life, knowledge of nakshatra causes the destruction of sins, knowledge of yoga gives immunity from disease; knowledge of karana leads to success in all endeavors. Thus Panchangam (the five angas or limbs) bestows five kinds of blessings". Take the Narada Samhita now. After discussing the basics in the first three chapters, the next five chapters are devoted to the five limbs respectively. In fact the chapters are even referred to as: 4th chapter: 'Tithi'lakshanadhaya 5th chapter: 'Vara'lakshanadhyaya 6th chapter: 'Nakshatra'phaladhyaya 7th chapter: 'Yoga'adhyaya 8th chapter: 'Karana'dhyaya It is true that some texts discuss Yoga in just a few verses as compared to Nakshatra or Tithi. But Karana generally gets even less space compared to Yoga. Space is not a criteria then, since the article quoted by you doesn't seem to question karana. Most texts (such as Muhurta Chintamani, Kalaprakasika etc)include the nine malefic naisargika yogas in the list of 21 evils or doshas to be avoided, while the remaining texts (such as Muhurta Sindhu, Poorva Kalamrtam etc) deal with the two most malefic Yogas. Even a text like Poorvakalamrtam which hardly deals with Karana, Yoga etc, specifically refers to Vyatipata and Vaidhriti yogas as MAHA Doshas (maha:Great; dosha:that which spoils or darkens)to be avoided. I could list the many references to Yoga in the standard texts. But since your question pertains to yoga as an **integral limb of the Panchanga, the treatment of the five limbs in five seperate chapters named after the very limb (anga) as done by Narada Samhita, is the best proof that I can give you, apart from Kalaprakasika's assurance of the five kinds of blessings arising from a study of the five limbs. And now to your doubt as to the rationale of assigning 32 points to Yoga and the verse from Atharvana Jyotisa that you quoted. The points as allotted in my post is nothing but a verbatim application of what is given in the 'Phalita Navaratna Samgraha', not my opinion. And there is no contradiction between the two texts, as it may appear in the first look.If you observe closely, the number of points allotted to Tithi, Vara, Nakshatra and Karana are still the same in my post, as in Atharvana Jyotisa. Additionally Yoga, Chandra balam and Tarabalam are also dealt with. To illustrate it better, take Vimpsopaka strengths for instance. The points allotted to various vargas varies in each scheme, depending on whether you are using Shadvargas or Dasavargas or Shodasavargas. The rasi which gets maximum weightage in Shadvarga scheme, occupies second place, the moment Shastyamsa is considered, as in Shodasavargas. Likewise when Yoga, Tarabala and Chandrabala are also considered, more weightage is given to them. In a general treatment of the limbs with no reference to a *SPECIFIC chart, Karana may get more marks. But when an individual chart is considered, TARABALA becomes the most important. What is the use if the tithi, vara and Nakshatra are generally good, but the Nakshatra is a Vipat, Pratyak or Naidhana tara with **reference to one's janma nakshatra? The weightage given to various factors keeps changing with the level of information and precision available. In a general sense, Karana is very important. But TARABALA is more important in an INDIVIDUAL chart. This is the rationale behind texts like 'Phalitanavaratna Samgraha'. At the same time they do not contradict Atharvana Jyotisa or any other text. Moreover, even if one chooses a suitable nakshatra for an activity (not considering tarabala for a moment), if the yoga is malefic, it can mar the effects. So Yoga gets prominence. As the Kalaprakasika states, "The YOGA of the Nakshatra of the day chosen for the activity should be beneficial; if so, the result will be satisfactory". Thus a malefic Yoga can mar the effects of a nakshatra. That is why in Kalaprakasika, knowledge of Yoga is said to give immunity from disease, probably in a symbolic way. Just as sickness can reduce or at times mar one's chances of succeeding, Mahadoshas like Vaidhriti or Vyatipata can mar a muhurta. Any of the nine malefic nitya yogas can spoil the muhurta. Thus in *FULLFLEDGED work in fixing a muhurta, by virtue of **TARA BALA, the NAKSHATRA EMERGES as the most important, among all the five limbs, not Tithi, or Vara or Karana or Yoga. When a person does not know his birth details, nor much about the other limbs of the panchanga, then Vara or Weekday is considered. So whether they have their charts or not, even illiterate villagers avoid Tuesdays and Saturdays generally for any activity. But an astrologer may choose a Tuesday for a Kroora and Ugra activity , after a close study of the chart and the Panchanga, since Tuesday has an Ugra-Krura (Aggressive- Cruel) quality to it. So Tuesdays are considered for activities like 'roga mukta snana' (taking bath after recovering from illness), cultivation of land, acts involving killing of birds/animals etc (not that I approve such activities!). But this doesn't contradict the general verses that state that tuesdays are inauspicious, since the texts state elsewhere that tuesdays may be considered for *some activities. So quoting one verse and trying to justify a view that no standard text on muhurta supports is highly misleading. As for the original question whether Yoga is to be used as an integral part of the Panchanga- it has been used and SHOULD be used as an important limb of the Panchanga, as it was meant to be. Any attempt to distort this fact cannot be justified, as the standard texts unambigiously declare Yoga not only as an integral limb of the Panchangam, but also as a very important consideration, since it can spoil the effects of an otherwise carefully chosen muhurta. Hope this clarifies your doubts. An interesting question though! Regards, Satya Please refer to me by name without any adjectives like 'respected'. I am just one of you. vedic astrology, "deepak nair" <superdeep@g...> wrote: > Respected Mr. Choudhary, > > Thank you very much for your post on the above-mentioned subject. There is however a small clarification that I require: > > According to Atharvana Jyotisha, Chapter 7, Verse 21, > > "In the matter of their potency for bestowing benefits for rituals performed during their currency, the tithi ranks one-fold, the nakshatra four-fold, the Vaara eight-fold and the karana sixteen fold." > > We find here that the Yoga is not given any weightage. Also in books on Muhurata, we find that the yaga is hardly ever given any consideration. But in your post, the yoga is given the maximum weightage of 32 points. May I know the rationale behind this ? > > A couple of years ago there was a very good article in the Martand Panchanga ( a very popular Panchanga in North India ), entitled " Kya Panchang Vaastav mein Panchanga hai ?" Here too, the author questioned the relevance of the yoga as it was hardly ever used in the practice of selecting a good Muhurata. > > Your views, as well as those of the Gurus will be enlightening. > > Deepak Nair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2002 Report Share Posted October 1, 2002 Dear Dr. Choudhary, Thank you very much. I stand corrected - and enlightened. Deepak N - Dr Satya Prakash Choudhary vedic astrology Monday, September 30, 2002 5:31 AM [vedic astrology] Re: Fixing a Muhurata Aum Namah ShivayaDear Mr.Deepak,I will answer your question as briefly as possible, as I am in a hurry since it is Monday morning. You raised a very interesting question by quoting the Hindi article. Why then do we call it 'PANCHA'nga if we are to use only four limbs? As opposed to what you say, every standard text discusses Yoga as an important limb of the Panchanga. Kalaprakasika? Narada Samhita? Phalita Navaratna Samgraha? Muhurta Chintamani? Muhurta Ganapati? All these texts discuss Yoga as an integral part of Muhurta. The Kalaprakasika clearly says, " He who makes a study of the Panchangam-the tithi, the varam, the nakshatra, the yoga, the karana, of every day becomes free from all sins. Knowledge of tithi brings prosperity, knowledge of varam provides long life, knowledge of nakshatra causes the destruction of sins, knowledge of yoga gives immunity from disease; knowledge of karana leads to success in all endeavors. Thus Panchangam (the five angas or limbs) bestows five kinds of blessings". Take the Narada Samhita now. After discussing the basics in the first three chapters, the next five chapters are devoted to the five limbs respectively. In fact the chapters are even referred to as:4th chapter: 'Tithi'lakshanadhaya5th chapter: 'Vara'lakshanadhyaya6th chapter: 'Nakshatra'phaladhyaya7th chapter: 'Yoga'adhyaya8th chapter: 'Karana'dhyayaIt is true that some texts discuss Yoga in just a few verses as compared to Nakshatra or Tithi. But Karana generally gets even less space compared to Yoga. Space is not a criteria then, since the article quoted by you doesn't seem to question karana. Most texts (such as Muhurta Chintamani, Kalaprakasika etc)include the nine malefic naisargika yogas in the list of 21 evils or doshas to be avoided, while the remaining texts (such as Muhurta Sindhu, Poorva Kalamrtam etc) deal with the two most malefic Yogas. Even a text like Poorvakalamrtam which hardly deals with Karana, Yoga etc, specifically refers to Vyatipata and Vaidhriti yogas as MAHA Doshas (maha:Great; dosha:that which spoils or darkens)to be avoided. I could list the many references to Yoga in the standard texts. But since your question pertains to yoga as an **integral limb of the Panchanga, the treatment of the five limbs in five seperate chapters named after the very limb (anga) as done by Narada Samhita, is the best proof that I can give you, apart from Kalaprakasika's assurance of the five kinds of blessings arising from a study of the five limbs.And now to your doubt as to the rationale of assigning 32 points to Yoga and the verse from Atharvana Jyotisa that you quoted. The points as allotted in my post is nothing but a verbatim application of what is given in the 'Phalita Navaratna Samgraha', not my opinion. And there is no contradiction between the two texts, as it may appear in the first look.If you observe closely, the number of points allotted to Tithi, Vara, Nakshatra and Karana are still the same in my post, as in Atharvana Jyotisa. Additionally Yoga, Chandra balam and Tarabalam are also dealt with. To illustrate it better, take Vimpsopaka strengths for instance. The points allotted to various vargas varies in each scheme, depending on whether you are using Shadvargas or Dasavargas or Shodasavargas. The rasi which gets maximum weightage in Shadvarga scheme, occupies second place, the moment Shastyamsa is considered, as in Shodasavargas. Likewise when Yoga, Tarabala and Chandrabala are also considered, more weightage is given to them. In a general treatment of the limbs with no reference to a *SPECIFIC chart, Karana may get more marks. But when an individual chart is considered, TARABALA becomes the most important. What is the use if the tithi, vara and Nakshatra are generally good, but the Nakshatra is a Vipat, Pratyak or Naidhana tara with **reference to one's janma nakshatra? The weightage given to various factors keeps changing with the level of information and precision available. In a general sense, Karana is very important. But TARABALA is more important in an INDIVIDUAL chart. This is the rationale behind texts like 'Phalitanavaratna Samgraha'. At the same time they do not contradict Atharvana Jyotisa or any other text. Moreover, even if one chooses a suitable nakshatra for an activity (not considering tarabala for a moment), if the yoga is malefic, it can mar the effects. So Yoga gets prominence. As the Kalaprakasika states, "The YOGA of the Nakshatra of the day chosen for the activity should be beneficial; if so, the result will be satisfactory". Thus a malefic Yoga can mar the effects of a nakshatra. That is why in Kalaprakasika, knowledge of Yoga is said to give immunity from disease, probably in a symbolic way. Just as sickness can reduce or at times mar one's chances of succeeding, Mahadoshas like Vaidhriti or Vyatipata can mar a muhurta. Any of the nine malefic nitya yogas can spoil the muhurta. Thus in *FULLFLEDGED work in fixing a muhurta, by virtue of **TARA BALA, the NAKSHATRA EMERGES as the most important, among all the five limbs, not Tithi, or Vara or Karana or Yoga. When a person does not know his birth details, nor much about the other limbs of the panchanga, then Vara or Weekday is considered. So whether they have their charts or not, even illiterate villagers avoid Tuesdays and Saturdays generally for any activity. But an astrologer may choose a Tuesday for a Kroora and Ugra activity , after a close study of the chart and the Panchanga, since Tuesday has an Ugra-Krura (Aggressive-Cruel) quality to it. So Tuesdays are considered for activities like 'roga mukta snana' (taking bath after recovering from illness), cultivation of land, acts involving killing of birds/animals etc (not that I approve such activities!). But this doesn't contradict the general verses that state that tuesdays are inauspicious, since the texts state elsewhere that tuesdays may be considered for *some activities. So quoting one verse and trying to justify a view that no standard text on muhurta supports is highly misleading. As for the original question whether Yoga is to be used as an integral part of the Panchanga- it has been used and SHOULD be used as an important limb of the Panchanga, as it was meant to be. Any attempt to distort this fact cannot be justified, as the standard texts unambigiously declare Yoga not only as an integral limb of the Panchangam, but also as a very important consideration, since it can spoil the effects of an otherwise carefully chosen muhurta.Hope this clarifies your doubts. An interesting question though!Regards,SatyaPlease refer to me by name without any adjectives like 'respected'. I am just one of you. vedic astrology, "deepak nair" <superdeep@g...> wrote:> Respected Mr. Choudhary,> > Thank you very much for your post on the above-mentioned subject. There is however a small clarification that I require:> > According to Atharvana Jyotisha, Chapter 7, Verse 21,> > "In the matter of their potency for bestowing benefits for rituals performed during their currency, the tithi ranks one-fold, the nakshatra four-fold, the Vaara eight-fold and the karana sixteen fold."> > We find here that the Yoga is not given any weightage. Also in books on Muhurata, we find that the yaga is hardly ever given any consideration. But in your post, the yoga is given the maximum weightage of 32 points. May I know the rationale behind this ?> > A couple of years ago there was a very good article in the Martand Panchanga ( a very popular Panchanga in North India ), entitled " Kya Panchang Vaastav mein Panchanga hai ?" Here too, the author questioned the relevance of the yoga as it was hardly ever used in the practice of selecting a good Muhurata.> > Your views, as well as those of the Gurus will be enlightening.> > Deepak Nair.------------------------ Sponsor ---------------------~-->Home Selling? Try Us!http://us.click./QrPZMC/iTmEAA/MVfIAA/.8XolB/TM---~->Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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